How is a "brilliant surgeon" shit stupid? Because Ben Carson is shit stupid

[Gil Bang 25898]

For my money, he's the worst of the Trump appointees.  He makes Rick Perry look like a fucking all-star. 

 

 

 

[retread 2951]

He'll learn all the acronyms once he gets his office set up. Takes time.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Something tells me he got into brain surgery for the money. 

[TornACL 7676]

I used to think he talked slowly because he was a very rational man who chooses and measures his words carefully.

It turns out, he's just slow. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

He's an appointee that most likely doesn't have a clue about his agency. He probably gives his staff some high level direction, and then he goes back to staring at the walls.

Every political appointee should have a career co-official that also presents at these hearings to provide the real testimony.

[hpslugga 4044]

16 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

He's an appointee that most likely doesn't have a clue about his agency. 

That’s literally everyone in Trump’s cabinet.

[Mole 4320]

Brilliance isn’t always transferable. Some great doctors seem to have a peculiar mindset and way of thinking that makes them great doctors but not good at lots of other things and oblivious to their weaknesses. In a healthy administration, someone as brilliant as Carson would be a great asset where people with complimentary abilities could coexist. In our current reality, that clearly isn’t the case.

[Blotto 23434]

 the clip posted by Gil Bang cuts off a bit too early. Listen to this stupid motherfucker stumble through his answers. He sounds like Milton from Office Space strung out on opioids. 

 

Edited May 21, 2019 by Blotto

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

My dad was a doctor. He was a good doctor who served his community well for his whole life. When it came to doctoring, he knew his business. But he never learned how to set the clock on his VCR. 

[TwiceHorn 31282]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

My dad was a doctor. He was a good doctor who served his community well for his whole life. When it came to doctoring, he knew his business. But he never learned how to set the clock on his VCR. 

That could just be a function of age.  Can be very hard for folks much over 65, sometimes younger depending on cognition, to learn new things.

It is entirely possible, I suppose, that Carson is a neurology/neurosurgeon savant.  It is also possible that he isn't really a great physician, either.

[Guest Lobo]

He has no business in the Cabinet.  However, does this Representative not understand why FHA foreclosure rates are higher than others?  Uh, an Oreo cookie could arrive at the answer faster than she could, even with her showboating.  

[Hank Scorpio 17723]

 

 

[Gil Bang 25898]

6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

He has no business in the Cabinet.  However, does this Representative not understand why FHA foreclosure rates are higher than others?  Uh, an Oreo cookie could arrive at the answer faster than she could, even with her showboating.  

You missed her point.  It wasn't that more FHA loans are non-performing than Fannie/Freddie loans, it was that FHA doesn't do workouts/mitigation, and  a much higher percentage of their non-performing loans become REO,

Edited May 21, 2019 by Gil Bang

[WhatTheBuck 28712]

Sleepy Ben Carson. Apparently he's a great neurosurgeon. I've never seen him discussing a medical topic. I've only seen him sounding like an idiot discussing other subjects. 

I know of two black people in Trump's cabinet. Carson and that woman who got used as a prop during one of the  congressional hearings by some GOP douchebag trying to prove Trump wasn't racist. Isn't it kind of racist that Trump placed them both in Housing and Urban Development?

[Zepol87 9171]

45 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

He's an appointee that most likely doesn't have a clue about his agency. He probably gives his staff some high level direction, and then he goes back to staring at the walls.

Every political appointee should have a career co-official that also presents at these hearings to provide the real testimony.

Sounds like he is a director at my company also. We have a few of these

[Guest Lobo]

8 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

You missed her point.  It wasn't that more FHA loans are non-performing than Fannie/Freddie loans, it was that FHA doesn't do workouts/mitigation, and  a much higher percentage of their non-performing loans become REO,

I get your point, but who exactly is the workout group beyond FHA?  If you're the group usually left holding the bag, who's gonna be the workout shop after you?  Is there some secret creditor out there that we don't know about?  Holy shit, maybe that's who Ben Carson is protecting.  He really is the head of the FHA Illuminati.  It's the bank behind the bank behind the bank.  

[Rimbo 25783]

49 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

For my money, he's the worst of the Trump appointees.  He makes Rick Perry look like a fucking all-star. 

 

 

Because you can be super good at one thing and not at all good at many other things.

I'd love to have Kevin Durant on my pick-up basketball team, but I don't know if I'd want him as my software dev team's scrum master.

Albert Einstein revolutionized Physics, but I wouldn't want him as my accountant. (cf. the $1500 check from the Rockefeller Foundation)

Surgeons, especially specialists, have to spend ALL their time keeping up with developments within their field. My father was a surgeon, a great one, and before he retired, not only did he struggle to use a computer, but I couldn't even communicate with him at a low enough level (we're talking terms like "window," "right click" and "menu bar") to where I could get him to understand what he needed to do.

Frankly, I've got to go look up what an "REO" is, too. But then, I'm not the HUD secretary.

The problem isn't that Ben Carson is stupid. It's that he's been put into a job he's completely unqualified to do.

[RomaVicta 29793]

I'm kind of loving Katie Porter.

edit to add: Did Carson just perform brain surgery on himself?

Edited May 21, 2019 by RomaVicta

[Gil Bang 25898]

he's been at HUD for a couple of years now...he hasn't been in the O.R. or poring over medical journals.

If he can't tell you what the "O" in REO stands for, he's shit stupid.    That's something you should pick up in your first hour on the job. 

[Gil Bang 25898]

Just now, RomaVicta said:

I'm kind of loving Katie Porter.

She's good. 

[TwiceHorn 31282]

12 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Because you can be super good at one thing and not at all good at many other things.

I'd love to have Kevin Durant on my pick-up basketball team, but I don't know if I'd want him as my software dev team's scrum master.

Albert Einstein revolutionized Physics, but I wouldn't want him as my accountant. (cf. the $1500 check from the Rockefeller Foundation)

Surgeons, especially specialists, have to spend ALL their time keeping up with developments within their field. My father was a surgeon, a great one, and before he retired, not only did he struggle to use a computer, but I couldn't even communicate with him at a low enough level (we're talking terms like "window," "right click" and "menu bar") to where I could get him to understand what he needed to do.

Frankly, I've got to go look up what an "REO" is, too. But then, I'm not the HUD secretary.

The problem isn't that Ben Carson is stupid. It's that he's been put into a job he's completely unqualified to do.

Again, the difficulties with your father were probably age-related.  But yes, your point concerning aptitudes and abilities is valid, as is your point on rarefied specialties.  We tend to think of "smart people" as having abilities that transcend disciplines or subject matters, but that isn't necessarily true.  It may not be as stark as ability differences across the physical/mental spectrum, but it can exist to a very large degree.

And, although this is dangerous territory, there are vested interests that may have had a desire to see young Dr. Carson really succeed, especially once a conservative bent was detected.

Also, looking at his bio, he didn't do well in medical school until he stopped attending lectures and began self-study.  That may indicate a savant-type.

Edited May 21, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[softlynow 1783]

40 minutes ago, Lobo said:

He has no business in the Cabinet.  However, does this Representative not understand why FHA foreclosure rates are higher than others?  Uh, an Oreo cookie could arrive at the answer faster than she could, even with her showboating.  

Katie Porter is the rep who, a couple months ago, schooled the director of the CFPB with the consumer law textbook she wrote. I’m guessing she knows what’s she’s talking about. 

[NowThis 931]

1 hour ago, TornACL said:

I used to think he talked slowly because he was a very rational man who chooses and measures his words carefully.

It turns out, he's just slow. 

some theorized Xanax 

[Guest Lobo]

Yes, she's versed in the area.  Though I would contend Slade Broom was a ghostwriter to her.  I just think, before she exposed Carson for having no idea what the hell he's doing---she could have basically summarized for everyone why the FHA rates are what they are and saved everyone a lot of money and time getting together for little reason other than to show that Ben Carson would better served all involve walking the halls of public housing facilities looking for conjoined twins to separate.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13414]

If Trump wanted to give Carson a do-nothing job, he should have been made ambassador to Monaco or somewhere similar.  

Edited May 21, 2019 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Gil Bang 25898]

It's all a joke to these fucks

 

[lemonlime 5503]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If Trump wanted to give Carson a do-nothing job, he should have been made ambassador to Monaco or somewhere similar.  

Trump, to the extent he had any sort of plan, was to gut the federal government.  The goal was to place a do-nothing as HUD director.

[retread 2951]

We're so screwed. No words for that tweet.

Edited May 21, 2019 by retread

[Gil Bang 25898]

1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Trump, to the extent he had any sort of plan, was to gut the federal government.  The goal was to place a do-nothing as HUD director.

Yep.  Put a moron in charge of HUD, let him fuck it up, then you can argue that HUD is fucked up and needs to be gutted. 

[Upgrayedd 5806]

Surprising since Docs are normally really adept at real estate.

[NowThis 931]

the whole Oreo thing -- racist? 

[Pig Bellmont 8691]

9 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

It's all a joke to these fucks

 

Sure. Lean into it you fucking moron. Maybe you can eat it on your $40,000 dinette set your wife bought with taxpayer money. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

It's like Ron Swanson picked Trump's cabinet for him.

[hayden_horn 11360]

19 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

It's all a joke to these fucks

 

that ratio tho

[RomaVicta 29793]

14 minutes ago, retread said:

We're so screwed. No words for that tweet.

Idiot World. The idiots will say, "I didn't know what it stood for either. It's not so bad."

I didn't know what REO was before watching that video. She made things clear enough that I know what it means and what her concerns are regarding the relative rates at which people are turned out of their homes due to lack of access to mediation. I truly know nothing about that stuff.

"I can put you in touch with my people who live in the weeds where I dare not go because I must maintain the larger view."

Now the stupid joke about being stupid.

Hur hur, he made a joke out of it. And she's fat. I love Ben Carson. He doesn't know the same things that I don't know. Oreos! (slaps knee)

[JFKFC 4878]

Remember the presidential debate where Carson couldn't figure out when or how to walk out on to the stage when his name was called?

 

There is something physically wrong with this man. Like a brain tumor is disrupting things level of wrong. 

[Francisco 2.0 32341]

If Carson had uttered the words "Ransom E. Olds"  or "Speedwagon" when she asked him if he knew what it was....that would have been greatness.

Edited May 21, 2019 by Francisco 2.0

[Foosters 17733]

6 minutes ago, JFKFC said:

Remember the presidential debate where Carson couldn't figure out when or how to walk out on to the stage when his name was called?

 

There is something physically wrong with this man. Like a brain tumor is disrupting things level of wrong. 

[Guest Lobo]

Oh, the wheel in the sky keeps on turning and I don't know what the HUD's supposed to do!

 

[Asithappens 974]

Bumbling Mumbling Ben is a good surgeon. 

He is not good at much else. 

But yea, just b/c someone is a genius at one thing doesn't mean they're good at something else. 

 

[Js1 85110]

8 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

If Carson had uttered the words "Ransom E. Olds"  or "Speedwagon" when she asked him if he knew what it was....that would have been greatness.

I love Oreo Speedwagon! 

[Gil Bang 25898]

5 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Bumbling Mumbling Ben is a good surgeon. 

He is not good at much else. 

But yea, just b/c someone is a genius at one thing doesn't mean they're good at something else. 

 

We've "heard" he's a good surgeon.  

I've never heard that from anyone that he's worked with.  Just from the media. 

[CooterBrown 17911]

16 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

We've "heard" he's a good surgeon.  

I've never heard that from anyone that he's worked with.  Just from the media. 

Sounds like the surgery that made him famous was failure...well, I guess resulting in breathing vegetables is a little bit of win...

In 1987, Carson was the lead neurosurgeon of a 70-member surgical team that separated conjoined twins, Patrick and Benjamin Binder, who had been joined at the back of the head (craniopagus twins); the separation surgery held promise in part because the twin boys had separate brains.^[95] Both boys entered the hospital "giggling and kicking" in preparation for surgery without which the seven-month-old twins would never have been able to crawl, walk, or even turn over.^[95] The Johns Hopkins surgical team rehearsed the surgery for weeks, practising on two dolls secured together by Velcro.^[95] Although follow-up stories were few following the Binder twins' return to Germany seven months after the operation,^[95] both twins were reportedly "far from normal" two years after the procedure, with one in a vegetative state.^{[95][96][97][98]} "I will never get over this . . . Why did I have them separated?" said their mother, Theresia Binder, in a 1993 interview.^[95] Neither twin was ever able to talk or care for himself, and both would eventually become institutionalized wards of the state.^[95] Patrick Binder died sometime during the last decade, according to his uncle, who was located by the Washington Post in 2015.^[95] The Binder surgery served as blueprint for similar twin separations, a procedure that was refined in subsequent decades.^[95] Carson participated in four subsequent high-risk conjoined twin separations, including a 1997 operation on craniopagus Zambian twins, Joseph and Luka Banda, which resulted in a normal neurological outcome.^[95] Two sets of twins died, including Iranian twins Ladan and Laleh Bijani; another separation resulted in the death of one twin and the survival of another, who is legally blind and struggles to walk.^[99]

According to the Washington Post, the Binder surgery "launched the stardom" of Carson, who "walked out of the operating room that day into a spotlight that has never dimmed", beginning with a press conference that was covered worldwide, which created name recognition leading to publishing deals and a motivational speaking career.^[95] On the condition the film would have its premiere in Baltimore,^[95]Carson agreed to a cameo appearance as "head surgeon" in the 2003 Farrelly brothers' comedy Stuck on You, starring Matt Damon and Greg Kinnear as conjoined twins who, unhappy after their surgical separation, continue life attached to each other by Velcro.^[95][100]

[Js1 85110]

Hm, but they were born conjoined, meaning this was God's will.  How can conservatives square the fact that this Republican doctor would DARE go against God and separate them? 

[softlynow 1783]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Yes, she's versed in the area.  Though I would contend Slade Broom was a ghostwriter to her.  I just think, before she exposed Carson for having no idea what the hell he's doing---she could have basically summarized for everyone why the FHA rates are what they are and saved everyone a lot of money and time getting together for little reason other than to show that Ben Carson would better served all involve walking the halls of public housing facilities looking for conjoined twins to separate.  

So, rather than using this forum for oversight of public officials, you’re saying the people would be better served by having a congressional hearing, which almost no one watches, spend time teaching a concept that is easily explained in a few paragraphs on a website?

And nice blind jab at her credentials which you didn’t seem remotely aware of until today. 

[Paul Wesley 3277]

There's video of a speech he gave a while back (can't remember if he's addressing a church congregation or a graduating class), where he shares his personal belief that Egyptian pyramids were actually built for grain storage as described somewhere in the Old Testament... ignoring the facts that the pyramids 1) aren't hollow, and 2)  innumerable scholars have spent their lifetimes studying the pyramids, and not fucking one of them thinks that was their purpose.  

In other words:  he's a fucking idiot whose whispered, mumbling speech belies his foolish overconfidence.

[ChiTownDoc 21101]

2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Because you can be super good at one thing and not at all good at many other things.

I'd love to have Kevin Durant on my pick-up basketball team, but I don't know if I'd want him as my software dev team's scrum master.

Albert Einstein revolutionized Physics, but I wouldn't want him as my accountant. (cf. the $1500 check from the Rockefeller Foundation)

Surgeons, especially specialists, have to spend ALL their time keeping up with developments within their field. My father was a surgeon, a great one, and before he retired, not only did he struggle to use a computer, but I couldn't even communicate with him at a low enough level (we're talking terms like "window," "right click" and "menu bar") to where I could get him to understand what he needed to do.

Frankly, I've got to go look up what an "REO" is, too. But then, I'm not the HUD secretary.

The problem isn't that Ben Carson is stupid. It's that he's been put into a job he's completely unqualified to do.

Yep.  I'm still shocked at exactly how dumb Ben makes himself out to be.  My brother was at Hopkins when Carson was there - he didn't have the best reputation but he certainly wasn't known as the buffoon we all know now.  But there's a ton of truth in what you said. 

I switched from a Bio major to business and made mostly A's, rather easily.  I was eating a lot of C's in the sciences.  That brother who trained at Hopkins tried the same route...he was making A's but science classes are harder, so he switched to a business major also...well he made a bunch of B's and switched right back.  I'll say most surgeons aren't 'well rounded' in other aspects of life or even medicine (bedside manner), but they're damn good at surgery.  

[formermav43 4599]

7 minutes ago, Paul Wesley said:

There's video of a speech he gave a while back (can't remember if he's addressing a church congregation or a graduating class), where he shares his personal belief that Egyptian pyramids were actually built for grain storage as described somewhere in the Old Testament... ignoring the facts that the pyramids 1) aren't hollow, and 2)  innumerable scholars have spent their lifetimes studying the pyramids, and not fucking one of them thinks that was their purpose.  

In other words:  he's a fucking idiot whose whispered, mumbling speech belies his foolish overconfidence.

To be clear, the OT doesn’t say or even hint at such a thing either. He theorized that Joseph had them built for grain storage. No biblical scholar has ever posited that either. 

[ChiTownDoc 21101]

3 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Something tells me he got into brain surgery for the money. 

That's the shocking part - you don't just get into med school then pick what you get into.  NeuroSx is hard as fuck to get into and this asswipe was doing it at JH.  You can yell affirmative action or whatever the fuck but 99.9% of people are not getting to the point where they pass the neurosurgery boards.  I'm dumbfounded...between him and Rudy G, the fall from grace has been mind boggling.  They look like complete fools. 

[Asithappens 974]

6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

That's the shocking part - you don't just get into med school then pick what you get into.  NeuroSx is hard as fuck to get into and this asswipe was doing it at JH.  You can yell affirmative action or whatever the fuck but 99.9% of people are not getting to the point where they pass the neurosurgery boards.  I'm dumbfounded...between him and Rudy G, the fall from grace has been mind boggling.  They look like complete fools. 

Affirmative Action!!!!

I'm sure that played a role in Ben's career.