2019 San Antonio Spurs Offseason Thread -- Rebuild or Run it Back?

[Zombie 284]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

So.... just gives more credence to the fact that this has always been about going back to California.  We probably weren't going to keep him regardless of what happened.

 

Plus how much more would that $221M have been considering the income taxes in California versus none in Texas.

[Machinator 32099]

1 hour ago, Llogg said:

The quoted tweet explicitly states the re-worked deal allows them to preserve the MLE. Is that incorrect for some reason?

No, I was confused because the Marcus Morris news hadn't come out yet. Looks like Morris will be getting the MLE.

[Radical Larry 28651]

Yeah, the S&T for Carroll had to be for three years. That freed up the entire MLE for Morris. Like PB posted earlier, I’d rather have traded Marco but am willing to part with Bertans to get Morris.

[housious 468]

I’m cautiously optimistic about next year 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

The Carroll signing and Morris trade is basically PATFO trying to shore up our defensive wings by sacrificing a little shooting.  Pop will feel much better with throwing out Morris (solid defensive stretch 4) to having Davis out there.  Same with Carroll in bench minutes.  I have also read that they were trying to challenge Lonnie into embracing being a defensive stopper, which would be sort of dumb, but it's part of the Spurs fabric.  They probably just don't want him to become a defensive liability.

I could see the lineups like this:

Small ball lineup, let's call it Lineup A:

Starters -- Murray, White, DeRozan, Morris, LMA

Bench -- Patty, Lonnie, Rudy, Carroll, Jakob

Situational guys -- Forbes and Marco.

Lineup B (Big ball):

Starters:  Murray, DeRozan, Gay, LMA, Jakob

Bench:  Patty, White, Lonnie, Morris, and Carroll.  (Have to stagger some minutes with LMA and Jakob).

Probably be a ton of different combos you can do but with Murray coming back, Lonnie getting more time and the addition of Carroll and Morris, we should be more stout on the wings.  

 

[LTtxfan 49304]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

No, I was confused because the Marcus Morris news hadn't come out yet. Looks like Morris will be getting the MLE.

Thx for admitting your mistake. (Your original response just didn't make sense.)

 Knew going from 2yr to 3yrs on Carroll deal had to mean another Spurs roster change for this season using the MLE (Morris). 

Morris can leave Spurs after a year but Bertans was also eligible to leave Spurs as a UFA next summer.

Edited July 7, 2019 by LTtxfan

[LTtxfan 49304]

Had not seen this mentioned --  Spurs also gave Brooklyn rights to Nemanja Dangubic (he was a 2nd Rd Pick that is playing in Germany)

[LTtxfan 49304]

Good article...

"The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have acquired forward DeMarre Carroll from the Brooklyn Nets. In the three-team deal, San Antonio sends forward Davis Bertans to Washington and the draft rights to Nemanja Dangubic to Brooklyn, while the Wizards send the draft rights to Aaron White to the Nets."

Edited July 7, 2019 by LTtxfan

[hornfan785 557]

I'm optimistic about next year. Championship? Probably not. But, I'm liking the moves they've made and really looking forward to how they play together, especially with Murray being healthy and another year of experience for the younger guys.

[SilasCoade 2622]

46 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

The Carroll signing and Morris trade is basically PATFO trying to shore up our defensive wings by sacrificing a little shooting.  Pop will feel much better with throwing out Morris (solid defensive stretch 4) to having Davis out there.  Same with Carroll in bench minutes.  I have also read that they were trying to challenge Lonnie into embracing being a defensive stopper, which would be sort of dumb, but it's part of the Spurs fabric.  They probably just don't want him to become a defensive liability.

I could see the lineups like this:

Small ball lineup, let's call it Lineup A:

Starters -- Murray, White, DeRozan, Morris, LMA

Bench -- Patty, Lonnie, Rudy, Carroll, Jakob

Situational guys -- Forbes and Marco.

Lineup B (Big ball):

Starters:  Murray, DeRozan, Gay, LMA, Jakob

Bench:  Patty, White, Lonnie, Morris, and Carroll.  (Have to stagger some minutes with LMA and Jakob).

Probably be a ton of different combos you can do but with Murray coming back, Lonnie getting more time and the addition of Carroll and Morris, we should be more stout on the wings.  

 

You really don't think much of Forbes, huh?

[LTtxfan 49304]

Interesting Take.... but Spurs could have received more for Kawhi.

John Diaz.  @byJohnDiaz

 

So the Spurs traded George Hill for what has evolved into DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl, DeMarre Carroll and Keldon Johnson

[LTtxfan 49304]

 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

36 minutes ago, Llogg said:

You really don't think much of Forbes, huh?

I don’t have anything against him.  Good story, hard worker but where do you see his minutes coming from?  Remember he’s a bit limited defensively.

[XYZ 2154]

So now the team has a DeMar and a DeMarre?

[BradInATX 9208]

I don’t have anything against him.  Good story, hard worker but where do you see his minutes coming from?  Remember he’s a bit limited defensively.

Bryn Forbes is one of those overrated homegrown guys. He isn't good at all. He isn't good with us and he certainly wont be good when some stupid team overpays him next year. What's Kyle Anderson up to these days anyway?  

 

Love the Morris signing. We are not going to suck next year. We're going to be salty as fuck. We aren't going to hang banners but even the top tier teams will be praying they don't draw us in the playoffs.

 

 

[SilasCoade 2622]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I don’t have anything against him.  Good story, hard worker but where do you see his minutes coming from?  Remember he’s a bit limited defensively.

If Patty continues to decline Bryn would be a better option, imo. His play improved considerably last year.

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

12 minutes ago, Llogg said:

If Patty continues to decline Bryn would be a better option, imo. His play improved considerably last year.

Okay, fair enough.... now go convince Pop this.

 

[C-Man 27235]

Interesting Take.... but Spurs could have received more for Kawhi.
John Diaz.  @byJohnDiaz   So the Spurs traded George Hill for what has evolved into DeMar DeRozan, Jakob Poeltl, DeMarre Carroll and Keldon Johnson

And an NBA Championship and another Finals appearance.

[Welch 635]

10 hours ago, XYZ said:

So now the team has a DeMar and a DeMarre?

And a Marcus and a LaMarcus.

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

24 minutes ago, Welch said:

And a Marcus and a LaMarcus.

And Marco

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

It's a shame they didn't end up with cousins. It would have completed all of the permutations. 

[LTtxfan 49304]

Tracking Contracts on Spotrac...

Point Guard

Mills.         age30   $12.4M   2021UFA 

Murray      age22    $2.3M     2020RFA 

White        age25    $1.95M   2021RFA   Club2020*

Shooting Guard 

DeRozan    age29   $27.7M    2021UFA

Marco        age33    $5.8M     2020UFA 

Forbes      age25     $2.8M      2020UFA 

Walker      age20     $2.7M      2022RFA  Club2020*

Small Forward

Gay          age32    $15.6M      2021UFA 

Carroll.   age32      $6.7M.      2022UFA 

Keldon    age19      $1.9M      2023RFA  Club2021*

Power Forward

LMA        age33      $26M.      2021UFA 

Morris    age29       $9.7M     2021UFA Player2020*

Luka      age19.       $2.7M     2023RFA  Club2021*

Metu     age22       $1.4M      2021RFA 

Center

Poeltl     age23      $3.7M      2020RFA 

 

*Option Years

 

Great Website.....

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/yearly/cap/

 

Edited July 7, 2019 by LTtxfan

[housious 468]

Fuck it, we’re winning the championship 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

Basically a 1 year deal.  Really hope Carroll's 3rd year is a partial guarantee.

[LTtxfan 49304]

10 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Basically a 1 year deal.  Really hope Carroll's 3rd year is a partial guarantee.

Clippers may take awhile to gel.  Lakers will probably wear down late in the year.  GS hurt by no KD and limited time with Klay.

Seems like Spurs have their best chance in quite awhile to make a big playoff run during this 2019-2020 season.  After that, it's time to rebuild.

Edited July 7, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

7 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Basically a 1 year deal.  Really hope Carroll's 3rd year is a partial guarantee.

It's kinda the same deal they did with Gay and it's worked well for both sides so far. 

I don't like it that they had to add the third year considering how old Carroll is but apparently you can't sign and trade for less than three years. I imagine it's fully guaranteed. In this day and age, a $7 million contract isn't that much to eat if he becomes dead weight on the roster. 

All in all, they made some really solid moves to finish the team while addressing their biggest holes and not killing their future cap. They are going to have one of the deepest benches in the league. I like the blend between some rugged vets and some young guys feeling their way. They aren't championship contenders but they should be fun to watch. 

[Radical Larry 28651]

Basically a 1 year deal.  Really hope Carroll's 3rd year is a partial guarantee.

Second comment on that tweet is asking if we’ll trade for Westbrook.


Every fan base has its idiots.

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

7 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

It's kinda the same deal they did with Gay and it's worked well for both sides so far. 

I don't like it that they had to add the third year considering how old Carroll is but apparently you can't sign and trade for less than three years. I imagine it's fully guaranteed. In this day and age, a $7 million contract isn't that much to eat if he becomes dead weight on the roster. 

All in all, they made some really solid moves to finish the team while addressing their biggest holes and not killing their future cap. They are going to have one of the deepest benches in the league. I like the blend between some rugged vets and some young guys feeling their way. They aren't championship contenders but they should be fun to watch. 

You mean Morris' deal is like Rudy's?  Yes, the structure is, but the big difference was Rudy was coming off of Achilles surgery and basically his first year was a recovery year.  He also opted out but came back twice.  If anyone thinks we have an organizational issue around treating injuries because of Kawhi, I would hope how we helped Rudy and respected his recovery won us some points back.  Agree with our roster.  Very deep with good solid players, just no upper tier guys anymore.  Pop will enjoy coaching this team a little more than yesterday.  I would imagine if we make the playoffs, we'll be a tough out.  I also hope Pop understands that developing guys like Lonnie and the rookies has to get done.

 

[LTtxfan 49304]

3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

  Agree with our roster.  Very deep with good solid players, just no upper tier guys anymore.  Pop will enjoy coaching this team a little more than yesterday.  I would imagine if we make the playoffs, we'll be a tough out.  I also hope Pop understands that developing guys like Lonnie and the rookies has to get done.

 

If they stay healthy, this Spurs team could end up in Western Conference Finals...  😎

Edited July 7, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

Rookies star today....

 

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

Despite a pretty awful first impression, Keldon is growing on me the more and more I watch. Lots of hustle, seems to have an innate sense of where to be on defense, and can get to the rim in transition or when the play breaks down. He's really rough around the edges but he's a scrapper. They may have found something with him. 

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

5 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

They are going to have one of the deepest benches in the league. I like the blend between some rugged vets and some young guys feeling their way. They aren't championship contenders but they should be fun to watch. 

Yes but we're proper fucker if lamarcus goes down.  

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Despite a pretty awful first impression, Keldon is growing on me the more and more I watch. Lots of hustle, seems to have an innate sense of where to be on defense, and can get to the rim in transition or when the play breaks down. He's really rough around the edges but he's a scrapper. They may have found something with him. 

So you're saying he's a young manu.  Awesome 

[Chad 1728]

I'm liking the addition of Marcus Morris more and more by the day. When I think about it Bertans was likely playing his last year for the Spurs and he was a sieve on defense along with possessing no offensive ability besides 3 point shooting. With all the money being thrown around in Free Agency to mediocre players in recent years there was no way Bertans wouldn't opt out of his final year and cash in elsewhere following the 2019-2020 season. Ultimately the Spurs got a lot tougher with the addition of Morris and unloaded a 3 point specialist who wasn't strong enough to play in the paint and couldn't defend to save his life. The Spurs have a deep team and the front court has been strengthened with the additions of Morris and Carroll.

[Cajun 11721]

On 7/6/2019 at 7:29 PM, LTtxfan said:

Good article...

"The San Antonio Spurs today announced that they have acquired forward DeMarre Carroll from the Brooklyn Nets. In the three-team deal, San Antonio sends forward Davis Bertans to Washington and the draft rights to Nemanja Dangubic to Brooklyn, while the Wizards send the draft rights to Aaron White to the Nets."

I looked at that pic of DeMarre and was going to post, "When did Malik Rose grow a beard?"

Then I googled up some old pics of Malik and realized how bad my memory has gotten.

Probably just some latent racism from my time occupying the Deep South.  Better rub a little Robitussen on it.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Cajun

[Cajun 11721]

13 hours ago, dingleberryswitzer said:

So you're saying he's a young manu.  Awesome 

Nobody is a young Manu.

Mold broken.

[ztejas 43504]

8 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Nobody is a young Manu.

Mold broken.

He's like a middle aged Joe Dumars. 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

20 hours ago, Radical Larry said:

 

 

Second comment on that tweet is asking if we’ll trade for Westbrook.


Every fan base has its idiots.

 

 

Tell me about it....  Okay, so which one of you is Drummer Boy?

 

[Kermit 3157]

Wait? Dudes actually want Basketball AIDS on the Spurs? 

[Kermit 3157]

Wait? Dudes actually want Basketball AIDS on the Spurs? 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

Russ is terribad, do not want

[ztejas 43504]

Fuck. No. I'd rather have Demarcus Cousins, Andrew Wiggins and Joe Barry Carroll. 

[Cajun 11721]

Anybody thinking Westbrook even has one/one billionth possibility of being a Spur under Greg Popovich needs a little refresher...

Quote

On Friday, reporters asked Gregg Popovich what kinds of qualities the Spurs look for in players (and staff), and his response was long, enlightening, and, oddly, inspiring ( via ESPN's Baxter Holmes😞 "For us, it's easy. We're looking for character, but what the hell does that mean? We're looking for people — and I've said it many times — [who] have gotten over themselves, and you can tell that pretty quickly. You can talk to somebody for four or five minutes, and you can tell if it's about them, or if they understand that they're just a piece of the puzzle. So we look for that. A sense of humor is a huge thing with us. You've got to be able to laugh. You've got to be able to take a dig, give a dig — that sort of thing. And [you have to] feel comfortable in your own skin that you don't have all the answers. [We want] people who are participatory. The guys in the film room can tell me what they think of how we played last night if they want to. [Former Assistant GM] Sean Marks would sit in on our coaches' meetings when we're arguing about how to play the pick-and-roll or who we're going to play or who we're going to sit. 

"We need people who can handle information and not take it personally because in most of these organizations, there's a big divide. All of the sudden, the wall goes up between management and coaching and everybody is ready to blame back and forth and that's the rule rather than the exception. It just happens. But that's about people. It's about finding people who have all of those qualities. So, we do our best to look for that and when somebody comes, they figure it out pretty quick."

Ain't happening.

Edited July 8, 2019 by Cajun

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

I think Lonnie is done with SL.

32 points for him tonight.

[Chad 1728]

27 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I think Lonnie is done with SL.

32 points for him tonight.

Reminiscent of Derrick White tearing it up last year.

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

On 7/7/2019 at 2:13 PM, Patrick Bateman said:

Basically a 1 year deal.  Really hope Carroll's 3rd year is a partial guarantee.

Imagine if we stretched it... in a couple of years?  lol.  Partially guaranteed 3rd year.  

 

[Braff Zacklin 13628]

Los eSpurs need length, youth, and a bona fide rim protector. Can we somehow acquire Jaxson Hayes?

[Kermit 3157]

8 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Los eSpurs need length, youth, and a bona fide rim protector. Can we somehow acquire Jaxson Hayes?

He just killed a man.

[BurdineBandit 815]

13 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I think Lonnie is done with SL.

32 points for him tonight.

He looked like the best player on the floor. Apparently the Raptors' summer league team is pretty terrible, but this is 2 games in a row for Lonnie. He just glides past everyone out there. Still got caught in the air with no plan 2 or 3 times last night, but usually finds a way to finish. And his shot was ON.

I hadn't had a chance to watch the Summer Spurs yet, was surprised that Drew Eubanks was the 2nd best player on the floor last night. He looks quick and springy and nimble at the rim. Also made some dumb passes/turnovers though.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

4 hours ago, BurdineBandit said:

He looked like the best player on the floor. Apparently the Raptors' summer league team is pretty terrible, but this is 2 games in a row for Lonnie. He just glides past everyone out there. Still got caught in the air with no plan 2 or 3 times last night, but usually finds a way to finish. And his shot was ON.

I hadn't had a chance to watch the Summer Spurs yet, was surprised that Drew Eubanks was the 2nd best player on the floor last night. He looks quick and springy and nimble at the rim. Also made some dumb passes/turnovers though.

Walker has looked like the best player on the floor in every game he's played in so far. Considering how little playing time he actually got as a rookie, his progress is pretty damn impressive. With his quickness and hops, that pull-up is brutal to guard. If he can make people take him seriously at the three point line, then he will be completely filthy. They are going to have to find minutes for him.

Quinndary Weatherspoon has been surprisingly really good too. I'm glad they have him on a two way deal. That's like getting a free roster spot and he might be the most NBA ready player out of the three rookies, which I suppose isn't too surprising since he's 3-4 years older than the other two. He plays with a certain amount of toughness.