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6 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

You’re unhinged. First off, please as you say “show your work” here  Biden/Harris LITERALLY told Palestinians to “fuck off, we don’t need your votes.” You seem to big on “empirical evidence” in your recent posts. So show your work. I’ll accept a link or video with the quote of Biden/harris literally telling them to “fuck off” and they don’t need the  Arab votes. 

additionally, you don’t get to take credit for being a high information Harris voter while absolving most of the Arab population for being normal lower information voters. It sounds like you should have been doing more to educate, and I’ll paraphrase here, your family/people. Every post you made last year on here bitching and moaning about Biden/Harris could have been an opportunity to phone bank, door knock, or email and reach out to communities to explain to them what would happen if Trump regained power. 

 

Please support your “facts” with links and data. Note your subjective interpretation of a situation is neither facts nor data. For example if a woman refuses to go on a date with you, it is not a fact that she is a “raging lesbian who hates dick.”

there’s no shortage or people willing to blame Biden/harris for mistakes. But I see a shortage of anyone willing to do the same to people who voted for their own genocide in the face of, we won’t call it facts, we’ll call it “overwhelming evidence.”

 

Voting in a manner that will bring genocide upon the very people you want to help is never, under any circumstances, understandable. 

No one is arguing the ways Biden/harris fucked up. Obviously they did, as they lost. But you keep screaming how you have data that they fucked up on Palestine, this is their fault, but in your next breath you say there is empirical and factual evidence that the Arab population didn’t cost them the election. You can’t have it both ways. 

Again, please show your empirical data. And not just the number of people that stayed home. But the number of people that stayed home, the reason they cited staying home as Israel and Palestine, and that number and the margin of victory for Trump. Go ahead, I’ll wait. 
 

Because, and I’ll veer into chainsaw’s stupidity next, the overwhelming reason I’ve seen cited before and after the election, consistently, was the border and cost of goods. 

Acknowledging your post, will respond later, busy

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so the reality is there are 5.5m people without a home

they won't fit in the gaza strip

this is another topic to flood the zone with our reps

turnip wants to reduce the deficit and slash and burn DC

how much would this fantasy cost?  1 trillion?  2 trillion?

the 2-state solution was happening until extremists on both sides fucked it up (..... ...... ......)

PLEASE READ THIS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords

the idiot dems should have launched a counterattack this morning with some flavor of the above

but this one is tailor made for false-flag pretend-maga outrage calls to all reps at all levels

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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gw89x8x11o

The Palestinian president has said he strongly rejects President Donald Trump's proposal for the US to take over Gaza and permanently resettle the 2.1 million Palestinians living there.

"We will not allow the rights of our people... to be infringed on," Mahmoud Abbas stressed, warning that Gaza was "an integral part of the State of Palestine" and forced displacement would be a serious violation of international law.

Hamas, whose 15-month war with Israel has caused widespread devastation, said Trump's plan would "put oil on the fire" in the region.

Arab states also rejected the idea, with Saudi Arabia reiterating it would not normalise ties with Israel without the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Neighbouring Egypt, who had rejected Trump's suggestion last month that it and Jordan take in residents of Gaza, stressed the need for reconstruction "without moving the Palestinians".

It comes two weeks after the start of a fragile ceasefire in Gaza, during which Hamas has released some Israeli hostages it is holding in exchange for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 were taken hostage.

More than 47,540 people have been killed and 111,600 injured in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Most of Gaza's population has also been displaced multiple times, almost 70% of buildings are estimated to be damaged or destroyed, the healthcare, water, sanitation and hygiene systems have collapsed, and there are shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter.

President Trump's first major remarks on Middle East policy shattered decades of US thinking on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

He presented them at the White House on Tuesday night alongside visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The US will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too," he said. "We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings."

Trump estimated that about 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza would have to be relocated to achieve his vision of creating "the Riviera of the Middle East", and said they would be housed in Jordan, Egypt and other countries.

When asked whether the refugees would eventually be allowed to return, he said that "the world's people" would live in Gaza, before adding "also Palestinians".

Trump also brushed aside previous objections from Jordan and Egypt's leaders to taking in refugees, insisting that they would eventually "open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done".

Netanyahu said Trump's proposal could "change history" and was "worth paying attention to", adding: "This is the kind of thinking that will reshape the Middle East and bring peace."

A unnamed senior Israeli official was also quoted as saying that Trump's ideas surpassed all his "expectations and dreams".

However, the Palestinian leadership condemned the plan in a statement issued on Wednesday.

"These calls represent a serious violation of international law," President Abbas said, adding that "peace and stability will not be achieved in the region without the establishment of a Palestinian state".

Abbas leads Hamas rivals Fatah and governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

He declared that Palestinians would not "give up their land, rights, and sacred sites" and that "the Gaza Strip is an integral part of the land of the State of Palestine, along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem".

Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US, the UK and other countries - said in a statement that Trump was "aiming for the United States to occupy the Gaza Strip".

It warned that his proposal was "aggressive to our people and cause, won't serve stability in the region and will only put oil on the fire".

Palestinians in Gaza also said the plan was completely out of the question.

"We have endured nearly a year and a half of bombings and destruction, yet we remain in Gaza," one man told BBC Arabic.

"We would rather die in Gaza than leave it. We will stay here until we rebuild it. Trump can do as he pleases, but we firmly reject his decisions."

Under international law, attempts to forcibly transfer populations are strictly prohibited.

Palestinians also fear a repeat of the "Nakba", or "catastrophe", when hundreds of thousands fled or were driven from their homes before and during the war that followed the creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Many of those refugees ended up in Gaza, where they and their descendants make up three quarters of the population. Another 900,000 registered refugees live in the West Bank, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war along with Gaza, while 3.4 million others live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, according to the UN.

Israel unilaterally withdrew its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, though it retained control of its shared border, airspace and shoreline, giving it effective control of the movement of people and goods. The UN still regards Gaza as Israeli-occupied territory because of the level of control Israel has.

Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry said the kingdom "unequivocally rejected" Trump's proposal for post-war Gaza and reiterated that it would continue its efforts to establish an independent Palestinian state and "not establish diplomatic relations with Israel without that".

"Achieving lasting and just peace is impossible without the Palestinian people obtaining their legitimate rights," it added.

Following talks in Cairo, Egyptian Foreign Minister Badr Abdelatty said he had agreed with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammed Mustafa on "the importance of moving forward with early recovery projects... without the Palestinians leaving the Gaza Strip, especially with their commitment to their land and refusal to leave it".

Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said the relocation of Palestinians from Gaza in any form was "unacceptable", adding: "It is absurd to even consider it."

Western governments also expressed alarm about any forced displacement.

France's foreign ministry said it would "constitute a serious violation of international law, an attack on the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinians, but also a major obstacle to the two-state solution and a major destabilising factor for our close partners Egypt and Jordan, as well as for the entire region".

UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy said: "We've always been clear in our belief that we must seek two states. We must see Palestinians able to live and prosper in their homelands, in Gaza, in the West Bank."

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Just now, SydneyCarton said:

You mean everyone except about 50% of Americans, right?

You know I never wanted to make anybody feel bad or hate America or anything when I bring up stuff like slavery and the Trail of Tears and shit. I just want people to stop doing shit like that. If everybody agrees to be nice moving forward we can memory hole all that shit because it would no longer be relevant to anything.

But I was referring to statements by the Israeli officials creaming over themselves at the dream of ethnic cleansing. As if doing that wouldn't still leave them surrounded by hostile states.

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5 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

In a shocking development, almost everybody agrees that ethnic cleansing is evil and bad.

Almost indeed. 4 out of 5 heads of states agree, ethnic cleansing is wrong.

Guess we’re not chewing Trident gum anymore.

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8 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

You know I never wanted to make anybody feel bad or hate America or anything when I bring up stuff like slavery and the Trail of Tears and shit. I just want people to stop doing shit like that. If everybody agrees to be nice moving forward we can memory hole all that shit because it would no longer be relevant to anything.

But I was referring to statements by the Israeli officials creaming over themselves at the dream of ethnic cleansing. As if doing that wouldn't still leave them surrounded by hostile states.

Memory holing shit is a big reason on how America got to where we are today, so no thank you. And when we didn't memory hole it, we get the resentment that manifests in DEI rage, brown people rage, all of it. 

Lots of folks in America creaming themselves over ethic cleansing too. 

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Republicans conflicted on Trump’s pitch to ‘own’ Gaza: ‘I thought we voted for America First’'

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/05/trump-gaza-republican-reaction

Trump’s head-spinning pronouncement appeared to catch many Republican politicians off guard, including the North Carolina senator Thom Tillis.

“There’s probably a couple of kinks in that Slinky, but I’ll have to look at the statement,” he said.

“Obviously it’s not going to happen. I don’t know under what circumstance it would make sense, even for Israel. If Israel is asking for the US to come in and provide some assistance to ensure that Hamas can never do again what they did, I’m in. But us taking over seems like a bit of a stretch.”

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3 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

If Israel is asking for the US to come in and provide some assistance to ensure that Hamas can never do again what they did, I’m in. But us taking over seems like a bit of a stretch.”

In what sense Senator? Are you saying you want to send American troops to Gaza to help Israel?

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6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

"Obviously it’s not going to happen".

Well the current president stood up there with Bibi yesterday and fucking announced it was happening. I guess it's not going to happen like Project 2025 wasn't going to happen.

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Well the current president stood up there with Bibi yesterday and fucking announced it was happening. I guess it's not going to happen like Project 2025 wasn't going to happen.

Yeah well I believe it isn't going to happen when Thom Tillis actually votes for legislation to block it. Or votes against legislation to fund it.

Which he won't.

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15 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's just sad that we just can't have a conversation about how badly the Ds fucked this up, including the Harris campaign, we just have to shit on the people they thumbed their noses at and told to fuck off instead.

This seems to be grist for the last few pages about an American GЯP President pronouncing the site of a massive slaughter the future home of a USA owned Mediterannean paradise development once we get those pesky, bombed-out natives out of the way.

Totally rational response and focus of analysis. 

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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gw89x8x11o

The Palestinian president has said he strongly rejects President Donald Trump's proposal for the US to take over Gaza and permanently resettle the 2.1 million Palestinians living there.

"We will not allow the rights of our people... to be infringed on," Mahmoud Abbas stressed, warning that Gaza was "an integral part of the State of Palestine" and forced displacement would be a serious violation of international law.

Hamas, whose 15-month war with Israel has caused widespread devastation, said Trump's plan would "put oil on the fire" in the region.

Arab states also rejected the idea, with Saudi Arabia reiterating it would not normalise ties with Israel without the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Neighbouring Egypt, who had rejected Trump's suggestion last month that it and Jordan take in residents of Gaza, stressed the need for reconstruction "without moving the Palestinians".

It comes two weeks after the start of a fragile ceasefire in Gaza, during which Hamas has released some Israeli hostages it is holding in exchange for Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails.

The Israeli military launched a campaign to destroy Hamas in response to an unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 were taken hostage.

More than 47,540 people have been killed and 111,600 injured in Gaza since then, according to the territory's Hamas-run health ministry.

Most of Gaza's population has also been displaced multiple times, almost 70% of buildings are estimated to be damaged or destroyed, the healthcare, water, sanitation and hygiene systems have collapsed, and there are shortages of food, fuel, medicine and shelter.

President Trump's first major remarks on Middle East policy shattered decades of US thinking on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

He presented them at the White House on Tuesday night alongside visiting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

"The US will take over the Gaza Strip, and we will do a job with it too," he said. "We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site, and get rid of the destroyed buildings."

Trump estimated that about 1.8 million Palestinians living in Gaza would have to be relocated to achieve his vision of creating "the Riviera of the Middle East", and said they would be housed in Jordan, Egypt and other countries.

When asked whether the refugees would eventually be allowed to return, he said that "the world's people" would live in Gaza, before adding "also Palestinians".

Trump also brushed aside previous objections from Jordan and Egypt's leaders to taking in refugees, insisting that they would eventually "open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done".

Netanyahu said Trump's proposal could "change history" and was "worth paying attention to", adding: "This is the kind of thinking that will reshape the Middle East and bring peace."

A unnamed senior Israeli official was also quoted as saying that Trump's ideas surpassed all his "expectations and dreams".

However, the Palestinian leadership condemned the plan in a statement issued on Wednesday.

"These calls represent a serious violation of international law," President Abbas said, adding that "peace and stability will not be achieved in the region without the establishment of a Palestinian state".

Abbas leads Hamas rivals Fatah and governs parts of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

He declared that Palestinians would not "give up their land, rights, and sacred sites" and that "the Gaza Strip is an integral part of the land of the State of Palestine, along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem".

Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the US, the UK and other countries - said in a statement that Trump was "aiming for the United States to occupy the Gaza Strip".

It warned that his proposal was "aggressive to our people and cause, won't serve stability in the region and will only put oil on the fire".

Palestinians in Gaza also said the plan was completely out of the question.

"We have endured nearly a year and a half of bombings and destruction, yet we remain in Gaza," one man told BBC Arabic.

"We would rather die in Gaza than leave it. We will stay here until we rebuild it. Trump can do as he pleases, but we firmly reject his decisions."

Under international law, attempts to forcibly transfer populations are strictly prohibited.

Palestinians also fear a repeat of the "Nakba", or "catastrophe", when hundreds of thousands fled or were driven from their homes before and during the war that followed the creation of the State of Israel in 1948.

Many of those refugees ended up in Gaza, where they and their descendants make up three quarters of the population. Another 900,000 registered refugees live in the West Bank, which Israel occupied in the 1967 Middle East war along with Gaza, while 3.4 million others live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, according to the UN.

Israel unilaterally withdrew its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005, though it retained control of its shared border, airspace and shoreline, giving it effective control of the movement of people and goods. The UN still regards Gaza as Israeli-occupied territory because of the level of control Israel has.

Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry said the kingdom "unequivocally rejected" Trump's proposal for post-war Gaza and reiterated that it would continue its efforts to establish an independent Palestinian state and "not establish diplomatic relations with Israel without that".

"Achieving lasting and just peace is impossible without the Palestinian people obtaining their legitimate rights," it added.

Following talks in Cairo, Egyptian Foreign Minister Badr Abdelatty said he had agreed with Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Mohammed Mustafa on "the importance of moving forward with early recovery projects... without the Palestinians leaving the Gaza Strip, especially with their commitment to their land and refusal to leave it".

Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan said the relocation of Palestinians from Gaza in any form was "unacceptable", adding: "It is absurd to even consider it."

Western governments also expressed alarm about any forced displacement.

France's foreign ministry said it would "constitute a serious violation of international law, an attack on the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinians, but also a major obstacle to the two-state solution and a major destabilising factor for our close partners Egypt and Jordan, as well as for the entire region".

UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy said: "We've always been clear in our belief that we must seek two states. We must see Palestinians able to live and prosper in their homelands, in Gaza, in the West Bank."

I fear that with one press conference, Trump has made all Americans at home and abroad less safe today. It would be naïve to think that fanning the flames by saying the US is going to take over Gaza and resettle Palestinians in another country doesn’t fan the flames terrorist organizations in the Arab world. My wife has to travel to the Middle East for work next week and I’m going to be watching this shit like a hawk.

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Trump’s head-spinning pronouncement appeared to catch many Republican politicians off guard, including the North Carolina senator Thom Tillis.

“There’s probably a couple of kinks in that Slinky, but I’ll have to look at the statement,” he said as he popped up from beneath the oval office desk while wiping bronzer off his chin. 

“Obviously it’s not going to happen. I don’t know under what circumstance it would make sense, even for Israel. If Israel is asking for the US to come in and provide some assistance to ensure that Hamas can never do again what they did, I’m in. But us taking over seems like a bit of a stretch.”

"Now if you excuse me, our lord and savior Donald Trump needs to catch a nut" he said as he disappeared from view. 

 

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1 hour ago, royiv said:

I fear that with one press conference, Trump has made all Americans at home and abroad less safe today. It would be naïve to think that fanning the flames by saying the US is going to take over Gaza and resettle Palestinians in another country doesn’t fan the flames terrorist organizations in the Arab world. My wife has to travel to the Middle East for work next week and I’m going to be watching this shit like a hawk.

Where? Unless it is downtown West Bank or Gaza she should be pretty safe. Tell her to not go visit the pyramids. Seems like anytime shit like this happens a group of tourists in Luxor get whacked.

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