I saw Avengers: Endgame (SPOILERS)

[Lone Star Horn 2018]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Assuming you were referring to my original comment. I think going from losing your family to becoming a drug-kingpin-murdering psychopath is a bit of a stretch but if I was missing something let me know. 

Punisher says Hi.

 

 

yeah, I know he lost his family due to crossfire in a gang war.

[ztejas 43537]

3 minutes ago, Lone Star Horn said:

Punisher says Hi.

 

 

yeah, I know he lost his family due to crossfire in a gang war.

Yes but that's the whole premise of Punisher. None of the people Hawkeye was running around killing had anything to do with what happened to his family. 

[mulletpelini 5216]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

as was the side plot of Hawkeye deathnote killing for no apparent reason, but as a whole it didn't leave a bad taste in my mouth the way other superhero films are wont to do .

The guy got left alone in fucking Mizzou.  You fucking telling me you aren't gonna want to stab someone if that happens to you?

[Lone Star Horn 2018]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yes but that's the whole premise of Punisher. None of the people Hawkeye was running around killing had anything to do with what happened to his family. 

He had nothing to live for, why not use his skill to take out scumbags. His way of dealing with the lost of his family.

 

plus, yeah, being stuck in mizery alone.

Edited May 1, 2019 by Lone Star Horn

[ztejas 43537]

1 minute ago, Lone Star Horn said:

He had nothing to live for, why not use his skill to take out scumbags. His way of dealing with the lost of his family.

 

plus, yeah, being stuck in mizery alone.

Okay, I get it. Again, it seems like a weird turn in his character arc and a side-plot that didn't really add much to the film. 

"Hey, we need to get the gang back together. What's Hawkeye up to?"

"Oh he's out serial killing drug dealers. You know, normal stuff"

[CurlyDumps 4484]

Why did Thanos wipe out half of humanity if all he really wanted to do was retire to a deserted planet and take up gardening? 

[ztejas 43537]

7 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Why did Thanos wipe out half of humanity if all he really wanted to do was retire to a deserted planet and take up gardening? 

Seriously. Farming? Really? A man of his talents?

[Patrick Bateman 3931]

7 hours ago, The People’s Elbow said:

Thor as a character feels interesting: he had a existential/emergence arc through Ragnarok and Infinity War, so his character in Endgame felt really regressive to me. Does he have to find and prove himself yet again? Or is his Thorbowski act actually who he is versus who he was meant to be.

Not really.  There is no Fat Thor in the source material, so really, it's simply a cheat.  The Russo's don't really know or understand what to do with Hulk or Thor so they've decided to turn them into comic relief by making them impotent or diminished.  First it was Hulk in IW and then into grey Hulk.  This time it was Fat Thor.  Why?  Who knows, but the Russo's have always been about the Cap vs IM dynamic.  Also, Thor comes back in IW after yet another crisis of confidence or worthiness ( a recurrent theme for him) and almost kills Thanos by himself.  I think the Russo's didn't know how to put that power back in the bottle intelligently.  So, let's make him fat, drunk and stupid because he's having yet another crisis of confidence.  JFC, Thor must be the most neurotic and insecure God in the universe.  Fat Thor was funny for a few scenes, after that, it was just sad and really diminished his character.  They did the same to Hulk but it was more subtle this time as they made him smart and more sophisticated.  Sophisticates don't fisticuff.  Maybe Thor will return to his proverbial roots in GotG3.

 

 

Edited May 1, 2019 by Patrick Bateman

[Patrick Bateman 3931]

34 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

Why did Thanos wipe out half of humanity if all he really wanted to do was retire to a deserted planet and take up gardening? 

It was half of all life.  Because thru his experiences, he had become convinced that the universe needed a reset to restore balance to it.  He thought by wiping out half, he could restore enough resources and really space for life to grow at a more benign rate.  He personally sees this because he can't save his home, Titan, from its inevitable extinction.  He also think he alone is the only being strong enough emotionally to handle this responsibility.  He's also crazy as fuck, if not hyper rational.  In the comics, he does this because he's in love with Lady Death.

[ztejas 43537]

Bateman bringing the hammer down with some source material. 

I'll admit the first "drunk fat Thor" appearance was funny. After that it turned into a pretty stupid vehicle for his character (and like you say, he immediately snaps back into being a total BAMF).

[Barry_McCokiner 160]

6 hours ago, ztejas said:

Okay, I get it. Again, it seems like a weird turn in his character arc and a side-plot that didn't really add much to the film. 

"Hey, we need to get the gang back together. What's Hawkeye up to?"

"Oh he's out serial killing drug dealers. You know, normal stuff"

No  they were like “he’s pretty fucked up and needs to stop”

[Buzzrock 14941]

Losing his entire family in the blink of an eye was a very good reason for a trained assassin to snap and go vigilante against the criminal elements of the world. 

[NOMAAA 1696]

finally got a chance to see it. was pretty great.

[Bookman 4642]

12 hours ago, naija said:

I did not like Falcon as the new Captain America though.... what happened to the superhuman part of the job description? Should have been Bucky,

I didn't like it either, but I read they did this in the comics.

[kurioster 66]

Saw it last night, really enjoyed it. Korg might be my favorite minor MCU character

[Fozzz 152]

8 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

It was half of all life.  Because thru his experiences, he had become convinced that the universe needed a reset to restore balance to it.  He thought by wiping out half, he could restore enough resources and really space for life to grow at a more benign rate.  He personally sees this because he can't save his home, Titan, from its inevitable extinction.  He also think he alone is the only being strong enough emotionally to handle this responsibility.  He's also crazy as fuck, if not hyper rational.  In the comics, he does this because he's in love with Lady Death.

Even like algae and stuff?  What about viruses?  It doesn't seem like this big purple dumbass put much thought into his plan, although he did clean up the bay.  Gotta give the devil his due.

[Speedtrucker 2079]

So the Hawkeye to Ronin back to Hawkeye was also to tie in the Blackwidow arc.

She was an assassin killing for the Russians, Hawkeye was sent to kill her but instead spared her life and helps her save herself and see the good in family and friends.

Hawkeye loses everything that he’d built as a father and husband, the snap while fair in Thanos’ mind wasn’t fair to Hawkeye. So he loses his soul and begins hunting down those that survived but didn’t deserve to survive the snap.

Blackwidow has lost most of her family and knows that Hawkeye is out there in a role reversal, she has to save him.

That’s their story brought full circle

[Prepuce of Doom 21103]

Figured you nerds might be interested in this. 

 

[ajax 2620]

ScarJo's entire performance, but especially when Rhodey was giving her the update on Hawkeye was outstanding. 

And when was this girl power moment that everyone is talking about?

[Radical Larry 28662]

Saw it last night, really enjoyed it. Korg might be my favorite minor MCU character

Beers in the bucket. Feel free to log into the WiFi. No password, obviously. Thor, he’s back, the kid who called me a dickhead. Yeah, noobmaster69.

[Speedtrucker 2079]

ScarJo's entire performance, but especially when Rhodey was giving her the update on Hawkeye was outstanding. 
And when was this girl power moment that everyone is talking about?

When Peter is trying to get the glove and he’s been knocked down, Capt Marvel takes it and gets an escort from basically this movies A-Force. Then they all kinda do a picture moment before smoking a ton of Thanos’ army.

[ajax 2620]

16 minutes ago, Speedtrucker said:

 

 

When Peter is trying to get the glove and he’s been knocked down, Capt Marvel takes it and gets an escort from basically this movies A-Force. Then they all kinda do a picture moment before smoking a ton of Thanos’ army.

 

 

That was it? I didn't even notice that it was all female. I was just shocked that Carol didn't tell everyone to fuck off and she got this.

[Patrick Bateman 3931]

5 hours ago, Bookman said:

I didn't like it either, but I read they did this in the comics.

 

Let's remember:

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But all we know for now is that Disney+, the House of Mouse's new streaming service, is going to bring us a new series called Falcon and the Winter Soldier, which will star Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan in their MCU roles. It's unclear how Steve's passing of the Captain America torch will play into that series, and if Sam will still go by the name Falcon. One thing that's probable is the 21st century Sam and WWII-era Bucky might have some humorous interactions regarding their different upbringings and eras. But what's certain is that Captain America, just like America herself, is changing, and that Sam Wilson is a meaningful choice to take the MCU into the future.

TV Show coming....

[BlueGreySky 1032]

14 hours ago, ztejas said:

And long hair Brie >>>>>> lesbo cut Brie. 

 

I think this is something we can all agree upon.

[mdmost 43050]

Interesting article on talking to the Russos about Old Cap 

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'Avengers: Endgame' directors answer Captain America mystery

 Anthony Breznican Tue, Apr 30 7:45 AM CDT 

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Avengers: Endgame directors explain Captain America time travel

Captain America’s closing scene in Avengers: Endgame has led to a lot of questions from moviegoers who aren’t exactly sure what it means.

The truth is, there are deliberate mysteries built into that sequence, which directors Joe and Anthony Russo suggested are setting up future stories.

Here’s what they can answer now …

***Spoilers Below***

Does Cap go back to live in the past — or does he go and live in another dimension?

The directors say it’s the latter.

“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”

The brothers smile.

“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”

Also, they confirm — Bucky knew. When Cap was preparing to for the trip, which is only supposed to last a few seconds in the main timeline, his old friend from the Brooklyn days gives him a surprisingly heavy farewell.

Somehow, and it’s probably more than just intuition, he was aware that Cap was going to live in the past. “Especially when he says goodbye,” Joe explained. “He says, ‘I’ll miss you.’ Clearly he knows something.”

But how? Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? It seems like that may be the case.

On the other hand, Joe adds, “Sam doesn’t know something.” Falcon has no idea about Old Cap, which is why The Winter Soldier urges him to go up and talk to the now-elderly Steve Rogers. Bucky already has the answer to the questions Sam is going to ask.

Maybe we’ll get our own answered in the streaming series called Falcon and Winter Soldier which is in the works for the Disney+ service.

“How does it feel?”

That’s what Old Cap asks Falcon after he gives him the vibranium shield.

“Like it’s someone else’s,” Falcon answers.

“It isn’t,” Cap tells him.

Does Rogers mean this as in, “it is yours now,” or is he telling the literal truth? After all, his shield was shredded by Thanos in the final battle of Endgame.

It’s possible in the timeline where Old Cap has been living that the shield he gave him actually belonged to that dimension’s Sam Wilson. Based on the chronology, by the time that Sam would have been fighting age, Steve Rogers would already be elderly and probably ready to hand off the mantle.

If so, what became of that Sam, since the shield has now been brought to this timeline?

These are all valid questions, but we don’t have answers to them yet. It sounds like the Russos and the Marvel Studios braintrust have a plan to resolve them down the road.

The Captain’s Wife

Falcon notices the wedding band on Old Cap’s finger and asks if he’ll tell him about her. “No… no, I don’t think I will,” the old man replies.

We know from the final shot of the movie that Cap went back and found Peggy Carter, and we know the Russo brothers say he went to live in a branch timeline, not the prime one.

Still, many fans wonder if Steve Rogers didn’t find a way to make the timelines realign, allowing him to live in the shadows as Peggy’s “secret husband” who has been acknowledged but gone unidentified so far in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This seems unlikely based on the fact that the Russos said one of the outlying questions is “how is he back in this reality?”

Having him live quietly for decades in the prime reality also creates a lot of paradoxes: Why doesn’t he disrupt Hyrdra’s infiltration of SHIELD sooner? Why doesn’t he warn the Avengers about the coming alien invasion in 2012? Why doesn’t he interfere in all the major tragedies and conflicts that we know about?

Maybe he does do those things, but it would be in the alternate universe. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You don’t get to know any of it either.

Still, maybe we will. Marvel Studios has already broken new ground with interlocked storytelling, so perhaps the next experiment is tiered storytelling — alternate versions of familiar tales.

For instance, the whole “where did Cap go?” question could very well be answered in the animated What If series that Marvel is developing for Disney+, based on something it’s been doing in comics for a while.

The first announced title explores what would happen if Peggy Carter got the super-soldier injection. So … what if that What If world of this show happens to be the one our Steve Rogers from the prime timeline came to inhabit?

What if, what if, what if …

At this point, unfortunately, all we can say about What If is “it’s possible” and “who knows?”

Making Old Cap

Another question some moviegoers have about this final scene is —  was that really Chris Evans as Old Man Cap, or a lookalike who was actually elderly?

It was all Evans, created through a mix of prosthetics on his face and digital touchups to thin it all down.

“Obviously, if it doesn’t work perfectly, it can undermine the emotional intention of the scene,” says Anthony Russo. “We did a lot of practical effects, so it was a very elaborate makeup job that was then augmented with CG, because there’s certain things that you can’t do with makeup in order to make Cap credibly that age.”

For example, he added: “You can’t shrink Chris Evans’ neck on set, you know what I mean? He’s still got that yoke neck.”

“He’s still a muscular man,” Joe added.

“Yeah, so [CG helps] things that you can’t achieve, like the way the face drops,” Anthony said. “It’s a balance we want to always strike between making him feel credibly aged, but also not compromising the performance.”

Evans even managed to change his voice into a hushed rasp without any audio adjustments.

“We didn’t alter his voice at all,” Joe explained.

“We always say this about Chris — he’s so technically sophisticated as an actor and you can see it in that scene when he plays an old man,” Anthony added.

“Everything you’re seeing is exactly his performance, just with his face aged. That’s it,” Joe said. “We didn’t change anything about it.”

Just like the past, you can’t alter it too much or it becomes unrecognizable.

 

[utxmike05 1828]

13 hours ago, CurlyDumps said:

Why did Thanos wipe out half of humanity if all he really wanted to do was retire to a deserted planet and take up gardening? 

lol.  Yea I never understood ANY villain that wants to destroy the world etc...and then what? Just chill alone?

[Fozzz 152]

Thanos really should have killed off the rest of the Avengers prior to retiring.  Did the idea of time travel never cross in his mind?  In a universe of infinity stones and talking raccoons it was pretty unwise to discount such a possibility.

[Speedtrucker 2079]

Thanos really should have killed off the rest of the Avengers prior to retiring.  Did the idea of time travel never cross in his mind?  In a universe of infinity stones and talking raccoons it was pretty unwise to discount such a possibility.

That was his realization, earth and her protectors weren’t doing what he thought they would. His whole thought was an unbiased wipe of 50% of living matter. He would go off and live alone knowing he’d done the hard part and everything else would rebuild and prosper without overpopulation.

Seeing Nebula’s data bank made him realize that earth and the avengers weren’t doing what he expected so his new plan was no longer just some unbiased snap but a personal attack on earth and the avengers followed by an extreme snap.

He was the mad titan for a reason, I mean even before his hunt for the stones he had already amassed a massive army and was wiping out half of every planets population as it was... which by the way, if we take GotG data as true, he wasn’t really telling the truth to Gamora(maybe not a lie) because Gamora readout says she is the last living zen whoberli. Taht goes against his whole your planet is thriving and they no longer know starvation etc

[Js1 85574]

3 hours ago, BlueGreySky said:

I think this is something we can all agree upon.

Don't diss the power haircut. 

[ajax 2620]

31 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Don't diss the power haircut. 

When she was giving Black Widow her update, I thought she was going to start off with "Are you a god?"

[Huckleberry 33096]

Not really.  There is no Fat Thor in the source material, so really, it's simply a cheat.  The Russo's don't really know or understand what to do with Hulk or Thor so they've decided to turn them into comic relief by making them impotent or diminished.  First it was Hulk in IW and then into grey Hulk.  This time it was Fat Thor.  Why?  Who knows, but the Russo's have always been about the Cap vs IM dynamic.  Also, Thor comes back in IW after yet another crisis of confidence or worthiness ( a recurrent theme for him) and almost kills Thanos by himself.  I think the Russo's didn't know how to put that power back in the bottle intelligently.  So, let's make him fat, drunk and stupid because he's having yet another crisis of confidence.  JFC, Thor must be the most neurotic and insecure God in the universe.  Fat Thor was funny for a few scenes, after that, it was just sad and really diminished his character.  They did the same to Hulk but it was more subtle this time as they made him smart and more sophisticated.  Sophisticates don't fisticuff.  Maybe Thor will return to his proverbial roots in GotG3.
 
 

Can't like this post enough. This is pretty much why I call Ragnarok the most overrated of the MCU films. That's when they really accelerated the ruining of those two characters.

Yeah it's a buddy cop film full of great graphics and a bunch of yuks. But it wasn't good within the MCU framework. And I guess we Hulk fans were more attuned to that than Iron Man and Captain America fans.

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2740]

Overall good flick.
Any scene with GP I disliked.
CM fembutch haircut was turrble.

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2740]

Overall good flick.
Any scene with GP I disliked.
CM fembutch haircut was turrble.

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2740]

Also who was the young guy at the end standing back right side by himself?

[Radical Larry 28662]

5 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Also who was the young guy at the end standing back right side by himself?

The kid from Iron Man 3. 

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2740]

Oh yeah. Forgot about that trash heap movie.

[0xdeadbeef 1652]

Finally got a chance to see it today and can now read this thread (and go back online).

In one word: Satisfying. 

Is it the best of the MCU movies? Probably not. But as an ending to a 22 movie arc, it was perfect.  Wrapping up a decade of story telling in a way that makes people glad to have been along for the  ride is no easy task.   Well done.

That said, of all the things they could make next, I'd most want to watch a Hawkeye/Ronin movie.  Seems like it could be very john Wick-ish. 

 

 

 

[Bookman 4642]

4 hours ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Any scene with GP I disliked.

Who is GP?

[Js1 85574]

6 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Who is GP?

Gwyneth I assumed 

[Radical Larry 28662]

Gary Patterson

[Patrick Bateman 3931]

Games Played.

[Michael Knight 12995]

The Marvel shows on Disney+ are gonna be more like 8 expensively produced episode arcs and not entire series per se.

[SuckitKevin 920]

45 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Who is GP?

Goo Punch

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

Grystal pall

[Radical Larry 28662]

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

Dallas playing scared of the refs, not wanting to give up PPs. 

 

Oops

Edited May 2, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Radical Larry 28662]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Dallas playing scared of the refs, not wanting to give up PPs. 

Put in Hulk and end this. 

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

 Nvm dammit

Edited May 2, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Patrick Bateman 3931]

15 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Put in Hulk and end this. 

He's a pussy now.  Need Captain Marvel, but can she skate?

[mdmost 43050]