Israel

[Captainant 28535]

16 hours ago, 'stache said:

No worries, the left flank got Biden-Harris fired for good, so in a few months there won't be any Gazans to really worry about, because they'll all be dead. Good work everyone. FJB, amirite?

I really do believe that BigTech and social media - particularly TikTok and Twitter - played a huge role in driving voter apathy that kept (D) voters home. They can pump out SO MUCH microtargetted disinformation that exactly targets the cleavage points in our society

[Goofyboy 3432]

Apparently Turkey no longer recognizes Israel.

This is fine. I’m sure everything is fine.

[Captainant 28535]

18 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

Apparently Turkey no longer recognizes Israel.

This is fine. I’m sure everything is fine.

Super early reporting, but decently factual outlets are corroborating

https://www.newsweek.com/turkey-cuts-off-relations-israel-1985013

[mchookem 16765]

[PRONG HORN 3219]

17 hours ago, Captainant said:

I really do believe that BigTech and social media - particularly TikTok and Twitter - played a huge role in driving voter apathy that kept (D) voters home. They can pump out SO MUCH microtargetted disinformation that exactly targets the cleavage points in our society

 

 

Do you think that the Ds were overconfident because of X and TikTok?  

 

 

[Goofyboy 3432]

 
 
Do you think that the Ds were overconfident because of X and TikTok?  
 
 

X no idea. As for TikTok - there was legit hope, but everyone I follow had a feeling it would be tight one way or the other. The push to get Dems out to vote was the big narrative.

Now - that was in my very focused silo I’ve worked hard to create. I’m sure the algorithm was different for others.

[Captainant 28535]

2 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

X no idea. As for TikTok - there was legit hope, but everyone I follow had a feeling it would be tight one way or the other. The push to get Dems out to vote was the big narrative.

Now - that was in my very focused silo I’ve worked hard to create. I’m sure the algorithm was different for others.

Tiktok is one hell of an algorithmic black hole. What you're seeing is wildly different everyone else's feed - the micro targeting is exquisite. 

God bless Peter Theil and his Palantir for maintaining a data marketplace that enables such wonderful features!

[RomaVicta 30578]

Yay! We gave the moral high ground to Turkey on an issue of possible genocide! 

I don't like the application of the word "genocide," so I'll stick to calling it a slaughter. There's small solace in knowing the Dem administration will be handing the baton off to whatever clown Trump has as Secretary of State. 

Oh well.

[chainsaw 10289]

 

[Anastasis 23717]

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
 

Today, on 21 November 2024, Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court (‘Court’), in its composition for the Situation in the State of Palestine, unanimously issued two decisions rejecting challenges by the State of Israel (‘Israel’) brought under articles 18 and 19 of the Rome Statute (the ‘Statute’). It also issued warrants of arrest for Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant.

[bolverk 30323]

Bibi is now subject to arrest in any of the green countries under the Rome Statute if he visits any of them.

[chainsaw 10289]

The Rome Statute, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose

[Biff Tannen 46164]

1 hour ago, bolverk said:

Bibi is now subject to arrest in any of the green countries under the Rome Statute if he visits any of them.

Sooooo why not the US?  Oh right.

[Brian Fantana 6865]

Is this antisemitism? I can't tell

[RomaVicta 30578]

34 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Sooooo why not the US?  Oh right.

Henry Kissinger would have had to flee to (checks chart) maybe China? The western hemisphere is out even if they don't honor the statute.

[RomaVicta 30578]

 

[PRONG HORN 3219]

 

Some people are confused about the difference between the good guys, and the bad guys.  

 

 

 

[chainsaw 10289]

Just out of curiosity, what crimes would you charge them with?

[InkaUtexas 26869]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Just out of curiosity, what crimes would you charge them with?

These are the 11 crimes.

• Murder
• Extermination
• Enslavement
• Deportation or forcible transfer of population
• Imprisonment
• Torture
• Sexual violence
• Persecution against an identifiable group
• Enforced disappearance of persons
• The crime of apartheid
• Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health

Assad, all of them. Kim, most. Apartheid would be a tough one. Imans (I think the Revolutionary Council should be held accountable) all of them.

[chainsaw 10289]

49 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

These are the 11 crimes.

• Murder
• Extermination
• Enslavement
• Deportation or forcible transfer of population
• Imprisonment
• Torture
• Sexual violence
• Persecution against an identifiable group
• Enforced disappearance of persons
• The crime of apartheid
• Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health

Assad, all of them. Kim, most. Apartheid would be a tough one. Imans (I think the Revolutionary Council should be held accountable) all of them.

These seem suspiciously broad. I'm not saying they're good guys (they're not) but I have a hard time believing the ICC is just playing favorites here.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

These seem suspiciously broad. I'm not saying they're good guys (they're not) but I have a hard time believing the ICC is just playing favorites here.

Those are the crimes when state sanctioned.

At the end of the day it is a  court to make certain groups feel like their are doing something. You know, like lawyers.

 

[Captainant 28535]

2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

• Murder
• Extermination
• Enslavement
• Deportation or forcible transfer of population
• Imprisonment
• Torture
• Sexual violence
• Persecution against an identifiable group
• Enforced disappearance of persons
• The crime of apartheid
• Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health

[softlynow 1894]

48 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Those are the crimes when state sanctioned.

At the end of the day it is a  court to make certain groups feel like their are doing something. You know, like lawyers.

 

We never feel good about anything. Most of what we do, we either immediately or eventually regret. The group you're looking for is elderly nightly news watchers. Also high school government teachers.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

4 minutes ago, softlynow said:

We never feel good about anything. Most of what we do, we either immediately or eventually regret. The group you're looking for is elderly nightly news watchers. Also high school government teachers.

Oh, you have not been around humanitarian lawyers I see.

[softlynow 1894]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

Oh, you have not been around humanitarian lawyers I see.

There was one?

[InkaUtexas 26869]

Just now, softlynow said:

There was one?

Universities of them. John Jay school comes to mind. Georgetown, etc.

Hell, even one or two might have slipped through Texas. There were a few who wanted that path when in ILAS.

[softlynow 1894]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Universities of them. John Jay school comes to mind. Georgetown, etc.

Hell, even one or two might have slipped through Texas. There were a few who wanted that path when in ILAS.

If we're going the serious route, I took classes from 2 of them. After hours, they reach for the bottle as much as any of us.

[Rex Kramer 1536]

4 hours ago, chainsaw said:

Just out of curiosity, what crimes would you charge them with?

Kim Jong Un’s haircut is a crime against humanity. That and he’s murdered threats to his position with anti-aircraft guns. 

ICC is a joke as are these arrest warrants. 

[Foosters 18279]

4 hours ago, PRONG HORN said:

 

Some people are confused about the difference between the good guys, and the bad guys.  

 

 

 

agreed. remember when you were posting tweets from Pro-Putin accounts all the way back to . . .yesterday?

[Rex Kramer 1536]

3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

These are the 11 crimes.

• Murder
• Extermination
• Enslavement
• Deportation or forcible transfer of population
• Imprisonment
• Torture
• Sexual violence
• Persecution against an identifiable group
• Enforced disappearance of persons
• The crime of apartheid
• Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health

Assad, all of them. Kim, most. Apartheid would be a tough one. Imans (I think the Revolutionary Council should be held accountable) all of them.

[RomaVicta 30578]

25 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I needed that dark laugh. Thank you.

[Rex Kramer 1536]

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

I have a hard time believing the ICC is just playing favorites here.

[Brian Fantana 6865]

48 minutes ago, Foosters said:

agreed. remember when you were posting tweets from Pro-Putin accounts all the way back to . . .yesterday?

He posted a tweet from this straight up Nazi account in the pedo thread in DT:

Anyway, nice to see Rex being Bibi's ride or die as usual. Love that some things never change.

[chainsaw 10289]

40 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

you're probably right they love Kim Jong Un

[Brian Fantana 6865]

3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

These are the 11 crimes.

• Murder
• Extermination
• Enslavement
• Deportation or forcible transfer of population
• Imprisonment
• Torture
• Sexual violence
• Persecution against an identifiable group
• Enforced disappearance of persons
• The crime of apartheid
• Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health

Assad, all of them. Kim, most. Apartheid would be a tough one. Imans (I think the Revolutionary Council should be held accountable) all of them.

I agree with you, for sure. I don't think that the perspective that certain people are offering, that the arrest warrants are invalid because they didn't also issue arrest warrants for every other shitty person in the world, is a good one.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

1 minute ago, Brian Fantana said:

I agree with you, for sure. I don't think that the perspective that certain people are offering, that the arrest warrants are invalid because they didn't also issue arrest warrants for every other shitty person in the world, is a good one.

The ICC is fucked.  Assad is not listed since Syria does not participate. It means not a damn thing. Bashir (Sudan) had no problem traveling around Africa and the ME when under indictment.

Want it to have meat? Go after the kids of those listed. Go after their business partners. Not unilateral sanctions AND the ICC.

Bibi will see zero jail time. It is a band aid feel good for certain sectors. See, See, we are serious about war crimes. Bull shit

[Brian Fantana 6865]

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

The ICC is fucked.  Assad is not listed since Syria does not participate. It means not a damn thing. Bashir (Sudan) had no problem traveling around Africa and the ME when under indictment.

Want it to have meat? Go after the kids of those listed. Go after their business partners. Not unilateral sanctions AND the ICC.

Bibi will see zero jail time. It is a band aid feel good for certain sectors. See, See, we are serious about war crimes. Bull shit

Yeah I mean obviously there is no meat here. I'm more referring to all the freaks (including United States senators) bleating about how we should invade the Hague over this. Who gives a shit? It's just another way to demonstrate displeasure with Israel's actions.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

2 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Yeah I mean obviously there is no meat here. I'm more referring to all the freaks (including United States senators) bleating about how we should invade the Hague over this. Who gives a shit? It's just another way to demonstrate displeasure with Israel's actions.

That we don't have a vote on. We are not a member.

Maybe we can go get Kony one of these days. Or someone can.

Anyways, the why is not news.

[RomaVicta 30578]

10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges
 

Today, on 21 November 2024, Pre-Trial Chamber I of the International Criminal Court (‘Court’), in its composition for the Situation in the State of Palestine, unanimously issued two decisions rejecting challenges by the State of Israel (‘Israel’) brought under articles 18 and 19 of the Rome Statute (the ‘Statute’). It also issued warrants of arrest for Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant.

For those quibbling about no consequences:

Quote

The Chamber issued warrants of arrest for two individuals, Mr Benjamin Netanyahu and Mr Yoav Gallant, for crimes against humanity and war crimes

"Alleged War Criminal and Criminal Against Humanity Ben Netanyaju" is not a favorable epithet for a leader much of the world believes to be just those things. This is now quotable by the credible world press which is generally timid about such proclamations even when they document them in person. Now they can quote the court.

[Rex Kramer 1536]

53 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

you're probably right they love Kim Jong Un

Kim Jong Un, Khamenei, and Assad don’t ruffle the feathers of the ICC like Israel. Israel has been pretty much at war with ICC, which is a joke organization, for 10 years. That doesn’t help. We did the right thing by never ratifying the Rome Statute. 

[InkaUtexas 26869]

26 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

For those quibbling about no consequences:

"Alleged War Criminal and Criminal Against Humanity Ben Netanyaju" is not a favorable epithet for a leader much of the world believes to be just those things. This is now quotable by the credible world press which is generally timid about such proclamations even when they document them in person. Now they can quote the court.

Depends where he is buried. Could become a pilgrimage site.

[chainsaw 10289]

2 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

Kim Jong Un, Khamenei, and Assad don’t ruffle the feathers of the ICC like Israel. Israel has been pretty much at war with ICC, which is a joke organization, for 10 years. That doesn’t help. We did the right thing by never ratifying the Rome Statute. 

Have they killed nearly as many women and children? We should expect better from a supposed ally.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

30 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Have they killed nearly as many women and children? We should expect better from a supposed ally.

Assad, for sure. Kim, probably adding in starvation. Khameni, no. Not directly. But under the history of the Revolutionary Council, probably.

Agree our allies should do better. We pick shitty ones some times.

But don't matter. ICC is a toothless animal unless you are serbian.

[chainsaw 10289]

I agree he probably won't be convicted, but this is still a big deal. I can't remember any US ally having an arrest warrant issued for them over the loud objections of the US. It has symbolic value and decreases the legitimacy of the US government's smear campaign against the growing movement worldwide in opposition to the genocide.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

Optics, ok, sure. Really? Nope. What is going to change? He cannot go to Mauritius? This won't stop shit. Main reason- ICC has no teeth. I mean, they did not arrest the ex-Leader of Sudan. He did commit genocide for a long ass time. Crickets. And events in Sudan continue today as bad as they before.

Does this stop the Gulf States from trading with Israel? I mean there are container ships leaving Israel everyday to ports around the globe. Do you see a worldwide real boycott against them like South Africa faced?

The war in Gaza will continue until one thing is too much for one group of the other. Pain. It really sucks, but looking at something like this, emotions are rarely correct. Another one that meant nothing. Land mine bans. Did not mean shit. It made Princess Diana look cool and that she gave a fuck, but did not change the world. Neither will the ICC.

Edited November 22 by InkaUtexas

[chainsaw 10289]

I don't think it's been crickets for Sudan, actually. The culprits first need to set foot in a Rome Statute nation.

[InkaUtexas 26869]

21 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I don't think it's been crickets for Sudan, actually. The culprits first need to set foot in a Rome Statute nation.

When is the last time you heard about El Fasher? I am sure it is daily discussion in your circle, but not many know what is going on there.

And the Pres went to South Africa. Was a pretty big deal at the time.

What big dictators/leaders has the ICC grabbed that were not Serb? The reason I point that out is usually it was NATO that found and arrested them. They don't do that in many places.

Anyways, don't want to keep discussing why it is toothless. But you can read the stuff in the spoiler if you want. And I do think Bibi is a war criminal. Just don't think the ICC will do anything and he really does not care.

Spoiler

Bashir- Sudan

Al-Bashir was the first sitting head of state ever indicted by the ICC.^[24] However, the Arab League^[136] and the African Union condemned the warrant. Following the indictment Al-Bashir visited China,^[137] Djibouti,^[138][139] Egypt, Ethiopia, India,^[140] Libya,^[141][142] Nigeria,^[143] Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and several other countries, all of which refused to have him arrested. ICC member state Chad also refused to arrest al-Bashir during a state visit in July 2010.^[144] He was also invited to attend conferences in Denmark^[145] and Turkey.^[146] On 28 November 2011, following a visit to Kenya, Kenya's High Court Judge Nicholas Ombija ordered the Minister of Internal Security to arrest al-Bashir, "should he set foot in Kenya in the future".^[147] In June 2015, while in South Africa for an African Union meeting, al-Bashir was prohibited from leaving that country while a court decided whether he should be handed over to the ICC for war crimes.^[148] He, nevertheless, was allowed to leave South Africa soon afterward.^[149] Luis Moreno Ocampo and Amnesty International claimed that al-Bashir's plane could be intercepted in International Airspace. Sudan announced that the presidential plane would always be escorted by fighter jets of the Sudanese Air Force to prevent his arrest. In March 2009, just before al-Bashir's visit to Qatar, the Sudanese government was reportedly considering sending fighter jets to accompany his plane to Qatar, possibly in response to France expressing support for an operation to intercept his plane in international airspace, as France has military bases in Djibouti and the United Arab Emirates.^[150

 

 

[PRONG HORN 3219]

 

 

 

I don't know how old this clip of a Palestinian speaker is, but there's something @ 1:21-1:27 that is relevant to all the genocide talk.  

 

 

 

[956 Worldwide 35592]

lol at resident Middle East understanders asking if Assad really killed that many women and children. 

[Brian Fantana 6865]

12 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Just don't think the ICC will do anything and he really does not care.

Boils down to this. It is a statement, nothing more. He won't visit any of those countries, anyway.