Over rated shit you just don’t get

[jimmyjazz 45957]

Agreed on Harrison.  I think "Here Comes The Sun", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and "Something" are right up there with the best Lennon & McCartney tunes.  Honestly, I don't get it -- how does that much songwriting talent coalesce into one group of dudes who happened to be born and grow up in Liverpool, England?  The odds against are staggering.

They're far from my favorite band, but I can't help but admire the hell out of them.

[Carl Spackler 3483]

27 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I used to look down my nose at the Beatles, because growing it in the 80s, my parents listened to the oldies stations, and they played the corniest syrupy Beatles stuff - the early stuff.  Twist and Shout, Can’t Buy Me Love, etc.    Mention the Beatles to me, and that’s what I thought - the early stuff. 

  

I was kinda the same way with regard to Elvis.  When I was growing up, Elvis was an overweight caricature of his former self, doing shows in Vegas casinos, hopelessly out of touch with modern rock and roll.  So when I was a kid, I couldn't understand what people saw in Elvis and why they thought he was so great.  It wasn't until I heard his early stuff and placed his music in context that I started to understand.  I still can't call myself much of an Elvis fan, but I do have a better understanding of his place in music history and why he was held in adulation by so many.   

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

My distaste for Phish exists for 2 reasons:  I can't stand "jam band" music, and they're the most hyped in that genre.  It's the double whammy of suck.

everyone in the world thinks phish sucks except people who are so stoned they would listen to a vacuum cleaner for 3 hrs. 

Damn straight.

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

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It’s what the free world calls “truth” or “facts”. They suck ass.

[hookem48 4687]

Rush, didn't get it back when, don't get it now and never will. The Professor is amazing, that whiny voice singer, fucking hell.

[Junior Miller 1502]

Any rapper or hip hopper or whatever not named Treach or Snoop. Even those two only had about a 3 year window. 

[hookem48 4687]

On 6/4/2019 at 11:43 PM, DougO said:

The only thing non-shitty that ever came from Springsteen was a song recorded by Manfred Mann.

it's like he wrote it for them

 

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

On 6/3/2019 at 2:34 PM, Vic Mackey said:

Music is subjective. Your opinions and the masses don't mean jack shit. None of can be substantiated outside of a general consensus and opinion.

This is so pedantic. I hate to disabuse you of this cherished notion, but all opinions are not equal. They tell us that when we're young, but you're supposed to outgrow it as you encounter idiots in your adult life. This is not about popularity, or consensus, or whether an opinion "matters" or not. It's about informed criticism and the difference between honest and intelligent disagreement, and demanding that your music-opinion version of "WHOOP! GIG EM AGS!" is a valid one. 

"I don't like Bruce Springsteen's voice" is perfectly valid. You and I share that one. "Bruce Springsteen's voice is no good" is also an opinion, but a pretty dumb one. Something can be not to your liking but still subjectively and even objectively good.

"lulz Bruce Springsteen sucks as bad as KISS" would be a retarded comparison, and the people who make retarded comparisons are all secretly, slightly, retarded.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

I don't know how "overrated" the Chris Robinson Brotherhood is since they're under the mainstream radar except when Chris has something shitty to say about his brother, but I find them completely unlistenable. Given how important Chris Robinson and the Black Crowes were to me musically, CRB is pretty far off the reservation. 

[Al_4_ISU 12463]

I don't know how "overrated" the Chris Robinson Brotherhood is since they're under the mainstream radar except when Chris has something shitty to say about his brother, but I find them completely unlistenable. Given how important Chris Robinson and the Black Crowes were to me musically, CRB is pretty far off the reservation. 

Agree 100%. Chris was throwing shade at Rich and Magpie Salute being a Black Crowes cover band, and Rich replied that Chris is just in a Grateful Dead cover band.

CRB is just aimless noodling bullshit to me

[oSuJeff97 3435]

On 6/8/2019 at 6:38 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Agreed on Harrison.  I think "Here Comes The Sun", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and "Something" are right up there with the best Lennon & McCartney tunes.  Honestly, I don't get it -- how does that much songwriting talent coalesce into one group of dudes who happened to be born and grow up in Liverpool, England?  The odds against are staggering.

They're far from my favorite band, but I can't help but admire the hell out of them.

Yeah it really is amazing.

The thing I've always thought about that totally blows my mind is that the guy who wrote those three songs you noted above was the THIRD most talented guy in the band.  That's staggering to think about.

[Al_4_ISU 12463]

I think you could make an argument that Harrison was more talented than Lennon.  I like his guitar playing better, any how, and he's a better singer.  

Trite as alot of his songs could be, it's hard to argue against Paul as the most talented Beatle.  He did everything really well, and he's definitely the best musician in the band.  His bass playing is probably the only aspect of the Beatles that was actually underrated, and he can play a fuck ton of instruments really well.  He did drums on a song on the last Foo Fighter album, and nailed it.  In a band which contains 2 exceptional rock drummers.

[Asithappens 974]

On 6/8/2019 at 6:12 PM, atomheartbevo said:

 Back in the late 90s, dated a girl that was into the Beatles and Beach Boys,  we had a long road trip....

Ah, the Long Promised Road Trip. 

Hunter Thompson style? 

[Underdog 28645]

The road goes on forever, the party never ends. 

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

3 hours ago, oSuJeff97 said:

Yeah it really is amazing.

The thing I've always thought about that totally blows my mind is that the guy who wrote those three songs you noted above was the THIRD most talented guy in the band.  That's staggering to think about.

kind of funny to contrast that with a band like CCR, which couldn't even put out one acceptable record when its main songwriter said "I'm only writing a third of this next album, you dipshits write the rest". 

[Chad Fuck 17682]

I was kinda the same way with regard to Elvis.  When I was growing up, Elvis was an overweight caricature of his former self, doing shows in Vegas casinos, hopelessly out of touch with modern rock and roll.  So when I was a kid, I couldn't understand what people saw in Elvis and why they thought he was so great.  It wasn't until I heard his early stuff and placed his music in context that I started to understand.  I still can't call myself much of an Elvis fan, but I do have a better understanding of his place in music history and why he was held in adulation by so many.   

My dad has always resented the “fat Elvis” that seemed to dominate discussion of him in the 80s and 90s. He always said “if you could’ve seen him when he was young, you’d understand what he meant to us.”

[HenryJames 66055]

“Before Elvis there was nothing.”

[PencilPusher 454]

On 6/8/2019 at 6:38 PM, jimmyjazz said:

Agreed on Harrison.  I think "Here Comes The Sun", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" and "Something" are right up there with the best Lennon & McCartney tunes.  Honestly, I don't get it -- how does that much songwriting talent coalesce into one group of dudes who happened to be born and grow up in Liverpool, England?  The odds against are staggering.

They're far from my favorite band, but I can't help but admire the hell out of them.

Probably why Abbey Road is my personal favorite Beatles album....the Harrison influence with Here Comes the Sum and Something was stronger on that album than say Sgt Pepper. Amazing to think that Harrison's solo career wasn't great. Other than All Things Must Pass, which is a great album, none of his post-Beatles solo stuff was great. I did like the Traveling Wilbury's though.

 

On 6/11/2019 at 11:45 AM, Al_4_ISU said:

I think you could make an argument that Harrison was more talented than Lennon.  I like his guitar playing better, any how, and he's a better singer.  

Trite as alot of his songs could be, it's hard to argue against Paul as the most talented Beatle.  He did everything really well, and he's definitely the best musician in the band.  His bass playing is probably the only aspect of the Beatles that was actually underrated, and he can play a fuck ton of instruments really well.  He did drums on a song on the last Foo Fighter album, and nailed it.  In a band which contains 2 exceptional rock drummers.

Some of Paul's bass work for the Beatles is pretty intricate and hard to play on a traditional bass. Believe he used a shorter neck Rickenbacker bass which made it easier to play some of the intricate parts.  At least that's what one of my good friends who is a Beatles nut and a bass player says. 

[lateshow 1304]

1. Prince kicks all kinds of ass.

2. Whoever said Tom Petty, I'll fist fight you. 

[Continental Op 3934]

Everything the Foo Fighters have done since The Colour and the Shape.

[sidis 9828]

On 6/3/2019 at 8:00 PM, Dolemite said:

Prince

you know, i never thought you would ever say something that made me think less of your opinions than when you trotted out your whole 9/11 truther and chemtrails shit without being facetious. 

congrats, i was wrong. 

[oSuJeff97 3435]

2 hours ago, Continental Op said:

Everything the Foo Fighters have done since The Colour and the Shape.

Ummmm no.

First off, There's Nothing Left to Lose is an EXCEPTIONAL album.  Following that, "All My Life" and "The Pretender" are probably two of the top 10 songs in their entire catalog.

Also, the entire "Wasting Light" album kicks ass.

Edited June 13, 2019 by oSuJeff97

[Rimbo 25936]

On 6/7/2019 at 11:27 AM, ztejas said:

I was never trying to compare the two, just make the point that MJ's music (I don't care who wrote it or produced it or performed it - just talking about the records in a vacuum) influenced a lot of artists Prince probably notwithstanding. 

I doubt that Prince: A - never listened to Michael, and B - never thought "Ooh, I really like what they did there"

Prince would have been great either way. I just don't know if Purple Rain would have sounded the same without records like Off The Wall and Thriller. 

What I'm tryin' to say here is that this guy here arguable had more to do with MJ's success than anything MJ ever did.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

yeah I don't think Colour and Shape is where the Foo Fighters got boring

[Continental Op 3934]

They started tailing off on There Is Nothing Left To Lose.  

[Deej 76796]

Foo Fighters jumped the shark about the time they appeared on Top Chef.

[Al_4_ISU 12463]

I think In Your Honor was where the Foo Fighters started falling off.

But 6 years after that they did Wasting Light, which slams.

Their trajectory is not linear

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I think In Your Honor was where the Foo Fighters started falling off.

I couldn't be more cynical about that record. A millionaire rock star so moved by the mainstream platitudes of a billionaire candidate for President that he just had to churn out a double album. I agree that the progression isn't linear but that's certainly when they first sprouted Dad Rock wings.