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12 minutes ago, Mileslong said:

in the first take, the girl and i sat down at a table that barkin was supposed to sit at and they had to cut.  she was a bitch and said something like "what the hell are they doing at my table?" /csb

That's funny.  Most of me was in a bar scene in "D.O.A.", the Dennis Quaid - Meg Ryan thriller remake shot in Austin.  Some friends and I were at Maggie Mae's new side, and Ro-Tel and the Hot Tomatoes were playing in the window.  I eventually got fed up with all the forced quiet while they shot scenes on the street, so I left the club.  I hit the sidewalk, turned right, and ran smack into Meg (who was wearing lingerie) walking up 6th with Quaid.  I heard a loud "CUT!  What the hell is that guy doing?"

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Your conclusions are all wrong. Last Jedi had a crappy plot, introduced crappy characters and its commentary about the human condition were crap. And even if you liked what it had to say, because the story and characters were weak, it did not do so in an effective way.

And I don’t know who you hung out with as a child, but we all loved Empire Strikes Back except that it made me cry.

 

Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

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23 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:
On 4/5/2018 at 1:14 PM, Rimbo said:
Your opinions are bad and you should feel bad.

You can't view the 8th movie of a franchise in a vacuum. It was terrible when you consider what came before it and how poorly it fit into the Star Wars universe.

First off, where do you get the idea that I'm viewing it in a vacuum?

You think it fit "poorly" into the Star Wars universe? My God, man, did you even watch The Last Jedi? I feel like people who make comments like this saw a completely different movie from the one I saw.

 

It made the prequels better by addressing the issues raised with the Jedi in them (and in the Clone Wars series) -- not to mention Yoda and Obi-Wan's behavior in the original series. There've been some great articles showing how it is the first movie to actually explain the way space combat worked in all the prior movies (e.g., why the capital ships are firing at each other in pointblank range in Ep III, why Obi-Wan says "a fighter that size couldn't have gotten this deep into space on its own," etc). The concept of the Force that Luke explains to Rey in his "three lessons" is the natural extension of the story of The Ones, the Bendu. And what Kylo Ren did to Snoke fits perfectly what Palpatine was trying to get Luke to do all along: Strike me down, and your journey to the Dark Side will be complete.

And what did Luke do to win? He stopped fighting. The Luke we saw in Episode 8 was a natural extension of that.

More to the point, it cannot even be the movie I claim it is outside of the context of the rest of the story. So I don't know why you would make that claim.

I ask again: Did you see a completely different movie than the one I saw? Because every time I meet someone who didn't like TLJ, that's what it sounds like when they start barfing out their harebrained objections.

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2000--2009 was a better decade than 2010 to present.  Here's what I can recall as really good movies (IMO). 

2000--2009

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

The Departed

No Country for Old Men

Traffic

The Aviator

Almost Famous

Up

O Brother Where Art Thou

The Royal Tennenbaums

Kill Bill

Black Hawk Down

Finding Nemo

Casino Royale

Fantastic Mr. Fox

And from 2010--Present (admittedly, I've seen fewer movies during this decade).

Toy Story 3

The Grand Budapest Hotel

The Wolf of Wall Street

Skyfall

Moonrise Kingdom

The Social Network

And several that are considered good, but I did not see.

Boyhood

Dunkirk

Django Unchained

American Hustle

Lincoln

Inside Out

Dallas Buyers Club

 

2000s is killing 2010s at the moment.  Of those listed, there are several that I love.  Of the 2010 movies, I probably liked Skyfall the best of any of them, and that's basically a serial action movie. 

 

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Hmmm, haven't seen Almost Famous or Moonrise Kingdom from that list.  Will add them to my list.

I would throw Avatar into an expanded list of "great" films. However, if you can't see it in 3d IMAX, then it loses most of what makes it great. That is one movie experience that will never be recreated. I know the story sucked, but the world building and visual effects were stunning. 

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11 hours ago, Dutchrudder said:

Hmmm, haven't seen Almost Famous or Moonrise Kingdom from that list.  Will add them to my list.

Almost Famous is in the same class as Dazed and Confused. Great retro movie with a killer soundtrack and plenty of smoking hot women.

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2007 was the last year for great movies. Since then we’ve had good to very good movies but I can’t even name one great one. 

All the good writers have gone to television, and the movie studios focus more now on the world market. That’s my theory as to why anyway.

Ask yourself this. Goodfellas came out in 91, Pulp Fiction came out in 94, and LA Confidential came out in 97. Name one movie from the last 10 years that even approaches any of those three. 

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2007 was the last year for great movies. Since then we’ve had good to very good movies but I can’t even name one great one. 
All the good writers have gone to television, and the movie studios focus more now on the world market. That’s my theory as to why anyway.
Ask yourself this. Goodfellas came out in 91, Pulp Fiction came out in 94, and LA Confidential came out in 97. Name one movie from the last 10 years that even approaches any of those three. 


Even approaches? Great ones of the 2010s:

Inception
Fury Road
GotG
Looper
Deadpool
The Revenant
Prisoners
Get Out
The Edge of Tomorrow
Blade Runner
The Nice Guys
The Wolf of Wall Street
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How many universally-regarded "great" movies are there? Maybe it's just bizarre to think that every decade will produce one of the 10 or 20 greatest American movies: Casablanca (40s), The Godfather (70s), Raging Bull (80s), Citizen Kane (40s), Vertigo (50s), Gone With The Wind (30s?), The Empire Strikes Back (80s), The Shawshank Redemption (90s), The Searchers (50s),  2001: A Space Odyssey (60s), Apocalypse Now (70s), etc.

Then there are non-American produced films that are worthy of being all-time greats: Shichinin no Samurai (Seven Samurai), Bronenosets Potyomkin (Battleship Potemkin), Tōkyō Monogatari (Tokyo Story), La Règle du Jeu (The Rules of the Game), Ladri di biciclette (Bicycle Thief), La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc (The Passion of Joan of Arc), etc.

The 2000s had some great movies: Memento, The Dark Knight, The Incredibles, The Departed, No Country For Old Men, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, There Will Be Blood, Children of Men, Mulholland Drive, LOTR: The Two Towers (more like all three films together, but if you have to choose one...), Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Silver Linings Playbook, City of God, etc., that were each worthy of consideration among the best 10-20 of the decade, last twenty years, maybe quarter century...but not necessarily of all time. That doesn't mean they aren't great.

Likewise with the 2010s: Inception, Django Unchained, Manchester by the Sea, Gravity, Inside Out, Boyhood, Dunkirk, 12 Years a Slave, Zero Dark Thirty, Birdman, The Big Short, The Wolf of Wall Street, Argo, Toy Story 3, Skyfall, The Avengers, her, American Hustle, etc., again worthy of consideration for great films of the last 20, 25, or even 30 years. Again, not necessarily of all time. Still doesn't mean they aren't great.

It's kind of like the thread about the the greatest basketball players of all time. James Harden and Russell Westbrook are great, but are they even top 50? Probably not, but that doesn't mean they aren't great. They're easily top 50 of the last 10, 25, and maybe even 30 years, but not all time. How many current players crack the top 50? Lebron, KD, Steph Curry, Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard? And of those, how many are top 10-20? Lebron and KD? Doesn't mean Steph, CP, Kawhi, etc. aren't great.

Every decade has produced 10-20 great movies.

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On 4/3/2018 at 7:48 PM, Robin Masters said:

Absolutely. And I'd love to hear, is it just me or are others noticing a decline in the number of what they consider "great" movies?
Looking at just the best picture nominees my greatness count peaked in the 1990s. Decline began in the 2000's and really dropped the last 8 years. Going back further 80s were less than the 90s, 70s more than the 80's, 60s and 50s down but still more than the 2000s. I'm 47, so the peak for me happened in my late 20s to early 30s. Is it my age?

If I'm channel surfing I'm gonna stop and watch Road House, Smokey and the Bandit, etc. every time. But they're not GREAT movies. (Point Break is though) Revenent to me, meh. It's sooo beautiful, incredible cinematography, shot with available light, but the story, meh. Same with Mad Max. Visually engaging, but overall ehhh.

Wolf of Wall Street, meh. The first time Scorsese did this movie, Goodfellas, it made my great list. Even the 2nd time he did it, Casino, is close. But, now it's just formulaic as hell. Yeah I'm gonna stop surfing and watch it, titties and some great lines but not great level movie. And this is why I wonder if it's me getting old. If you're younger and haven't seen Goodfellas and Casino, then Wolf might be great.

 

You're not the first person to have this observation, and you won't be the last.  "Why do movies/TV/fashion/kids suck so much these days?" is a question that aging people have asked for centuries and will continue to ask until the end of time.  

There's nothing unique about the current state of movies, and this exact post will be replicated in 20 years by someone else... except the "great" list will be replaced with recently released titles that you scoff at currently.  Life, man.

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On 4/7/2018 at 7:30 PM, JimmyJames said:

Ask yourself this. Goodfellas came out in 91, Pulp Fiction came out in 94, and LA Confidential came out in 97. Name one movie from the last 10 years that even approaches any of those three. 

and Silence of the Lambs, Unforgiven, Schindler's List, Shawshank, Braveheart, The English Patient, Fargo, Saving Private Ryan, the Green Mile, and you see why the 1990s seem like the blowoff top for great movies. I don't think in 20 years people are going to be thinking the 2010's were better than the 1990s. Maybe if we go full idiocracy they will be better than the 2030s.

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On 4/7/2018 at 7:30 PM, JimmyJames said:

Ask yourself this. Goodfellas came out in 91, Pulp Fiction came out in 94, and LA Confidential came out in 97. Name one movie from the last 10 years that even approaches any of those three. 

And that's part of the problem. Those are all great movies, but Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction are barely in the discussion for GOAT list, and L.A. Confidential isn't. That doesn't change the fact that they're still great movies, or that the 90s were a great decade for movies.

Out of the 90s you have Schindler's List, The Silence of the Lambs, Saving Private Ryan, Unforgiven, and The Shawshank Redemption as likely the greatest movies of the 90s, with only Schindler's List being part of the discussion for top 10-20 GOAT, then you have Forrest Gump, Dances With Wolves, Titanic, Goodfellas, The Sixth Sense, and Pulp Fiction in the discussion for honorable mention.

So anything since 2017 that approaches Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, and L.A. Confidential? Probably. Maybe you don't think so and maybe you disagree, but I'd put The Dark Knight, Inside Out, Boyhood, Mad Max: Fury Road, Zero Dark Thirty, The Grand Budapest Hotel, I Am Not Your Negro, The Big Short, and Inception, maybe a few others, in the discussion for honorable mention GOAT--not top 100, but worthy of mention.

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On 4/9/2018 at 5:20 PM, AnotherLawyer said:

And that's part of the problem. Those are all great movies, but Goodfellas and Pulp Fiction are barely in the discussion for GOAT list, and L.A. Confidential isn't. That doesn't change the fact that they're still great movies, or that the 90s were a great decade for movies.

Out of the 90s you have Schindler's List, The Silence of the Lambs, Saving Private Ryan, Unforgiven, and The Shawshank Redemption as likely the greatest movies of the 90s, with only Schindler's List being part of the discussion for top 10-20 GOAT, then you have Forrest Gump, Dances With Wolves, Titanic, Goodfellas, The Sixth Sense, and Pulp Fiction in the discussion for honorable mention.

So anything since 2017 that approaches Goodfellas, Pulp Fiction, and L.A. Confidential? Probably. Maybe you don't think so and maybe you disagree, but I'd put The Dark Knight, Inside Out, Boyhood, Mad Max: Fury Road, Zero Dark Thirty, The Grand Budapest Hotel, I Am Not Your Negro, The Big Short, and Inception, maybe a few others, in the discussion for honorable mention GOAT--not top 100, but worthy of mention.

See I never said Goodfellas or Pulp Fiction or even LA Confidential was in the discussion for greatest movie of all time. I said they were great movies that nothing in the last 10 years approaches and of the recent movies you have listed, most of which I have seen, they are all good movies but IMO don’t approach what was being made back in the 90s.

Inception is a perfect example. It is stunning visually and very interesting. But hardly a great movie. Kind of like Dunkirk. 

And for those that say this is just a generational thing, IMO TV has gotten infinitely better over the years. Back in the 80’s and 90’s TV absolutely sucked with the notable exception of the early to mid 90s Simpsons and Seinfeld. I know my generation likes to look back fondly at Friends, Saved by the bell, 90210, et al, but TV today is much, much better. Breaking bad was the best TV series ever made. TV is where the great writers are nowadays. Movie writers today are merely good enough to make good movies, not great ones.

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On April 5, 2018 at 6:47 AM, Nole-4-Life said:

No Country for Old Men and The Departed were a nice back to back.

I really liked No Country for Old Men.  Thought is was a great movie, but I can't get over the scene near the very end where the young lady walks into  the room with the psychopath and sits down to chat with him and tries to convince him not to kill her.  100/100 people would see that crazy bastard and running screaming like your hair was on fire.  

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I really liked No Country for Old Men.  Thought is was a great movie, but I can't get over the scene near the very end where the young lady walks into  the room with the psychopath and sits down to chat with him and tries to convince him not to kill her.  100/100 people would see that crazy bastard and running screaming like your hair was on fire.  
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I really liked No Country for Old Men.  Thought is was a great movie, but I can't get over the scene near the very end where the young lady walks into  the room with the psychopath and sits down to chat with him and tries to convince him not to kill her.  100/100 people would see that crazy bastard and running screaming like your hair was on fire.  
She was trapped. Her only chance was trying to talk her way out. If she screamed or tried to run he would have killed her immediately. Unfortunately she was already dead and didn't know it.
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9 hours ago, Lhorn said:

I really liked No Country for Old Men.  Thought is was a great movie, but I can't get over the scene near the very end where the young lady walks into  the room with the psychopath and sits down to chat with him and tries to convince him not to kill her.  100/100 people would see that crazy bastard and running screaming like your hair was on fire.  

The movie, as well as Cormac's source novel, inverts all of the Western tropes (bad guy gets his, good guy gets girl, rides off into sunset, etc). The third act is just one inversion after another: bad guy gets away, wife gets killed, hero leaves wife out of greed, sheriff figure doesn't catch bad guy.

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