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Pierbattista Pizzaballa is literally the most fun sequence of nine syllables I can possibly imagine in human linguistic expression.

that is fucking awesome.

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31 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Italian Art GIF by Kiszkiloszki

In the name of the father 🤌🏻

The son 🤌🏻

And the Holy Ghost 🤌🏻

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6 hours ago, Js1 said:

As always, progress is slow. Which angers people who want things done faster. Which usually leads to massive backlash 

Big ships take a long time to turn around.

Is there such a thing as a large business, organization, or government that doesn't have some type/level of corruption?

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10 minutes ago, Bevo&Pevo said:

Big ships take a long time to turn around.

Is there such a thing as a large business, organization, or government that doesn't have some type/level of corruption?

Churches and religious organizations are held to a higher standard, particularly when it comes to legal and ethical considerations.

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7 hours ago, Hermanator said:

Possibly, but they could see the far right movement globally as a chance to restock the flock. 

This coming age of suffering once the leadership tanks the US and world economies is ripe for this stuff taking advantage. Religion always does it's best work during times of suffering when people are mentally defeated and emotionally vulnerable. It's why people always become super Christian or Islamic in prisons. 

Let's just say that a lot of those movements globally are not happy with the number of non-white members of the Catholic Church, and don't want to be around that.  Francis's impact will be felt for a long time to come, as GOLL mentioned, but I doubt they are swinging towards the Nazis (as imamac mentioned).

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“It’s not a crime. Yes, but it’s a sin,” he said. “Fine, but first let’s distinguish between a sin and a crime.”
“It’s also a sin to lack charity with one another,” he added.

Sin isn't real. Smash away Surly gays.
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31 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Let's just say that a lot of those movements globally are not happy with the number of non-white members of the Catholic Church, and don't want to be around that.  Francis's impact will be felt for a long time to come, as GOLL mentioned, but I doubt they are swinging towards the Nazis (as imamac mentioned).

It goes right back to asses in seats and coins in the coffers. 

You might get a slight uptick of some racist folks in the US going back to Catholic Church, maybe a bit in Europe in a couple of countries. However, you aren't getting Methodist, Baptist, Scientists or snake dancers converting, and the numbers there would be vastly offset by losses in Africa, Asia, Central and South America. That lean into the Nazi make zero business sense and there is plenty of negative shit you can say about the Catholic Church but a lack very basic level demographics and complete lack of basic business sense aren't two of them. No upside and a massive downside.

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11 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

It goes right back to asses in seats and coins in the coffers. 

You might get a slight uptick of some racist folks in the US going back to Catholic Church, maybe a bit in Europe in a couple of countries. However, you aren't getting Methodist, Baptist, Scientists or snake dancers converting, and the numbers there would be vastly offset by losses in Africa, Asia, Central and South America. That lean into the Nazi make zero business sense and there is plenty of negative shit you can say about the Catholic Church but a lack very basic level demographics and complete lack of basic business sense aren't two of them. No upside and a massive downside.

Nazism feels like an overstatement here but a rightward swing towards authoritarianism is clearly having its moment at various levels including the catholic church. See my post above about the US College of Bishops supporting Oklahoma's attempt to open a public catholic charter school using public funds. There is also liberalization in some of the protestant denominations, particularly with women and gays, and I know of people who have converted to Catholicism specifically because they like the old rules and the high unliklihood that the doctrines on those issues will ever change. As far as racial issues, there is significant segregation among catholic parishes, the Mexicans go to their churches, the whites to theres, Asians have their own parishes, etc., etc., it usually falls in line with population of the areas surrounding the parish. I don't know the demographics on Black catholics but I don't think it's a formidable block in the US. I know it's expanding in Africa, but the rich white folks at the suburban parishes aren't exactly exposed to that at any level.

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