Israel

[Satchel 6925]

I could be wrong, but I think Bibi, in the run up to our election, is trying to exact as much violence, death and destruction in Gaza so as to stoke Arab anger in swing states against Kamala. It’s at least part of his larger political calculation.

[Brian Fantana 6677]

4 hours ago, Satchel said:

I could be wrong, but I think Bibi, in the run up to our election, is trying to exact as much violence, death and destruction in Gaza so as to stoke Arab anger in swing states against Kamala. It’s at least part of his larger political calculation.

This is exactly what he's doing, they're not even being transparent about it. He's been meeting with Trump.

[C-Man 27183]

This is exactly what he's doing, they're not even being transparent about it. He's been meeting with Trump.

Yup

[Anastasis 23454]

IDF is effectively using the distractions of the ongoing American political theatre. American media won’t muster even the superficial coverage that some of the recent days would typically generate cause they are too busy focusing on a roast comedian and whatever uncle Joe is rolling out from the basement. 

[RomaVicta 29893]

How dare you question the competence of America's TV journalists!

[Brian Fantana 6677]

Posting this as I haven't seen anyone talk about it yet, happened a couple of days ago:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-s-abby-phillip-ejects-guest-mid-show-over-ugly-comment-directed-at-mehdi-hasan-that-is-not-going-to-happen-here/ar-AA1t6zbD

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CNN’s Abby Phillip Ejects Guest Mid-Show Over Ugly Comment Directed at Mehdi Hasan: ‘That Is Not Going to Happen Here’

I find this incredibly amusing because his rhetoric is basically indistinguishable from some posters on this site and I could pull up a whole lot of receipts in this thread alone from posters that are otherwise progressive/good posters that made posts that sound exactly like this guy. Classic Zionist NPC talking points, if you speak up in defense of Palestinians you're Hamas and you should die. Rinse, repeat.

Edited October 30 by Brian Fantana

[chainsaw 9850]

Just now, Brian Fantana said:

Posting this as I haven't seen anyone talk about it yet, happened a couple of days ago:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cnn-s-abby-phillip-ejects-guest-mid-show-over-ugly-comment-directed-at-mehdi-hasan-that-is-not-going-to-happen-here/ar-AA1t6zbD

I find this incredibly amusing because his rhetoric is basically indistinguishable from some posters on this site and I could pull up a whole lot of receipts in this thread alone from posters that are otherwise progressive/good posters. Classic Zionist NPC talking points, if you speak up in defense of Palestinians you're Hamas and you should die. Rinse, repeat.

They're nervous about how badly they're losing the hearts and minds of regular people. Once people realize there's no upside or moral high ground to defending Israel, they never look back. All they've got are frivolous antisemitism allegations, but that tactic has stopped working and they're saltier than Florida State about it.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33859]

I didn't watch any of Kamala's recent addresses as I voted for her as quickly as feasible - did she mention this issue directly in any of those?

[Foosters 17820]

On 10/25/2024 at 6:48 PM, HellesBier said:

I can look at Ukraine and look at the democrats and not think everything is black and white. Why is that so hard for you. Republicans have been after the Russians since the 50s. I understand that is very hard for you to understand and I appreciate the insult brother, it says a lot about you.

Since you have a better understanding of the situation, please explain how a Trump presidency will be good for Ukraine. 

[chainsaw 9850]

5 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I didn't watch any of Kamala's recent addresses as I voted for her as quickly as feasible - did she mention this issue directly in any of those?

As far as I know she's been tactically avoiding bringing it up, and when it does come up, she has a canned response that sucks. They gamed this out long ago and made a clear choice to avoid the issue as much as humanly possible.

[Anastasis 23454]

On 10/30/2024 at 10:56 AM, Brian Fantana said:

Posting this as I haven't seen anyone talk about it yet, happened a couple of days ago:

I find this incredibly amusing because his rhetoric is basically indistinguishable from some posters on this site

It was talked about in real time in the election thread. Same observation was made over there. You're gonna have to find a way to frame it in a tweet and in a way where there is a trump surrogate involved to evoke a reaction here. 

[Brian Fantana 6677]

Using AI generated images to spread lies? Not Ben Shapiro, no way.

[956 Worldwide 34695]

That photo is almost certainly real. And you’re sharing a claim that was first made by Jackson Hinkle.  Great job with your bullshit detection skills! You’re doing so good! 
 

https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-ai-fakes-in-israels-war-against-hamas/a-67367744

 

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That is precisely what happened in the following case: an image allegedly showing the charred corpse of an Israeli baby was shared on X by Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the conservative US commentator Ben Shapiro, among others. 

The controversial anti-Israeli influencer Jackson Hinkle then claimed that the image had been created using artificial intelligence. 

Anti-Israel agitator Jackson Hinkle presents alleged proof on X that the photo is an AI fake

As alleged proof, Hinkle attached a screenshot of the AI detector "AI or not" to his post, which classified the image as AI-generated. 

Hinkle's claim on X was viewed more than 20 million times and led to heated discussions on the platform. 

In the end, many stated that the image was, in all likelihood, genuine and that Hinkle was, therefore, wrong. Farid also told DW that he could not find any discrepancies in the picture that would indicate an AI fake.

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34695]

That photo is almost certainly real. And you’re sharing a claim that was first made by Jackson Hinkle.  Great job with your bullshit detection skills! You’re doing so good! 
 

https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-ai-fakes-in-israels-war-against-hamas/a-67367744

 

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That is precisely what happened in the following case: an image allegedly showing the charred corpse of an Israeli baby was shared on X by Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the conservative US commentator Ben Shapiro, among others. 

The controversial anti-Israeli influencer Jackson Hinkle then claimed that the image had been created using artificial intelligence. 

Anti-Israel agitator Jackson Hinkle presents alleged proof on X that the photo is an AI fake

As alleged proof, Hinkle attached a screenshot of the AI detector "AI or not" to his post, which classified the image as AI-generated. 

Hinkle's claim on X was viewed more than 20 million times and led to heated discussions on the platform. 

In the end, many stated that the image was, in all likelihood, genuine and that Hinkle was, therefore, wrong. Farid also told DW that he could not find any discrepancies in the picture that would indicate an AI fake.

 

The dude you are quoting is a full-blown groyper 9/11 conspiracy theorist and you saw his tweet confirmed your bias and you ran here to post it.  Your brain is getting cooked with this stuff, did you even bother to look at “Chris Brunet’s” feed? 

Here he is arguing that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition: 

https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/essay-entry-world-trade-center-building

[Brian Fantana 6677]

8 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That photo is almost certainly real. And you’re sharing a claim that was first made by Jackson Hinkle.  Great job with your bullshit detection skills! You’re doing so good! 
 

https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-ai-fakes-in-israels-war-against-hamas/a-67367744

 

 

Thanks for posting, I had no idea that was propagated by the weird MAGA communist guy and was only going off the community note under Ben's post. That's what I get for just automatically assuming everything he posts is bullshit and not bothering to look into it further I guess.

[bolverk 29644]

A scandal is going down in Israel regarding the release of some documents about Hamas and the hostages.

Case of Document Leaks Roils Israel
An individual with connections to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office is being investigated. Here’s what to know about how the furor began and what might happen next.

The Israeli authorities are investigating a civilian who has been working over the past year in the office of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and is suspected of illegally obtaining and leaking classified documents to the news media.

The documents helped support Mr. Netanyahu’s reasoning for adding tough new conditions for a cease-fire deal with Hamas over the summer, amid intense public pressure for a deal to release Israeli hostages and end the fighting in Gaza.

The case has roiled Israel, where critics have accused Mr. Netanyahu of torpedoing a deal to return hostages and of prolonging the war in Gaza for political reasons. Key members of his governing coalition had threatened to quit if he made concessions to Hamas.

On Sunday, an Israeli court partially lifted a gag order to identify Eliezer Feldstein, who was hired last year to work as a spokesman in Mr. Netanyahu’s office, as a suspect in the case. Three other suspects in the case are members of the military and security establishment, according to the court, and have not been publicly named.

The investigation has revolved around the publication and manipulation of real and purported intelligence information in media outlets abroad, according to Israeli news reports and to an Israeli official who was not authorized to discuss sensitive information, including the case. The London-based Jewish Chronicle published — and then retracted — a report claiming Hamas was planning to smuggle Israeli hostages from Gaza to Egypt. A classified document that was leaked to the German newspaper Bild claimed that Hamas was trying to manipulate the Israeli public and wanted to draw out the negotiations.

How did this all get started?
On Sept. 1, the Israeli military announced that six Israeli hostages had been found dead in a tunnel in Gaza after being fatally shot by their captors, prompting a surge of mass protests and a wave of national anger and grief.

About 100 people taken captive by Hamas on Oct. 7, 2023, remain in Gaza. At least a third of them have been declared dead by the Israeli authorities.

On Sept. 2, in a televised news conference, Mr. Netanyahu presented his arguments for a new condition for a cease-fire deal with Hamas: Israel must maintain a permanent presence in the Philadelphi Corridor, a strip of land along Gaza’s border with Egypt. Without that presence, Mr. Netanyahu said, Hamas could smuggle hostages across the border into Egypt’s Sinai Desert, and from there to Iran or Yemen, where he said they could disappear forever.

He also displayed a handwritten document in Arabic that he said was the work of high-ranking Hamas members, which he said had been found in January by Israeli soldiers in an underground command post in Gaza.

The document contained instructions for increasing the psychological pressure on Israel by issuing videos and images of hostages and casting doubt on the Israeli government’s narrative that its ground operation in Gaza would help release the hostages. Mr. Netanyahu said it showed Hamas’s strategy of sowing internal discord in Israel and suggested that the popular protests against his government played into Hamas’s hands.

When did the leaks happen?
On Sept. 5, soon after Mr. Netanyahu’s news conference, The Jewish Chronicle, a British community newspaper, published a report by a freelance journalist. The journalist, Elon Perry, claimed he had obtained Israeli intelligence showing that the Hamas leader, Yahya Sinwar, was preparing to flee Gaza, via the Philadelphi Corridor, to Iran, and to take Israeli hostages with him.

The report cited intelligence gleaned from a senior Hamas official who was interrogated by Israel and from documents seized on the day the bodies of the six hostages were recovered.

Asked about the report in The Jewish Chronicle, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari, the Israeli military’s chief spokesman, said that he was unaware of any such intelligence or plan by Mr. Sinwar.

The Jewish Chronicle later removed that story and others written by Mr. Perry from its website and ended its association with him. The incident cast a cloud on The Chronicle, a 180-year-old newspaper whose ownership has been shrouded in mystery.

On Sept. 6, a day after The Jewish Chronicle article ran, Bild published an article it said was based on a Hamas document laying out its plan for psychological warfare against Israel on the hostage issue, claiming that Hamas was in no rush to reach a deal or end the war. Some of the messaging was similar to points Mr. Netanyahu made in his news conference.

The Israeli military issued a statement on Monday saying it appeared that the document cited in the Bild article was found about five months ago and was “written as a recommendation by middle ranks in Hamas, and not by Sinwar,” as the Bild headline may have suggested. The document contained information similar to that found in earlier documents, the military said, adding, “The leaking of the document constitutes a serious violation.”

Critics say the exposure of the purported intelligence appeared to be part of a disinformation campaign by Mr. Netanyahu or by his supporters, intended to dampen the campaign for the hostages’ release and influence Israeli public opinion in favor of the prime minister’s negotiating positions.

Was Netanyahu involved?
Mr. Netanyahu has not been questioned about the allegations and his office has denied leaking information. Many details of the case remain murky because of the gag order.

In one of its first statements about the affair, Mr. Netanyahu’s office said on Friday that nobody from his office had been questioned or detained. On Saturday, the prime minister’s office offered a different version, saying that the suspect in question — later revealed to be Mr. Feldstein — had never participated in security discussions and had not seen or received classified information.

Mr. Netanyahu’s office also accused the authorities of carrying out a selective investigation, arguing that numerous reports based on leaked information had been published during the war without any consequences. It described the investigation as “aggressive and biased.”

How has the public reacted?
Israel has been in uproar over the revelations that seeped out during the weekend. Prof. Hagai Levine, an Israeli public health expert who is active in the campaign to bring the hostages home, wrote in a social media post on Sunday that “the hostages scam of Netanyahu’s office appears to be more serious than the Watergate affair that led to the resignation of President Nixon.” He described the allegations as a “combination of the abandonment of the abductees, breach of trust and the undermining of state security.”

What are the latest developments?
In the first official acknowledgment of the suspected security breach, a magistrate’s court in central Israel on Friday partially lifted the gag order on the case.

The court ruling stated that several people had been detained as part of a joint investigation by the Shin Bet domestic intelligence agency, the Israeli police and the military.

The judge, Menahem Mizrahi, said they were suspected of “a security breach due to the illegal transfer of classified information,” as well as putting sensitive information and sources at risk, and harming the chances of achieving the war’s objectives in Gaza.

In a subsequent ruling on Sunday allowing the publication of Mr. Feldstein’s name, the judge specified that the war objective he was referring to was the return of the hostages.

[Brian Fantana 6677]

2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The dude you are quoting is a full-blown groyper 9/11 conspiracy theorist and you saw his tweet confirmed your bias and you ran here to post it.  Your brain is getting cooked with this stuff, did you even bother to look at “Chris Brunet’s” feed? 

Ok, now that I'm actually home...

First off, no I did not and that was a big mistake on my part and I will absolutely own it. I have pretty carefully curated by Twitter feed to filter out as many chud accounts as possible, but sometimes shit slips through and I don't see it, especially if I have no idea who the person is. Anyway, when I saw it, I immediately went and found Ben's actual tweet and read the community note and assumed it was accurate as the post has now been there for over a year I guess. My only meager excuse is I was on an airplane when I posted that and should have waited to do my due diligence before I posted anything.

Unfortunately, sometimes we all make mistakes. Similar to how you repeatedly conflated Israel and its interests with the worldwide Jewish community and its interests in the aftermath of Oct 7, apologized for it, and then repeated that process over and over again until you finally realized how laughably (and unintentionally) antisemitic you were being and stopped. Or you got bored, I can't really tell.

Or when you proudly pantsed yourself by throwing your full-chested support behind Elise motherfucking Stefanik's bullshit kangaroo court because you really really just wanted those pesky college teenagers to shut the fuck up or something.

Or when you repeatedly claimed that posting about Israel's intelligence failures and Netanyahu's seemingly deliberate inaction prior to Oct. 7th was nothing more than an antisemitic conspiracy theory, only to have the two largest Israeli media outlets come out later and say the exact same fucking thing. You got real quiet about that one real quick, I can't imagine why.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. It's awesome that you always have infinite energy to shit on me when I make a mistake, yet you never ever have any smoke at all for posters like prong, who has happily posted weird, Islamophobic, anti-Palestinian garbage from every goddamn groyper-adjacent freak Twitter account in existence for over a year.

But hey, at least you got some internet points today. Good job!

We could be talking about the latest ceasefire proposal (put forth by Egypt) being rejected by Hamas or how Israel is not just failing to improve the stream of aid into Gaza but is actively making it worse (despite the 30-day deadline given by the US), but nope we gotta do this I guess.

[PRONG HORN 3130]

3 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

uld go on, but I think I've made my point. It's awesome that you always have infinite energy to shit on me when I make a mistake, yet you never ever have any smoke at all for posters like prong, who has happily posted weird, Islamophobic, anti-Palestinian garbage from every goddamn groyper-adjacent freak Twitter account in existence for over a year.

 

 

Hi guys.

 

 

 

 

[956 Worldwide 34695]

14 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ok, now that I'm actually home...

First off, no I did not and that was a big mistake on my part and I will absolutely own it. I have pretty carefully curated by Twitter feed to filter out as many chud accounts as possible, but sometimes shit slips through and I don't see it, especially if I have no idea who the person is. Anyway, when I saw it, I immediately went and found Ben's actual tweet and read the community note and assumed it was accurate as the post has now been there for over a year I guess. My only meager excuse is I was on an airplane when I posted that and should have waited to do my due diligence before I posted anything.

Unfortunately, sometimes we all make mistakes. Similar to how you repeatedly conflated Israel and its interests with the worldwide Jewish community and its interests in the aftermath of Oct 7, apologized for it, and then repeated that process over and over again until you finally realized how laughably (and unintentionally) antisemitic you were being and stopped. Or you got bored, I can't really tell.

Or when you proudly pantsed yourself by throwing your full-chested support behind Elise motherfucking Stefanik's bullshit kangaroo court because you really really just wanted those pesky college teenagers to shut the fuck up or something.

Or when you repeatedly claimed that posting about Israel's intelligence failures and Netanyahu's seemingly deliberate inaction prior to Oct. 7th was nothing more than an antisemitic conspiracy theory, only to have the two largest Israeli media outlets come out later and say the exact same fucking thing. You got real quiet about that one real quick, I can't imagine why.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. It's awesome that you always have infinite energy to shit on me when I make a mistake, yet you never ever have any smoke at all for posters like prong, who has happily posted weird, Islamophobic, anti-Palestinian garbage from every goddamn groyper-adjacent freak Twitter account in existence for over a year.

But hey, at least you got some internet points today. Good job!

We could be talking about the latest ceasefire proposal (put forth by Egypt) being rejected by Hamas or how Israel is not just failing to improve the stream of aid into Gaza but is actively making it worse (despite the 30-day deadline given by the US), but nope we gotta do this I guess.

You came here and posted low-effort rage bait from a groyper and are whining that the discourse isn’t up to your level. 
 

[Brian Fantana 6677]

10 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You came here and posted low-effort rage bait from a groyper and are whining that the discourse isn’t up to your level. 
 

Nah, I'm just pointing out everyone makes mistakes. Sorry you don't enjoy yours being pointed out.

[Brian Fantana 6677]

16 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Ok, now that I'm actually home...

First off, no I did not and that was a big mistake on my part and I will absolutely own it. I have pretty carefully curated by Twitter feed to filter out as many chud accounts as possible, but sometimes shit slips through and I don't see it, especially if I have no idea who the person is. Anyway, when I saw it, I immediately went and found Ben's actual tweet and read the community note and assumed it was accurate as the post has now been there for over a year I guess. My only meager excuse is I was on an airplane when I posted that and should have waited to do my due diligence before I posted anything.

Unfortunately, sometimes we all make mistakes. Similar to how you repeatedly conflated Israel and its interests with the worldwide Jewish community and its interests in the aftermath of Oct 7, apologized for it, and then repeated that process over and over again until you finally realized how laughably (and unintentionally) antisemitic you were being and stopped. Or you got bored, I can't really tell.

Or when you proudly pantsed yourself by throwing your full-chested support behind Elise motherfucking Stefanik's bullshit kangaroo court because you really really just wanted those pesky college teenagers to shut the fuck up or something.

Or when you repeatedly claimed that posting about Israel's intelligence failures and Netanyahu's seemingly deliberate inaction prior to Oct. 7th was nothing more than an antisemitic conspiracy theory, only to have the two largest Israeli media outlets come out later and say the exact same fucking thing. You got real quiet about that one real quick, I can't imagine why.

I could go on, but I think I've made my point. It's awesome that you always have infinite energy to shit on me when I make a mistake, yet you never ever have any smoke at all for posters like prong, who has happily posted weird, Islamophobic, anti-Palestinian garbage from every goddamn groyper-adjacent freak Twitter account in existence for over a year.

But hey, at least you got some internet points today. Good job!

We could be talking about the latest ceasefire proposal (put forth by Egypt) being rejected by Hamas or how Israel is not just failing to improve the stream of aid into Gaza but is actively making it worse (despite the 30-day deadline given by the US), but nope we gotta do this I guess.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-05/ty-article/.premium/israel-police-anti-corruption-unit-investigating-events-from-the-start-of-the-war/00000192-fce0-d2aa-adff-feef15080000

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The investigation has been ongoing for about six months, following a request by a former senior official in the Prime Minister's Office. A few months ago, Yedioth Ahronoth reported that Netanyahu's former military secretary had warned the Attorney General that officials in the PMO had attempted to 'tamper' with protocols of cabinet meetings held during the war

 

[DDD Dad 14323]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Nah, I'm just pointing out everyone makes mistakes. Sorry you don't enjoy yours being pointed out.

You know, if you had stopped after simply apologizing for having been misled your post might have gone over better.

Just a little bit of constructive criticism.  

[Brian Fantana 6677]

42 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

You know, if you had stopped after simply apologizing for having been misled your post might have gone over better.

Just a little bit of constructive criticism.  

Yeah I guess I'm the only one in this thread that should be held accountable for their mistakes, you're right.

[Brian Fantana 6677]

In other actual news that doesn't involve petty, interpersonal Surly conflicts:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-november-5-2024/

Netanyahu fires Gallant, says no trust with defense minister at time of war

Tens of thousands of people took to the streets last time he tried to do this, shit is about to hit the fan. Seems that Bibi is going to try and purge any remaining dissenters in the Israeli government now that investigations into his office are ramping up. Probably not a coincidence that he did this on Election Day, either.

[DDD Dad 14323]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I guess I'm the only one in this thread that should be held accountable for their mistakes, you're right.

I was not trying to hold anyone accountable for anything.  I simply was offering you a suggestion on how to avoid "petty, interpersonal Surly conflicts."  Feel free to ignore.

Edited November 5 by DDD Dad

[RomaVicta 29893]

On 11/3/2024 at 6:49 PM, Brian Fantana said:

Using AI generated images to spread lies? Not Ben Shapiro, no way.

 

21 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That photo is almost certainly real. And you’re sharing a claim that was first made by Jackson Hinkle.  Great job with your bullshit detection skills! You’re doing so good! 
 

https://amp.dw.com/en/fact-check-ai-fakes-in-israels-war-against-hamas/a-67367744

 

The dude you are quoting is a full-blown groyper 9/11 conspiracy theorist and you saw his tweet confirmed your bias and you ran here to post it.  Your brain is getting cooked with this stuff, did you even bother to look at “Chris Brunet’s” feed? 

Here he is arguing that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition: 

https://www.aporiamagazine.com/p/essay-entry-world-trade-center-building

I don't know why anyone would need a picture of a charred baby to prove the absolute cruelty of Hamas' attack on Israel. No one should require that bit of evidence, either. The evidence is overwhelming. I despise and deplore what Israel is doing in Gaza and now Lebanon exploiting the horror of that attack, but I stipulate to the facts of the Hamas attack.

I'll just check in to say that our soft touch for Israel remains a disgrace to this country and administration. Today, I heard on the radio that the Israeli's have been allowing only 30 trucks of humanitarian supplies into Gaza while killing 20 more women and children in Northern Gaza.

Israeli Government Press Liaison gets call from press about civilians slaughtered in high explosive bombing of refuge:

Uh, lets see. Right, says right here, "we were attacking Hamas militants doing our best to avert civilian casualties."

Okay. Good enough for the shining city on a hill!

Edited November 5 by RomaVicta

[chainsaw 9850]

9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Netanyahu fires Gallant

Next up, Goofus?

[Brian Fantana 6677]

Expecting to lose quite a few family members in the next year. America!!!

[PRONG HORN 3130]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mittens 8252]

Cocksucking zionist scum finding out is fucking awesome.

 

[chainsaw 9850]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/sacha-baron-cohen-fled-for-his-life-837963

It's a very modern and tolerant country

[Frank Drebin 5654]

Fucking with Israelis usually works out well when Shin Bet and the Mossad get involved.  I would avoid using my cell phone for a bit.

Edited November 8 by Frank Drebin

[Anastasis 23454]

Israelis do a bunch of racist and destructive shit, find out, and then scream about it being a pogrom and rampant anti-semitism. Rinse repeat. 

Edited November 8 by Anastasis

[bolverk 29644]

 

[statsman 5449]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

 

I count three people in the picture. Are they the only three that were attacked?

Good rule of thumb. It is ok to judge people for what they do. It is not k to judge people for who they are. 
 
Attack the three that take down a flag? FAFO. 
 
Attack other people for giving indications that they are Jewish, or Israelis? Anti semitic pogrom. 

[bolverk 29644]

6 minutes ago, statsman said:

I count three people in the picture. Are they the only three that were attacked?

Good rule of thumb. It is ok to judge people for what they do. It is not k to judge people for who they are. 
 
Attack the three that take down a flag? FAFO. 
 
Attack other people for giving indications that they are Jewish, or Israelis? Anti semitic pogrom. 

I don't know all the details regarding whom was attacked, how many from each side were involved, or to what degree anyone was injured. What I've seen posted in this and the other thread is all I know on this incident. How widespread was the Israeli hooliganism before the violent response? That too, I don't know. If you find out, let us know because I've got a lot more important things, both closer to home (Trump 2.0) and even abroad (e.g., NATO, Ukraine, Taiwan), to worry about now than these soccer assholes beating on each other in fucking Amsterdam.

[Chuckie Finster 22692]

Israeli fans were doing too much.

Anti-Israelis were doing too much.

Both sides can play the victim on social media and nothing gets solved.

Tune in again tomorrow.

[chainsaw 9850]

Don't say unhinged shit and expect not to get your ass beat. Yeah, arrest and prosecute anyone who committed a crime, but don't expect sympathy from me for people who FAFO'd.

[Brian Fantana 6677]

2 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Israeli fans were doing too much.

Anti-Israelis were doing too much.

Both sides can play the victim on social media and nothing gets solved.

Tune in again tomorrow.

Idk chanting "Finish off the Arabs" and vandalizing shit kind of invites getting your ass beat. I think that they should have let the Dutch authorities handle it, though.

Not surprising that @statsman fell for the pogrom line completely.

[Brian Fantana 6677]

Defending the rights of Israelis to vandalize shit and yell death to Arabs everywhere they go, the legacy of Joe Brandon

[WhatTheBuck 28771]

9 hours ago, statsman said:

I count three people in the picture. Are they the only three that were attacked?

Good rule of thumb. It is ok to judge people for what they do. It is not k to judge people for who they are. 
 
Attack the three that take down a flag? FAFO. 
 
Attack other people for giving indications that they are Jewish, or Israelis? Anti semitic pogrom. 

But it’s okay to bomb Palestinian children, right?

[RomaVicta 29893]

NPR didn't know what to do with this story. They mentioned the Israeli fans' chants and actions as a mere footnote to the horror of them being attacked by outraged Dutch.

Fuck Israel.

Don't fuck the Jews in general. 

It's not hard.

[statsman 5449]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

But it’s okay to bomb Palestinian children, right?

No. But it is ok to bomb Hamas terrorists that are actively trying to kill you. If they imbed among civilians (they do), then their (Hamas) actions lead to innocent civilian deaths and injuries. 

Edited November 9 by statsman

[Frank Drebin 5654]

3 hours ago, statsman said:

No. But it is ok to bomb Hamas terrorists that are actively trying to kill you. If they imbed among civilians (they do), then their (Hamas) actions lead to innocent civilian deaths and injuries. 

Hamas is responsible for every single death of every civilian in Gaza.  

[statsman 5449]

On 11/9/2024 at 1:09 AM, RomaVicta said:

NPR didn't know what to do with this story. They mentioned the Israeli fans' chants and actions as a mere footnote to the horror of them being attacked by outraged Dutch.

Fuck Israel.

Don't fuck the Jews in general. 

It's not hard.

NPR article:

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Videos posted online seem to show Maccabi Tel Aviv fans — some of whom are known in Israel for aggressive behavior against Palestinian players — shouting racist anti-Arab epithets and slogans against Palestinians and in some instances, pulling down Palestinian flags.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/08/nx-s1-5183812/israeli-soccer-fans-attacked-in-amsterdam
 

“seem to show” is doing a lot of work. 
 
Do I believe such videos are real? Yes 

Do I believe they were shared among the assailants? Yes. 
 
Do I believe the actions in noted videos occurred at the game and related activities? I think that is worth checking out. It appears news organizations are hedging their bets, with respect to that. 

[statsman 5449]

There were precursor events, by the Macabi fans, and there was coordinated attacks by the Muslim Dutch youths-

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/calls-for-jew-hunt-preceded-attacks-in-amsterdam-e3311e21?st=hEeU1k&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink
 

[bolverk 29644]

 

[hpslugga 4058]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:39 PM, bolverk said:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna179837

 

Checks out. The Palestinians are finished; two-state settlement is dead, one-state “settlement” is dead. This is a one-state conquest that confirms the words of Moishe Dayan when he said “we have to be able to tell the Palestinians: we have no solution, you shall continue to live like dogs, and if you wish you may leave.”

And that still will not stop people from vigorously applauding and saying “look at me, me am smart.”

['stache 21789]

On 11/8/2024 at 10:18 PM, Brian Fantana said:

Defending the rights of Israelis to vandalize shit and yell death to Arabs everywhere they go, the legacy of Joe Brandon

No worries, the left flank got Biden-Harris fired for good, so in a few months there won't be any Gazans to really worry about, because they'll all be dead. Good work everyone. FJB, amirite?

[Brian Fantana 6677]

7 hours ago, 'stache said:

No worries, the left flank got Biden-Harris fired for good, so in a few months there won't be any Gazans to really worry about, because they'll all be dead. Good work everyone. FJB, amirite?

The fuck you talking to me for? I voted for Harris. And no, the left flank did not lose the election for Harris, but go off on your delulu rants I guess.