Voter Suppression

[Voldemort86 2259]

On 8/11/2023 at 7:15 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

There’s definitely some of that. For a lot of folks, whatever they’re told to do in church, that’s what they’ll do. And some people will vote for whatever the Republicans are selling and leave it at that. If the Republicans are for A today then they’re for A today. If the Republicans are for Not A tomorrow then they’ll be vehemently anti-A tomorrow. (And they’ll insist that’s their opinion and they totally came to it all on their own.)

You should’ve seen some of the ads the Republicans were running to promote the Yes vote. Total disinformation. Pick a popular GOP bogeyman talking point; Issue 1 was going to prevent that very scary thing from happening. It was about protecting the children, protecting parents’ rights, keeping porn out of the schools, keeping the hands of grooming pedophile transgender communist drag queens off your children. Crazy stuff. There’s no doubt there was some percentage of Yes voters who never had a clue what the issue was about. 

I really hope we kick their ass next year. All republicans do is lie and dupe people into voting against their own self interests. If you’re not in the top 10%, no reason at all to vote GOP.

[StassneyHorn 6575]

 

[Satchel 6938]

I know this is Texas, but damn!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-texas-supreme-court-rules-040843808.html

Republicans in Texas are laying the groundwork to legally suppress the vote in Harris County— a democratic stronghold and the state’s largest county. On Tuesday, the Republican-controlled Texas Supreme Court ruled Harris County has to disband its elections office by September 1st and give the state's Republican secretary of state oversight power of the county's elections

Edited August 26, 2023 by Satchel

[atomheartbevo 89648]

1 hour ago, Satchel said:

I know this is Texas, but damn!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-texas-supreme-court-rules-040843808.html

Republicans in Texas are laying the groundwork to legally suppress the vote in Harris County— a democratic stronghold and the state’s largest county. On Tuesday, the Republican-controlled Texas Supreme Court ruled Harris County has to disband its elections office by September 1st and give the state's Republican secretary of state oversight power of the county's elections

Republicans have to suppress the fuck out of Harris County.  It's got too many registered voters and can flip the state by itself. Hell, it could, in theory flip the state next year, and then yeah, Republicans nationally are fucked in terms of the White House.

How they are going to get rid of votes will be interesting, but it's completely on brand.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

In June, Alabama was ordered by the Supreme Court to create a second black majority Congressional district. Alabama is about 27% african american but they're only the majority in 1 out of 7 congressional districts.  The Alabama govt's response was to modify the map so that a second district went from 30% to 40% African American. 

Today a federal court rejected the new map and declared it was deeply troubling that Alabama ignored the Supreme Court. The 3 judge panel ordered Alabama to try again and submit a new map by Sept 25th. My bet is that Alabama returns with a new district that increase the African American count from 40% to 42%. Alabama also has an incentive to drag this out to get past the 2024 election.

[Js1 85310]

14 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

In June, Alabama was ordered by the Supreme Court to create a second black majority Congressional district. Alabama is about 27% african american but they're only the majority in 1 out of 7 congressional districts.  The Alabama govt's response was to modify the map so that a second district went from 30% to 40% African American. 

Today a federal court rejected the new map and declared it was deeply troubling that Alabama ignored the Supreme Court. The 3 judge panel ordered Alabama to try again and submit a new map by Sept 25th. My bet is that Alabama returns with a new district that increase the African American count from 40% to 42%. Alabama also has an incentive to drag this out to get past the 2024 election.

Actually no, they appointed a special master to draw 3 maps and they court will pick one.  Alabama can challenge the maps drawn by the special master - both sides can.

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For the 2024 elections, the judges have assigned court-appointed experts to draw three potential maps that each include two districts where Black voters have a realistic opportunity of electing their preferred candidate. Those redistricting proposals are due to the court by Sept. 25.

All sides in this case will be able to challenge the proposals produced by the court's "special master" and cartographer, the judges have said. A hearing on any objections is tentatively set for Oct. 3.

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by Js1

[CooterBrown 18006]

On 8/26/2023 at 4:36 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Republicans have to suppress the fuck out of Harris County.  It's got too many registered voters and can flip the state by itself. Hell, it could, in theory flip the state next year, and then yeah, Republicans nationally are fucked in terms of the White House.

How they are going to get rid of votes will be interesting, but it's completely on brand.

The Elections Office was responsible for organizing poll workers, rolling out equipment, etc.  The State doesn't have to do anything more than do nothing for all of that to just blow up. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

30 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Actually no, they appointed a special master to draw 3 maps and they court will pick one.  Alabama can challenge the maps drawn by the special master - both sides can.

 

Thanks for the correction.

[Js1 85310]

I'm also quite sure Alabama will challenge them all, and try and challenge the one that is chosen, all the way up to SCOTUS.  Could see SCOTUS not even taking the challenge because "we fucking told you once already" 

They probably could have drawn the most borderline district possible that was still entirely winnable for them, but the hubris got the best of them. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

I'm also quite sure Alabama will challenge them all, and try and challenge the one that is chosen, all the way up to SCOTUS.  Could see SCOTUS not even taking the challenge because "we fucking told you once already" 

They probably could have drawn the most borderline district possible that was still entirely winnable for them, but the hubris got the best of them. 

You have to wonder if SCOTUS would vote 9-0 to tell a state that they have to listen to them.

EDIT: Real world realization. Alito and Thomas would look at the underlying question and the best is a 7-2 vote.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Js1 85310]

5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

You have to wonder if SCOTUS would vote 9-0 to tell a state that they have to listen to them.

EDIT: Real world realization. Alito and Thomas would look at the underlying question and the best is a 7-2 vote.

Don't forget the original vote was 5-4. Either way, I don't see Kav or Roberts peeling off to tell Alabama it is okay not to listen to them.  Like you said, I could see it 7-2 if they even took it up, but I could also see the Court just saying "nah, we good" to the challenges because they fucking told them to fix it and Alabama decided they didn't want to. 

[atomheartbevo 89648]

6 hours ago, Js1 said:

Don't forget the original vote was 5-4. Either way, I don't see Kav or Roberts peeling off to tell Alabama it is okay not to listen to them.  Like you said, I could see it 7-2 if they even took it up, but I could also see the Court just saying "nah, we good" to the challenges because they fucking told them to fix it and Alabama decided they didn't want to. 

[tx 3 putt 76905]

9 hours ago, Js1 said:

Don't forget the original vote was 5-4. Either way, I don't see Kav or Roberts peeling off to tell Alabama it is okay not to listen to them.  Like you said, I could see it 7-2 if they even took it up, but I could also see the Court just saying "nah, we good" to the challenges because they fucking told them to fix it and Alabama decided they didn't want to. 

this 5-4 vote was very disturbing. Roberts hates voting rights and cherishes the moments to shit all over voter’s rights 

him siding with minority voters tells us how corrupt and fucked up the current court is 

[Satchel 6938]

10 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

this 5-4 vote was very disturbing. Roberts hates voting rights and cherishes the moments to shit all over voter’s rights 

him siding with minority voters tells us how corrupt and fucked up the current court is 

We should never let Roberts forget his assertion that the kind of racist shit Alabama is trying to pull yet again, belonged to another era and no longer exists.

[Voldemort86 2259]

This is playing out as expected.  Didn’t think there was a chance in hell Alabama would get that shitty map to pass the smell test. They are going to have to give the African Americans 2 districts.

We should hopefully see the same thing play out in Louisiana, Florida, South Carolina, and possibly Texas / Tennessee.

 

fuck extreme gerrymandering.

[tx 3 putt 76905]

2 hours ago, Satchel said:

We should never let Roberts forget his assertion that the kind of racist shit Alabama is trying to pull yet again, belonged to another era and no longer exists.

If all the recent Supreme Court bribes hadn’t been made public, Roberts nukes that case and more voters rights 

[bolverk 29660]

I guess this belongs here insofar as Wisconsin Republicans in the State House are threatening to impeach a newly elected liberal justice to the state Supreme Court who has not yet heard a case, thereby retroactively suppressing the vote in a free and fair election. The rationale is that during the election, she voiced support for abortion rights and criticized the heavily gerrymandered district maps that gave the GOP a permanent majority that Democrats in the state want to strike down.

The GOP wants her to recuse herself for those statements while simultaneously having no problem having a sitting conservative Supreme Court justice not recuse himself in cases about abortion, gay rights, or religion after comparing homosexuality to bestiality or saying that “Christianity is the correct religion, and that insofar as others contradict it, they are wrong.” 

The Democrats are convinced the Republicans will go through with it since they hold enough votes because the maps are so skewed, while the GOP is proving once again they no longer believe in democratically held elections (unless they win).

Here's how the article closes with a Republican legislator shamelessly trying to delegitimize her election in his conservative district:

On Tuesday, The New York Times contacted all 18 of the Republican legislators in districts Justice Protasiewicz won. Only one, John Macco, an Assembly member from Green Bay, agreed to be interviewed.

Mr. Macco said it was “outrageous” that Justice Protasiewicz would agree to hear the redistricting case after stating her views about the legislative maps, but he declined to say whether he would vote for impeachment. He said the Assembly had not yet discussed it, adding that it had a “fiduciary responsibility” to serve as a check against rulings by Justice Protasiewicz that it believes are unfair.

“I got elected five times here in this district,” Mr. Macco said. “This district went for Trump, this district went for Walker. I can’t tell you why they went for that justice. Do we not, all of us conservatives who got elected, also have a responsibility to act?”

No paywall link: https://archive.ph/Vhjci

[SydneyCarton 48075]

4 hours ago, bolverk said:

I guess this belongs here insofar as Wisconsin Republicans in the State House are threatening to impeach a newly elected liberal justice to the state Supreme Court who has not yet heard a case, thereby retroactively suppressing the vote in a free and fair election. The rationale is that during the election, she voiced support for abortion rights and criticized the heavily gerrymandered district maps that gave the GOP a permanent majority that Democrats in the state want to strike down.

The GOP wants her to recuse herself for those statements while simultaneously having no problem having a sitting conservative Supreme Court justice not recuse himself in cases about abortion, gay rights, or religion after comparing homosexuality to bestiality or saying that “Christianity is the correct religion, and that insofar as others contradict it, they are wrong.” 

The Democrats are convinced the Republicans will go through with it since they hold enough votes because the maps are so skewed, while the GOP is proving once again they no longer believe in democratically held elections (unless they win).

Here's how the article closes with a Republican legislator shamelessly trying to delegitimize her election in his conservative district:

On Tuesday, The New York Times contacted all 18 of the Republican legislators in districts Justice Protasiewicz won. Only one, John Macco, an Assembly member from Green Bay, agreed to be interviewed.

Mr. Macco said it was “outrageous” that Justice Protasiewicz would agree to hear the redistricting case after stating her views about the legislative maps, but he declined to say whether he would vote for impeachment. He said the Assembly had not yet discussed it, adding that it had a “fiduciary responsibility” to serve as a check against rulings by Justice Protasiewicz that it believes are unfair.

“I got elected five times here in this district,” Mr. Macco said. “This district went for Trump, this district went for Walker. I can’t tell you why they went for that justice. Do we not, all of us conservatives who got elected, also have a responsibility to act?”

No paywall link: https://archive.ph/Vhjci

I think we've all been aware of this situation. I don't see how the Rebublicans lose this one. She'll either recuse or be impeached, and if she's impeached they will win and she'll be tossed. I don't see any other outcome. 

In retrospect she made a huge mistake making those comments on the trail, and we're all going to pay the price for it now. I hope the rest of the judges in other states are paying attention. 

Edited September 7, 2023 by SydneyCarton

[bolverk 29660]

9 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think we've all been aware of this situation. I don't see how the Rebublicans lose this one. She'll either recuse or be impeached, and if she's impeached they will win and she'll be tossed. I don't see any other outcome. 

In retrospect she made a huge mistake making those comments on the trail, and we're all going to pay the price for it now. I hope the rest of the judges in other states are paying attention. 

It seems that the Democratic governor could appoint someone if she's impeached and removed, so there's some glimmer of hope. I guess. Which is nice.

Upon impeachment, a Supreme Court justice would be prohibited under the State Constitution from participating in and voting on court decisions. If the State Senate voted to convict and remove Justice Protasiewicz before Dec. 1, Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, would name a replacement who would face voters next April — when the Republican presidential primary will be on the ballot, meaning that conservative voters would be highly energized.

But that replacement might not last long unless the Dems can get out the vote en masse again. Hell, she won by 10 points in the previous, so it might not be out of the question that moderates and liberals would get fired up for a special election.

[SydneyCarton 48075]

9 minutes ago, bolverk said:

It seems that the Democratic governor could appoint someone if she's impeached and removed, so there's some glimmer of hope. I guess. Which is nice.

Upon impeachment, a Supreme Court justice would be prohibited under the State Constitution from participating in and voting on court decisions. If the State Senate voted to convict and remove Justice Protasiewicz before Dec. 1, Gov. Tony Evers, a Democrat, would name a replacement who would face voters next April — when the Republican presidential primary will be on the ballot, meaning that conservative voters would be highly energized.

But that replacement might not last long unless the Dems can get out the vote en masse again. Hell, she won by 10 points in the previous, so it might not be out of the question that moderates and liberals would get fired up for a special election.

So impeach her, don't convict and remove her, and she's effectively sidelined from voting. The Gerrymander lives. 

[Js1 85310]

4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

So impeach her, don't convict and remove her, and she's effectively sidelined from voting. The Gerrymander lives. 

Sounds like WI Dems would sue to force a trial in the Senate. One of the GOP justices has played ball often with the liberal side of the court 

[SydneyCarton 48075]

23 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Sounds like WI Dems would sue to force a trial in the Senate. One of the GOP justices has played ball often with the liberal side of the court 

Force a trial in a Gerrymandered senate that has a super-majority? How is that anything other than a complete waste of time? I'm asking honestly, becuase to me it just looks fait accompli.

[wildcat09 29349]

1 hour ago, SydneyCarton said:

I think we've all been aware of this situation. I don't see how the Rebublicans lose this one. She'll either recuse or be impeached, and if she's impeached they will win and she'll be tossed. I don't see any other outcome. 

In retrospect she made a huge mistake making those comments on the trail, and we're all going to pay the price for it now. I hope the rest of the judges in other states are paying attention. 

That really doesn't matter. They'd just have found something else in her history to justify it.

[SydneyCarton 48075]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

That really doesn't matter. They'd just have found something else in her history to justify it.

Maybe. Maybe nothing that would have stuck. Don't do their job for them.

 

[Js1 85310]

4 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Force a trial in a Gerrymandered senate that has a super-majority? How is that anything other than a complete waste of time? I'm asking honestly, becuase to me it just looks fait accompli.

To get the opening to appointment a replacement? If they went through with it. 

Something tells me they wont.  If they were going to do it, they'd do it already. 

[StassneyHorn 6575]

Positive news in Pennsylvania, automatic voter registration when renewing drivers license

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-automatic-voter-registration-josh-shapiro/

[Js1 85310]

The Special Master maps (all 3 of them) have 2 majority/near-majority black districts.  It's pretty much going to happen at this point, a 5-2 delegation instead of 6-1. 

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In plan 1, the Black voting age population in District 2 is 50%, and 53% in District 7.

Remedial plan 2 reduces the county splits to six while otherwise tracking remedial plan 1, diminishing the expected election performance of Black-preferred candidates in the second opportunity district. The Black voting age population in this proposal is 49% District 2 and 53% in District 7.

Remedial plan 3 is the most compact of the three plans, It only has six county splits, includes two opportunity districts that perform comparably to those included in remedial plan 1, and keeps the largest portion of the population of the city of Mobile in the same district. It also keeps the city of Birmingham in the same district.

This one’s Black voting age population in District 2 is 49%, and 53% in District 7.

 

[Bookman 4639]

This is just the Supreme Court keeping the White Man down! Where is the outrage!

[Voldemort86 2259]

Republicans always try to pull the same stunt.

if they have the power and will to do something, they will jam it down people’s throats.

if they don’t have the power, but either want or don’t want something to happen, they play the “ let’s talk” card until the next election, or the one after that, while hoping something else comes up to take attention away from the issue.

[Horn Dog 9818]

2 hours ago, Voldemort86 said:

Republicans always try to pull the same stunt.

if they have the power and will to do something, they will jam it down people’s throats.

if they don’t have the power, but either want or don’t want something to happen, they play the “ let’s talk” card until the next election, or the one after that, while hoping something else comes up to take attention away from the issue.

[elfenix 34230]

Can the DOJ use Alabama snubbing its nose at the supreme court as grounds for pushing it back into preclearance or will that take a new amendment to the VRA?

[Satchel 6938]

12 minutes ago, elfenix said:

Can the DOJ use Alabama snubbing its nose at the supreme court as grounds for pushing it back into preclearance or will that take a new amendment to the VRA?
 

No, because Chief Justice Roberts says race based discrimination no longer exists in America, despite what you see around you.

[Js1 85310]

1 hour ago, elfenix said:

Can the DOJ use Alabama snubbing its nose at the supreme court as grounds for pushing it back into preclearance or will that take a new amendment to the VRA?
 

Take the win where we got it. Don’t do anything to rile up Roberts

[StassneyHorn 6575]

Alabama gets another Democratic rep.

Lawfare is working

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/05/court-picks-alabamas-new-congressional-map-00120129

[Js1 85310]

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/10/26/federal-judge-strikes-down-georgias-congressional-map/

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ATLANTA, Ga. (Atlanta News First) - A federal judge has ruled Georgia’s congressional maps violate the Voting Rights Act, and has set a deadline of Dec. 8 for state lawmakers to draw new lines.

Lawmakers will seemingly have to convene a special session to redraw the maps.

The ruling was issued Thursday by U.S. District Court Judge Steve Jones out of the Northern District of Georgia.

 

[Biff Tannen 45673]

15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2023/10/26/federal-judge-strikes-down-georgias-congressional-map/

 

And again I ask:

What is to stop them from just continuing to bring forth bullshit maps that they know will get struck down until the elections and then the districts just stay the same?  At what point does someone else step in and do it right?

[Js1 85310]

13 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

And again I ask:

What is to stop them from just continuing to bring forth bullshit maps that they know will get struck down until the elections and then the districts just stay the same?  At what point does someone else step in and do it right?

No idea.  But the argument was the exact same as Milligan - violation of Section 2 of the VRA, which is something SCOTUS has decided is not allowed. 

Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, maybe Louisiana and Florida - one additional seat in each state offsets Republican fuckery in North Carolina. 

[tx 3 putt 76905]

 

 

[Satchel 6938]

12 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

Mere coincidence. Per John Roberts, racism is over and done with.

[tx 3 putt 76905]

Just now, Satchel said:

Mere coincidence. Per John Roberts, racism is over and done with.

power unchecked 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5792]

40 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

God I fucking hate the GQP shitbags

[tx 3 putt 76905]

Texas Election Fraud Squad hard at work ….

 

[tx 3 putt 76905]

disgusting 

Edited November 7, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[Chad Fuck 17669]

Texas Election Fraud Squad hard at work ….
 

Fuck this shitty gop government. Ruining people’s lives for nothing.

[Nivek 16923]

32 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Fuck this shitty gop government. Ruining people’s lives for nothing.

They are all complicit.  So vote against them at every turn.  

[Biff Tannen 45673]

10 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

disgusting 

Fascism

[Js1 85310]

37 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Fuck this shitty gop government. Ruining people’s lives for nothing.

Not for nothing.  It gets their little dicks hard when they can't watch trans porn. 

[StassneyHorn 6575]

Wisconsin hearing arguments tomorrow about current districts

https://www.wpr.org/wisconsin-supreme-court-hear-arguments-case-could-overturn-republican-drawn-legislative-maps

1. Do the current maps violate the Wisconsin Constitution's contiguity requirements for voting districts? 
2. Did the Supreme Court's 2022 decision to enact Republican-drawn maps violate the Constitution's separation of powers clause? 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13510]

On 11/6/2023 at 2:29 PM, tx 3 putt said:

Texas Election Fraud Squad hard at work ….

 

I attempted to help my mom fill out a mail-in ballot application but she was denied because she failed to enter 1 required field. Honest mistake filling out a long govt form. Should I retain a criminal lawyer?

[atomheartbevo 89648]

43 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Should I retain a criminal lawyer?

Only if she tries to vote and they arrest her.