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This is how fucked up all of this is: this is pretty much the only CR thread with no GRHorn or Donkey or Don Johnson or Johnny Sack, etc. playing the both sides card or trolling or telling everyone th

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One thing that strikes me is tha lack of voices here or elsewhere to defend against this worst act against democracy. Sure, you're against the abuse of FISA warrants. Me too! We should totally ha

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Today's Wisconsin vote will go down as one of the most shameful episodes in the post-civil rights era.  And it is 100% on the GOP.  This is their baby -- they INSIST on in-person voting in the middle

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15 hours ago, StassneyHorn said:

Already, after like 2 or 3 days, Wisconsin  Chief Justice is finding out elections have consequences, after years of flexing on Democrats.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-conservative-liberal-abortion-redistricting-f0ac7688b73620e5be0eb8ccc5746ae3


if the Wisconsin and Alabama districts can’t be straightened out, hello Dem house 

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On 8/5/2023 at 11:46 PM, StassneyHorn said:

Already, after like 2 or 3 days, Wisconsin  Chief Justice is finding out elections have consequences, after years of flexing on Democrats.

https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-supreme-court-conservative-liberal-abortion-redistricting-f0ac7688b73620e5be0eb8ccc5746ae3

 

Can you believe they'd be so brazen as to.... checks notes.....

 

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On Friday, liberal justices voted to make a wide array of changes to how the court operates, including reducing powers of the chief justice, making its administrative meetings open to the public and forming a committee to study when justices should recuse themselves from cases.

The court’s administrative conferences had been open since 1999 until conservatives closed them in 2012. Justices don’t discuss cases in public, but the meetings are used to talk about budgets, court policies and other issues.

 

Open up meetings to the ... PUBLIC?! AND look into making judges racoons, no, refuse, i mean, Syracuse ..... re-cuse one's self. 

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What has this country come to?!

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I'm waiting for a state with reasonably priced real estate and a balanced budget (sorry california, you're too expensive and your public school system is a mess until college), to start an arms race for teachers. If you're Minnesota, and you're sitting on a 17.5 billion dollar suprlus, why don't you throw 5 billion at education? Start attracting the best of the best public school teachers, give them great benefits, upgrade the salaries of all the existing teachers, give teachers preferential/subsidized loans like veterans can get for homes, and really lean into education. Not only will you have great schools, which will attract families, but you'll also attract businesses who want to capitalize on those? 

Massachusetts has great schools. I don't get why you don't see more campaigns to challenge other states and attract the best. You'll get the benefit of lots of middle class peple interested in relocating. At the very least, other states will have to invest more resources to try to raise their own salaries and resources on education. Since, you know, common sense and human decency won't do it, maybe fucking competition will lift all ships. 

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5 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Watch this. Watch it with everyone with the sound way the fuck up!

 

 

Moar of this please

5 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


She's not going to make a lot of headway by claiming she's a "vorOcious reader to this day." 

Every other word she spoke was spot on, as far as I can tell.

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5 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Massachusetts has great schools. I don't get why you don't see more campaigns to challenge other states and attract the best. You'll get the benefit of lots of middle class peple interested in relocating. At the very least, other states will have to invest more resources to try to raise their own salaries and resources on education. Since, you know, common sense and human decency won't do it, maybe fucking competition will lift all ships. 

Massachusetts pays six figures for their teachers (of course cost-of-living is high, but still). We know a few teachers who have moved up there, and they are happy and treated like professionals, and it's reflected in their schools.

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Massachusetts pays six figures for their teachers (of course cost-of-living is high, but still). We know a few teachers who have moved up there, and they are happy and treated like professionals, and it's reflected in their schools.

Plus they aren’t required to burn books, which brings insurance premiums down.
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48 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Massachusetts pays six figures for their teachers (of course cost-of-living is high, but still). We know a few teachers who have moved up there, and they are happy and treated like professionals, and it's reflected in their schools.

Yes, cost of living in Boston and the surrounds is higher, but MA as a whole is not that terribly expensive.  

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6 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Wish we could have seen his answers to the questions she axed. 

You're betraying your own lack of knowledge and education, in particular the etymology of that word along with the history of its pronunciation. Are there any specific words in your vernacular that you say or pronounce with a Texas accent that anyone might find funny? I'd bet there are. 

To wit:

Why Chaucer Said 'Ax' Instead Of 'Ask,' And Why Some Still Do

The most common stereotype of black vernacular is the pronunciation of the word "ask" as "ax." "Ax" has gotten a bad rap for years. Pronounce "ask" as "ax," and immediately many will assume that you're poor, black and uneducated. New York City's first African-American schools chancellor, Dr. Richard R. Green, put it on his list of "speech demons." He insisted that "ax" be eradicated from students' vocabulary.

Garrard McClendon, a professor at Chicago State University, is the author of Ax or Ask? The African American Guide to Better English. He says his parents were well-aware of the stigma attached to "ax" and taught him there's a time and a place to use it.

"When you're with your little friends, you can speak any way you want to speak, all right? But the minute you get in a spelling bee or in a job interview, switch it up quick," McClendon recalls. "I've taught my children to do that as well."

Sketch comedy duo Keegan-Michael Key and Jordan Peele joke that because they're half-white, they're constantly switching back and forth. "If it happens four times in a sentence," Key says, "[you're] probably going to get two axes, two asks."

Talking over each other, they add:

"But when a cop comes up to you, you definitely use a lot of 'asks.'

"Ask away, officer, ask away!"

"Anything you want to ask me, I'll be happy to answer, officer."

Jesse Sheidlower, the president of the American Dialect Society, says "ax" has been used for a thousand years. "It is not a new thing; it is not a mistake," he says. "It is a regular feature of English."

Sheidlower says you can trace "ax" back to the eighth century. The pronunciation derives from the Old English verb "acsian." Chaucer used "ax." It's in the first complete English translation of the Bible (the Coverdale Bible): " 'Axe and it shall be given.'

"So at that point it wasn't a mark of people who weren't highly educated or people who were in the working class," Stanford University linguist John Rickford says. He says it's hard to pinpoint why "ax" stopped being popular but stayed put in the American South and the Caribbean, where he's originally from. But "over time it became a marker of identity," he says.

Indians in South Africa, black Caribbeans, and African-Americans use "ax." Rickford says it's the empire striking back: taking language that has been imposed and making it your own. He adds that eliminating words like "ax" may help one fare better in a job interview, "but not necessarily fare better in terms of the people you hang out with, or not necessarily fare better in asserting your own identity. You got to remember a lot of these language varieties are learned in people's homes. It's how people's mothers spoke, their fathers spoke, their friends spoke. I don't think any linguist is recommending that you get rid of your vernacular, because you need it — in a sense — for your soul."

Linguistic versatility is ideal, says Rickford, interchanging "ax" and "ask" depending on the setting: code switching. But, he adds, there's nothing technically wrong with saying "ax" — it's just no longer considered mainstream English.

We can anticipate the discussion that will happen in the comments about this piece, so we'll go ahead and share two common perspectives about this linguistic phenomenon. We leave it up to you to decide who makes the better argument.

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You're betraying your own lack of knowledge and education, in particular the etymology of that word along with the history of its pronunciation. Are there any specific words in your vernacular that you say or pronounce with a Texas accent that anyone might find funny? I'd bet there are. 

To wit:

Why Chaucer Said 'Ax' Instead Of 'Ask,' And Why Some Still Do

The most common stereotype of black vernacular is the pronunciation of the word "ask" as "ax." "Ax" has gotten a bad rap for years. Pronounce "ask" as "ax," and immediately many will assume that you're poor, black and uneducated. New York City's first African-American schools chancellor, Dr. Richard R. Green, put it on his list of "speech demons." He insisted that "ax" be eradicated from students' vocabulary.

Garrard McClendon, a professor at Chicago State University, is the author of Ax or Ask? The African American Guide to Better English. He says his parents were well-aware of the stigma attached to "ax" and taught him there's a time and a place to use it.

"When you're with your little friends, you can speak any way you want to speak, all right? But the minute you get in a spelling bee or in a job interview, switch it up quick," McClendon recalls. "I've taught my children to do that as well."

Sketch comedy duo Keegan-Michael Key and Jordan Peele joke that because they're half-white, they're constantly switching back and forth. "If it happens four times in a sentence," Key says, "[you're] probably going to get two axes, two asks."

Talking over each other, they add:

"But when a cop comes up to you, you definitely use a lot of 'asks.'

"Ask away, officer, ask away!"

"Anything you want to ask me, I'll be happy to answer, officer."

Jesse Sheidlower, the president of the American Dialect Society, says "ax" has been used for a thousand years. "It is not a new thing; it is not a mistake," he says. "It is a regular feature of English."

Sheidlower says you can trace "ax" back to the eighth century. The pronunciation derives from the Old English verb "acsian." Chaucer used "ax." It's in the first complete English translation of the Bible (the Coverdale Bible): " 'Axe and it shall be given.'

"So at that point it wasn't a mark of people who weren't highly educated or people who were in the working class," Stanford University linguist John Rickford says. He says it's hard to pinpoint why "ax" stopped being popular but stayed put in the American South and the Caribbean, where he's originally from. But "over time it became a marker of identity," he says.

Indians in South Africa, black Caribbeans, and African-Americans use "ax." Rickford says it's the empire striking back: taking language that has been imposed and making it your own. He adds that eliminating words like "ax" may help one fare better in a job interview, "but not necessarily fare better in terms of the people you hang out with, or not necessarily fare better in asserting your own identity. You got to remember a lot of these language varieties are learned in people's homes. It's how people's mothers spoke, their fathers spoke, their friends spoke. I don't think any linguist is recommending that you get rid of your vernacular, because you need it — in a sense — for your soul."

Linguistic versatility is ideal, says Rickford, interchanging "ax" and "ask" depending on the setting: code switching. But, he adds, there's nothing technically wrong with saying "ax" — it's just no longer considered mainstream English.

We can anticipate the discussion that will happen in the comments about this piece, so we'll go ahead and share two common perspectives about this linguistic phenomenon. We leave it up to you to decide who makes the better argument.

Well, I did not know that.  I thought it was just an ignint mispronunciation.  My parents were raised in the country where "cain't" and "ain't" among other colloquialisms were common in non-ironic ways.  They were vigilant about me adopting any of that sort of colloquial slang, even ironically and cringed when their parents and others back home said it.  Nothing racial or "code-switching" about it, just didn't want to sound ignorant or country.

In some ways, I guess that's succumbing to "peer pressure" or being inauthentic.  In other ways, it just seems like a smart thing to do.  I dunno.

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Well, I did not know that.  I thought it was just an ignint mispronunciation.  My parents were raised in the country where "cain't" and "ain't" among other colloquialisms were common in non-ironic ways.  They were vigilant about me adopting any of that sort of colloquial slang, even ironically and cringed when their parents and others back home said it.  Nothing racial or "code-switching" about it, just didn't want to sound ignorant or country.

In some ways, I guess that's succumbing to "peer pressure" or being inauthentic.  In other ways, it just seems like a smart thing to do.  I dunno.

I don’t think quoting Chaucer to a racist redneck is going to change their mind. Seems like a stretch anyway. 

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51 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, I did not know that.  I thought it was just an ignint mispronunciation.  My parents were raised in the country where "cain't" and "ain't" among other colloquialisms were common in non-ironic ways.  They were vigilant about me adopting any of that sort of colloquial slang, even ironically and cringed when their parents and others back home said it.  Nothing racial or "code-switching" about it, just didn't want to sound ignorant or country.

In some ways, I guess that's succumbing to "peer pressure" or being inauthentic.  In other ways, it just seems like a smart thing to do.  I dunno.

Yeah, my mom's mom said "warshing" and "crick." Both of my parents also had pretty strong accents, but I've been told mine is fairly neutral and generically "American." I am, however, very white and have been part of the dominant culture my entire life. I will admit though that when I've had to give public presentations to rural Southern audiences, I can easily "code switch" into a more colloquial vernacular to not seem like some city slicker from that liberal hellhole called Austin.

The point is that we all, either consciously or subconsciously, modulate our speech patterns, accents, and so forth to indicate group identity when it serves us. In the case of this woman, it was likely a subconscious slip for the benefit of the audience in a show of solidarity and to present a united front to an outsider who's taking over their school district. It's obviously a distraction for a bunch of college-educated white guys (and one Persian who desperately wants to be part of the dominant class), but it also underscores her message of defiance. 

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On 8/8/2023 at 6:10 PM, TheStoicPaisano said:

Blind state finding a nut, yada yada.

Forgot about this, but good for them and moreover, the fact there was enough turnout against this means that people are paying attention in Ohio.  The Rs tried to schedule this vote quietly and in an odd time of year so most people wouldn't notice.  They noticed.

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

While Ohio citizens won, crazy that 43% voted to have less rights across the board all because of the abortion debate.

There’s definitely some of that. For a lot of folks, whatever they’re told to do in church, that’s what they’ll do. And some people will vote for whatever the Republicans are selling and leave it at that. If the Republicans are for A today then they’re for A today. If the Republicans are for Not A tomorrow then they’ll be vehemently anti-A tomorrow. (And they’ll insist that’s their opinion and they totally came to it all on their own.)

You should’ve seen some of the ads the Republicans were running to promote the Yes vote. Total disinformation. Pick a popular GOP bogeyman talking point; Issue 1 was going to prevent that very scary thing from happening. It was about protecting the children, protecting parents’ rights, keeping porn out of the schools, keeping the hands of grooming pedophile transgender communist drag queens off your children. Crazy stuff. There’s no doubt there was some percentage of Yes voters who never had a clue what the issue was about. 

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