Israel

[Sawbonz 27,791]

You’re right. She was probably Jewish knowing the bbc

[Fozzz 152]

lmao

[David Dennison 19,131]

31 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

No. Do you support suicide bombings?

This is always a good time to remind everyone that the modern state of Israel would not exist but for terrorism.

[Fozzz 152]

I don't think the embassy has much to do with it.  

[Sawbonz 27,791]

Dp

Edited May 15, 2018 by Sawbonz

[zork 629]

6 minutes ago, Purgatory County said:

Remember when Trump boasted he had EVERYTHING to do with his miraculous brokered ending of the Korean War. Now his people (N Haley) are saying the embassy, with Trump's name on it, has nothing to do with this.

Team Trump! What a bunch of self aggrandizing dishonest pussies and crooked crooked shit bags. The GOP et al is slime. They crucified the Obama administration and a certain sec of state over an embassy brouhaha. Anyone remember that!!??

ZOMGBENGAZZZZZZZIIIIIII!!!

You mean that Hamas being at war with Israel has nothing to do with where the embassy location is?  I agree.  Hamas is at war with Israel.  It is in their charter or whatever they call their updated documents from 1988, updated last year.  What is to argue?  Fight or declare peace.  Israel is going to fight, defensively and re-actively for the most part.  It is in the best interests of the Palestinian people to lay down their weapons, rockets, demands, and let peace reign for a few decades.  Maybe then they can get some work in Israel proper(again).

Edited May 15, 2018 by zork

[Sawbonz 27,791]

38 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

But you know who else I blame?  The dumb SOB who, for no good reason, threw a match into the bucket of gasoline.  Trump did the equivalent of telling one brother "hey, he said you're a limpdick"....the only thing more shameful than pointlessly igniting this violence is those folks who try to deny that we tossed the match.

You mean the 70th anniversary of the end of Palestine wasn’t the best day to open an embassy in Jerusalem?

[David Dennison 19,131]

4 minutes ago, zork said:

You mean that Hamas being at war with Israel has nothing to do with where the embassy location?  I agree.  Hamas is at war with Israel.  It is in their charter or whatever they call their updated documents from 1988, updated last year.  What is to argue?  Fight or declare peace.  Israel is going to fight, defensively and re-actively for the most part.  It is in the best interests of the Palestinian people to lay down their weapons, rockets, demands, and let peace reign for a few decades.  Maybe then they can get some work in Israel proper(again).

Israel will still want the status quo in a few decades. They don't want a two state solution. They will never let the Palestinians occupy the same space as Israel among the world's nation states. Permanent second-class status for Palestinians benefits Israel. 

Israel does not want peace. It's banal in its simplicity.

Edited May 15, 2018 by David Dennison

[Sawbonz 27,791]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Israel will still want the status quo in a few decades. They don't want a two state solution. They will never let the Palestinians occupy the same space as Israel among the world's nation states. Permanent second-class status for Palestinians benefits Israel. 

Israel does not want peace. It's banal in its simplicity.

Do you believe Hamas wants a 2 state solution? If yes please provide a link to a quote from a Hamas leader that explicitly states they do

[hpslugga 4,069]

6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Israel will still want the status quo in a few decades. They don't want a two state solution. They will never let the Palestinians occupy the same space as Israel among the world's nation states. Permanent second-class status for Palestinians benefits Israel. 

Israel does not want peace. It's banal in its simplicity.

Well they do want peace, but they want it on their terms.

[jimmyjazz 46,502]

1 minute ago, Purgatory County said:

When was the last time anybody attacked the United States.

Never?!

Huh?

[Sawbonz 27,791]

You’re forgetting that time the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor 

[zork 629]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Huh?

It's Purg, he's on a roll.  (animal house.jpg) 

Edit: Sawbonz beat me.

Edited May 15, 2018 by zork

[ChickenSandwich 9,856]

6 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

Well they do want peace, but they want it on their terms.

which includes the extermination of an entire group of people, the Jews.....so maybe time to rethink their definition of "peace"

How dare Trump disrupt decades of peace and cooperation between the two sides.  All his fault, it should have happened 20 years ago.  Did people actually think the situation would get better by constant delays?

I'm sure Vegas had it at 2-1 odds that Hamas would lob some rockets over the border before the new year?

2017 - 35 rockets fired from Gaza

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2017

At some point Israel was going to get tired of their shit and deal with it on their own terms.  The only thing that has changed is the Palestinian leaders found a great photo opportunity for dead children to try to win international support.  They got exactly what they wanted and asked for. 

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by ChickenSandwich

[David Dennison 19,131]

It's been quite some time since a foreign power invaded the United States proper. I believe Robert E. Lee was the last to try.

[David Dennison 19,131]

1 minute ago, ChickenSandwich said:

which includes the extermination of an entire group of people, the Jews.....so maybe time to rethink their definition of "peace"

How dare Trump disrupt decades of peace and cooperation between the two sides.  All his fault, it should have happened 20 years ago.  Did people actually think the situation would get better by constant delays?

In light of said history, they should probably stop treating Palestinians the way they do. It's a bad look.

[ChiTownDoc 21,238]

Many a Nazi out there so confused right now...

[Fozzz 152]

5 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Do you believe Hamas wants a 2 state solution? If yes please provide a link to a quote from a Hamas leader that explicitly states they do

Well, last year Hamas said they would accept the 1967 borders...but they didn't say they would recognize Israel as a state, so I guess the kiddies deserve to be shot in the head.

 

[jimmyjazz 46,502]

6 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

You’re forgetting that time the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor 

Hell, he's forgetting that time the CIA flew a bunch of planes into the Twin Towers.

[zork 629]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

In light of said history, they should probably stop treating Palestinians the way they do. It's a bad look.

Maybe they should have thought about that before they sponsored this type of activity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

 

Quote

History

According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers "2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers", there were at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian minors between October 2000 and March 2004^[4] p. 292. In 2004, the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers reported that "there was no evidence of systematic recruitment of children by Palestinian armed groups," also noting that this remains a small fraction of the problem in other conflict zones such as Africa, where there are an estimated 20,000 children involved in active combat roles in the Sudanalone.^{[4][page needed]} Human Rights Watch also reported that "there was no evidence that the Palestinian Authority (PA) recruited or used child soldiers."^[5]

According to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, in the al-Aqsa Intifada, children were used as "messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians" during the al-Aqsa Intifada. Fatah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestinehave all been implicated in involving children in this way. The issue was brought to world attention after a widely televised incident in which a mentally handicapped Palestinian teenager, Hussam Abdo, was disarmed at an Israeli checkpoint.^[6]The youngest Palestinian suicide bomber who blew himself up was Issa Bdeir, a 16-year-old high school student from the village of Al Doha. He blew himself up in a park in Rishon LeZion, killing a teenage boy and an elderly man.

According to the Israel Defense Forces, 29 suicide attacks were carried out by youth under the age of 18 in 2000–2003. From May 2001, 22 shootings attacks and attacks using explosive devices were carried out by youth under the age of 18, and more than 40 youths under the age of 18 were involved in attempted suicide bombings that were thwarted (three in 2004).

On March 29, 2002, Ayat al-Akhras, an 18-year-old girl from the Deheishe Refugee Camp near Bethlehem, detonated explosives strapped around her waist in a supermarket in Jerusalem, killing herself, a 17-year-old Israeli girl named Rachel Levy, and a 55-year-old security guard named Haim Smadar.

On March 24, 2004, one week after capturing a bomb in the bag of 12-year-old Abdullah Quran, Hussam Abdo, a 16-year-old Palestinian (who initially claimed he was 14), was captured in a checkpoint near Nablus wearing an explosive belt. The young boy was paid by the Tanzim militia to detonate himself at the checkpoint. IDF soldiers manning the checkpoint were suspicious of him and told him to stay away from people. Later, an EOD team arrived and by using a police-sapper robot, removed the explosive belt from him.^[7][8] Hussam explained that he was offered 100 NIS and sex with virgins if he would perform the task. He said his friends mocked him in class.^[9][10]

On May 30, 2004, The New York Times reported Israeli allegations that the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades were using children to recruit classmates as suicide bombers, and that one child, Nasser Awartani, 15, of Nablus allegedly recruited four of his classmates, one of whom was claimed by the Shabak report on Awartani to be Hussam Abdo.Greg Myre (May 30, 2004). "Israel Says Children Are Used to Recruit Bombers". The New York Times. Retrieved September 5, 2014.

On June 16, 2004, two girls, aged 14 and 15, were arrested by the IDF for allegedly plotting a suicide bombing. According to an IDF statement, the two children were recruited by activists from Tanzim (Fatah's armed wing), guided by Hezbollah.^[11]

On July 3, the Israeli Security Forces thwarted a suicide bombing that it claimed was to have been carried out by 16-year-old Muataz Takhsin Karini. Karini and two of his operators were arrested, while a 12 kg explosive belt was detonated safely by an Israeli EOD crew.^[12] On June 5, IDF forces detonated two explosive belts concealed in schoolbags. On July 14, the Shin Bet arrested in Kfar Maskha a suicide bomber. The bomber was identified as 17-year-old Ahmed Bushkar from Nablus.^[13]

On September 23, 2004, a day before Yom Kippur, the Shin Bet and the Israel Police announced their capture of a 15-year-old suicide bomber and a 7 kg explosive belt in the village of Dir-Hana in the Western Galilee. The 15-year-old was part of joint terrorist cell of Tanzim and Palestinian Islamic Jihad from Yamon village near Jenin. The four were Palestinians who worked illegally in Israel. The 15-year-old was allegedly paid 1000 shekels in order to blow himself up in Afula.^[14][15]

According to a Shabak report published on September 26, 2004, about 292 Palestinian children have been involved in terrorism.^[16]

On September 27, 2004, a 15-year-old suspected suicide bomber was arrested in Nablus.^[17] On October 28, Ayub Maaruf, a 16-year-old Fatah suicide bomber, was arrested near Nablus along with his operator.^[18]

On November 1, 16-year-old Aamer Alfar blew himself up in Tel Aviv's Carmel Market, killing 3 Israelis in a suicide bombing that was claimed by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Alfar's mother and father condemned what they saw as the exploitation of their son:

God will curse those who recruited Amar. I had heard the stories about recruiting children in Nablus but I didn't think they were true... Yes, it is difficult here for everyone because of the occupation, and life in Nablus is intolerable, but children should not be exploited in this way.^{[citation needed]}

On November 4, a 15-year-old suicide bomber was arrested in Nablus.

On February 3, 2005, Mahmoud Tabouq, a 15- or 16-year-old Palestinian, was arrested at the Huwara checkpoint near Nablus carrying a bag containing an explosive belt, an improvised gun, and 20 bullets. The belt was detonated safely by a Magav bomb squad.^[19][20]

On April 12, a 15-year-old Palestinian boy identified as Hassan Hashash was caught at Huwara checkpoint hiding five pipe bombs under his coat. He tried to ignite them with a match when the soldiers apprehended him. Later he was disarmed, and sappers detonated the bombs safely. Family members of Hashash suggested that he deliberately carried bombs into an IDF checkpoint in order to be arrested and study for the "Bagrut" final exams in the Israeli jail.^[21] A week later, another Palestinian youth (aged 17) was caught carrying explosives in Beit Furik checkpoint.

On April 27, two teenagers, aged 15 (though other sources cite their ages as 12 and 13), were arrested at a checkpoint near Jenin after 11 explosive charges were found on them. One teenager was recruited by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the other by the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades. The two told interrogators that they had been acting as couriers for terrorists, but security forces suspect they planned to get close to the soldiers and then detonate the charges.^[22]

On May 22, Iad Ladi, a 14- or 15-year-old Palestinian suicide bomber was arrested at a Huwara checkpoint near Nablus. This was the 14th time during April and May that a Palestinian child was arrested as a bomber or a courier. Two days later, another 15-year-old Palestinian teen carrying two pipe bombs, was caught at the same checkpoint. On June 15, The Israeli press reported that the Shabak arrested a Palestinian militant cell in Nablus during the previous month. The cell included eight members, four of whom were child suicide bombers. The cell was on the verge of committing another suicide bombing attack using the four children. According to the Shin Bet, the cell was directed and funded by the Fatah's Tanzim branch and the Lebanese group Hezbollah.^[23]

On October 11, a 14-year-old Palestinian boy was arrested by IDF forces. He told the soldiers he was forced to agree to commit a suicide bombing when two terrorists from Fatah's Tanzim faction threatened to murder him by spreading a leaflet accusing him of collaboration unless he agreed. They took pictures of him with a gun and the Qur'an and forced him to write his own will.^[24]

On August 27, a 15-year-old Palestinian boy carrying two explosive devices on his body was arrested in the northern Gaza Strip after he attempted to carry out an attack against soldiers operating in the area against Palestinians launching Qassam rockets on Israeli civilians across the border inside Israel.^[25]

 

[Sawbonz 27,791]

 

5 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Well, last year Hamas said they would accept the 1967 borders...but they didn't say they would recognize Israel as a state, so I guess the kiddies deserve to be shot in the head.

 

So no

Hamas’s leader in exile

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"We shall not waive an inch of the Palestinian home soil, no matter what the recent pressures are and no matter how long the occupation," Meshaal said as he revealed the document to the public after two years of work.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/05/hamas-accepts-palestinian-state-1967-borders-170501114309725.html

Edited May 15, 2018 by Sawbonz

[ChickenSandwich 9,856]

1 minute ago, zork said:

Maybe they should have thought about that before they sponsored this type of activity:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bombers_in_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict

 

 

or have chicken fights with other dads and sons in the middle of a cross fire....what's the worst that can happen?

[Fozzz 152]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

 

So no

Pretty reasonable compared to Israel's position on the issue.   Also, it's funny that Hamas is the go-to talking point for the apartheid defenders when Hamas wouldn't even exist without Israel's help. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/07/30/how-israel-helped-create-hamas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b56738654b15

[Sawbonz 27,791]

Quote

We shall not waive an inch of the Palestinian home soil, no matter what the recent pressures are and no matter how long the occupation," Meshaal said as he revealed the document to the public after two years of work.

I absolutely believe if Israel did not exist there would be no Hamas 

Edited May 15, 2018 by Sawbonz

[ChickenSandwich 9,856]

When do we give Texas back to Mexico?

[Brian Fantana 6,711]

6 minutes ago, Purgatory County said:

Hawaii was stolen by the US and 911 was not an invasion.

Remember the Alamo was bullshit too. We stole Texas. We got slaughtered in San Antonio then fearing more of that we basically bribed Mexico.

Colonel Travis didn't die at the Alamo btw

[Fozzz 152]

 

2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I absolutely believe if Israel did not exist there would be no Hamas 

Well, that and assisting the person who brought Hamas into being.

[Fozzz 152]

Amazing that the US blocked an independent inquiry into Israel's continual slaughter of civilians in Gaza.  Don't they want to show the world that this is really all Hamas' fault??? lmao

http://www.france24.com/en/20180515-us-blocks-call-independent-gaza-inquiry-un-diplomats

[zork 629]

Purg, stahp.

[seven 1,368]

22 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Let’s avoid a debate on theism and refocus on the issue of whether it’s kosher to exterminate Palestinians, including children, en masse.

 

Arent there a surprising number of people on the board who support murdering kids?  

Take note of the posters who are ok with murdering kids and honestly it's not that surprising.

[ChickenSandwich 9,856]

2 minutes ago, seven said:

Take note of the posters who are ok with murdering kids and honestly it's not that surprising.

Certainly not surprising you give the parents a pass for killing their children to further a cause. Fuck off Hugo

[Fozzz 152]

If it were a generation ago these fuckers would be supporting Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. 

[Sawbonz 27,791]

So you are for a one state solution

[zork 629]

8 minutes ago, seven said:

Take note of the posters who are ok with murdering kids and honestly it's not that surprising.

In my link of children performing suicide bombing activities for the PA(Palestinian Authority), how do you think they got their suicide bombing vests?  I'm assuming they were led to believe by the leadership that it was the thing to do and/or their family was paid for them to 'Martyr'.  Given that behavior, why should any IDF soldier be asked to get near any of the Palestinians who have shown the ability and desire to blow themselves up to kill IDF forces?

[seven 1,368]

Fuck yeah, kid Killin is rad! 

[ChickenSandwich 9,856]

Israel reopens Gaza crossing that has been set on fire three times in the last month......only to have the Palestinian border agents turn back 14 full trucks of food and diapers, but let a truck with medical supplies in.......they care so much about their people.  Disgusting child killers

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reopens-gaza-crossing-but-palestinians-turn-back-some-trucks/?!

 

check out the peaceful protests in the videos in the link....looks like a damn Chuck e Cheese out there.  No wonder they brought their kids

Edited May 15, 2018 by ChickenSandwich

[GHOSTUSER 361]

How much do y'all want to bet that the troll behind Purgatory County is the same dude who trotted out JimTom yesterday? Sock trolls are out of control on surly.

[ChickenSandwich 9,856]

Seven is Hugo

[F250 28,959]

1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

It's been quite some time since a foreign power invaded the United States proper. I believe Robert E. Lee was the last to try.

You are forgetting the Soviet invasion of the continental United States in the 1980's. They successfully invaded but couldn't sustain their occupation due to patriotic partisans that fought and died for our freedom. They were guerrillas, mostly children, they fought here alone and gave up their lives, so that this nation shall not perish from the earth.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

[Orca of Peace 109]

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Israel reopens Gaza crossing that has been set on fire three times in the last month......only to have the Palestinian border agents turn back 14 full trucks of food and diapers, but let a truck with medical supplies in.......they care so much about their people.  Disgusting child killers

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-reopens-gaza-crossing-but-palestinians-turn-back-some-trucks/?!

 

check out the peaceful protests in the videos in the link....looks like a damn Chuck e Cheese out there.  No wonder they brought their kids

It was not immediately clear why the border officials, who are employed by the Palestinian Authority, would not accept the shipments.

 

the PA hates Hamas and wants to hurt the Gaza population, even though many support the PA there, to weaken Hamas.

Edited May 16, 2018 by Orca of Peace

[TxEx99 31]

Gaza is a shitshow operated by one of the most incompetent regimes in the entire world.  I can't imagine why anyone thinks Israel should willingly open its borders to allow in people whose stated goal is "death to Israel, death to Jews."  

Contrast that with the situation with Jordan and the West Bank and tell me why Israel is in the wrong here.  Throwing rocks, molotov cocktails, shooting at soldiers and generally trying to start a riot at border checkpoints would be intolerable everywhere else in the world.  Yet Israeli defense forces are monsters for using tear gas and eventually shooting at people attempting to physically harm them.  

[David Dennison 19,131]

Just now, TxEx99 said:

Gaza is a shitshow operated by one of the most incompetent regimes in the entire world.  I can't imagine why anyone thinks Israel should willingly open its borders to allow in people whose stated goal is "death to Israel, death to Jews."  

Contrast that with the situation with Jordan and the West Bank and tell me why Israel is in the wrong here.  Throwing rocks, molotov cocktails, shooting at soldiers and generally trying to start a riot at border checkpoints would be intolerable everywhere else in the world.  Yet Israeli defense forces are monsters for using tear gas and eventually shooting at people attempting to physically harm them.  

They could always stop occupying Palestinian territories.

[Sawbonz 27,791]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

They could always stop occupying Palestinian territories.

Define Palestinian territory 

[David Dennison 19,131]

1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Define Palestinian territory 

The West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.

[Sawbonz 27,791]

Just now, David Dennison said:

The West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.

Now convince the leader of Hamas, the party in charge of the de jure Palestinian state, that that is the extent of Palestinian territory, and you would have a starting point

[David Dennison 19,131]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Now convince the leader of Hamas, the party in charge of the de jure Palestinian state, that that is the extent of Palestinian territory, and you would have a starting point

Maybe leave the West Bank first.

[Sawbonz 27,791]

Why?

[David Dennison 19,131]

Just now, Sawbonz said:

Why?

Exactly. Israel isn't interested in peace with the Palestinians. 

[Sawbonz 27,791]

And the Palestinians are not interested in peace with Israel. In fact, the leader of their ruling party does not even concede their right to exist

edit he was term limited last year. It’s now Ismail Haniyeh. Maybe he recognizes Israel. 

Edited May 16, 2018 by Sawbonz