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I wonder if there’s a broader lesson here about picking a fight with a foe that’s vastly better equipped for the battle you’re entering into while at the same time behaving in a way that makes it impossible for people to help you. 
 

Probably not.  

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Just now, chainsaw said:

I blame Trump for his decisions,

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and I blame the Democrats for allowing him to regain power.

That puts the blame in the wrong place.  Democrats overwhelmingly voted for Harris.  Blame subsets of the center and left for staying home, sure, but BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO CAST VOTES FOR TRUMP FIRST for crying out loud.

Occam's Razor is a thing, you know.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:


This.
Fantana so desperately wants to point the finger at “THE DEMS MADE THEM DO IT” so as to absolve them.
Fantana, you still don’t get where I’m coming from: I hate ALL of them. The breathtakingly stupid/vindictive Arab voters, the gullible machismo-ridden Hispanics, the incompetent dem party, the “conservative” voters who let their hatred of others override the obvious deranged insanity of their candidate…and I can go on.
But there is ZERO doubt that the American Arab block either withheld their vote from Harris or purposefully voted for Trump out of stupidity/vindictiveness, helping Trump win. They own everything they get. Including what looks to be the culmination of a campaign of ethnic cleansing that will be the most successful in recent history, at the hands of the guy they helped put into power.
Fuck em. Pain and suffering is what all these assholes voted for, so let’s get on with it. No bitching, eat up.

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5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Agreed.

That puts the blame in the wrong place.  Democrats overwhelmingly voted for Harris.  Blame subsets of the center and left for staying home, sure, but BLAME THE PEOPLE WHO CAST VOTES FOR TRUMP FIRST for crying out loud.

Occam's Razor is a thing, you know.

When I say I blame the Democrats, I'm not talking about voters. I'm talking about the party's leaders.

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44 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Do you think I'm saying that Democrats are to blame for what Trump does or is going to do? I'm not saying that at all. I'm simply saying their handling of the Gaza situation disaffected many previously solid D voters. This is backed up by empirical data. It is not an emotional take. At some point, they have to take some responsibility for failing to reach said voters.

Well hope those voters enjoy the shit show like the rest of us who actually voted against this bullshit. Fuck em

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This concept is not new. First time I heard this was from an Arab in the Gulf. We were talking about what to do with Jerusalem, Sarajevo, other cultural cities that many claim. The idea was declare them free cities, international police/miitary, UN Admin, and international investment. He wanted the Emirates to lead. Said Israel would not have objections if they were making money, relations normalized with the Arab nations, and the shit started. I asked him what to do with the people there. "move them" was his response.

So another Trump idea that is not new.

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4 minutes ago, Blotto said:

That's such fucking bullshit. The rhetoric out of the democratic party was consistently more pro Palestine than the rhetoric out of the GQP. It wasn't exactly difficult to suss that out. If you wanted the democratic party to risk losing votes from the Jewish voting block (2.5% of the American pop) to woo the Palestinian voting block (0.05% of the American pop) by agreeing to all their demands, you're even dumber than I thought. I expect a population with so much at stake to vote in a way that best furthers their own prospects. If they cant find it in them to do that THEY CAN GET FUCKED if they are gonna bitch about the results.

It was ALWAYS 100% clear this was going to be the result. You would have to have a sub 70 IQ to not see it. I'm not gloating about it, but i have zero sympathy for a single Palestinian American that had the opportunity to vote Harris and didn't. They can get the fuck out of the country too. not because they are Palestinian or Muslim, but because they are too fucking stupid to have around.

Who's saying that the Dems aren't better than the GOP? God damn man you're preaching to the choir and no one is arguing with you.

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7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Who's saying that the Dems aren't better than the GOP? God damn man you're preaching to the choir and no one is arguing with you.

I'm saying the argument that the Dems didnt do enough to woo Palestinian voters (your argument) is fucking bullshit. I'm saying your claims that the dems told Palestinians to fuck off is fucking bullshit. There wasnt just one voting block to worry about. And at some point you have to assume that people arent going to shoot themselves in the foot, dick, and then finally brain. There is no hope for those people, they are too stupid to account for. Fuck em.

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Speaking purely as an electoral issue, Biden and Harris fucked up on Israel/Palestine after October 7. They did nothing to keep voters who felt that was a key issue on side. Now, there's a lot of dipshit gen Z "leftists" who post on social media about how it's because Dems love genocide, which is stupid as hell. That's not Fantana, though.

Dems fucked this up for the same reason they fuck everything up: they've got no actual understanding of voters so love to commission a hundred focus groups and look at a thousand polls before figuring out their political stance on anything. They're indecisive pussies who love paralysis by analysis. And they drastically misunderstood Bibi and the modern Israeli state. So Biden spent an entire year letting Bibi publicly embarrass him repeatedly while the State Department kept scrambling to pretend that it wasn't as bad as the entire world could see it obviously was.

I don't even necessarily think Biden stopping weapon sales once it became clear Israel didn't give a fuck how many civilians and children it killed would've swung the election; it could've turned off just as many voters who barely voted D (if not more) than they turned away with their cowardice. But what they did was consistent with the image much of the public has of Democrats as feckless pussies who won't fight for anything. And that's an image they've earned through incredibly hard and consistent efforts at being nearly the biggest pussies they could be for several decades.

I can and do blame the voters. I can and do blame the Democrats who fucked it up too. There's no shortage of blame to go around. But if we're lucky enough to still have fair elections in 2 years, we'll both need to persuade a lot of voters to stop treating voting like they're fucking consumers who only need to vote for a candidate if they really really like them, and get Democratic officials and candidates to realize that they've got to deal with the voters who actually exist and not mythological voters they dream up in their heads who might as well be aliens for all they resemble actual people. 

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12 minutes ago, 'stache said:

No it’s voters like you who demand ideological perfection on every issue that is the problem. I want the party to be further left, by a lot, but I don’t shit on every candidate who isn’t perfectly aligned, I support them without reservation. There is plenty of room for robust debate on the left but support the candidate because we know we’re up against a bunch of people on the other side who don’t give a shit about anything but the R by anyone’s name. Your peanut gallery approach is complete fucking bullshit and a big part of why we keep ending up in this fucking place. 

A "peanut gallery approach" moved the GOP from the party of Bush to the party of Trump. A novel concept, I know, but maybe just maybe we should try refusing to accept weakness from our party. I'm not here to cheer for fucking losers.

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

A "peanut gallery approach" moved the GOP from the party of Bush to the party of Trump. A novel concept, I know, but maybe just maybe we should try refusing to accept weakness from our party. I'm not here to cheer for fucking losers.

We could use a lot more of this fucking attitude. 

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3 minutes ago, Blotto said:

I'm saying the argument that the Dems didnt do enough to woo Palestinian voters (your argument) is fucking bullshit. I'm saying your claims that the dems told Palestinians to fuck off is fucking bullshit.

It's not that they needed to woo Palestinian voters, overall they are an insignificant bloc that can't affect the outcome of an election. They needed to energize their own previously strong voting base and failed to, and the situation in Gaza and the party's response was a strong reason for that, backed up by polling data. Blaming the Palestinian voters for their loss is abject insanity.

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Just now, Blotto said:

I'm saying the argument that the Dems didnt do enough to woo palestinian voters (your argument) is fucking bullshit. 

I'll agree with Brian that they could've done more, at least from the margins.

Going off of memory and what was made public, I think that Kamala only agreed to meet with pro-Palestinian protestors once during a campaign stop in Michigan. It was, however, only behind closed doors. Immediately afterward, she held an event, and a group of protestors (separate from the one that was met with) protested her appearance. I think most of us who were paying attention remember that.

I believe this was also after the DNC, where no Palestinians were seen or heard on stage as if the campaign didn't trust the pro-Palestinian camp from going off script. Now, they may well have had good reasons for not doing so (I, of course, have zero insider knowledge), but that lack of representation at the convention could also be seen as an insult.

Does that excuse sitting home, voting for Trump or Stein, or even sitting out the election? Fuck no! But I do agree that the Kamala campaign could've shown more public displays of affection to, at the very least, not make them feel like wayward outcasts. Sure, it'd be a superficial gesture from the campaign's perspective, but apparently, it really mattered to some of that protest bloc.

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6 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's not that they needed to woo Palestinian voters, overall they are an insignificant bloc that can't affect the outcome of an election. They needed to energize their own previously strong voting base and failed to, and the situation in Gaza and the party's response was a strong reason for that, backed up by polling data. Blaming the Palestinian voters for their loss is abject insanity.

OK I will amend my earlier statement. Any eligible voter (palestinian, american, martian, etc...) who didnt vote for Harris because Palestine is the most important issue in their lives can get the fuck out of the country. they are dumber than the republicans we laugh at on team Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. they can all get fucked. 

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8 minutes ago, Blotto said:

OK I will amend my earlier statement. Any eligible voter (palestinian, american, martian, etc...) who didnt vote for Harris because Palestine is the most important issue in their lives can get the fuck out of the country. they are dumber than the republicans we laugh at on team Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. they can all get fucked. 

I'm not sure "we should deport people who don't vote the way I want" is a good way to separate ourselves from the GQP.

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3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not sure "we should deport people who don't vote the way I want" is a good way to separate ourselves from the GQP.

And ensuring that Donald Trump was elected to visit untold harm upon the poor, immigrants, people of color, LGBTQ, unions, and the disabled is?

Because that's what I hear when I hear people say they can't vote for the Dems. Fuck all of those people.

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1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not sure "we should deport people who don't vote the way I want" is a good way to separate ourselves from the GQP.

If I were king I would just deport stupid people, regardless of party. Coincidentally,  that would eliminate most GQP voters and the palestinian americans clutching pearls because Harris didnt sing Fida'i at the beginning of each campaign rally. 

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2 minutes ago, Blotto said:

If I were king I would just deport stupid people, regardless of party. Coincidentally,  that would eliminate most GQP voters and the palestinian americans clutching pearls because Harris didnt sing Fida'i at the beginning of each campaign rally. 

Well, shit, if we're speculating about ideal worlds...

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I talked to a good friend from Ft Bend county who is muslim and pretty much plugged into the muslim community there.  Pre election day, he was talking about how dumb so many muslims were for switching to Trump.  All along I had been thinking they were doing it in a move of solidarity behind Palestine.  So I was surprised when I asked him about it and he said they were generally happy about it.  What they wanted was to see the conflict come to an end, it really didn't matter who won or lost, just get it over and Trump did that.  

However he did say that Muslim Ban 2.0 hasn't sunk in much yet, so that's what will get them stirred up.

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2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Well, shit, if we're speculating about ideal worlds...

Fantastic. I'll mark you down as a Yes on the "Blotto to be king" initiative. I believe you're the first one. I'll see if I can get you a koozie.

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2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Hey thanks, man, I really appreciate your flippant attitude. Members of my extended family are still in immediate, mortal danger in that part of the world, you know. I do appreciate that you are okay with pointing fingers [at the wrong targets] and going "nyah nyah boo boo" while Trump is maybe kick-starting the next Holocaust because you're mad at a group of voters that realistically could not and did not affect the outcome of the election. They declined to vote for the campaign that literally told them "fuck off, we don't need your votes"

Literally?

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27 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I talked to a good friend from Ft Bend county who is muslim and pretty much plugged into the muslim community there.  Pre election day, he was talking about how dumb so many muslims were for switching to Trump.  All along I had been thinking they were doing it in a move of solidarity behind Palestine.  So I was surprised when I asked him about it and he said they were generally happy about it.  What they wanted was to see the conflict come to an end, it really didn't matter who won or lost, just get it over and Trump did that.  

However he did say that Muslim Ban 2.0 hasn't sunk in much yet, so that's what will get them stirred up.

He did what? 

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10 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Hey thanks, man, I really appreciate your flippant attitude. Members of my extended family are still in immediate, mortal danger in that part of the world, you know. I do appreciate that you are okay with pointing fingers [at the wrong targets] and going "nyah nyah boo boo" while Trump is maybe kick-starting the next Holocaust because you're mad at a group of voters that realistically could not and did not affect the outcome of the election. They declined to vote for the campaign that literally told them "fuck off, we don't need your votes" in no uncertain terms. Something which you conveniently refuse to address.

Of course I, and many like me, held my nose and voted for her anyway, but I'm a high information voter. Most people aren't, and that's just the factbut I appreciate you getting your petty dunks in on top of the potential corpses of people I care about.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that their position is an emotional, ultimately irrational one (similar to your prolific and mean-spirited accusations of antisemitism against posters who were critical of Israel's response post-October 7th). Do you really expect people who are deliberately, and quite publicly, humiliated and alienated by the Democratic Party and the Harris campaign in the way that they were to just shrug their shoulders and pull the lever anyway?

That would be an insane and genuinely unreasonable ask of any marginalized group, but because it's this specific topic and the group in question are comprised of mostly scary brown people, it's okay to condemn them because it's no skin off your nose, right?

 

 

Hey man, thanks for chiming in and slipping back into the thinly veiled racism. I figured you got over that, but I guess we're back to being like "hey lol them ayrabs and their suicide vests, right?" *nudge nudge*

God forbid we look have a nuanced take when we can just spew diarrhea instead.

I mean, come on, I'm not happy about a bunch of Jill Stein votes from that camp, either, but ultimately it didn't affect the outcome of the election. It didn't. We know this. Not only that, but there's plenty of data that suggests a better response from the Biden administration and like, anything at all from the Harris campaign other than just going along with said administration would likely have led to a much better outcome overall.

It's just sad that we just can't have a conversation about how badly the Ds fucked this up, including the Harris campaign, we just have to shit on the people they thumbed their noses at and told to fuck off instead.

You’re unhinged. First off, please as you say “show your work” here  Biden/Harris LITERALLY told Palestinians to “fuck off, we don’t need your votes.” You seem to big on “empirical evidence” in your recent posts. So show your work. I’ll accept a link or video with the quote of Biden/harris literally telling them to “fuck off” and they don’t need the  Arab votes. 

additionally, you don’t get to take credit for being a high information Harris voter while absolving most of the Arab population for being normal lower information voters. It sounds like you should have been doing more to educate, and I’ll paraphrase here, your family/people. Every post you made last year on here bitching and moaning about Biden/Harris could have been an opportunity to phone bank, door knock, or email and reach out to communities to explain to them what would happen if Trump regained power. 

 

10 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

What do you mean, y'all? I voted for Harris, mother fucker, you know I did. I certainly didn't encourage anyone else not to, either. I knew the stakes. Eat my fucking ass, I didn't order a shit sandwich for anyone. But I appreciate the boldness of the lie, I guess.

I also didn't say the Dems made them do this. I said they publicly humiliated them, deliberately alienated them and told them "fuck off, we don't need your votes". These are just facts, they happened, and the subsequent response of "Well, we're not going to vote for you I guess" is an understandable one, even if it's ultimately stupid and counterproductive, and meaningless.

Again, the complete inability of some people to blame the Biden admin and Harris campaign for their own, demonstrable mistakes is just staggering to me.

Please support your “facts” with links and data. Note your subjective interpretation of a situation is neither facts nor data. For example if a woman refuses to go on a date with you, it is not a fact that she is a “raging lesbian who hates dick.”

there’s no shortage or people willing to blame Biden/harris for mistakes. But I see a shortage of anyone willing to do the same to people who voted for their own genocide in the face of, we won’t call it facts, we’ll call it “overwhelming evidence.”

 

9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not saying it wasn't stupid, just that it was understandable given the circumstances. And the fact that you tried to lump me, a pro-Palestinian Harris voter, in with them as if I'm responsible for this, kind of betrays your irrationality here.

Voting in a manner that will bring genocide upon the very people you want to help is never, under any circumstances, understandable. 

9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

My sole issue here is the complete inability to hold the Dems and the Harris campaign accountable for the demonstrable mistakes they made with regard to this specific topic. They fucked this up just as much as the people that felt disaffected by them. No one wants to talk about that, though, we'd rather just shit on the dumb brown people.

No one is arguing the ways Biden/harris fucked up. Obviously they did, as they lost. But you keep screaming how you have data that they fucked up on Palestine, this is their fault, but in your next breath you say there is empirical and factual evidence that the Arab population didn’t cost them the election. You can’t have it both ways. 

9 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Also, the notion that applying real pressure to Israel was political suicide is a ludicrous lie. There is empirical data available that indicates that a significant percentage of the millions of people that previously voted for Biden and did not vote in the 2024 election, sat home because of the administration's response to the situation in Gaza.

Again, please show your empirical data. And not just the number of people that stayed home. But the number of people that stayed home, the reason they cited staying home as Israel and Palestine, and that number and the margin of victory for Trump. Go ahead, I’ll wait. 
 

Because, and I’ll veer into chainsaw’s stupidity next, the overwhelming reason I’ve seen cited before and after the election, consistently, was the border and cost of goods. 

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So I hate to even use this imagery because of how horrific it is but feel it’s becoming more and more accurate as we go along especially with the events of last night: Why are we signing up to help Bidi enact a solution that deems fairly final to the Palestinian question in Gaza?  

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13 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

Maybe you and others should stop acting like snarky, smug assholes on this topic because a group of voters were rightfully upset at the Biden administration for their inaction, blatant lies, and handling of Israel with regard to what was/is happening in Gaza. Continuing to place the blame on these voters instead of the administration that alienated them and the campaign that further alienated them by quite literally telling them "fuck off, we don't need your votes" is unbelievably asinine.

The election already happened. We all know that most voters only see what's right in front of them, and to those people, the administration's handling of the situation and their response to pleas for action (or any representation at all) from was unconscionable. It is what it is, and on that note they're not wrong. Obviously, the politically savvy understand that Trump would likely be worse for Gaza, but again, most voters aren't looking ahead, they're just reacting to what's right in front of their faces.

Furthermore, we know that even if she got every single one of those votes in places like Dearborn, she would still have lost, so what the fuck is your beef, exactly? It's the exact same dumbass energy as all of the people that were shitting on trans people and other marginalized groups right after the election. Literally just place the blame on anyone but the fucking Democrats who fumbled the entire bag themselves.

Sorry, any moron who thought trump would be better for Muslims than Biden truly deserves to FO.

And I’m here to enjoy every time it happens.

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5 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

So I hate to even use this imagery because of how horrific it is but feel it’s becoming more and more accurate as we go along especially with the events of last night: Why are we signing up to help Bidi enact a solution that deems fairly final to the Palestinian question in Gaza?  

Because there's money to be made off it. Everything with Trump must be viewed through the lens of how does it directly benefit him or his family monetarily. 

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10 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

So I hate to even use this imagery because of how horrific it is but feel it’s becoming more and more accurate as we go along especially with the events of last night: Why are we signing up to help Bidi enact a solution that deems fairly final to the Palestinian question in Gaza?  

It fits with the cycle of abuse 

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Aw shucks, maybe the Democrats would have won if only their voters didn't actually expect anything from them, if only people stopped saying mean stuff about them.

Feel free to blame the Democrats for what they failed to do in government. What annoys me is when the Republicans do stupid shit and then people blame the Democrats for losing to them. No the Republicans are responsible for their stupid shit and the Democrats are responsible for theirs. It is not the Democrats fault when the Republicans suck.

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14 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Feel free to blame the Democrats for what they failed to do in government. What annoys me is when the Republicans do stupid shit and then people blame the Democrats for losing to them. No the Republicans are responsible for their stupid shit and the Democrats are responsible for theirs. It is not the Democrats fault when the Republicans suck.

I consider conservatives to be a fact of life. Fundamentally, they are an embodiment of pure evil. They are not answerable to me. It's like blaming water for being wet. I mean, sure, you could do it but it's pointless.

Democrats market themselves as the antithesis of the GOP. They are, at least in theory, supposed to reflect the will of their voters. If they are to be the umbrella in the rainstorm, but the umbrella malfunctions and we're getting soaked, it's reasonable to complain to the manufacturer because they're not doing their jobs properly.

What's even worse is being told by the manufacturer that the reason their product malfunctions is because I don't appreciate it enough, or being told that it's not malfunctioning because it's good to exhibit the virtue of compromise by getting drenched.

There is only one party in American politics that fears its base, and it's the only party whose base is getting exactly what they want from their politicians.

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10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I consider conservatives to be a fact of life. Fundamentally, they are an embodiment of pure evil. They are not answerable to me. It's like blaming water for being wet. I mean, sure, you could do it but it's pointless.

Democrats market themselves as the antithesis of the GOP. They are, at least in theory, supposed to reflect the will of their voters. If they are to be the umbrella in the rainstorm, but the umbrella malfunctions and we're getting soaked, it's reasonable to complain to the manufacturer because they're not doing their jobs properly.

What's even worse is being told by the manufacturer that the reason their product malfunctions is because I don't appreciate it enough, or being told that it's not malfunctioning because it's good to exhibit the virtue of compromise by getting drenched.

There is only one party in American politics that fears its base, and it's the only party whose base is getting exactly what they want from their politicians.

A complete illustration would be: "And then, to show my dissatisfaction to the manufacturuer, I tied a cinderblock to my legs and threw myself off a bridge and into a river. Becuase, as you can see, I really had no other choice."

As if people here don't fucking bitch about the democratic party ALL THE FUCKING TIME. 

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40 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

So I hate to even use this imagery because of how horrific it is but feel it’s becoming more and more accurate as we go along especially with the events of last night: Why are we signing up to help Bidi enact a solution that deems fairly final to the Palestinian question in Gaza?  

Are you new to the country's existence in this world? We've been friendly to him because he is friendly to Western Imperialism. That has now been co-opted (taken over) by Trump Imperialism, which will help Trump join Musk as an Oligarch. He always wanted to be Putin, he said it to the country's face, and they gave him the fucking keys AND the checkbook. Palestinians wanted existence, Trump doesn't respect that, he respects power and greed. Despots get him off because he envisions himself having the power that they have. 

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31 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I consider conservatives to be a fact of life. Fundamentally, they are an embodiment of pure evil. They are not answerable to me. It's like blaming water for being wet. I mean, sure, you could do it but it's pointless.

Democrats market themselves as the antithesis of the GOP. They are, at least in theory, supposed to reflect the will of their voters. If they are to be the umbrella in the rainstorm, but the umbrella malfunctions and we're getting soaked, it's reasonable to complain to the manufacturer because they're not doing their jobs properly.

What's even worse is being told by the manufacturer that the reason their product malfunctions is because I don't appreciate it enough, or being told that it's not malfunctioning because it's good to exhibit the virtue of compromise by getting drenched.

There is only one party in American politics that fears its base, and it's the only party whose base is getting exactly what they want from their politicians.

Oh for fucks sake, you sound like a fucking child who didn't get the right dessert. We're a two party system, which sucks, but that's just how it is and has been for a long time. The democratic party has tens of millions of registered voters. There is no party platform that will click every box for every member. The candidates and administrations make their policy positions known, it's not "you didn't appreciate us enough," again you sound like a fucking child with that bullshit. On this issue, Biden and Harris both laid out their belief (which is the vast majority belief within the party) that Israel is long time ally and partner, while also being clear that Netanyahu is a criminal, is corrupt, and that the Israeli government overstepped in Gaza well after Oct 7. They also stood up for student protesters when red state governors were pepper spraying them and trying to withhold diplomas or expel them from school. They did push back when the protesters said things that were clearly anti-semetic (as opposed to anti-Israel) and when protesters interrupted her rallies. The ego on you to believe that you alone represent the "base" of the party. Anyone who refused to vote for Harris becasue of Gaza can go fuck themselves, yesterday was completely predictable and would never have happened under Harris. FFS, Netanyahu was trump's first state visit to the White House.  

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11 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Oh for fucks sake, you sound like a fucking child who didn't get the right dessert. We're a two party system, which sucks, but that's just how it is and has been for a long time. The democratic party has tens of millions of registered voters. There is no party platform that will click every box for every member. The candidates and administrations make their policy positions known, it's not "you didn't appreciate us enough," again you sound like a fucking child with that bullshit. On this issue, Biden and Harris both laid out their belief (which is the vast majority belief within the party) that Israel is long time ally and partner, while also being clear that Netanyahu is a criminal, is corrupt, and that the Israeli government overstepped in Gaza well after Oct 7. They also stood up for student protesters when red state governors were pepper spraying them and trying to withhold diplomas or expel them from school. They did push back when the protesters said things that were clearly anti-semetic (as opposed to anti-Israel) and when protesters interrupted her rallies. The ego on you to believe that you alone represent the "base" of the party. Anyone who refused to vote for Harris becasue of Gaza can go fuck themselves, yesterday was completely predictable and would never have happened under Harris. FFS, Netanyahu was trump's first state visit to the White House.  

This.  The extreme elements in this country have succeeded in taking it down.

On the right, the extreme elements have succeeded by seizing control of the party on the right, and implementing insane/fever dream visions of an authoritarian hellscape.

On the left, the extreme elements have succeeded by successfully undermining and denying support to the opposition party so that it can't thwart the actions of the extremist right party.

Left wing petulant bitches and right wing psychopaths:

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...united in destroying the Republic.

Well-done, fellas.  Congratulations.  You did it.  You really showed us.

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22 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

this is how I know you're out of touch and your opinions can be safely ignored

Just Dumb GIFs | Tenor

 

There has been some extremely stupid takes in this thread but this is up at the top of the mountain.

 

The pro-palestinian wing of the party:

Pagans: We Demand to Be Taken Seriously

 

Also the pro-palestinian wing of the party:

HBO cuts off its nose to spite its face | BetaNews

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risking futility to waste time typing on topic....

there are 3.5m palestinians already in jordan, lebanon and syria

750k palestinians fled in the 'nakba' of 1948 in the face of the first arab-israeli war - this was 80% of the population in the borders of what would become israel from 1948-1967

beiruit is (was and should be again) the riviera of the eastern med

the entire world with the exception of the israelis is *LAUGHING* at turnip

every nation worth quoting is saying a 2-state solution is the only solution

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