2nd Round: Warriors vs. Rockets

[BigOrange1 6422]

38 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

 

I wished he had lived his dream of playong with KD at Texas. Would have been a great team. He’s exactly what they needed.

yep.  had pj come back for his senior year, the kd team would have been substantially better than they were.

[Vic Mackey 46936]

SIAP but how was this not a foul? Durant stared at him and deliberately threw his elbow into his face. Not sure the exact rules but couldn't that have been a flagrant? That was no accident in the spirit of play.

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by Vic Mackey

[MoJames 8241]

Hell it would've been nice if PJ had just taken care of his grades and played a full 3 seasons.

[elguapo 4583]

1 minute ago, MoJames said:

Hell it would've been nice if PJ had just taken care of his grades and played a full 3 seasons.

Blame Mack Brown's boy Brian Davis for that one.

 

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2014/6/3/5776838/brian-davis-texas-longhorns-fired-football-academic-advisor

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Back when he was also in charge of the basketball program, the academic issues of PJ Tucker prompted the former administration to elevate Randa Ryan into the role of executive senior athletics director for student service, a fancy way of saying that she has been responsible for overseeing the academic support staff and student services for all sports with the exception of football.

In other words, she was essentially elevated over Davis, who was left his own little fiefdom as someone who had followed Brown from North Carolina. Under Brown, such relationships seemingly made people nearly untouchable, with only gross incompetence like the 2010 season from Greg Davis and the sexual harassment suit brought against Cleve Bryant capable of breaking those ties.

 

[MoJames 8241]

2 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Blame Mack Brown's boy Brian Davis for that one.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2014/6/3/5776838/brian-davis-texas-longhorns-fired-football-academic-advisor

Nah I'll blame the student.

[HtownHorn 14487]

21 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Hell it would've been nice if PJ had just taken care of his grades and played a full 3 seasons.

Or PJ to stay his senior year and play with Durant.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

45 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

SIAP but how was this not a foul? Durant stared at him and deliberately threw his elbow into his face. Not sure the exact rules but couldn't that have been a flagrant? That was no accident in the spirit of play.

 

That's pretty dirty.  If it was anyone other than cp3 I'd feel bad for the guy 

[Goo Punch 4275]

2 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

 

I wished he had lived his dream of playong with KD at Texas. Would have been a great team. He’s exactly what they needed.

 

had all three guys who left early in 2006 stayed at Texas:

G- DJ Augustin

G- Boobie Gibson

G/F- Kevin Durant

F- PJ Tucker 

F/C- LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench:

AJ Abrams

Damion James

Justin Mason

Connor Atchley

we would have gone undefeated and played Florida in the most hyped title game ever.

 

[Dutchrudder 11115]

SIAP but how was this not a foul? Durant stared at him and deliberately threw his elbow into his face. Not sure the exact rules but couldn't that have been a flagrant? That was no accident in the spirit of play.
 

That's the definition of a flagrant 2, non basketball move with intent to injure. But it's a superstar, so nothing will happen. Would be great if the NBA suspended Durant next game, and we get a repeat of how they lost in 2016 with a key player getting suspended for doing something stupid.

[Dutchrudder 11115]

had all three guys who left early in 2006 stayed at Texas:
G- DJ Augustin
G- Boobie Gibson
G/F- Kevin Durant
F- PJ Tucker 
F/C- LaMarcus Aldridge
Bench:
AJ Abrams
Damion James
Justin Mason
Connor Atchley
we would have gone undefeated and played Florida in the most hyped title game ever.
 

With a little luck, that's a Finals team.

[elguapo 4583]

Nah I'll blame the student.

[aggie08 21434]

From Zach Lowe:

Houston is plus-21 in 45 minutes with P.J. Tucker at center against the Warriors. That (very small) lineup has rebounded 35.4% of its own misses, which is comical. Warriors have been awful boxing out Tucker.

Felt like Tucker rebounded 100% of their misses in the last 5 minutes. What a beast.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

21 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

had all three guys who left early in 2006 stayed at Texas:

G- DJ Augustin

G- Boobie Gibson

G/F- Kevin Durant

F- PJ Tucker 

F/C- LaMarcus Aldridge

Bench:

AJ Abrams

Damion James

Justin Mason

Connor Atchley

we would have gone undefeated and played Florida in the most hyped title game ever.

 

Holy shit. That would have been one of the best college teams ever on paper. With Rick Barnes coaching, it loses to a scrappy underdog in the Elite 8.

[Goo Punch 4275]

20 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

24 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

had all three guys who left early in 2006 stayed at Texas:
G- DJ Augustin
G- Boobie Gibson
G/F- Kevin Durant
F- PJ Tucker 
F/C- LaMarcus Aldridge
Bench:
AJ Abrams
Damion James
Justin Mason
Connor Atchley
we would have gone undefeated and played Florida in the most hyped title game ever.
 

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With a little luck, that's a Finals team.

lol for real. in the East? shit, that's the one seed. 

[Goo Punch 4275]

3 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

From Zach Lowe:

Houston is plus-21 in 45 minutes with P.J. Tucker at center against the Warriors. That (very small) lineup has rebounded 35.4% of its own misses, which is comical. Warriors have been awful boxing out Tucker.

Felt like Tucker rebounded 100% of their misses in the last 5 minutes. What a beast.

Tucker is a monster on the offensive glass. A true rebounding artist a la Chuck or Rodman. 

[MoJames 8241]

26 minutes ago, elguapo said:

 

[Dutchrudder 11115]

lol for real. in the East? shit, that's the one seed. 

I thought we were talking about NCAA Finals.

[LTtxfan 48979]

18 minutes ago, MoJames said:

 

 

 

[Slacks 6791]

Draymond is a dirty mfer...

I've been giving him the benefit of the doubt for years... He could just be great, but he can't seem to just be great. He has to always be in some bs...

Two face tracks in two games isn't an accident. You're a dirty fuck.

[TonyTexas 10482]

Kevin Durant has been "dominating" with 36.0 ppg on 59.7% TS, 5.0 reb, 4.5 ast, 40-47 FT. James Harden has been "struggling" with 35.8 ppg on 57.1% TS, 7.3 reb, 5.0 ast, 35-39 FT.

[PittsburghTiger 6137]

To me, it looks like Golden State is unbeatable when they have about four or five passes on offense, like that one Spurs series where they (I think it was) made the Heat look silly. But when they come down on offense, one pass and shoot, like Thompson has been doing, and missing, they are not the best team in the world.

[Vic Mackey 46936]

1 minute ago, PittsburghTiger said:

To me, it looks like Golden State is unbeatable when they have about four or five passes on offense, like that one Spurs series where they (I think it was) made the Heat look silly. But when they come down on offense, one pass and shoot, like Thompson has been doing, and missing, they are not the best team in the world.

Yep that was the 2014 Finals. Spurs played some of the best team ball I have ever seen for an entire series. Embarrassed the Heat. 

[Serak The Preparer 3424]

2 hours ago, ztejas said:

Not until Houston wins another game.

I don't think the Rockets would be, if only because they wouldn't have HCA. Bucks are at +300 right now to win the Finals, Houston is at +400. Warriors still favored at -120 which seems generous to me. 

I actually like MIL at +300 and HOU at +400. Houston played 42 minutes of championship basketball last night. It was the last 6 minutes that I would be concerned about if I was a Rockets fan or had money on them to do anything. 

You understand that the Bucks and Rockets are playing different opponents, with different series, right? The Bucks are much more likely to get to the Finals, which is a pre-requisite of them winning the Finals; the Rockets are less likely. If anything, given the more difficult path that the Rockets have (and the fact that their series is 2-2 vs 3-1), this implies that Houston would absolutely be favored against the Bucks.

[XYZ 2154]

8 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Yep that was the 2014 Finals. Spurs played some of the best team ball I have ever seen for an entire series. Embarrassed the Heat. 

After that series, I think Pop said that they would never play like that again.

[MoJames 8241]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

SIAP but how was this not a foul? Durant stared at him and deliberately threw his elbow into his face. Not sure the exact rules but couldn't that have been a flagrant? That was no accident in the spirit of play.

 

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I'm surprised CP3 wasn't concussed. I mean it's generally those blows that graze your skin which cause the most torsion of the brain when you try to flop to the ground.

[Huckleberry 32702]

Hahaha. Durant barely grazed Paul's chin when going to grab his arm to throw it off of him and we have the usual babies in here crying like he threw a vicious elbow to the face on purpose.

Durant's elbow comes from Paul's right but somehow the sheer force of the massive blow causes Paul's head to turn to the right. The same direction the "vicious elbow" came from.

Edited May 7, 2019 by Huckleberry

[MoJames 8241]

1 hour ago, FondrenRoad said:

Holy shit. That would have been one of the best college teams ever on paper. With Rick Barnes coaching, it loses to a scrappy underdog in the Elite 8.

[Huckleberry 32702]

I mean seriously, watch that gif again. Paul's head and chin don't move at all from the elbow contact. The first actual movement by Paul in response to contact is when Durant's forearm hits his chest. Paul's head and chin actually move forward relative to his body first because his chin isn't even really hit but his chest is.

Then he turns his head to the side and contorts his body in a spin to the ground in a standard issue terrible flop.

Edited May 7, 2019 by Huckleberry

[Vic Mackey 46936]

43 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Hahaha. Durant barely grazed Paul's chin when going to grab his arm to throw it off of him and we have the usual babies in here crying like he threw a vicious elbow to the face on purpose.

Durant's elbow comes from Paul's right but somehow the sheer force of the massive blow causes Paul's head to turn to the right. The same direction the "vicious elbow" came from.

He did throw it on purpose. That is pretty fucking clear. Who is saying it was vicious? Doesn't matter. It was a deliberate, dirty play. A lot of dirty players in this series so I guess let it play on and have them beat up on each other.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

It doesn't look as bad zoomed in and in slow motion. 

[huge 3788]

Flopper put a forearm in Mister Chippys back and when he retaliated Flopper did as floppers do.

It wasn't a huge blow but in the context of those two it was entirely predictable.  If someone had done that to Draymond he might have been seriously hurt when he FLOPPPPPPED.

Plenty of bad actors in this series, makes PJ look like a saint and the most likable player on either team by a mile.

[Goo Punch 4275]

29 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

He did throw it on purpose. That is pretty fucking clear. Who is saying it was vicious? Doesn't matter. It was a deliberate, dirty play. A lot of dirty players in this series so I guess let it play on and have them beat up on each other.

Durant didn't throw an elbow, he went to get Paul's arm off him and his elbow happened to go near Paul's face. I thought he threw an intentional elbow myself until i saw that super slow mo replay.

[Huckleberry 32702]

37 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

He did throw it on purpose. That is pretty fucking clear. Who is saying it was vicious? Doesn't matter. It was a deliberate, dirty play. A lot of dirty players in this series so I guess let it play on and have them beat up on each other.

It's not clear to anyone intelligent because it didn't happen. He was going to grab Paul's arm to throw it off of him because it was in his back. You know, if you're not just seeing what you want to see because you have a vendetta.

[Goo Punch 4275]

also, for as much as people talk about Draymond and KD and disliking their antics, Chris Paul has been one of the dirtiest, floppingest players in the league for a decade. He's in the same class as Draymond and The Worm when it comes to playing dirty, pushing the boundaries, and being theatrical. Honestly no use in complaining about any of it. Just sit back and enjoy the drama. It's like a soap opera for men watching these two teams go at it. Just a shame that Beverly is no longer around. But Tucker likes to mix it up as well, and he's much more adept at doing it slyly than any of these other guys, so we got that going for us.

[Llano Estacado 1257]

Goo is correct. Cat is out of the bag.

[Beau Vine 54003]

57 minutes ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

It doesn't look as bad zoomed in and in slow motion. 

It doesn't look as bad.  That's one way to put it.

[Beau Vine 54003]

28 minutes ago, Goo Punch said:

also, for as much as people talk about Draymond and KD and disliking their antics, Chris Paul has been one of the dirtiest, floppingest players in the league for a decade. He's in the same class as Draymond and The Worm when it comes to playing dirty, pushing the boundaries, and being theatrical. Honestly no use in complaining about any of it. Just sit back and enjoy the drama. It's like a soap opera for men watching these two teams go at it. Just a shame that Beverly is no longer around. But Tucker likes to mix it up as well, and he's much more adept at doing it slyly than any of these other guys, so we got that going for us.

But he's a union officer!  He was elected!

[MoJames 8241]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

It doesn't look as bad.  That's one way to put it.

Another way to put it is it looks harmless.

[TonyTexas 10482]

Replay does a poor job of indicating force of impact. I’m sure many thought Hardin was being dramatic about his head shot last night until they saw Durant holding his elbow.

[MoJames 8241]

Just now, TonyTexas said:

Replay does a poor job of indicating force of impact. I’m sure many thought Hardin was being dramatic about his head shot last night until they saw Durant holding his elbow.

Granted momentum or physics is a fairly good indicator of force.

[Huckleberry 32702]

16 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

Replay does a poor job of indicating force of impact. I’m sure many thought Hardin was being dramatic about his head shot last night until they saw Durant holding his elbow.

If there had been any kind of impact then Paul's chin, face, or head would have moved. Replays do a 100% perfect job of showing whether there was a physical reaction to an impact.

Like when Paul's chest moves from the forearm impact, for example.

Edited May 7, 2019 by Huckleberry

[elguapo 4583]

One day rest between games from here out, will be interesting to see if it has an impact on GS with their starters playing so many minutes to this point.

[Pam Cummings 9581]

How is thinking the Bucks or Raptors can handle Houston in a 7 game series being a hater? Those teams are absolutely good enough to beat Houston.

[ztejas 43266]

42 minutes ago, elguapo said:

One day rest between games from here out, will be interesting to see if it has an impact on GS with their starters playing so many minutes to this point.

Durant is the only one playing heavy minutes compared to the Rockets starters. Not sure if they can keep playing him 45 mins a game but also not sure if CP3 can keep playing almost 40 mins per game. 

[elguapo 4583]

16 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Durant is the only one playing heavy minutes compared to the Rockets starters. Not sure if they can keep playing him 45 mins a game but also not sure if CP3 can keep playing almost 40 mins per game. 

Yes, but if fatigue starts to become more of a factor Rockets in theory should be able to rely on their bench more than GS.

AI is also averaging ~34m per game compared to ~23m per game in the regular season, and he only played over 30m 3 times in the regular season.

Edited May 7, 2019 by elguapo

[MoJames 8241]

16 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Yes, but if fatigue starts to become more of a factor Rockets in theory should be able to rely on their bench more than GS.

AI is also averaging ~34m per game compared to ~23m per game in the regular season, and he only played over 30m 3 times in the regular season.

Well and Rockets have the oldest roster in the league, making it harder on them in that respect.

[aggie08 21434]

14 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Yes, but if fatigue starts to become more of a factor Rockets in theory should be able to rely on their bench more than GS.

What bench? Both teams are basically playing 6 guys at this point. Anyone else they throw out there gets immediately targeted. I'd give Houston a slight advantage because Shumpert hasn't been a complete disaster, so they've been able to steal a few minutes here and there. Conversely, Livingston can't even tread water for a couple of minutes anymore.

[elguapo 4583]

7 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What bench? Both teams are basically playing 6 guys at this point. Anyone else they throw out there gets immediately targeted. I'd give Houston a slight advantage because Shumpert hasn't been a complete disaster, so they've been able to steal a few minutes here and there. Conversely, Livingston can't even tread water for a couple of minutes anymore.

Rockets also have Rivers coming off the bench, GS doesn't have anyone that can provide a spark like him.

Rockets bench is outscoring GS 76-42 so far. Not super significant at this point but could be more of a factor the rest of the series.

[MoJames 8241]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

Rockets also have Rivers coming off the bench, GS doesn't have anyone that can provide a spark like him.

Rockets bench is outscoring GS 76-42 so far. Not super significant at this point but could be more of a factor the rest of the series.

I thought the discussion was about how the bench would effect the stamina of the team. How does this comment expand on that discussion?

[elguapo 4583]

9 minutes ago, MoJames said:

I thought the discussion was about how the bench would effect the stamina of the team. How does this comment expand on that discussion?

Well I was responding to another poster who said "What bench" implying that neither team's bench has been or will be a factor. The stats show that Rockets bench has outplayed GS and if fatigue becomes more of a factor that could be amplified.

Also, try to be less of a pedant.

Edited May 7, 2019 by elguapo