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[InkaUtexas 26970]

This is going to get bad. Real quick. With no assistance going in, yeah, people are fucked.

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

What do you expect people to say? 

No one supports what Israel is doing to Gaza. It’s horrific and they should stop. 

[BrickHorn 18451]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

No one supports what Israel is doing to Gaza.

Define “no one.”

[Brian Fantana 6876]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

What do you expect people to say? 

No one supports what Israel is doing to Gaza. It’s horrific and they should stop. 

It's just interesting that no one wants to talk about this anymore now that it's abundantly clear how wrong it is.

Even the horny ass warmongers in the DT thread have stopped posting their dumbass ops tweets every day.

[Anastasis 23718]

  

 

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

No one supports what Israel is doing to Gaza

 

Senate just passed a $14.1B military aid package to Israel. We sure do have a funny way of doing certain things to stop it. 

 

Edited February 13 by Anastasis

[AnTiM 1696]

Amazing how long it takes for us to realize that all the talking in the world does absolutely nothing for solving a thousand year old problem.

[statsman 5701]

It is awful. It hurts to think about. 
 
How should it end? Hamas should surrender. Hamas fucked up (Iran helped them make the mistake). They picked a fight they can’t win, unless they can pressure Israel to stop. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and any Gazan civilians holding hostages should release them, if still alive. 
 
Israel is less restrained than before. There are more innocents being killed. They are not letting safety of hostages override all. It looks like this will continue until Hamas surrenders or is wiped out. I don’t see another choice between supporting Israel, supporting Hamas (cease fire), or doing nothing. I guess records can be made for future war crime trials…for both sides, for what good it will do  

What more is there to say?

 

Edited February 13 by statsman

[Brian Fantana 6876]

2 minutes ago, statsman said:

It is awful. It hurts to think about. 
 
How should it end? Hamas should surrender. Hamas fucked up (Iran helped them make the mistake). They picked a fight they can’t win, unless they can pressure Israel to stop. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and any Gazan civilians holding hostages should release them, if still alive. 
 
Israel is less restrained than before. There are more innocents being killed. They are not letting safety of hostages override all. It looks like this will continue until Hamas surrenders or is wiped out. I don’t see another choice between supporting Israel, supporting Hamas (cease fire), or doing nothing. I guess records can be made for future war crime trials…for both sides, for what good it will do  

What more is there to say?

 

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond to you, you absolute fucking idiot. You should say less. Everything you have posted on this topic has been riddled with half-truths, outright lies, and incredibly stupid conclusions.

You think supporting a cease fire is supporting Hamas? You fucking moron, stop posting. Fuck off. You are literal trash.

2 hours ago, AnTiM said:

Amazing how long it takes for us to realize that all the talking in the world does absolutely nothing for solving a thousand year old problem.

I will go ahead and lump this stupid fucking post in with the drivel from statsman as well.

[BrickHorn 18451]

1 hour ago, AnTiM said:

Amazing how long it takes for us to realize that all the talking in the world does absolutely nothing for solving a thousand year old problem.

For fuck’s sake. It’s not a thousand year old problem. 

Some of y'all need to stop watching Fox News and The 700 Club and start reading some history books. 

[DDD Dad 14663]

7 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond to you, you absolute fucking idiot. You should say less. Everything you have posted on this topic has been riddled with half-truths, outright lies, and incredibly stupid conclusions.

You think supporting a cease fire is supporting Hamas? You fucking moron, stop posting. Fuck off. You are literal trash.

I will go ahead and lump this stupid fucking post in with the drivel from statsman as well.

Well that was a measured response.

[Brian Fantana 6876]

Just now, DDD Dad said:

Well that was a measured response.

I've got no patience for bad faith posting on this specific topic, and I'm not going to mince words about it. If it bothers you that much, you're welcome to place me on ignore.

[DixonHur 11970]

6 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

For fuck’s sake. It’s not a thousand year old problem. 

Some of y'all need to stop watching Fox News and The 700 Club and start reading some history books. 

[DDD Dad 14663]

4 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I've got no patience for bad faith posting on this specific topic, and I'm not going to mince words about it. If it bothers you that much, you're welcome to place me on ignore.

I didn't consider his last response to be bad faith.  Misguided and simplistic, perhaps.  I can understand your disagreement with his opinion, especially given your personal attachment to and passion regarding this issue, but perhaps you might want to reflect on whether a kneejerk response like the last one was warranted.

[Skipper 6412]

20 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond to you, you absolute fucking idiot. You should say less. Everything you have posted on this topic has been riddled with half-truths, outright lies, and incredibly stupid conclusions.

This is why nobody posts in this thread.  It's turned into a group think circle jerk where any statement other than "Fuck Israel" is met with responses like this. 

[Brian Fantana 6876]

8 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I didn't consider his last response to be bad faith.  Misguided and simplistic, perhaps.  I can understand your disagreement with his opinion, especially given your personal attachment to and passion regarding this issue, but perhaps you might want to reflect on whether a kneejerk response like the last one was warranted.

Meh. He's essentially made the same post over and over and over in this thread. Despite being told repeatedly, by multiple posters, just how ignorant his perspective is (and gently at first mind you), it seems like he's just going to keep doing it. I have zero patience for it.

[DixonHur 11970]

3 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

Define “no one.”

Anyone with a brain who can see that Israel's response has not been proportional to the attacks on Oct. 7th.

It's like Groundhog day from 9/11. 

I said it then regarding the US use of force in Afghanistan (don't get me started about Iraq), and it applies to Israel in Gaza.  We should have relied entirely on special forces, and the CIA to root out Osama and Al Qaeda.  There was/is no reason to put the greater population in harm's way.  Too many civilians killed, leading to increased hatred toward the US/Israel, that will continue to stoke the flames of terrorism for decades to come.  

And at what cost?  How many civilian lives were lost?  How many dead and mangled soldiers?  How many trillions of dollars wasted?  And for what?  Ultimately it was the CIA and SEAL Team 6 that took out Bin Laden, as it should have been from the jump.

Israel is making the same mistake IMO.

Edited February 13 by DixonHur
Wrong date...oops

['stache 22148]

37 minutes ago, statsman said:

It is awful. It hurts to think about. 
 
How should it end? Hamas should surrender. Hamas fucked up (Iran helped them make the mistake). They picked a fight they can’t win, unless they can pressure Israel to stop. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and any Gazan civilians holding hostages should release them, if still alive. 
 
Israel is less restrained than before. There are more innocents being killed. They are not letting safety of hostages override all. It looks like this will continue until Hamas surrenders or is wiped out. I don’t see another choice between supporting Israel, supporting Hamas (cease fire), or doing nothing. I guess records can be made for future war crime trials…for both sides, for what good it will do  

What more is there to say?

 

The strategy should be to treat Hamas as terrorists and fight them as such, not full scale war against 2 million residents of Gaza. I compared it earlier to the U.S. approach (in theory) in Afghanistan. We weren't just bombing the shit out of every city because terrorists might be hiding there, we were strategic in targeting terrorists (again in theory). I've kind of checked out on this a bit, but I heard on the radio this morning that at least 27,000 Palestinians have been killed in the fighting. An article I saw in the Economist (I think, it was a reputable source) said that official members of Hamas are estimated at 30K to 35K. The dead are almost overwhelmingly not part of that group. It's is completely disproportionate and in my view the definition of "collective punishment" which is a war crime. The same clip from this morning said that over a million people are now in the refugee camps on the southern border town of Rafah, more in fact, they said it was about 60-70% of the population, and Israel's next move is to basically wipe them out with a ground offensive. Israel is literally wiping Palestinians off the map. It's infuriating that, even if Biden wanted to flat out call Israel war criminals, he is completely hamstrung by the overwhelming majority view of voters in this country that think Palestinian = Muslim = Terrorists = "they want to exterminate the Jews." That's just how it is, a temporary ceasefire is all that can be accomplished. I want to see Bibi hung in Brussels, on a live stream, in public, because he is pure evil, no different that Hamas at this point, but with real political power and the support of the western military powers.  

Edited February 13 by 'stache

[Brian Fantana 6876]

6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This is why nobody posts in this thread.  It's turned into a group think circle jerk where any statement other than "Fuck Israel" is met with responses like this. 

This is just objectively incorrect and literally anyone who has actually followed the thread will tell you the same.

[Neonmoon 38130]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

It's just interesting that no one wants to talk about this anymore now that it's abundantly clear how wrong it is.

Even the horny ass warmongers in the DT thread have stopped posting their dumbass ops tweets every day.

It was also interesting when Oct 7 happened, there were no outrage posts and condemnation from posters when it was abundantly clear how wrong that was

[Brian Fantana 6876]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Anyone with a brain who can see that Israel's response has not been proportional to the attacks on Oct. 8th.

It's like Groundhog day from 9/11. 

I said it then regarding the US use of force in Afghanistan (don't get me started about Iraq), and it applies to Israel in Gaza.  We should have relied entirely on special forces, and the CIA to root out Osama and Al Qaeda.  There was/is no reason to put the greater population in harm's way.  Too many civilians killed, leading to increased hatred toward the US/Israel, that will continue to stoke the flames of terrorism for decades to come.  

And at what cost?  How many civilian lives were lost?  How many dead and mangled soldiers?  How many trillions of dollars wasted?  And for what?  Ultimately it was the CIA and SEAL Team 6 that took out Bin Laden, as it should have been from the jump.

Israel is making the same mistake IMO.

I tried to make this comparison early on shortly after the attacks and got repeatedly screeched at for it.

The problem is, it's not a mistake (at least in their eyes), it's a deliberate strategy in furtherance of ethnic cleansing.

[Brian Fantana 6876]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

It was also interesting when Oct 7 happened, there were no outrage posts and condemnation from posters when it was abundantly clear how wrong that was

This is just untrue, man. Everybody, minus a small percentage of fringe degens, has repeatedly condemned the attacks. Including myself.

[Neonmoon 38130]

9 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is just untrue, man. Everybody, minus a small percentage of fringe degens, has repeatedly condemned the attacks. Including myself.

Your first posts after 10/7 were totally about condemnation and not “this is just what happens”

 

[BrickHorn 18451]

19 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Anyone with a brain who can see that Israel's response has not been proportional to the attacks on Oct. 7th.

The point of my question was not whether it would be reasonable to criticize Israel’s actions in Gaza, but rather to understand what makes you believe many (much less all) are critical of those actions. 

[DixonHur 11970]

2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The point of my question was not whether it would be reasonable to criticize Israel’s actions in Gaza, but rather to understand what makes you believe many (much less all) are critical of those actions. 

Understood.  But my comment still remains true.  It was not directed at you personally.

[Brian Fantana 6876]

20 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Your first posts after 10/7 were totally about condemnation and not “this is just what happens”

 

Yeah and guess what?

I still believe that clever and careful manipulation of Western leaders and media has led to the Western world easily outright dismissing the scores of dead Palestinian bodies that have piled up over the decades and the atrocities that are committed by the Israeli government regularly.

I still believe that Oct. 7th was absolutely a result of Israel reaping what it has sewn. I stand by the idea that violent backlash against a belligerent, violent occupier is an understandable/rational action.

That being said, I have and still do condemn Hamas and its deliberate targeting of civilians. They are disgusting right wing fundamentalists, much like Bibi's government on the Israeli side.

This is why I always say that you're just out for a gotcha on this specific topic, for whatever reason.

[Neonmoon 38130]

I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in the moral outrage. I'm not out to get anyone. 

Have a great day

[Bullneck 19577]

On 2/8/2024 at 10:58 AM, Boss Hogg said:

Again, it’s an existential fight for Israel. All that matters to them is winning. It doesn’t make what they’re doing right, but don’t be surprised by it.

Take it from one of our top generals in WW2  

Le May’s strategy was to “bomb and burn “em till they quit.” He once said, "I'll tell you what war is about. You've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough, they stop fighting." On another occasion he said, “I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal. Fortunately, we were on the winning side.”

This is Bibi's strategy.  

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

Want to know why Germany and Japan aren't a threat anymore?

[DixonHur 11970]

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

This is Bibi's strategy.  

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

Want to know why Germany and Japan aren't a threat anymore?

If you can't see the difference between Nazi Germany/Imperial Japan, and Gaza, there's no helping you.

[wildcat09 29601]

6 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

This is Bibi's strategy.  

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

Want to know why Germany and Japan aren't a threat anymore?

They're not a threat anymore because we removed their belligerents from power.

[Brisketexan 107040]

1 minute ago, Bullneck said:

This is Bibi's strategy.  

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

Want to know why Germany and Japan aren't a threat anymore?

Because they are nation states that could and did execute an instrument of unconditional surrender.....followed by a relatively benevolent occupation....including an unprecedented rebuilding plan funded and directed by their former foe.

So....the parallels to Israel v the Palestinian people (because that's clearly what Bibi is fighting) are.....pretty limited.

Bibi's approach is guaranteed to do one thing, long-term: create at least one, probably two, generations of Palestinians who hate Israel with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns.  His real goal is extermination of the Palestinians, but as Hitler showed us, full-on extermination is actually tough to accomplish.  It requires a full machinery of extermination.  Military force alone won't get you there.  So, Bibi is pursuing genocide, but not even effectively.  He'll get all of the negatives of trying to genocide your opponent without the only "benefit" (your opponent no longer exists).  It's not just evil, it's dumb and self-destructive.  But, that's what bad actors do.  Like Hamas.  Great move, guys.  You set in motion something that got tens of thousands of your people killed, and countless other lives destroyed/ruined.  Well-done.  So, fellas, how's this "campaign of genocide against our enemy" thing going for you?  Seems...not so great.

[BurgleBro 983]

4 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

7 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

This is Bibi's strategy.  

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

Want to know why Germany and Japan aren't a threat anymore?

 

 

Seemingly so.  My arm chair opinion is that this will backfire far beyond their worst expectations. 

[Brisketexan 107040]

Just now, BurgleBro said:

 

Seemingly so.  My arm chair opinion is that this will backfire far beyond their worst expectations. 

It will.  It doesn't even require complex thinking.

Just ask yourself "if I was a Palestinian resident of Gaza, after the events of the past months, what would I want to do regarding Israel?"  If your answer isn't "lash out to cause as much pain as possible wherever possible against anyone remotely associated with or supporting Israel," you are lying.  Bibi's plan might as well be titled "How to Create Generations of Terrorists to replace the few Terrorists that You Just Killed, and Then Some."

[Brian Fantana 6876]

15 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I'm just pointing out inconsistencies in the moral outrage. I'm not out to get anyone. 

Have a great day

So I just looked back, and on the same fucking day of the 2nd post you screenshotted, I made multiple posts pointing out that Hamas' deliberate targeting of civilians was wrong, including this one:

I'm struggling to see the supposed inconsistencies of my position.

[Skipper 6412]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It will.  It doesn't even require complex thinking.

Just ask yourself "if I was a Palestinian resident of Gaza, after the events of the past months, what would I want to do regarding Israel?"  If your answer isn't "lash out to cause as much pain as possible wherever possible against anyone remotely associated with or supporting Israel," you are lying.  Bibi's plan might as well be titled "How to Create Generations of Terrorists to replace the few Terrorists that You Just Killed, and Then Some."

I've never understood Hamas' actual strategy or goal with respect to the 10/7 attack but maybe you just articulated it.  Get Israel to kill as many Palestinians as possible to extend multi-generational jihad.  Which would also explain to date their approach to recent cease-fire negotiations.

[Brian Fantana 6876]

Just now, Skipper said:

I've never understood Hamas' actual strategy or goal with respect to the 10/7 attack but maybe you just articulated it.  Get Israel to kill as many Palestinians as possible to extend multi-generational jihad.  Which would also explain to date their approach to recent cease-fire negotiations.

It goes deeper than this on a global geopolitical level, but the lead up, the attacks on 10/7, and the response of Israel really just plainly illustrate the reality of the situation:

Hamas needs a government like Bibi's in order to justify their existence and hold onto power, and Bibi needs Hamas effectively for the exact same reason, with differing goals of course. It's a vicious ouroboros.

[bolverk 30376]

3 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I've never understood Hamas' actual strategy or goal with respect to the 10/7 attack but maybe you just articulated it.  Get Israel to kill as many Palestinians as possible to extend multi-generational jihad.  Which would also explain to date their approach to recent cease-fire negotiations.

I don't get it either because the Israeli government and settlers are doing well enough on their own to continue ramping up hatred.

For example, the speed at which settlers are colonizing the West Bank is accelerating. For those who pretend to think that Israel just wants to be left alone in peace and that Palestinians are the real problem, look no further than how people are actually voting with their feet by attempting to occupy the land "from the river to the sea" as three NEW settlements are planned.

 

Israel’s West Bank settler population grew nearly 3%. Supporters say Gaza war could give new push

JERUSALEM (AP) — The population of Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank grew nearly 3% in 2023, according to a new report based on population statistics from the Israeli government.

The report, released Sunday by the pro-settler group WestBankJewishPopulationStats.com, found the settler population jumped to 517,407 as of Dec. 31, from 502,991 a year earlier.

The settler population has grown over 15% in the last five years, the report said. Last year, it passed the half-million mark, a major threshold.

This year’s report predicted “accelerated growth” in the coming years, claiming the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel, which triggered the current war in Gaza, persuaded many Israelis who were formerly opposed to settlement-building on occupied land to change positions.

“Serious cracks have indeed developed in the wall of opposition to Jewish settlement of the West Bank,” it said.

Israel captured the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza Strip in the 1967 Mideast war. The Palestinians seek all three areas for an independent state.

The international community overwhelmingly considers Israel’s settlements to be illegal and obstacles to peace by occupying land the Palestinians seek for their state. Israel considers the West Bank to be “disputed” and says the territory’s fate should be decided in negotiations. The Biden administration recently sanctioned four settlers for violence against Palestinians and activists in the West Bank.

The report projected that if the growth rate over the past five years continues, the settler population in the West Bank will exceed 600,000 before 2030.

The report did not include population figures for east Jerusalem, where more than 200,000 Israelis live in settlements that Israel considers to be neighborhoods of its capital. The Palestinians claim east Jerusalem as their would-be capital.

Israel’s government is dominated by settler leaders and supporters. The Israeli watchdog group Terrestrial Jerusalem says that since the start of Israel’s war in Gaza on Oct. 7, three settlement plans were either approved or are about to be approved in east Jerusalem.

Terrestrial Jerusalem called the speed of settlement approval processes over the last few months “frenetic.”

The report comes as a spasm of violence grips the West Bank.

Since the Hamas attack on Oct. 7, Israel has held the West Bank under a tight grip — limiting movement and conducting frequent raids on what it says are militant targets.

Palestinian health officials say 391 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire in the West Bank during that period. Most have been killed in clashes with Israeli forces. But the Israeli rights group Yesh Din says settlers shot and killed nine Palestinians in just the first month and a half of the war, among 225 incidents of Israeli civilian violence the group documented during that time.

[BrickHorn 18451]

39 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

What a fucked up shitty perspective. 

[DixonHur 11970]

23 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I don't get it either because the Israeli government and settlers are doing well enough on their own to continue ramping up hatred.

For example, the speed at which settlers are colonizing the West Bank is accelerating. For those who pretend to think that Israel just wants to be left alone in peace and that Palestinians are the real problem, look no further than how people are actually voting with their feet by attempting to occupy the land "from the river to the sea" as three NEW settlements are planned.

 

Israel’s West Bank settler population grew nearly 3%. Supporters say Gaza war could give new push

JERUSALEM (AP) — The population of Israeli settlers in the occupied West Bank grew nearly 3% in 2023, according to a new report based on population statistics from the Israeli government.

The report, released Sunday by the pro-settler group WestBankJewishPopulationStats.com, found the settler population jumped to 517,407 as of Dec. 31, from 502,991 a year earlier.

The settler population has grown over 15% in the last five years, the report said. Last year, it passed the half-million mark, a major threshold.

This year’s report predicted “accelerated growth” in the coming years, claiming the Oct. 7 Hamas attack on southern Israel, which triggered the current war in Gaza, persuaded many Israelis who were formerly opposed to settlement-building on occupied land to change positions.

“Serious cracks have indeed developed in the wall of opposition to Jewish settlement of the West Bank,” it said.

Israel captured the West Bank, east Jerusalem and Gaza Strip in the 1967 Mideast war. The Palestinians seek all three areas for an independent state.

The international community overwhelmingly considers Israel’s settlements to be illegal and obstacles to peace by occupying land the Palestinians seek for their state. Israel considers the West Bank to be “disputed” and says the territory’s fate should be decided in negotiations. The Biden administration recently sanctioned four settlers for violence against Palestinians and activists in the West Bank.

The report projected that if the growth rate over the past five years continues, the settler population in the West Bank will exceed 600,000 before 2030.

The report did not include population figures for east Jerusalem, where more than 200,000 Israelis live in settlements that Israel considers to be neighborhoods of its capital. The Palestinians claim east Jerusalem as their would-be capital.

Israel’s government is dominated by settler leaders and supporters. The Israeli watchdog group Terrestrial Jerusalem says that since the start of Israel’s war in Gaza on Oct. 7, three settlement plans were either approved or are about to be approved in east Jerusalem.

Terrestrial Jerusalem called the speed of settlement approval processes over the last few months “frenetic.”

The report comes as a spasm of violence grips the West Bank.

Since the Hamas attack on Oct. 7, Israel has held the West Bank under a tight grip — limiting movement and conducting frequent raids on what it says are militant targets.

Palestinian health officials say 391 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire in the West Bank during that period. Most have been killed in clashes with Israeli forces. But the Israeli rights group Yesh Din says settlers shot and killed nine Palestinians in just the first month and a half of the war, among 225 incidents of Israeli civilian violence the group documented during that time.

What do they call that where you keep doing the same thing, while expecting different results?  It's on the tip of my tongue...

[hobbes2702 13510]

2 hours ago, Skipper said:

This is why nobody posts in this thread.  It's turned into a group think circle jerk where any statement other than "Fuck Israel" is met with responses like this. 

This thread has not been even remotely pro Gaza. Thats absolutely fiction.

[Bullneck 19577]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

If you can't see the difference between Nazi Germany/Imperial Japan, and Gaza, there's no helping you.

You can't help me.

But it's not for the reasons you think.

1 hour ago, BurgleBro said:

 

Seemingly so.  My arm chair opinion is that this will backfire far beyond their worst expectations. 

Maybe.  I have no idea. 

Bibi looks like he's going to do his thing and remind all Jews that the world has been pretty merciless when dealing with them.  He's not trying to be anyone's friend.  Here's some light reading: https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-the-st-louis

And since my first post on this thread in some time seems to have generated some reactions, I'm not saying I agree with what is going on or Bibi is a good leader in any respect.  Just pointing out what I see.  

Edited February 13 by Bullneck

[Bullneck 19577]

27 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

What a fucked up shitty perspective. 

Talk to Bibi then.  I don't have a dog in this fight.  Just pointing out what has happened and what will happen.

59 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

They're not a threat anymore because we removed their belligerents from power.

That, and we killed anyone who thought fighting was a good idea.

 

Edited February 13 by Bullneck

[dieucla98 2963]

10 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

What do they call that where you keep doing the same thing, while expecting different results?  It's on the tip of my tongue...

Aggie.

[statsman 5701]

Why did Hamas enact 10-7?

Hamas gets a lot of funding (and most of its ordnance) from Iran. Iran is working a lot of projects (countering SA, taking control of waterways, supporting Russia in Ukraine, who knows what in Syria). They’re getting regional blowback. There’s nothing that works to pull all the regional militants together, like a good fight with Israel.  
 
Sorry Gazans. You thought this was going to be about you. You’re there to serve Teheran’s needs. 

Edited February 13 by statsman

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

So I just looked back, and on the same fucking day of the 2nd post you screenshotted, I made multiple posts pointing out that Hamas' deliberate targeting of civilians was wrong, including this one:

I'm struggling to see the supposed inconsistencies of my position.

I stand corrected. 

['stache 22148]

1 hour ago, Bullneck said:

This is Bibi's strategy.  

He's going to beat Gaza to death, and even if they live they'll never forget how bad it was and they'll never do anything to repeat it.

Want to know why Germany and Japan aren't a threat anymore?

The 1.2 million Palestinians stuck in Rafah who are about to get mowed down like fish in a barrel aren't the ones who committed 10/7. Hamas has shown time and time again that they are not concerned with Gaza civilians, that's not their prerogative, and mowing down civilians isn't going to stop terrorism, because by definition, terrorists don't give a shit. The most basic difference with Germany and Japan have already been stated, and is obvious to anyone who gives it a modicum of thought. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

34 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

What do they call that where you keep doing the same thing, while expecting different results?  It's on the tip of my tongue...

Tom Herman?

['stache 22148]

3 minutes ago, statsman said:

Why did Hamas enact 10-7?

Hamas gets a lot of funding (and most of its ordnance) from Iran. Iran is working a lot of projects (countering SA, taking control of waterways, supporting Russia in Ukraine, who knows what in Syria). They’re getting regional blowback. There’s nothing that works to pull all the regional militants together, like a good fight with Israel.  
 
Sorry Gazans. You thought this was going to be about you. You’re there to serve Teheran’s needs. 

Because they're terrorists, full stop. Their intent was to terrorize. The other stuff is part of the bigger picture, but Gaza resident's are caught in the crossfire, and it's not antisemitic to think Israel's disproportionate response it's wrong, evil, and a war crime. Bibi's intent is not to wipe out the terrorists, it's the opposite, to create more of them so that they can always use "security" as a reason to oppress and eventually take over Gaza and the West Bank. 

[statsman 5701]

I’m circling back to the Iran thing. 
 
Anyone want to argue that the Islamic Republic isn’t anti-Semitic?

Iran shares no border with Israel. They have no economic or diplomatic relationship. Yet, Iran has been using its IRG to kill Jews since the ‘80s, and not just in Israel. They’ll kill senior Jewish Argentinians, they’ll kill any they can, wherever. 
 
Which means- Israel has decided Iran cannot have nukes. To Israel, a nuclear armed Iran is an existential threat, because those motherfuckers will use them. They’ve displayed with Hezbollah and Hamas that they’ll launch missiles at Israel indiscriminately, from the north and the south. This decision by Israel has made the study of physics, in Iran, a very dangerous curriculum, because Israel will murder Iranian atomic scientists. 
 
Iran is just loving all this shit going on. 

Edited February 13 by statsman

[Anastasis 23718]

3 hours ago, 'stache said:

It's infuriating that, even if Biden wanted to flat out call Israel war criminals, he is completely hamstrung by the overwhelming majority view of voters in this country that think Palestinian = Muslim = Terrorists = "they want to exterminate the Jews." That's just how it is, a temporary ceasefire is all that can be accomplished.

We’ve expedited arms shipments under emergency provisions. We continue to drop more arms into the situation. A ceasefire would be one of the best short term outcomes, but we could maybe also consider just not sending more weapons that will used by Israel to execute their ethnic cleaning operation. The reality is that we are increasing complicit in what is going down in Gaza. 

Edited February 13 by Anastasis

[Bullneck 19577]

25 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The 1.2 million Palestinians stuck in Rafah who are about to get mowed down like fish in a barrel aren't the ones who committed 10/7. Hamas has shown time and time again that they are not concerned with Gaza civilians, that's not their prerogative, and mowing down civilians isn't going to stop terrorism, because by definition, terrorists don't give a shit. The most basic difference with Germany and Japan have already been stated, and is obvious to anyone who gives it a modicum of thought. 

Is this aimed at me?  

Yes, I know a war crime when I see one.  That doesn't stop war crimes.

Pages and pages ago someone said 10/7 was like a Comanche raid.  It was things like Comanche raids that gave rise to sayings like, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."  Were white settlers right or wrong for taking people's land?  We would have to say that's wrong, correct?

Again, I'm just observing what I'm seeing.  I don't have a dog in the fight.  Don't direct your anger or helplessness my way.  

Edited February 13 by Bullneck