Israel

[956 Worldwide 34,314]

7 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

That’s pretty weak.  The issue is whether credible news sources corroborate it and report it as fact, not whether it’s been 3 days or 3 hours.  And the idea that 3 days is not enough time for anyone to possibly verify something like this or for readers to entertain that it might be true is ludicrous.  Do you dismiss all reported murder stories by legitimate news sources for a period longer than 3 days?  “Hold on, now.  I won’t accept that George Floyd was killed in that manner until at least 1 month has passed since the story broke.”

Pay attention to how it works. “I will concede that Hamas committed generalized atrocities but I will not concede that any specific atrocity likely happened until [insert standard of specificity and truth required of nothing else] and moreover anyone who does is engaging in propaganda.” 

[Welshy 907]

Tell me how this goes:

I concede Hamas has a valid complaint.

I acknowledge their ability to protest.

I acknowledge there is no solution to their land and my land being the same land.

...

I know they will never, ever accept my right to exist. They tell me this. 

They tell me they would rather kill me than live themselves. Wow. 

What is my solution?

Kill them. 

[BrickHorn 18,176]

6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That’s not you, and information sanitation is important.  

 

24 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Pay attention to how it works. “I will concede that Hamas committed generalized atrocities but I will not concede that any specific atrocity likely happened until [insert standard of specificity and truth required of nothing else] and moreover anyone who does is engaging in propaganda.” 

What the fuck? Try to be consistent, for Christ’s sake. 

You’re too worldly to be unfamiliar with atrocity propaganda, how it works, and why it is problematic even when seemingly only a slight exaggeration of actual (but because of weird human nature, more banal) atrocities. And you admit that “information sanitation” is good practice. But you jump very quickly to paint such cautious reactions as disguised propaganda in their own right, which is flat-out false.

There is no one-sidedness present to the questioning of propaganda on this board. The fake news streaming out from the Hamas side has been vociferously and rightly called out as BS, definitively. No one has said anything so definitive about the potential Israeli propaganda because (1) it’s not as clear that it actually IS propaganda and (2) if the claims ARE inaccurate, unlike the Hamas videos, etc., they are far more likely to be inadvertent and a result of a game of telephone played in the fog of war. 

So no. Unlike my agreement with those who have called bullshit on numerous  videos claiming wrongly to show civilian Palestinian casualties, I’m not going to jump to say that the mass rape and baby beheading claims are definitely 100% BS. Because they may not be, and we probably won’t know for sure for a long time.

So… how again is that one-sided against Israel?

Edited October 13, 2023 by BrickHorn

[Anastasis 23,375]

Maybe he can tell us all more about good faith argumentation. 

[956 Worldwide 34,314]

10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

 

What the fuck? Try to be consistent, for Christ’s sake. 

You’re too worldly to be unfamiliar with atrocity propaganda, how it works, and why it is problematic even when seemingly only a slight exaggeration of actual (but because of weird human nature, more banal) atrocities. And you admit that “information sanitation” is good practice. But you jump very quickly to paint such cautious reactions as disguised propaganda in their own right, which is flat-out false.

There is no one-sidedness present to the questioning of propaganda on this board. The fake news streaming out from the Hamas side has been vociferously and rightly called out as BS, definitively. No one has said anything so definitive about the potential Israeli propaganda because (1) it’s not as clear that it actually IS propaganda and (2) if the claims ARE inaccurate, unlike the Hamas videos, etc., they are far more likely to be inadvertent and a result of a game of telephone played in the fog of war. 

So no. Unlike my agreement with those who have called bullshit on numerous  videos claiming wrongly to show civilian Palestinian casualties, I’m not going to jump to say that the mass rape and baby beheading claims are definitely 100% BS. Because they may not be, and we probably won’t know for sure for a long time.

So… how again is that one-sided against Israel?

Here is where I’m going with this. On this thread we have different posters that have called out the following sources a problematic and possible propaganda.  Not all people have said the same things but let’s sum them up and look at it as a whole. 

- The Times of London, citing first responders. Or maybe just a specific Times of London reporter for unspecified reasons. 

- The Israeli government/IDF/PM (with photos) 

- Credible news sources (although they sort things out over time) 

Again, this is a compilation and there’s not one poster who objects to every single one of them. But if you look at the above, non-comprehensive list you’ll see that we’ve argued our way into basically treating all formerly decent sources of information with extreme skepticism. And once you get yourself there, you have gotten to where it’s all just vibes for the most part. 
 

Which is in itself a desired outcome for certain actors in the information space, and it’s a tactic that’s been super successful.
 

I will go out on a limb here and make my argument: A person who picks up the Times of London every day and believes each hard news item he reads is going to at some point believe some bad information. But that person is going to build an overall worldview that corresponds to reality better than someone who approaches everything they write as potential propaganda. There’s a bit of friend/foe identification here. 

[TKthunder2 4,975]

1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is such a horse shit take and I'm honestly so sick of reading it in this thread and elsewhere.

The hatred experienced on both sides has been slowly building over the past hundred years. It is learned behavior. Palestinians don't have hatred for Jews and a primal need to kill them baked into their fucking DNA, and Israelis don't have the primal need to oppress or kill Palestinians baked into theirs. This is all learned behavior. It can very goddamned well be unlearned. It is not an easy thing at all, and it absolutely would take a lot of time (decades) and concessions that the current Israeli government led by this coalition of absolute psychos is not likely to be willing to make on their own, but it abso-fucking-lutely can be done.

When you say shit like this, you know exactly what you're saying. Israelis won't leave and the Palestinians can't. There's only one side that has the capability to wipe out the other. You know what you're saying. It's probably not intentional, but it's there.

#1 Both sides in this argument is absolutely NOT the fucking same. Plenty of issues with Israel and their treatment of Palestinians, not going to say otherwise, but they aren’t too much worse than say the issues between black Americans and the police in the US, which is really bad for a Westernized civilized society. HOWEVER the other side is so fucking far off the reservation that it is extremely disingenuous to compare the two wrongs together. It’s like comparing someone who runs a red light to someone who beats his wife and claiming both a criminals.

#2 Go watch that video of the children proclaiming they want to stab the Jews or wear a suicide vest to kill the Jews and talk to a children psychologist and tell me how that can be UNLEARNED. Literally generation after generations have been brainwashed. Sure if the child is moved to a North American/European country and separated from their family/friends/community and put through a significant amount of therapy/reeducation, maybe a single individual COULD be deprogrammed and become a well balanced human capable of living in/near Israel, but how the fuck are you going to do that for all adolescents in an area of 2 million people (just Gaza)? I’m not advocating for solution here because there really ISNT a solution here that isn’t absolutely atrocious.

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

3 hours ago, Covri said:

The shower scene 

Damn, that's rough.

[BrickHorn 18,176]

33 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Here is where I’m going with this. On this thread we have different posters that have called out the following sources a problematic and possible propaganda.  Not all people have said the same things but let’s sum them up and look at it as a whole. 

- The Times of London, citing first responders. Or maybe just a specific Times of London reporter for unspecified reasons. 

- The Israeli government/IDF/PM (with photos) 

- Credible news sources (although they sort things out over time) 

Again, this is a compilation and there’s not one poster who objects to every single one of them. But if you look at the above, non-comprehensive list you’ll see that we’ve argued our way into basically treating all formerly decent sources of information with extreme skepticism. And once you get yourself there, you have gotten to where it’s all just vibes for the most part. 
 

Which is in itself a desired outcome for certain actors in the information space, and it’s a tactic that’s been super successful.
 

I will go out on a limb here and make my argument: A person who picks up the Times of London every day and believes each hard news item he reads is going to at some point believe some bad information. But that person is going to build an overall worldview that corresponds to reality better than someone who approaches everything they write as potential propaganda. There’s a bit of friend/foe identification here. 

That’s a bullshit response. It ignores the long history of stories almost identical to these proving to be atrocity propaganda and the reasons WHY exactly these stories become that (it’s the same reason why these stories spread like wildfire this week - they grab attention). And it ignores the actual conversation about this topic on this thread. You’re all over the map.

I’m done with this whipsaw of a debate. My last comment on it will be a summary of where I stand more broadly on this week’s events:

- Hamas’s attack was mass murder, full stop. Something must be done to bring justice to those responsible and prevent such atrocities in the future. What that something is I have no clue.

- I am deeply saddened for what I expect will result from the response, which is further bloodshed and further entrenchment of the hatred and distrust between Israelis and Palestinians, which will inevitably prolong the cycle of violence. 

- The infosphere is currently full of propaganda. I haven’t done a survey, but my general sense is the bulk of the propaganda circulating at this point is pro-Hamas, in the form of videos of different incidents being falsely attributed to the Israeli bombings. 

- The stories of Hamas beheading infants and engaging in rape are of a genre that frequently proves to be atrocity propaganda. This is not necessarily purposeful propaganda. It often results from inadvertent exaggeration and is spread by rumor. It is unclear whether these claims are true in this case and, based on the history of similar claims, we won’t know until the dust settles. That mass media outlets have reported these stories does not resolve the matter; atrocity propaganda often propagates through credible media. 

- The truth or falsity of the stories has no bearing on how I view the Hamas attack, but claims of this sort inflame emotions and often serve to make matters worse. And at times like these, we need more humanity and empathy, not less. Unfortunately, that’s not how mankind works. 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by BrickHorn

[Anastasis 23,375]

CNN reported that UN told to evacuate north strip within 24 hours. Looks like the ground invasion is on. 

[CTC2 2,730]

I’m not well versed biblically but is this all some end times shit?

[Brian Fantana 6,654]

11 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

#1 Both sides in this argument is absolutely NOT the fucking same. Plenty of issues with Israel and their treatment of Palestinians, not going to say otherwise, but they aren’t too much worse than say the issues between black Americans and the police in the US, which is really bad for a Westernized civilized society. HOWEVER the other side is so fucking far off the reservation that it is extremely disingenuous to compare the two wrongs together. It’s like comparing someone who runs a red light to someone who beats his wife and claiming both a criminals.

My guy you are out of your mind and you clearly have an incredibly whitewashed understanding of this conflict. What a completely fucking delusional take.

15 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

#2 Go watch that video of the children proclaiming they want to stab the Jews or wear a suicide vest to kill the Jews and talk to a children psychologist and tell me how that can be UNLEARNED. Literally generation after generations have been brainwashed. Sure if the child is moved to a North American/European country and separated from their family/friends/community and put through a significant amount of therapy/reeducation, maybe a single individual COULD be deprogrammed and become a well balanced human capable of living in/near Israel, but how the fuck are you going to do that for all adolescents in an area of 2 million people (just Gaza)? I’m not advocating for solution here because there really ISNT a solution here that isn’t absolutely atrocious.

You do not need to be brainwashed to hate or feel like you want to kill your oppressors, it's just basic fucking human nature. There are solutions that aren't absolutely atrocious. They're just not easy or quick. We don't need to wipe out the Palestinians and start over. I know you don't think that's what you're advocating for, but you are. You're just lying to yourself about what the purpose of your rationalizations are.

[Aqua Buddha 14,489]

Someting, something, infrastructure, something, something:

 

[956 Worldwide 34,314]

10 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

That’s a bullshit response. It ignores the long history of stories almost identical to these proving to be atrocity propaganda and the reasons WHY exactly these stories become that (it’s the same reason why these stories spread like wildfire this week - they grab attention). And it ignores the actual conversation about this topic on this thread. You’re all over the map.

 

 

 

And there is an almost equal number of atrocious stories that turned out to be absolutely true and yet were at the time they broke  denied or treated with skepticism or in between by actors both malicious and well-meaning: 

- The Holocaust and gas chambers

- The Holodomor 

- Stalin’s Great Terror 

- The massacre of Polish officers at Katyn 

- Cambodia’s killing fields 

- Srebrenica 

- Bucha 

It’s hard to say if you add up the history what’s more common. 

The most common analogy I’ve seen is the “babies in incubators” claim.  But the stories and how they developed are not close to similar at all.  The baby in incubator story originated from a Kuwaiti health official who sent a letter that first surfaced about a month after it originally happened. 
 

The story of the horrors at the kibbutz originated from multiple reporters, on the ground, standing outside the kibbutz where it happened and transcribing the words of multiple eyewitnesses and first responders. 

[Brian Fantana 6,654]

13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

CNN reported that UN told to evacuate north strip within 24 hours. Looks like the ground invasion is on. 

Not really possible to evacuate 1.2 million people in 24 hours, especially considering they have nowhere to go, but I'm sure Netanyahu is counting on that.

[Poe It Up 126]

18 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

CNN reported that UN told to evacuate north strip within 24 hours. Looks like the ground invasion is on. 

Yep, they’re softening up targets and creating lanes. The sky has been lit up all morning. 

[Anastasis 23,375]

18 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Not really possible to evacuate 1.2 million people in 24 hours, especially considering they have nowhere to go, but I'm sure Netanyahu is counting on that.

He is counting on that and a measure of manufactured consent for what we are about to see. 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Anastasis

[Dbeasy 14,953]

How does Israel find Hamas members/fighters? Won’t they just blend into the population? Won’t many leave with innocent civilians? I don’t understand how this ground invasion will actually work. 

[Brian Fantana 6,654]

4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

How does Israel find Hamas members/fighters? Won’t they just blend into the population? Won’t many leave with innocent civilians? I don’t understand how this ground invasion will actually work. 

I think you know and you'll see a lot of shitty people cheering it on.

[TKthunder2 4,975]

49 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

My guy you are out of your mind and you clearly have an incredibly whitewashed understanding of this conflict. What a completely fucking delusional take.

You do not need to be brainwashed to hate or feel like you want to kill your oppressors, it's just basic fucking human nature. There are solutions that aren't absolutely atrocious. They're just not easy or quick. We don't need to wipe out the Palestinians and start over. I know you don't think that's what you're advocating for, but you are. You're just lying to yourself about what the purpose of your rationalizations are.

I understand the conflict very well, but to each their own. Israel, England, the West, and the powers of the ME all have significant blame/ownership in this situation and how it came to be. Israel has systematically oppressed and abused the Palestinians through their power and stewardship for decades and has repeatedly inflamed the situation time after time…HOWEVER Hamas has committed absolute atrocities that do not compare. Hamas routinely fires rockets into civilian populations which we consider commonplace (can you image how the U.S. would react if rockets were fired in NY?). If you judge each by their sins alone it’s obvious which group is the most evil.

Unlike some of the geopolitical geniuses on this board, I am aware of my shortcomings and can admit to myself that while I feel pretty informed on this issue, I am by no means an expert in this area. If there was a simple solution it would have been pushed by others. A two state solution has been promoted multiple times and has failed every time, so if you assume that is off the table (as is the abandonment of Israel by the Jewish people) what solution is there left that does not end up with either reverting back to the status quo and inviting another Hamas attack, or a forced migration out of Gaza? If you have a solution, other than the generic get rid of Hamas a free the people of Palestine, I am truly interested to hear it.

[Welshy 907]

52 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He is counting on that and a measure of manufactured consent for what we are about to see. 

He = Antichrist?

Asking for a friend. 

[Welshy 907]

52 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

How does Israel find Hamas members/fighters? Won’t they just blend into the population? Won’t many leave with innocent civilians? I don’t understand how this ground invasion will actually work. 

I believe I could identify any Trumper from a line up. ANY line up. Worn and weary, trying to look younger than they are, loud, suspicious, angry....

You know who you are. So do we. You're not fooling anyone. 

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

On 10/11/2023 at 6:27 PM, CoTex said:

Dumb question here goes -

 

is there ever a time when you just admit defeat, take the loss, and move on?

Let’s say I’m Joe Palestinian.  I’ve got a wife and two kids.  I can try to gtfo and go to Egypt, America, who knows.  Anywhere but the place where I’m not prospering because … complicated reasons.  If I pull the trigger on that decision I’m subjecting my family to stress, uncertainty, and distance from all things known - family, language, culture.  But I’m also giving them hope.

Alternatively I can dig in and say “my land, not fair, father’s heritage, never say die.  My children’s hope then depends on a successful war and eradication of an enemy or, if not that, at least a good enough showing at war that I get some kind of Korea armistice.

If i’m Joe, im saving up $5,000 and gtfo.

What am I missing?

Your religion telling you, additionally, that it's all wrong because dirty Jews did it and, many countries and political extensions of those countries manipulating you to dig in and say “my land, not fair, father’s heritage, never say die," again because dirty Jews.

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

 

[AnTiM 1,656]

7 hours ago, F250 said:

Username checks out. ATM

Apparently you missed the post where I pointed out that it is a combination of "anti" and "ATM", ATM being the logo of Texas A&M. 

[AnTiM 1,656]

8 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

This is such a horse shit take and I'm honestly so sick of reading it in this thread and elsewhere.

The hatred experienced on both sides has been slowly building over the past hundred years. It is learned behavior. Palestinians don't have hatred for Jews and a primal need to kill them baked into their fucking DNA, and Israelis don't have the primal need to oppress or kill Palestinians baked into theirs. This is all learned behavior. It can very goddamned well be unlearned. It is not an easy thing at all, and it absolutely would take a lot of time (decades) and concessions that the current Israeli government led by this coalition of absolute psychos is not likely to be willing to make on their own, but it abso-fucking-lutely can be done.

When you say shit like this, you know exactly what you're saying. Israelis won't leave and the Palestinians can't. There's only one side that has the capability to wipe out the other. You know what you're saying. It's probably not intentional, but it's there.

So if Israel leaves the area, that would not help the problem.  Now who is saying shit like this.

[G650 13,990]

8 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I will go out on a limb here and make my argument: A person who picks up the Times of London every day and believes each hard news item he reads is going to at some point believe some bad information. But that person is going to build an overall worldview that corresponds to reality better than someone who approaches everything they write as potential propaganda. There’s a bit of friend/foe identification here. 

I'll preface by saying I'm a Times subscriber and I read daily. But I would say this is a mischaracterization. I can't remember where I was talking about this recently, but you trust people, not companies. You linked a credible journalist, I would agree, but for someone who doesn't know that guy from Adam, they are totally right to question it. Being published in the Times doesn't mean someone is worth listening to.

 

Honestly, I howl at least once a day by something I see on the Times homepage. Usually related to US politics.

[ConferenceRoom 6,123]

7 hours ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Someting, something, infrastructure, something, something:

 

[bernorange 8,346]

6 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

"Our Land" music video

Lyrics in English:

Quote

Where are you going? Where?

I'm going with myself from east to south

 

Where are you going? Where?

I'm going with myself from south to west

 

Where are you going? Where?

I'm going with myself from west to north

 

There he comes running

With the flag in his hands

My land, my land

 

Here you are in my land

My land, my land

 

Here you are in my land

My land, my land

 

Where are you going? Where?

I'm going with myself from north to east

 

Where are you going? Where?

I'm going with myself from east to west

 

Where are you going? Where?

I'm going alone from land to land.

 

And nothing and no one

Invites me to stay

My land, my land

 

Here you are in my land

My land, my land

 

Here you are in my land

My waves and my shore

Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah

 

A voice out of the light

Falls out off the sky's face

Tears apart the horizon

Where do you go to, here is no space left for you

 

This is my land

This is my land

This is my land

 

My land, my land

Here you are in my land

 

My land, my land

Here you are in my land

My waves and my shore

My land

 

Banished, my land

Banishing, my land

Forgotten, my land

I've got no place to stay

My land

 

[Neonmoon 38,127]

7 hours ago, Welshy said:

I believe I could identify any Trumper from a line up. ANY line up. Worn and weary, trying to look younger than they are, loud, suspicious, angry....

You know who you are. So do we. You're not fooling anyone. 

I can identify every aggy in a room. No cheating by looking for aggy rings either. 100%, without fail, every single time. There is a certain misplaced confidence, like a proud cow that doesn’t know it’s about to get an air gun to the back of the head. 

[Captainant 27,311]

@Macklemore your racism schtick about a 5th column of Arabs and Muslims taking down America is outrageous and I'm amazed that @immamac has let you shit on his board in that way for so long. Especially even moreso when YOUR FUCKING PARTY is actively blocking US military promotions and imperiling the stability of our service members lives by fucking with the pay vis a vis budget fuck fuck games. 

Quit trying to derail the DT thread by interjecting your self hating racism. Stop being a pussy and post your shit in a place where people can reply without Blacklab punishing them

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

@Macklemore your racism schtick about a 5th column of Arabs and Muslims taking down America is outrageous and I'm amazed that @immamac has let you shit on his board in that way for so long. Especially even moreso when YOUR FUCKING PARTY is actively blocking US military promotions and imperiling the stability of our service members lives by fucking with the pay vis a vis budget fuck fuck games. 

Quit trying to derail the DT thread by interjecting your self hating racism. Stop being a pussy and post your shit in a place where people can reply without Blacklab punishing them

I have been guilty of fearing Muslim immigration because of many of the toxic traits of fundamentalist Islam.

I still think there is a tiny kernel of truth there, but not so much in the US.  Events subsequent to 9/11 have shown that Muslim immigrants here do not pose much of an existential threat.  And, also that Christian fundamentalism is damn near as dangerous, if not moreso.

[wildcat09 29,187]

22 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I have been guilty of fearing Muslim immigration because of many of the toxic traits of fundamentalist Islam.

I still think there is a tiny kernel of truth there, but not so much in the US.  Events subsequent to 9/11 have shown that Muslim immigrants here do not pose much of an existential threat.  And, also that Christian fundamentalism is damn near as dangerous, if not moreso.

Christian fundamentalism is by any measure substantially more dangerous to Americans than Islamist fundamentalism. There's many millions more of them, they have the sympathies of law enforcement all around the country, and they hold serious political power. 

[Captainant 27,311]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Christian fundamentalism is by any measure substantially more dangerous to Americans than Islamist fundamentalism. There's many millions more of them, they have the sympathies of law enforcement all around the country, and they hold serious political power. 

They are blocking THOUSANDS of officers promotions because of fundamentalist extremist christian beliefs. That's materially harming the readiness of our military. 

 

But mooslims amirite???

 

It's like a chunk of posters who want to MAGA never left 2001-2003 America. 

[Js1 85,056]

12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Christian fundamentalism is by any measure substantially more dangerous to Americans than Islamist fundamentalism. There's many millions more of them, they have the sympathies of law enforcement all around the country, and they hold serious political power. 

We are hell of a lot closer to Handmaid’s Tale than Sharia Law. But one political party is gaslighting people into thinking we are one election cycle away from praying to Allah and outlawing pork 

[hobbes2702 12,771]

52 minutes ago, Captainant said:

@Macklemore your racism schtick about a 5th column of Arabs and Muslims taking down America is outrageous and I'm amazed that @immamac has let you shit on his board in that way for so long. Especially even moreso when YOUR FUCKING PARTY is actively blocking US military promotions and imperiling the stability of our service members lives by fucking with the pay vis a vis budget fuck fuck games. 

Quit trying to derail the DT thread by interjecting your self hating racism. Stop being a pussy and post your shit in a place where people can reply without Blacklab punishing them

Why the fuck would you invite Icono here? Second time this month I’ve had to post this

[Aqua Buddha 14,489]

I guess put this here but can go in any number of threads:

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

Boy, that reference to "nEoCOn"s sounds familiar.

[CoTex 1,160]

8 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Your religion telling you, additionally, that it's all wrong because dirty Jews did it and, many countries and political extensions of those countries manipulating you to dig in and say “my land, not fair, father’s heritage, never say die," again because dirty Jews.

I guess that sorta conquers all.  You were raised, and now you've raised your children, to believe that your eternal destiny is to endure struggle and, if you do it well, there will be some reward.  Joe Palestinian can't really go home after work and tell his family "let's scrap all our beliefs, move to Greece, and see what these Orthodox Christians have in store..." can he?

How do you ever get a religious ideologue (I don't mean that as an insult) to compromise on a matter of religion? 

[Brian Fantana 6,654]

19 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why the fuck would you invite Icono here? Second time this month I’ve had to post this

I got banned for 3 days on the day of for telling him to go play in traffic. I regret nothing. He's a piece of shit pickme degenerate waste of oxygen.

[G650 13,990]

Just now, CoTex said:

(I don't mean that as an insult)

Why the fuck not

[hobbes2702 12,771]

15 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I guess put this here but can go in any number of threads:

 

 

[hobbes2702 12,771]

3 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I got banned for 3 days on the day of for telling him to go play in traffic. I regret nothing. He's a piece of shit pickme degenerate waste of oxygen.

I think my only warning on this site was for telling him to drink bleach before going to vote. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

FIFTH COLUMN! 

[RomaVicta 29,756]

43 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I have been guilty of fearing Muslim immigration because of many of the toxic traits of fundamentalist Islam.

I still think there is a tiny kernel of truth there, but not so much in the US.  Events subsequent to 9/11 have shown that Muslim immigrants here do not pose much of an existential threat.  And, also that Christian fundamentalism is damn near as dangerous, if not moreso.

 

19 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Christian fundamentalism is by any measure substantially more dangerous to Americans than Islamist fundamentalism. There's many millions more of them, they have the sympathies of law enforcement all around the country, and they hold serious political power. 

 

6 minutes ago, Js1 said:

We are hell of a lot closer to Handmaid’s Tale than Sharia Law. But one political party is gaslighting people into thinking we are one election cycle away from praying to Allah and outlawing pork 

My friend, the two answers below your post answer it quite well. Regarding Islam fundamentalism and Christian fundimentalism, the former has resulted in occasional stochastic terrorist acts while the latter poses an existential threat to the republic as we know it.

The Jews are off the hook on this one unless we subject them to the tyranny of lies that has provoked their persecution over the centuries.

Travel into the countryside and listen to small town radio which is usually preachers. In store windows, see the flyers announcing a visit by a Spiritual Warrior leader. The movement is huge.

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You might also have noticed the many warnings about demons and spiritual battle on the campaign trail. In the runoff for the Georgia Senate, which he lost by a narrow margin, Herschel Walker—he of the vampires and werewolves—alerted us that the nation is entangled in “spiritual battle” and offered himself as a “warrior for God.” On Eric Metaxas’s radio show, where he interviews conservative politicians and cultural figures, repeat guest Roger Stone told Metaxas that a “demonic portal” had opened above the White House. At an Idaho stop on Mike Flynn’s ReAwaken America tour in September—a traveling road show of conspiracists, candidates for political office, and religious zealots—the Pentecostal pastor Mark Burns called out to the cheering crowd, “I’ve come here to declare war on every demonic, demon-possessed Democrat that comes from the gates of hell.” Sean Feucht, a preacherknown for hosting large-scale public evangelism events and a repeat guest on the ReAwaken America tour circuit, cast Democratic initiatives as “schemes of the devil in the political realm.”

By way of slapping a hopelessly simplistic phrase on a complicated reality, I will call it “Spirit Warrior Christianity.” Ron DeSantis knows what I am talking about. In a speech at Hillsdale College, the nondenominational Christian institution that is a major player in the religious right’s war on public education, the Florida GOP governor paraphrased a passage from Ephesians that serves as a guidepost and virtue signal for this new style of religion: “Put on the full armor of God. Stand firm against the left’s schemes,” he said, substituting “the left” for the biblical phrasing “the devil.” 

From the "intellectual godfather" of spiritual warfare:

Wagner is frequently characterized as the NAR’s “intellectual godfather” and played a pivotal role in popularizing its vision of modern-day apostles and prophets, “spiritual warfare” with demons and “territorial spirits,” and the ideology of Seven Mountains Dominionism, which says conservative Christians are to take control of the seven key features, often referred to as “mountains” or “molders,” of culture, including government, business, media, education, entertainment, family, and religion. 

These dangerous idiots, as has been pointed out before, love Israel because they, the idiots, are convinced we are in end days. They have been so convinced for a couple of centuries. That said, would it surprise anyone if these movements turned on American Jews to fire the hate and mistrust such organizations need to generate funds and support?

 

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The irony here, of course, is that in America you're likely to find a larger percentage of hardline Israel supporters inside a church than a synagogue.

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11 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

These dangerous idiots, as has been pointed out before, love Israel because they, the idiots, are convinced we are in end days. They have been so convinced for a couple of centuries. That said, would it surprise anyone if these movements turned on American Jews to fire the hate and mistrust such organizations need to generate funds and support?

The same idiots support Israel while spreading antisemitic conspiracies using code words like “globalists,” “bankers,” and “Soros.” 

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A United Nations spokesperson says Israel has imposed an "impossible" demand for more than 1 million people to get out of northern Gaza in the span of 24 hours.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-demand-million-people-leave-northern-gaza-impossible-un-2023-10

Gaza: Do you expect me to evacuate?

Israel: No Gaza, I expect you to die.

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People saying, "Why didn't the Palestinians just save up some money and leave?" are missing the fact that half the people in Gaza live below the poverty line, and Israel has the entire place blockaded, including the ports.  Egypt is the only other border Gaza has, and Egypt won't take them because they can't deal with 2 million refugees and they don't want to strain their relatively peaceful relations with Israel.  So, how exactly were these people in Gaza supposed to leave?  Swim to Greece?

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1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

People saying, "Why didn't the Palestinians just save up some money and leave?" are missing the fact that half the people in Gaza live below the poverty line, and Israel has the entire place blockaded, including the ports.  Egypt is the only other border Gaza has, and Egypt won't take them because they can't deal with 2 million refugees and they don't want to strain their relatively peaceful relations with Israel.  So, how exactly were these people in Gaza supposed to leave?  Swim to Greece?

These same people are the ones that have stockpiles of weapons at home as part of the well-regulated militia, have a Come and Take It flag flying at home and a Don't Tread On Me bumper sticker on their dually truck.

They're fucking morons.

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8 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

People saying, "Why didn't the Palestinians just save up some money and leave?" are missing the fact that half the people in Gaza live below the poverty line, and Israel has the entire place blockaded, including the ports.  Egypt is the only other border Gaza has, and Egypt won't take them because they can't deal with 2 million refugees and they don't want to strain their relatively peaceful relations with Israel.  So, how exactly were these people in Gaza supposed to leave?  Swim to Greece?

Egypt is effectively "partnering" with Israel on the blockade.