Lieutenant gov. Dan Patrick

[Larry T. Spider 1741]

Yep, pretty much every country has every issue that we have other than one. Declining religion, video games, mental illness, social media. The only thing that separates us is easy access to military grade weapons so that our nut jobs kill 20+ instead of somebody losing a finger in a UK knife attack. Any politician that doesn’t directly address this as a gun problem is either on the nra pay roll or a complete moron. 

[Chooky 13302]

8 hours ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

He's also a cautionary tail about the consequences of living with untreated Low T. 

His hips are wider than his shoulders. That makes me nervous. The freak who just shot up El Paso has the same body type. These dudes with lunch lady bodies are invading my culture. Men with lesbian gym teacher shapes are replacing our heritage. It's a steep decline in the gene pool. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21068]

Bitch hips and tits.  What a manly man. 

[Bookman 4611]

23 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

Dan Patrick is doing his best to destroy whatever is left of young Republican numbers with Gen X, millenials,  and whatever the next generation is that's teenagers now. 

He’s working very hard at it. It’s almost like he’s trying to turn Texas blue.

[Voldemort86 2259]

4 hours ago, Bookman said:

He’s working very hard at it. It’s almost like he’s trying to turn Texas blue.

I’m not going to complain about Texas getting bluer, but man it sure is tough to have him as our elected “representative”.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Voldemort86

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

22 hours ago, Larry T. Spider said:

Yep, pretty much every country has every issue that we have other than one. Declining religion, video games, mental illness, social media. The only thing that separates us is easy access to military grade weapons so that our nut jobs kill 20+ instead of somebody losing a finger in a UK knife attack. Any politician that doesn’t directly address this as a gun problem is either on the nra pay roll or a complete moron. 

If you want to argue for gun control, that's cool. But when you say stuff like that you might as well be calling a teenage girl's mustang a Formula 1 and immediately identify yourself as either someone who hasn't bothered to be informed or as someone who is arguing in bad faith.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Me - THAT FERRARI RAN OVER MY KID

Gun Guy - That’s actually a Porsche.

Me - Oh, well that’s cool then.


Fuck your semantics.

[tantric superman 4667]

You people should have voted for what's his name, who ran against Patrick in 2018.

 

I still blame the Dems fucked up candidate for Governor for keeping Patrick -- and Ted Cruz -- in place. 

 

[Larry T. Spider 1741]

37 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If you want to argue for gun control, that's cool. But when you say stuff like that you might as well be calling a teenage girl's mustang a Formula 1 and immediately identify yourself as either someone who hasn't bothered to be informed or as someone who is arguing in bad faith.

I’m informed enough to know the guy in Dayton did that amount of damage in 1 minute. People like you want to play semantics while we scrape bodies off the sidewalk. You aren’t interested in solutions so fuck off.

[Voldemort86 2259]

46 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

You people should have voted for what's his name, who ran against Patrick in 2018.

 

I still blame the Dems fucked up candidate for Governor for keeping Patrick -- and Ted Cruz -- in place. 

 

I did vote for mike Collier.

 

danny Goeb wouldn’t even debate him because he was afraid of showing how much of an ass he is to people.

[Bookman 4611]

10 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If you want to argue for gun control, that's cool. But when you say stuff like that you might as well be calling a teenage girl's mustang a Formula 1 and immediately identify yourself as either someone who hasn't bothered to be informed or as someone who is arguing in bad faith.

Why would it matter if it's a mustang or a Formula 1?

[Pam Cummings 9584]

11 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If you want to argue for gun control, that's cool. But when you say stuff like that you might as well be calling a teenage girl's mustang a Formula 1 and immediately identify yourself as either someone who hasn't bothered to be informed or as someone who is arguing in bad faith.

The only information i need is that the country that allows more guns has more gun violence.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

1 hour ago, Bookman said:

Why would it matter if it's a mustang or a Formula 1?

If you are arguing that we should ban sports cars from public roads because Formula 1 cars are too fast to be safe would it matter? Formula 1 cars already aren't allowed on public roads because they are completely different from your garden variety sportscar. If you want to argue that a regular sports car isn't safe to drive on public roads then it's a complete different argument, and you should make that your argument. You want to regulate military grade rifles? They already are highly regulated. If you think we should regulate civilian versions of military rifles then say which characteristics should be regulated. There are single shot AR's out there that have been modified to not be able to accept a magazine and can only have one round manually chambered at a time. Should those be regulated? Should all magazine fed semi automatic rifles be regulated? Center fire and rim fire? What about your great grandad's Remington 7400 that has a five round magazine?

It's a semiautomatic magazine fed rifle, but has been specifically excluded from all the mainstream federal assault weapons ban proposals. Largely because it isn't scary looking and higher capacity magazines aren't readily available for it. One could easily be made, however.

47 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The only information i need is that the country that allows more guns has more gun violence.

That's a fair argument, but saying military grade weapons is misleading and doesn't really contribute to it.

I'm not opposed to regulating some things like magazine capacity, allowing for red flag legislation as long as due process is involved on the front end, and creating a system where personal sales are required to obtain an NICS background but doesn't require them to have to travel to an FFL or spend money on it. If you want to make positive change you need to discuss realistic and specific proposals or ask questions of those knowledgable so that you can discuss them. If you just use hyperbole and "deep, guns are bad!" as your argument you won't get anywhere, and you know it. Knowingly propping up a system by only offering up extreme solutions that won't go anywhere makes you just as culpable as the cold dead hands crowd.

[troph 24566]

Military style means guns intended to kill humans at a fast and efficient rate. To quibble over its meaning is disingenuous.

There should not be a way to discharge more than 10 rounds in a minute. You want to have a rifle that looks like an AR-15 but can’t kill 30 people in 2 minutes - fine. That’s not a military style weapon and neither is a BB gun that looks like the same AR-15.

Shit is out of hand and it’s time for stiffAF penalties.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

The only real difference is the magazine capacity, which could easily be regulated seperately. There are plenty of legit sporting uses for semi-automatic rifles, which is why the non scary looking ones were omitted from the original AWB.

[elfenix 34174]

15 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

Me - THAT FERRARI RAN OVER MY KID

Gun Guy - That’s actually a Porsche Corvette.

Me - Oh, well that’s cool then.


Fuck your semantics.

ffsurly

[relapse98 634]

4 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

 realistic and specific proposals

1) Education. Should have to pass a class before owning a gun and demonstrate that you know how to operate it. You'll then get a license.

2) Requirement of getting that license is a background check.

  1/2 B)  License will be renewed on a somewhat regular basis - kinda like some other license most of us have. Require updated classes every few years and updated demonstration of safe operation.

3) Registration. Every gun should be registered. Every sales should go through the same procedure.

4) Insurance. Should be required to carry some amount of minimum liability insurance as a condition for maintaining your gun license.

 

That's a start. But then here come the "oh the second amendment" - the second amendment isn't absolute, we already have some rules in place, we would just expand these. And there will be the "if we have laws, only the good guys will follow them" then what do we do? Throw our hands up and declare anarchy and get rid of every law or create laws and enforce them and those that choose not to follow them will be dealt with, like we do day in and day out already?

Edited August 7, 2019 by relapse98

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Thanks for taking the time to outline some detailed proposals. I honestly don't think that your proposals would withstand constitutional scrutiny, and they don't really have a shot at being ratified by 75% of the states. If getting a government issued ID in order to vote is too much of a burden for the poor and disadvantaged, do you really think they have the resources to take a class, get a license, and all of that in order to exercise their second amendment rights? While I don't disagree that the second amendment isn't unlimited,  everyone should have equal rights to exercise it unless restricted through due process of law. Being poor isn't illegal.

[David Dennison 18661]

4 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Thanks for taking the time to outline some detailed proposals. I honestly don't think that your proposals would withstand constitutional scrutiny, and they don't really have a shot at being ratified by 75% of the states. If getting a government issued ID in order to vote is too much of a burden for the poor and disadvantaged, do you really think they have the resources to take a class, get a license, and all of that in order to exercise their second amendment rights? While I don't disagree that the second amendment isn't unlimited,  everyone should have equal rights to exercise it unless restricted through due process of law. Being poor isn't illegal.

They would if the court had a liberal majority. Liberal justices could calibrate the constitutional test to make Second Amendment cases subject to a lower scrutiny standard. Moreover, if the test remains strict scrutiny, a liberal court would be much more willing to recognize a compelling state interest in regulating firearms.

Regulating firearms within the constraints of the Second Amendment is something the left can accomplish if the court has a liberal majority.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

Then that majority wouldn't be liberal. They would be merely left wing.

[David Dennison 18661]

Just now, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Then that majority wouldn't be liberal. They would be merely left wing.

Fingers crossed. The right in this country is not going to like the inevitable ideological backlash that is coming.

[relapse98 634]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I honestly don't think that your proposals would withstand constitutional scrutiny

Quote

do you really think they have the resources to take a class, get a license, and all of that in order to exercise their second amendment rights?

Expand on why you don't think it would withstand constitutional scrutiny? Is the cost and time for poor people the only problem? I think we can work around that.
We already have requirements for NFA that poor people cannot afford, in order to exercise their second amendment rights.

Edit: And of course this is ignoring the fact that various states like Connecticut already have a license law or California requires a firearm safety training. I haven't heard of any of those hitting the Supreme Court and being ruled unconstitutional.

Further edit: I think every single one of my ideas is already implemented by a state, sometimes all together, except mandatory liability insurance. I know that has been proposed in a number of states but I don't know that it has been passed.
 

Edited August 7, 2019 by relapse98

[Bookman 4611]

13 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

If you are arguing that we should ban sports cars from public roads because Formula 1 cars are too fast to be safe would it matter?

Who is making that argument?

[Voldemort86 2259]

Just interjecting to say that any Texan who votes for this guy is an IDIOT

 

a shooting happens and his first response is “ kids can’t pray in schools, antifa did it ( without facts or evidence), and violent video games!”

 

dan Goeb is the worst Lieutenant Governor in the state of Texas’s great history!

[David Dennison 18661]

 

[kevwun 15658]

I celebrate his entire catalogue.  The more he opens his mouth about immigration, the faster Texas goes blue.  You know what's really scary Dan?  Immigrants playing violent video games.

Edited August 14, 2019 by kevwun

[David Dennison 18661]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

I celebrate his entire catalogue.  The more he opens his mouth about immigration, the faster Texas goes blue.  You know what's really scary Dan?  Immigrants playing violent video games.

I wish we could deport him back to Maryland.

[Voldemort86 2259]

Did Texas accidentally decriminalize weed?

 

https://www.texasobserver.org/texas-kinda-sorta-accidentally-decriminalized-weed-now-what/

 

shouldn’t have singlehandedly blocked the bill Goeb.

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

Every time this thread gets bumped, I open it hoping he’s been caught in a Cracker Barrel women’s restroom in drag. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

On 8/21/2019 at 11:50 AM, Pescado_Rojo said:

Every time this thread gets bumped, I open it hoping he’s been caught in a Cracker Barrel women’s restroom in drag. 

Haha! Danny looks more like a ChickenSaladChick.

From the Dallas Morning News:

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Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick says he's "willing to take an arrow" and defy the National Rifle Association by pressing Texas to close one loophole in gun-purchaser background checks.

On Friday, Patrick said it's "common sense" to tighten background-check laws because in many instances, stranger-to-stranger sales now are exempt from the requirement that buyers be vetted through a federal database of people not eligible to purchase firearms.

Patrick wants to protect transfers among family members from triggering a check. He'd also continue to exempt friends, though he acknowledged that could be abused. Patrick, who presides over the Texas Senate, said he's willing to accede to the preferences of senators on whether to maintain that loophole — and if so, exactly how.

But he said Texas must strongly discourage selling guns to strangers without a background check.

"That gap of stranger to stranger we have to close, in my view," Patrick, a staunchly conservative Republican and avid gun-rights advocate, said in an interview with The Dallas Morning News.

"When I talk to gun owners, NRA members and voters, people don't understand why we allow strangers to sell guns to total strangers when they have no idea if the person they're selling the gun to could be a felon, could be someone who's getting a gun to go commit a crime or could be a potential mass shooter or someone who has serious mental issues."

"Look, I'm a solid NRA guy," he said, "but not expanding the background check to eliminate the stranger to stranger sale makes no sense to me and ... most folks."

The NRA responded soon after, calling Patrick's proposals "political gambits" that would "resurrect the same broken, Bloomberg-funded failures that were attempted under the Obama administration."

"Criminalizing private firearm transfers would require a massive, governmental gun registration scheme. Instead of trampling the freedom of law-abiding Americans, the government should focus upon actual solutions: fixing our broken mental health system, prosecuting known criminals and enforcing the existing gun laws that require follow-up whenever a prohibited person tries to buy a firearm," the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, its lobbying arm, said in a statement.

Since mass shootings in El Paso and Midland-Odessa, Patrick has talked of wanting to require background checks of private purchasers who are strangers. In multiple interviews with Fox News and in-state conservative talk radio hosts, he has said they account for as much of 10% of all gun sales — and are the likeliest method for criminals to obtain guns.

On Friday, he issued an emphatic warning to fellow Republicans: To survive and avert Democratic takeovers in Austin and Washington, they must act expeditiously on measures to reduce gun violence.

"Someone in the Republican Party has to take the lead on this," he said.

Staving off the day

President Donald Trump is likely to win re-election next year, asserted Patrick, a Trump supporter.

But "one day, [Democrats] could have the White House again, and they could have Congress, and they will pass draconian laws that dramatically impact our Second Amendment rights," he said. "And if Republicans do some common sense things, that helps us stave off that day."

The Texas Democratic Party said Patrick's past actions cast doubt on his Friday statements.

"Dan Patrick can say what he wants now, but the fact of the matter is that his racist rhetoric was echoed directly by the El Paso shooter before the shooting," party spokesman Abdi Rahman said in a text. "Directly after the shooting, Patrick blamed video games and a 'lack of God' for the shooting instead of guns. Actions speak louder than words. Where's Patrick's plan and commitment to eradicate white supremacist language from his own discourse and his party's? Nothing changes until Patrick's rhetoric changes."

But Texas gun control advocate Ed Scruggs said he welcomes Patrick's stand.

"One thing you could never accuse Dan Patrick of is not being politically aware, he sees what's going on across the state," said Scruggs, president of the board of Texas Gun Sense. Among other things, the group supports curbs on "high lethality" firearms such as assault rifles.

"People are waking up and they're starting to ask questions and saying, 'OK, y'all have been in power now for the last 20 years. What have you done to prevent this and what are you going to do now?'" Scruggs said. Patrick "does see the writing on the wall, that they have to do something. ... Any talk about closing background check loopholes is positive."

Scruggs and Patrick are members of a Texas Safety Commission that Gov. Greg Abbott appointed after the El Paso massacre that killed 22 people and injured 24 others.

On Thursday, Abbott issued executive orders designed to close "information gaps" in the reporting and analysis of suspicious activities. The Republican governor also said "legislative solutions are still needed." An Abbott spokesman has indicated the governor could make some bill proposals soon.

Most Democrats in the Legislature are pressing Abbott to call a special session on gun violence prevention. Abbott has urged some Democrats to soften their recent rhetoric, which he dubs overblown. He appears not to have made a final decision on whether a special session could be productive and brief, especially as the 2020 election looms.

On Friday, Patrick dodged questions about whether Abbott will call a special session and the prospects for Senate passage of gun-violence measures, including his suggested change on stranger-to-stranger gun sales.

"I want to protect the family and the friend transfer," he said of existing private sales that are exempt from background checks. "If other members have a different idea, then I will follow the will of the Senate."

'Not a big deal'

Patrick said he's spoken with gun store owners. They reportedly said they'd be happy to assist private sellers, by arranging for them to meet prospective buyers at their stores. The owners would run the buyers through the National Instant Background Check System.

"It takes a minute," Patrick said. "It's not a big deal."

Patrick said he understands the concerns some gun-rights activists have about allowing any change in current gun laws.

They rightly fear that national Democrats such as former Vice President Joe Biden and former Texas congressman Beto O'Rourke would push for assault weapon buy-backs, which amounts to confiscation, he said.

"There's no such thing as a buy-back program because you can't buy back something you don't own," he said. "I see that as confiscation." Patrick said he also opposes a national gun registry.

Still, Patrick underscored that he's ready, despite past support for and from the NRA, to call the group out when he thinks it's wrong. In recent weeks, its president Wayne LaPierre reportedly told Trump that background checks must be off the table as leaders grope for ways to reduce mass shootings.

Last year, Patrick received 100% ratings from the NRA and its Texas affiliate, the Texas State Rifle Association. He's received $11,000 from the groups during his time in office, just less than Abbott's $13,700. The NRA and TSRA have contributed more than $1.4 million to political campaigns in Texas since 2000, according to financial disclosures.

Earlier, as a state senator, the two groups rated him in the low to mid-90s, according to votesmart.org. But in 2015, his first session as lieutenant governor, Patrick drew barbs from some gun-rights activists after he said there weren't the votes to pass a law allowing for unlicensed open carry of handguns. Patrick stressed he was just giving an honest assessment that allowing open carry of handguns had weak chances of passing.

Thinly veiled warning?

Patrick compared the NRA's hard-line resistance on background checks to what he called the intransigence of local governments in Texas on property taxes in recent years. He noted cities and counties suffered a defeat this year, which he said they could have averted by accepting a compromise revenue-cap proposal more to their liking in the 2017 session.

"When you're not willing to yield on anything that's common sense, you risk losing everything," he said. "When you're not reasonable in your position, you risk losing a lot more."

Fixing the background-check loophole is only one measure needed, Patrick said.

He said he also supports improving law enforcement's handling of tips about suspicious activities; providing 24/7 staffing at regional law enforcement "fusion centers," such as one in Collin County; and imposing tighter reporting requirements on social media platforms, when users threaten or discuss violence.

Taking all those steps, he said, can make Texas "the model for the country" in trying to prevent mass shootings.

However, Texans shouldn't delude themselves that they'll stop all killers, he cautioned. People will continue to do evil things, he said.

But with the changes under discussion, Patrick said the call by the El Paso shooter's mother to Allen police, expressing concern about his rifle purchase, might been "run up the line." That might have triggered further investigation, which might have led to an Amber alert, Patrick said. Potentially, law enforcement then could've stopped the young man while he was driving from North Texas to El Paso, he said.

 

 

Apologies for the massive text wall. DMN has a paywall for nonsubscribers.
 

[tx 3 putt 76414]

Win / Win - ends his political career and we get background checks 

[Post Oak 20187]

Im not holding my breath

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

Unexpected development with the gun control debate. I have to admit that I'm uncertain whether Abbott/Patrick have seen the light, the NRA has quickly lost power, or this is some ruse by Abbott/Patrick to walk a line to appease both sides.  Or some combo.

My guess is that the Abbott/Patrick could easily get their proposals passed even if majority of the GOP lawmakers oppose it. However I doubt they do anything without their own majority if not unanimous GOP support.

[Born to Run 6568]

Unexpected development with the gun control debate. I have to admit that I'm uncertain whether Abbott/Patrick have seen the light, the NRA has quickly lost power, or this is some ruse by Abbott/Patrick to walk a line to appease both sides.  Or some combo.
My guess is that the Abbott/Patrick could easily get their proposals passed even if majority of the GOP lawmakers oppose it. However I doubt they do anything without their own majority if not unanimous GOP support.

He knows he's gonna get voted out in the future if he keeps going full tea party fuckhead.
Not sure Dana has any real ethos other than power. I mean he is a closeted old lesbian that hates the gays.

[Pig Bellmont 8692]

6 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Haha! Danny looks more like a ChickenSaladChick.

From the Dallas Morning News:

 

Apologies for the massive text wall. DMN has a paywall for nonsubscribers.
 

It’s polling at 93% right? Not exactly a brave stance

[Ted Lange 16053]

 

 

 

 

[Ted Lange 16053]

Lots of Dan Goeb supporters and bunches of bots are not happy with him

 

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

23 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

 

 

Wow, he is truly a man without a country now.  Everyone except Tommy Hilfiger hath forsaken him.  

[Ted Lange 16053]

[Jack Straw 2953]

12 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

this is the kind of dude that makes @Johnny Sack proud to be a Republican. 

[Voldemort86 2259]

3 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

This guy sucks..... he needs to go back to radio ASAP.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20345]

Has Partick always been an aging lesbian?

[Guest Lobo]

He looks like a Lilith Fair revival merged with a Kohl's.  

[Pescado_Rojo 19331]

Talk to your Dr about treatments for Low T. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

22 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

This guy sucks..... he needs to go back to radio ASAP.

See, now this is a good take. Because it is obvious he needs to be somewhere his audience can't see him. How can someone make regular old jeans and a plaid shirt look so wrong?

[atomheartbevo 89452]

He’s in a bind.  No politician likes being bitch-slapped around so publicly, because he now looks weak if he backs down.  More importantly, politicians like Patrick know that if they back down, then their political enemies (and allies) can and will use that against them.  

His best bet is to pass it off to the legislature and hope there are no more shootings.  

On the other hand, if there are more shootings, he can use that against the NRA. 

[Hank Scorpio 17723]

How many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop? No one knows. 

How many mass shooting deaths to get a Republican to propose the most simplistic and basic gun control? I don't know, like 100 or something? It's probably more than that. 

[atomheartbevo 89452]

9 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

How many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop? No one knows. 

How many mass shooting deaths to get a Republican to propose the most simplistic and basic gun control? I don't know, like 100 or something? It's probably more than that. 

Would be interesting to see what the polling is, that is causing him to make this little stand.  He didn’t come up with this idea on his own.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26290]

He looks like a Lilith Fair revival merged with a Kohl's.  

This line deserves more love

[tx 3 putt 76414]

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/01/23/dan-patrick-says-he-may-further-lower-threshold-bring-bills-senate-flo/

 

With GOP supermajority at risk in 2020, Dan Patrick says Texas Senate may lower threshold to bring bills to the floor