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Assuming we don't flip flop presidents until everyone riots, and Biden gets the office, how long do you think it'll be before we go to war with Iran? The loathing of Trump is well documented on t

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Just now, Mojo Hand said:

The proposal was to "rush to flatter his wise statesmanship and restraint and compare him to George Washington."   Yeah, that's coming together behind him on this. 

"on this"

Yes, on the specific issue of not attacking Iran, we should all be behind him.

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Flattery will get you access or a job because he likes to hear it.   It doesn't make controlling him any more likely.

It's not about controlling him, it's about doing everything you can to influence him away from war. 

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23 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

 

 I've said from day one that if he gets us into a war then I'm out.  We don't need to have another Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

oh and this is bullshit. you're already rationalizing him going to war by blaming his political opponents and the MSM! despite the fact the only people advocating for a military response are politicians with an R next to their name, the employees he hired, and conservative media pundits.

 

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My two-year-old used to fling himself to the floor during tantrums, sometimes in a way that hurt and made the tantrums worse. Then one day he gently lowered himself to the ground before continuing his tantrum from the prone position. I told him how he was such a big boy for controlling his emotions and not letting them hurt him. I said that I was really proud of him for his wise choices. I truly was; it was a positive step. 

I feel the same way today about the president.

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 I've said from day one that if he gets us into a war then I'm out.  We don't need to have another Iraq/Afghanistan.
 

Just wanted to call bullshit on the record on this one. You’ll support him. No matter what. Because trump isn’t about policy. He’s about ego, and the cult approach. You won’t be disloyal to him. Ever.
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35 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

 

 I've said from day one that if he gets us into a war then I'm out.  We don't need to have another Iraq/Afghanistan.

 

But you still support him now despite all of the horrible shit he's done, which means you're a terrible person.  

And no, you won't actually stop supporting him if he goes to war.  You'll say that you've stopped supporting him, but once it comes around to choosing to vote for Trump or a Democratic challenger, you'll make up some lies and bullshit about the Democrat in order to justify voting for Trump as the lesser of two evils.  "Trump may have pushed us into an actual war where Americans are dying, but the Democrat supports open borders for MS-13 and killing babies after they've been born as a form of abortion."  You're a fucking open book.  

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Just wanted to call bullshit on the record on this one. You’ll support him. No matter what. Because trump isn’t about policy. He’s about ego, and the cult approach. You won’t be disloyal to him. Ever.

Well, it’s a tricky little situation.  War in Iran is bad, but having a socialist/communist president would be worse.  So he’ll do the right thing and claim he voted for Gary Johnson.

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Jesus fucking christ Jhawk. This entire shitshow is on Trump. He's the butthurt bitch that scrapped Obama's deal, and he's the motherfucker that has been trying to destroy Irans economy. Perhaps you agree with this approach to regime change, but just know that it will end in war. Don't pin it on the media, dont pin it on Bolton. DO pin it on the simple minded fucking retard that starts crisis after crisis so he can look tough to his base. Your president.....your hero.

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48 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

"on this"

Yes, on the specific issue of not attacking Iran, we should all be behind him.

It's not about controlling him, it's about doing everything you can to influence him away from war. 

You can say "I'm glad he had second thoughts" without supporting him as some sort of modern day George Washington.   The false choice you're presenting is that it's either shower him with adulation or call him a pussy until he attacks.   Dems should be all over him right now for taking us to the brink of war, and for the poorly made decision last night to strike in the first place. 

To the extent he can be influenced, it would be by reminding him of how many times he told his base he wouldn't get into war.  He cares about the cheering crowd.  And to claim that John Bolton is the one who is really in charge, which strikes at his insecurities.  But heaps of flattery from Dems?  There's far more risk in the damage it would do to the position against his "leadership" on Iran, from ripping up the nuclear deal through the events last night. 

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44 minutes ago, Jhawk said:

At least you always know what Bolton's intentions are.  He's a known quantity with good knowledge.  That doesn't mean you have to take his recommendations.

Is that how you would make a management hire in the private sector? Is that who you would promote in the Army?

Would you choose someone who had high grades in school but gave disastrous advice?

I would not.

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To wit: 

What is the more likely result if Dems were to praise Trump for being a wise statesman akin to George Washington based on what he did last night?  No war, or more dramatic, dangerous moments flirting with disaster that could really lead to war? 

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1 hour ago, Jhawk said:

Wait wait wait... So you put no effort in your response as shown by you talking about department of education and department of energy instead of addressing the topic, but when I address your comments it is me showing no effort? 

And regarding HUD, you couldn't be more wrong about HUD and Carson's aptitude for that job.  I specifically work in affordable housing development and the dude has cleaned it up like crazy.  It isn't the glory days of yesteryear where you could do jack shit and pay no penalty for your property falling out of compliance.  I just sat through a class for 24 hours last week on new regulations that are definitely going to end the HUD abuse by developers in the space.  

Why is Saudi Arabia brought into the conversation?  Seems like another complete bullshit side argument that you are trying to draw equivalency on with iran.  SA having child soldiers has nothing to do with Iran or this thread but you use it as an attack on Trump and then use it as a reason why iran is fucked.  In your arguments you've done everything but address Iran, the topic at hand.  Why should everyone else have to argue only about Iran and you get to use a million other topics to describe why iran is fucked? 

god almighty...it's like talking to...well, you. 

i brought saudi arabia into the conversation to illuminate the absurdity of you placing value on pompeo and bolton's "great experience" and "foreign knowledge."  that was your magic hand wave response on trump's complicity in inching us closer and closer into conflict with iran by appointing bolton and pompeo to their positions of authority who are known quantities and those quantities are war mongering in the middle east...particularly bolton.  our foreign policy has been a mixed bag for a very long time but claiming to be totally against initiating war in asia while praising a president who appointed john bolton is a special kind of gymnastics.  even pompeo's ceremonial actions as secretary of state like excepting saudi arabia from a list of countries who engage in the recruitment of child soldiers betray the utterly disgusting nature of that foreign policy.  that is not the type of "great experience" and "foreign knowledge" that aids any administration.  ultimately, trump ran on the overly-simplistic notion that the iran deal was a bad one because obama and simpletons soaked it up.  he made the choice to deliver on that and this initiated (or at least exacerbated) the momentum we are currently locked into.  bringing bolton and pompeo in was like adding lighter fluid.  i do not apologize for your inability to understand the greater context.

it now appears possible that this was just ultimately a rhetorical threat/ruse executed via tweet and fake leaking to message to iran as well as snow people like the ones in this thread exclaiming "yay, the president is george washington now" or some stupid shit.

not surprisingly, you completely missed the point with perry, carson, and devos.

 

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1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Damn, I didn't know "praise his good decision" meant "don't impeach" and "come together behind him". lol 

Yes, he is capricious. That's the entire point. He is so ruled by image and feeling that he can be manipulated. Heaping praise on anti-war decisions will make him more likely to move that direction because he will get to feel like the smartest good boy.

 

wrong donald trump GIF by Election 2016

 

You're attempting to use logic to get to your desired solution, but unfortunately the person you are dealing with is the equivalent of an ambulatory id who's "strategy" can change with the wind.

Furthermore, if Obama were to come out and say good job using restraint, dotard would bomb the shit out of Tehran.

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12 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Furthermore, if Obama were to come out and say good job using restraint, dotard would bomb the shit out of Tehran.

haha i was going to say the same thing. If Nancy Pelosi got on TV and praised Trump for not bombing Iran, he'd immediately order a strike.

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Speaking of Iran.  Remember that one time when a President accidentally told the truth for almost a full 60 seconds.   

""Money trumps peace, sometimes."

 

"Now there's COMMERCIAL INTERESTS that are very power interests, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.   Part of the issue in convincing people to put sanctions on a specific country, is to convince them that's in the world's interests that they forego their own financial interests."

 

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It's funny, since the drone gets shot down and the big attention that was given..... 

What ever came of the tanker situation?

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/06/18/declassified-images-back-u-s-claim-iran-is-behind-tanker-attacks/

Almost like there's a 3rd party trying to guide the US into another war in the ME. 

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1 hour ago, Mojo Hand said:

To wit: 

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A source told me 30 minutes ago that Trump was pleased with his own performance last night, loved being in command by ordering the strikes and by then ordering the stand-down. And the president just... tweeted it.

What is the more likely result if Dems were to praise Trump for being a wise statesman akin to George Washington based on what he did last night?  No war, or more dramatic, dangerous moments flirting with disaster that could really lead to war? 

Did we ever get clarification on the intel that prompted the initial change in US posture (sending a carrier group closer to Iran)? Was it just that they're enriching uranium at a faster pace?

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Did we ever get clarification on the intel that prompted the initial change in US posture (sending a carrier group closer to Iran)? Was it just that they're enriching uranium at a faster pace?

Iran was doing military contingency planning on different scenarios involving US aggression towards them.  Our spooks got whiff of that, and the war mongers in the current administration decided that the best move forward was to place a carrier group in the region to show them how wrong-headed such contingency planning was. 

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Did we ever get clarification on the intel that prompted the initial change in US posture (sending a carrier group closer to Iran)? Was it just that they're enriching uranium at a faster pace?

I thought it was the attacks on the ships?  Who even fucking knows.  There's nothing coherent about Trump's Iran policy.   

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Iran was doing military contingency planning on different scenarios involving US aggression towards them.  Our spooks got whiff of that, and the war mongers in the current administration decided that the best move forward was to place a carrier group in the region to show them how wrong-headed such contingency planning was. 

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/06/18/iran-claims-big-cia-network-dismantled-and-spies-arrested/

lol there's saber rattlin' then there's dick wavin'. Mr. President, your choice.

3 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I thought it was the attacks on the ships?  Who even fucking knows.  There's nothing coherent about Trump's Iran policy.   

Fuckin' ORANGE MAN BAD amirite?

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6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Iran was doing military contingency planning on different scenarios involving US aggression towards them.  Our spooks got whiff of that, and the war mongers in the current administration decided that the best move forward was to place a carrier group in the region to show them how wrong-headed such contingency planning was. 

Revised to clarify that, at least according to the WSJ article back on the first page of this thread, the carrier move was driven by request from the Pentagon and not Death Reaper Bolton. He just jerked off in the corner when the request came across the chain of command. 

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Revised to clarify that, at least according to the WSJ article back on the first page of this thread, the carrier move was driven by request from the Pentagon and not Death Reaper Bolton. He just jerked off in the corner when the request came across the chain of command. 

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Revised to clarify that, at least according to the WSJ article back on the first page of this thread, the carrier move was driven by request from the Pentagon and not Death Reaper Bolton. He just jerked off in the corner when the request came across the chain of command. 

OF FUCKING COURSE IT WAS

People are seriously trying to create this argument that the Military-Industrial Complex and Deep State are trying to prevent war and death abroad, as if they are some kind of pacifying check on Trump. It's just idiocy.

The liberal worship of generals is just as pathetic as Trump talking about how strong and handsome they are.

It is an industry of inhuman death; nothing more.

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14 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

OF FUCKING COURSE IT WAS

People are seriously trying to create this argument that the Military-Industrial Complex and Deep State are trying to prevent war and death abroad, as if they are some kind of pacifying check on Trump. It's just idiocy.

The liberal worship of generals is just as pathetic as Trump talking about how strong and handsome they are.

It is an industry of inhuman death; nothing more.

Most of the deaths are, in fact, human. 

Sadly it's also our own citizens dying as well. Opioids and PTSD screws up a lot of vets. 

If it was only to serve and protect American interests I'd be a happy camper. Problem is, that doesn't keep the MIC as paid as perpetual war.

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3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

oh and this is bullshit. you're already rationalizing him going to war by blaming his political opponents and the MSM! despite the fact the only people advocating for a military response are politicians with an R next to their name, the employees he hired, and conservative media pundits.

 

Yep, he’ll be sucking the little orange mushroom for perpetuity.

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4 hours ago, Jhawk said:

 

And regarding HUD, you couldn't be more wrong about HUD and Carson's aptitude for that job.  I specifically work in affordable housing development and the dude...

On the other site, you claimed to be a medical school student.  Whatever happened with that?

What do you "do" in "affordable housing development"?

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5 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Been listening to a lot more of The Beach Boys lately.

I was gonna give some rep for the thread title when he started it, because it is absolutely fucking genius.  Not a huge fan of the OP so I didn’t.  That’s probably a little petty of me.  I’ll correct that.

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Trump needs this Iran bullshit in the media but he hates it and wants to start another manufactured crisis elsewhere because this Iran shit is way too complicated for him.  

Maybe he can do another summit with ‘lil Kim?  He also has his big propaganda extravaganza on July 4th with the balloons. 

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23 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

I was gonna give some rep for the thread title when he started it, because it is absolutely fucking genius.  Not a huge fan of the OP so I didn’t.  That’s probably a little petty of me.  I’ll correct that.

Unfortunately, I really can't take the credit. Nothing quite as American as sing songing about killing brown people. 

 

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9 minutes ago, retread said:

He's saving Iran for 2020, just like the national emergency at the border. Next year  he'll declare Nat'l. Emergency II, The Revenge.

I don’t see how bubbling up Iran around the election is a wise decision.  Trump would be making the election about “do we want to got to war with Iran?”   Hard to believe voters are going to vote for that given the easily compelling arguments against it. 

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