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[bad_teammate 13320]

Israel out here murdering people for no reason.

 

 

[Ragnarok 103]

Or more likely he was murdered by Palestinians because they wanted a story to make Israel look bad.

[Parliament 14388]

Or maybe he was in a dangerous place and even though he meant good; he got shot.

[David Dennison 19131]

12 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

Or more likely he was murdered by Palestinians because they wanted a story to make Israel look bad.

Or maybe he's a crisis actor and isn't dead at all.

[Hagbard Celine 11006]

I'm giving politics a try after a 10-year embargo at our prior venue.  So if certain things have been covered previously my apologies.

We're well in to the 2nd page here and no one has used the words shia or sunni so I'm going to recommend 3 hours of FRONTLINE that are imho necessary to discuss why Israel is Good for Business.

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“When elephants fight, it’s the grass that suffers,” Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace tells FRONTLINE. “And in today’s Middle East, the two elephants are Iran and Saudi Arabia. There’s been over a million casualties in the Middle East over the last decade. But they’ve been Syrian. They’ve been Yemeni. They’ve been Iraqi. Iranian and Saudi citizens aren’t the ones that are suffering.”

http://www.pbs.org/video/bitter-rivals-iran-and-saudi-arabia-pqsnhk/

http://www.pbs.org/video/bitter-rivals-iran-and-saudi-arabia-part-two-ka4dlm/

[Hagbard Celine 11006]

Please ignore the video title and give this one a try.... it's an interview of the 4th Baron Rothschild about the 1917 Balfour Declaration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a52UnkY_wqU

 

[Brian Fantana 6711]

3 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

Or more likely he was murdered by Palestinians because they wanted a story to make Israel look bad.

The only way Israel could possibly look worse is straight genocide.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11829]

Maybe they should build a wall. Worked for Germany.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11829]

Those theocracy walls are particularly effective. 

[bad_teammate 13320]

2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

Please ignore the video title and give this one a try.... it's an interview of the 4th Baron Rothschild about the 1917 Balfour Declaration.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a52UnkY_wqU

 

Great video, thanks for posting it.

[Chrispy 132]

6 hours ago, Ragnarok said:

Or more likely he was murdered by Palestinians because they wanted a story to make Israel look bad.

There’s a reason the primary reaction to that story is an insouciant shrug. The irony of crying foul, when Hamas has regularly served women and children up as cannon fodder, isn’t lost on anyone. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Chrispy said:

There’s a reason the primary reaction to that story is an insouciant shrug. The irony of crying foul, when Hamas has regularly served women and children up as cannon fodder, isn’t lost on anyone. 

Oh yes it is. The poor poor little persecuted Hamas.   Plenty of blame to go around here, but Hamas is a terrorist org first and last, and it  cares less about dead Palestinians than dead Israelis.

[In10se 175]

The Jews did this??

[HtownHorn 14938]

Israel might have attacked Syria. Taking out a base that Iran might have used as a staging point for drone attacks.

[David Dennison 19131]

3 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Oh yes it is. The poor poor little persecuted Hamas.   Plenty of blame to go around here, but Hamas is a terrorist org first and last, and it  cares less about dead Palestinians than dead Israelis.

The thing that's great about Israel is that they weren't afraid to elect a terrorist as their prime minister. 

[Fozzz 152]

lmao Bibi congratulated Orban on his election victory.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/983314301996945408

Edited April 9, 2018 by Fozzz

[zork 629]

14 hours ago, Fozzz said:

lmao Bibi congratulated Orban on his election victory.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/983314301996945408

Seems like it needs a separate thread.  Hungary clearly spoke with their election results.  I say good for them.  They didn't make the same mistake that Germany did only to regret it 8-12 months too late.

[MaybeACoordinator 8350]

56 minutes ago, zork said:

Seems like it needs a separate thread.  Hungary clearly spoke with their election results.  I say good for them.  They didn't make the same mistake that Germany did only to regret it 8-12 months too late.

The last time Germany went far right / nationalist, they didn't regret it until it was 12 years too late. 

[zork 629]

6 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

The last time Germany went far right / nationalist, they didn't regret it until it was 12 years too late. 

I'm referring to Merkel's near complete about-face on immigration after she couldn't get a coalition together.(reportedly)

Edited April 10, 2018 by zork

[Pods 7595]

1 hour ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

The last time Germany went far right / nationalist, they didn't regret it until it was 12 years too late. 

Yup, and the entire planet had already been given cause to regret it by that point.

[Fozzz 152]

10 hours ago, zork said:

Seems like it needs a separate thread.  Hungary clearly spoke with their election results.  I say good for them.  They didn't make the same mistake that Germany did only to regret it 8-12 months too late.

You don't see the irony of Bibi congratulating the candidate of an openly antisemitic party who scapegoated a Jew for all of Hungary's problems?

[zork 629]

1 hour ago, Fozzz said:

You don't see the irony of Bibi congratulating the candidate of an openly antisemitic party who scapegoated a Jew for all of Hungary's problems?

Clearly Hungary was not wanting any settlement of immigrants from the Middle East. (none from the mass influx allowed)  I am unclear on the normal Hungarian immigration policy via VISA processes, etc.  They appear to be quite restrictive which is not really unique, is it?  

 Sure Middle Easterners are largely Semitic peoples whether Jewish or Arab.(not sure on Persians)  

 

From this definition anyone speaking a language like Arabic could be considered a Semite.  I did not know that. /Johnny Carson

 

edit:  I see now that you are referring to all of Hungary making Soros the bogeyman.  He is clearly not your common Jewish person given his history during WWII reportedly working for the Nazis to save his own life.(not that I blame him per se, but facts are facts)

 

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-orban-blames-all-of-hungary-s-problems-on-a-jew-and-wins-big-1.5980517

Edited April 10, 2018 by zork

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

Can this just be the WW3 thread?

Oh right it isn't branded as war anymore, just actions and operations.

[Brian Fantana 6711]

No one gives a shit

[zork 629]

1 hour ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

uCan this just be the WW3 thread?

Oh right it isn't branded as war anymore, just actions and operations.

It is unfortunate that the people from the Palestinian public were influenced to do the suicidal rush into the highly defended fence area.  Tragic actually.  The hubris to think they could break through the fence to infiltrate their homeland was fantasy.  It was clearly designed to make Israel look bad by Hamas.  That is easy to see by pushing the under 18 crowd towards the fence.(unforgivable)

Isreal is going to protect their territory.  They gave back the Gaza territory when they didn't have to do so.  The Palestinians didn't respect that at all, in the least.

Take it all at face value.  Israel will protect their area and the Palestinians, under Hamas influence, will always push for more till Israel is no more.

Edited April 11, 2018 by zork

[Parliament 14388]

 

 

 

The last time Germany went far right / nationalist, they didn't regret it until it was 12 years too late Russian T34's rolled through Berlin.

 

1234

 

 

[maninblack 7975]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/6-gazans-said-wounded-as-thousands-flock-to-border-to-protest/

7 Gazans said killed, over 1,000 hurt in clashes at massive border protest
Israeli army uses live fire, rubber bullets to keep back mobs of Palestinians who throw rocks, firebombs at troops during Hamas-led 'March of Return' protests

Getting hot over there. What happens next?

Israel's crimes get ignored by the media and the rest of the world. What do I win?

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

31 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Getting hot over there. What happens next?

Israel's crimes get ignored by the media and the rest of the world. What do I win?

Isreal protecting it's borders from terrorists isn't a crime. Why isnt Hamas pulling this shit towards Egypt or Jordan? Oh right, they would be immediately brutally murdered in masse and nobody would bat an eye.

Wonder whatever happened to these idoits who barged in and screamed at a guy talking about Isreal at Texas.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2015/11/petition-launched-defending-ut-austin-israel-studies-prof-against-smear-campaign/

[maninblack 7975]

Israel protecting their borders vs a threat isn't a crime. Israel committing murder is. That's what happened here.

[Anastasis 23514]

Once is a typo. But not twice.

[zork 629]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

Once is a typo. But not twice.

Looks like I'm guilty as well.  Spelled it both ways and wrong twice in my recent post.  I suck at spelling but it is still no excuse.  No ill intent on my part though for sure.

Edit:  looks like I spelled it right thrice and wrong once.

Edited April 12, 2018 by zork

[bad_teammate 13320]

Protecting the borders by expanding the borders and protecting the expanded borders by expanding the borders. Gee what is happening I cannot figure it out!

[zork 629]

1 minute ago, bad_teammate said:

Protecting the borders by expanding the borders and protecting the expanded borders by expanding the borders. Gee what is happening I cannot figure it out!

Didn't  Israel give Gaza back?

[bad_teammate 13320]

21 minutes ago, zork said:

Didn't  Israel give Gaza back?

Giving back some of the land claimed through territorial expansion, sure.

[zork 629]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Giving back some of the land claimed through territorial expansion, sure.

And they got no peace for it. 

What was the purpose of the attempt to break through the fence?

[bad_teammate 13320]

4 minutes ago, zork said:

And they got no peace for it. 

What was the purpose of the attempt to break through the fence?

Why would a Palestinian go beyond his own declared borders in order to defend himself against Israel?

I guess for the same reason an Israeli would go beyond his own declared borders in order to defend himself against Palestine.

It's a fucking farce.

[hpslugga 4069]

2 hours ago, zork said:

Didn't  Israel give Gaza back?

Gaza is under an external military occupation, so the answer to your question is "not really."

Edited April 12, 2018 by hpslugga

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

12 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Once is a typo. But not twice.

Bruh I'm shit at spelling.

36 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Gaza is under an external military occupation, so the answer to your question is "not really."

I'm curious, by who? Isreal or Iran?

https://unitedwithisrael.org/hamas-iran-is-only-country-that-supports-us/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11515603/Iran-is-intensifying-efforts-to-support-Hamas-in-Gaza.html

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Iran 'is intensifying efforts to support Hamas in Gaza'

Iran has transferred tens of millions of dollars to Hamas's military wing in Gaza to help it rebuild after last summer's conflict with Israel, intelligence sources state

Again, if these people they are throwing against Israels walls were peaceful, it would be fine. Since they are violent, they are delt with violently. It is curious though that they do not do this in any other direction, at any of their other borders. Only Israel. Why?

[bad_teammate 13320]

The Arabs are anti-Semitic and the Israeli Jews are anti-Arab. Shocking knowledge!

Edited April 12, 2018 by bad_teammate
because

[Anastasis 23514]

6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

The Arabs are anti-Semitic...

So now the Arabs are self-loathing too?

Edited April 12, 2018 by Anastasis

[bad_teammate 13320]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

So now the Arabs are self-loathing too?

You know what I mean, ya dork

But also, yeah probably.

Edited April 12, 2018 by bad_teammate

[David Dennison 19131]

Part of me thinks Israel should just claim Gaza and the West Bank, officially make them part of Israel, and then face the consequences. Whatever happens, happens.

Edited April 12, 2018 by David Dennison

[hpslugga 4069]

58 minutes ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

I'm curious, by who? Isreal or Iran?

They're under an external military occupation by the country that:

-controls its airspace
-controls its borders (going and coming)
-controls its water space (the sea blockade)

Anyone who has to live in conditions like that does not have sovereignty and/or control over their own country. Period.

Edited April 12, 2018 by hpslugga

[hpslugga 4069]

28 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Part of me thinks Israel should just claim Gaza and the West Bank, officially make them part of Israel, and then face the consequences. Whatever happens, happens.

They do claim them. 

That's why they categorically rejected UN 242 when it first came up at the end of the year in 1967
That's why they rejected Sadat's peace offering vis-a-vis the Jarring Mission in 1971, issuing a formal response that read "Israel will not withdraw to the pre-June 5, 1967 lines."
That's why they practically begged the US to veto the two state settlement resolution in the UNSC in 1976 and would continue to do so both in the UNSC and the UNGA in successive years
That's why they issued a formal response to the PLO's 1988 Algiers Declaration that included a statement that read "Israel opposes the establishment of an additional Palestinian state in the Gaza district and in the area between Israel and Jordan." They also stated in that same statement that "Israel will not conduct negotiations with the PLO," but think it through and you'll find that it effectively means they won't even bother negotiating with any party that claims to be the governing authority of the Palestinians

These aren't behaviors exhibited by a country that isn't already claiming those territories.

 

[SmokeyBear1861 107]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Part of me thinks Israel should just claim Gaza and the West Bank, officially make them part of Israel, and then face the consequences. Whatever happens, happens.

I'm down. It looks like the US long-term plan all along.

[hpslugga 4069]

34 minutes ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

I'm down. It looks like the US long-term plan all along.

That's not the US plan. That's some map that you dug up on a religious site.

[bad_teammate 13320]

 

2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Part of me thinks Israel should just claim Gaza and the West Bank, officially make them part of Israel, and then face the consequences. Whatever happens, happens.

The part of you that likes a lot of pointless civilian deaths?

[Anastasis 23514]

41 minutes ago, SmokeyBear1861 said:

I'm down. It looks like the US long-term plan all along.

[David Dennison 19131]

29 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

 

The part of you that likes a lot of pointless civilian deaths?

Those are happening now.

I want Israel to either man up or grant the Palestinians statehood.

Edited April 12, 2018 by David Dennison

[bad_teammate 13320]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Those are happening now.

I want Israel to either man up or grant the Palestinians statehood.

What does that even mean?