(Houston) Dad shoots at teens who had paintball guns, kills 19-year-old: police

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https://abc13.com/dad-shoots-and-kills-teen-who-had-paintball-gun-police-say/5312163/

HOUSTON, Texas (KTRK) -- Police say a 19-year-old man was shot and killed in northeast Houston Tuesday night.

According to authorities, about 15 teenagers with paintball guns went to a home on Force Street. Police believe the teens went to the home "to fight" a 17-year-old who lives there.

There are several paintball splatters on the house and street at the scene.

Police say the 17-year-old told his father about the teens and the father then went outside with a rifle and fired at them. It is unclear if the father knew the guns the teens had were paintball guns.

The 19-year-old was taken by a private vehicle to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.

The father is being questioned, but police say it doesn't appear he'll be charged.

Three of the teens with paintball guns have been detained. They could be charged with anything from assault to criminal mischief.

[ChickenSandwich 9856]

Play stupid games....

[Hate 20151]

Don’t bring a paint gun to a gun fight.

[Deej 76985]

[Dahobbs 17706]

I don't get not charging the father. You don't get to kill people just because they messed up your property with paint. Maybe he thought they were real guns (but that seems unlikely to me), which is really the only way I could see his use of deadly force being reasonable. 

[po elvis 2083]

7 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't get not charging the father. You don't get to kill people just because they messed up your property with paint. Maybe he thought they were real guns (but that seems unlikely to me), which is really the only way I could see his use of deadly force being reasonable. 

They make paintball guns that look like real ones. Them being paintball guns probably wouldn't come across your average person's mind. I imagine there is some fear involved seeing a mob of teenagers outside your house with what you think are guns. Why should he have to take the chance that they are not real guns? Some could have had paintball guns and others could have had real ones. He was put in a shitty situation. I don't want to charge people who are put in shitty situations with crimes.

[Lhorn 4971]

I think thats the idea, that he thought they were real guns. I mean they don’t look like real guns to me but at night who knows. 

Edited May 22, 2019 by Lhorn

[Dennis Taylor 18886]

I don't think the father should be charged.  But I also think a warning shot might have done the trick

[ChickenSandwich 9856]

Mob shows up to your house with weapons wanting to drag your son outside and beat the shit out of him. 

Responsible to put one down and see if the rest scatter. 

[Izhmash 563]

How about don't gang up on people and mind your own damn business.  Perhaps then, you wont get shot.

/Get off my lawn!

[Lhorn 4971]

I think showing up at a guys house in force to beat him up while his dad is there is asking for trouble. Dad might have something to say about it.  It’s not “you deserve to get shot” bad, but it’s a risky move. 

[TwiceHorn 31632]

I'm not over excited about arresting people or charging them with crimes, but I could easily go either way with charging the father.  If it's as he says/it seems, and it was mistaken self-defense, I could see some value in testing that, short of a trial possibly, but to the point of serious investigation and indictment, perhaps.

I suppose it's possible that the father is falling apart at having killed a more or less innocent teen and charging him seems like overkill.

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, Deej said:

Wagner Arms, LTD.

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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

I don't get not charging the father. You don't get to kill people just because they messed up your property with paint. Maybe he thought they were real guns (but that seems unlikely to me), which is really the only way I could see his use of deadly force being reasonable. 

 

Sitting here on my sofa, that doesn't Jive with what I learned at TOS, "Painting' can be deadly serious....

Edited May 23, 2019 by clapclapclap

[Blotto 23585]

 

[freyguy 4305]

Father at home, sitting on the couch, scratching his ballz, not looking or planning for any of this.  Sorry the kid's dead, but that's about as stupid as you can get....

[FartingMonk 3608]

Ok.  Fuck that.  You show up to my house with a group of 12 people threatening to cause bodily harm to my kid and then proceed to shoot it up with paintball guns breaking windows to goad him outside so he can possibly get killed by this angry mob.  You're gonna get shot.  

Edited May 23, 2019 by FartingMonk

[housious 468]

3 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Ok.  Fuck that.  You show up to my house with a group of 12 people threatening to cause bodily harm to my kid and then proceed to shoot it up with paintball guns breaking windows to goad him outside so he can possibly get killed by this morning b.  You're gonna get shot.  

Yep. I don’t fault the dad for doing it. Putting myself in his shoes, there’s a chance the same thing might have happened.

[Pato del Muerto 52645]

Similar incident happened when I was a high school freshman in 1994. Huge group of kids showed up at a kid’s house because one of them wanted to fight. Kid was scared and came out with a gun and squeezed off a round or two into the crowd. One of the crowd found a bullet. 

Oddly, the only thing coming up on google about the shooting is a newspaper archive that has a picture of the page of the grapevine sun that has the article. 

It led to this bit of fun  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-11-07-9311070330-story,amp.html

and either the shooter or victim was black, so it just added to the craziness. Not long after, the KKK got a parade permit and marched down Dallas st in the middle of grapevine. I was told to keep my ass at home.

edited to add: there’s actually a text box at the bottom of the link with ocr text for the page. If you scroll down a little bit the story is there. 

https://newspaperarchive.com/grapevine-sun-jan-09-1994-p-6/

Edited May 23, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Deej 76985]

Dad should have had some drugs to throw down in the yard. Works for HPD.

[MissingInAction 25230]

Came outside? Only one dead?

Shiiiiieeetttt..

I see that shit outside my front door, I'll be picking motherfuckers off from cover inside my home.

Edited May 23, 2019 by MissingInAction

[Dahobbs 17706]

There was paint on the walls. I assume that happened before the dad started shooting. I just have my doubts that you can reasonably think there are real guns at that point. Obviously, we need more facts, and while I certainly understand the other posts here, the reported facts dont match up with no charge to me. I will also add that I've never seen a paintball gun that looks remotely like a real weapon. The giant hoppers, among other things, make it pretty obvious. That being said, I get in the dark not being able to tell. Still, pain on the walls. Means the guns were fired. It should be pretty obvious at that point what is in going on. 

[Deej 76985]

Of course, he would have had to walk out in the yard and turn around to see paint on the walls.

[Trey3216 15379]

7 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

There was paint on the walls. I assume that happened before the dad started shooting. I just have my doubts that you can reasonably think there are real guns at that point. Obviously, we need more facts, and while I certainly understand the other posts here, the reported facts dont match up with no charge to me. I will also add that I've never seen a paintball gun that looks remotely like a real weapon. The giant hoppers, among other things, make it pretty obvious. That being said, I get in the dark not being able to tell. Still, pain on the walls. Means the guns were fired. It should be pretty obvious at that point what is in going on. 

It was night time I assume.  You walking out to look at your brick/siding with your back to a pack of rowdy teens trying to beat your son’s ass to check and see if those were real bullet holes or paint guns?   Sheeeeeeiiiiit

Edited May 23, 2019 by Trey3216

[Trey3216 15379]

1 minute ago, Deej said:

Of course, he would have had to walk out in the yard and turn around to see paint on the walls.

Is the shed gun a paint gun?

[Deej 76985]

Just now, Trey3216 said:

Is the shed gun a paint gun?

Airsoft, or so he said 

[Reagan1k 3024]

Not sure if the case here but there is a new class of paintball guns designed to be replicas of tactical firearms.  M16, MP5, Uzi etc.

Google tactical paintball gun to get a look-see.

If they had these it would be conceivable that he walked out side to scare them off and then panicked seeing what appeared to be an armed mob.

[FartingMonk 3608]

Real or not.  They showed up at his house around midnight.  Yelling that they were going to kill his son.  These guys ranged from 16-22 years old.  The bullet sponge was 19.  His kid is 17.  I don't feel sorry for him the dead guy one bit. 

[RPM 26373]

wtf

Edited May 23, 2019 by RPM
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[ChiTownDoc 21177]

56 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Ok.  Fuck that.  You show up to my house with a group of 12 people threatening to cause bodily harm to my kid and then proceed to shoot it up with paintball guns breaking windows to goad him outside so he can possibly get killed by this angry mob.  You're gonna get shot.  

 

50 minutes ago, housious said:

Yep. I don’t fault the dad for doing it. Putting myself in his shoes, there’s a chance the same thing might have happened.

I'm hoping I'd have the restraint to only put one of them down. 

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59 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Ok.  Fuck that.  You show up to my house with a group of 12 people threatening to cause bodily harm to my kid and then proceed to shoot it up with paintball guns breaking windows to goad him outside so he can possibly get killed by this angry mob.  You're gonna get shot.  

[TwiceHorn 31632]

I didn't even catch that it was at night and father was awakened.  That's really bad idea jeans.

Don't like saying they deserved it, but  . .  .

[SDG 3319]

49 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

There was paint on the walls. I assume that happened before the dad started shooting. I just have my doubts that you can reasonably think there are real guns at that point. Obviously, we need more facts, and while I certainly understand the other posts here, the reported facts dont match up with no charge to me. I will also add that I've never seen a paintball gun that looks remotely like a real weapon. The giant hoppers, among other things, make it pretty obvious. That being said, I get in the dark not being able to tell. Still, pain on the walls. Means the guns were fired. It should be pretty obvious at that point what is in going on. 

Considering that three of the still living teens are being held; we are certainly missing some of the facts.  My lean is the dad was probably in the right to protect his kid and home.  

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2 hours ago, Dennis Taylor said:

I don't think the father should be charged.  But I also think a warning shot might have done the trick

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t warning shots illegal? I thought the law in Texas was if you pull the trigger you have to be in fear for yours or others lives, so you must be trying to shoot the threatening party to protect yourself or others. 

[Deej 76985]

My dad would have shot me if I had been firing paintballs at the house at midnight. 

[Trey3216 15379]

1 minute ago, drt said:

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t warning shots illegal? I thought the law in Texas was if you pull the trigger you have to be in fear for yours or others lives, so you must be trying to shoot the threatening party to protect yourself or others. 

It’s not that it’s illegal, it’s that a warning shot is firing with lethal intent.  So your defense of lethal intent by warning or lethal intent by castle Doctrine is blurred

[Dennis Taylor 18886]

3 minutes ago, drt said:

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t warning shots illegal? I thought the law in Texas was if you pull the trigger you have to be in fear for yours or others lives, so you must be trying to shoot the threatening party to protect yourself or others. 

Well then I guess it was a warning shot for all the other assholes 

[Nivek 17004]

I am guessing those kids and their adult friends might want to leave the 17 year old alone and take some time to think about the value and consequences of their decisions going forward and reflect on past mistakes. I think we can all learn a lesson here.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, MissingInAction said:

Came outside? Only one dead?

Shiiiiieeetttt..

I see that shit outside my front door, I'll be picking motherfuckers off from cover inside my home.

 

[Lhorn 4971]

1 hour ago, FartingMonk said:

Ok.  Fuck that.  You show up to my house with a group of 12 people threatening to cause bodily harm to my kid and then proceed to shoot it up with paintball guns breaking windows to goad him outside so he can possibly get killed by this angry mob.  You're gonna get shot.  

Yes. Well, when I see five weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That’s *my* policy.’

[RPM 26373]

5 minutes ago, slorch said:

 

Somebody watched S3 of True Detective.

[FartingMonk 3608]

7 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

Yes. Well, when I see five weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That’s *my* policy.’

Whoever is playing Brutus is going to be mighty pissed off

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2 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Whoever is playing Brutus is going to be mighty pissed off

Larp tragedy.

[Neonmoon 38130]

I’m guessing calling the police was out of the question?

Firing a warning shot?

strongly worded letter?

[FartingMonk 3608]

Et Tu hollow point round? 

[Guest]

Just now, FartingMonk said:

Et Tu hollow point round? 

Stop you're killing me.

 

No really...

[FartingMonk 3608]

7 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I’m guessing calling the police was out of the question?

Firing a warning shot?

strongly worded letter?

There was a warning shot.  He just warned the neighborhood the next one that messes with his kid is going to meet an early end.  No but really the sad thing is the family is now gonna have to move for fear of retaliation.  Look up that neighborhood.  These weren't kids out to be mischievous.  They were there to cause serious bodily injury to that man's son. 

[Pato del Muerto 52645]

Do we not know our naked gun lines in this thread?

[Blotto 23585]

2 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

There was a warning shot.  He just warned the neighborhood the next one that messes with his kid is going to meet an early end.  No but really the sad thing is the family is now gonna have to move for fear of retaliation.  Look up that neighborhood.  These weren't kids out to be mischievous.  They were there to cause serious bodily injury to that man's son. 

I dont really care which neighborhood they were in, if an unruly mob shows up at night brandishing what could appear to be real guns, the mob better be prepared for the consequences. I'll withhold final judgement until the facts come out, but right now I agree with the "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" comment posted earlier. Fucking retards breed faster than they can be eliminated.

[achooloco 1086]

31 minutes ago, Lhorn said:

Yes. Well, when I see five weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That’s *my* policy.’

Damn it Frank!

 

edit: Pato del Muerto beat me to it

Edited May 23, 2019 by achooloco