Immigration effects on our Health Care System

[Ted Lange 16041]

Immigrants are the worst!!!!!!!

 

-Entire country made up of immigrants 

[SDG 3319]

Just now, Bama Chick said:

 

I hear there are some comfy cages in El Paso.

Installed by Obama...  

[Incredulity 11564]

11 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Neither will conservatives.

That’s right the city council’s and mayors of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and LA are made up entirely of conservatives.  Also, the governors of each of those states are conservatives too.

Wait... I am pretty sure it is actually the exact opposite.  You fucking moron.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13411]

America needs young people having kids. White people stopped having many kids a long time ago and that trend isn’t reversing.  If America embraced more immigration and improved health care/education for immigrants, the next 50 years will be more prosperous for all.  Including all of the white people who want a well funded govt.

or you can be short sighted and whine about people getting a free meal.  

[FondrenRoad 4378]

17 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

That’s right the city council’s and mayors of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and LA are made up entirely of conservatives.  Also, the governors of each of those states are conservatives too.

Wait... I am pretty sure it is actually the exact opposite.  You fucking moron.

Much like Central America, the complete lack of opportunity and social freedom in red areas of the country will continue to cause migrants from those areas to go to blue cities where opportunity exists. 

If you want to fix San Francisco, you need to fix the shithole dying towns throughout the country that keep sending their people to San Francisco's doorstep. If Kansas tried to make Topeka a beacon of opportunity for Kansas residents instead of a cross between the Handmaid's Tale and Mad Max, more Kansans would stay in state instead of going to better states and putting increased pressure on infrastructure and housing prices there. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

31 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

America needs young people having kids. White people stopped having many kids a long time ago and that trend isn’t reversing.  If America embraced more immigration and improved health care/education for immigrants, the next 50 years will be more prosperous for all.  Including all of the white people who want a well funded govt.

or you can be short sighted and whine about people getting a free meal.  

And bringing in vast numbers of people with little to no education is not a recipe for success. Our system is not graduating our own at risk kids as it is.  Add a language barrier, and the problem multiplies. 

It's a recipe for more haves and have nots.  As the have nots begin to out number the haves, the system cannot sustain itself. 

Edited June 2, 2019 by Onboard 2.0

[Js1 85104]

26 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Much like Central America, the complete lack of opportunity and social freedom in red areas of the country will continue to cause migrants from those areas to go to blue cities where opportunity exists. 

If you want to fix San Francisco, you need to fix the shithole dying towns throughout the country that keep sending their people to San Francisco's doorstep. If Kansas tried to make Topeka a beacon of opportunity for Kansas residents instead of a cross between the Handmaid's Tale and Mad Max, more Kansans would stay in state instead of going to better states and putting increased pressure on infrastructure and housing prices there. 

They’ll never get this. 

They will keep trying to make every red state into Kansas and Louisiana (oh 2 states who voted for Dem governors to fix the fucking messes left by the GOP) and bitching about blue states/cities that keep this country running. And keeps the lights on in Mississippi and Alabama - huge takers of federal funds. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13411]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

And bringing in vast numbers of people with little to no education is not a recipe for success. Our system is not graduating our own at risk kids as it is.  Add a language barrier, and the problem multiplies. 

It's a recipe for more haves and have nots.  As the have nots begin to out number the haves, the system cannot sustain itself. 

The system isn’t sustainable at the current level so sticking to the game plan most assured disaster.  You know this already  

I’m all for secure borders but allow people in and document them.  Increase penalties for those employers preying on the immigrants and not enforcing tax laws.  Get the immigrants into the system, and the system will produce better results.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

16 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Take a look at this chart.  We HAVE to have a stable or increasing birthrate or we get Japan's deflationary spiral.  The future is brown/yellow.  Get used to it.

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19563	4,218,000	25.2
19573	4,308,000	25.3
19583	4,255,000	24.5
19593	4,295,000	24.3
19603	4,257,850	23.7
19613	4,268,326	23.3
19623	4,167,362	22.4
19633	4,098,020	21.7
19643	4,027,490	21.0
19653	3,760,358	19.4
19663	3,606,274	18.4
19674	3,520,959	17.8
19683	3,501,564	17.5
19693	3,600,206	17.8
19703	3,731,386	18.4
19713	3,555,970	17.2
1972	3,258,411	15.6
1973	3,136,965	14.9
1974	3,159,958	14.9
1975	3,144,198	14.8
1976	3,167,788	14.8
1977	3,326,632	15.4
1978	3,333,279	15.3
1979	3,494,398	15.9
1980	3,612,258	15.9
1982	3,680,537	15.9
1983	3,638,933	15.5
1984	3,669,141	15.5
1985	3,760,561	15.8
1986	3,731,000	15.5
1987	3,829,000	15.7
1988	3,913,000	15.9
1989	4,021,000	16.2
1990	4,179,000	16.7
1991	4,111,000	16.2
1992	4,084,000	16.0
1993	4,039,000	15.7
1994	3,979,000	15.3
1995	3,892,000	14.8
1996	3,899,000	14.7
1997	3,882,000	14.5
1998	3,941,553	14.6
1999	3,959,417	14.5
2000	4,058,814	14.7
2001	4,025,933	14.1
2002	4,021,726	13.9
2003	4,089,950	14.1
2004	4,112,052	14.0
2005	4,138,349	14.0
2009	4,131,019	13.8

 

Stop destroying the American middle class and making the cost of living so damn high (tax tax tax) that people feel it’s irresponsible to have children they may not be able to afford. Central America has no such qualms. 

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

10 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Illegal Immigrants are the worst!!!!!!!

 

-Entire country founded by LEGAL immigration 

If only they were white none of these issues would exists. 

Edited June 2, 2019 by ChickenSandwich

[David Dennison 18655]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

That’s right the city council’s and mayors of Seattle, Portland, San Francisco and LA are made up entirely of conservatives.  Also, the governors of each of those states are conservatives too.

Wait... I am pretty sure it is actually the exact opposite.  You fucking moron.

What are the conservatives doing about homelessness where they are in charge?

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

In San Francisco $75k a year qualifies you for housing assistance. It’s no wonder everyone lives paycheck to paycheck regardless of salary. They price their own citizens out of child birth  teachers can’t afford to live and teach in the city  and often live with parents to survive.  It is a completely self created problem  

This is government not allowing capitalist rules to work.  They prop up the underpaying jobs instead of letting the market correct itself to the proper level of need vs cost.  It exacerbated the problem  

Urbanization was a way for liberal elites in large cities to gain more power.  It’s also why the electoral college is so important and works.  2600 vs 480 counties voted Republican vs Democrat.  Urbanization allowed a few cities to control the majority of the vote  

 

Sadly, it is being proven out that sprawl is a much better policy than Urban density which causes massive inequality. 

Edited June 2, 2019 by ChickenSandwich

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The system isn’t sustainable at the current level so sticking to the game plan most assured disaster.  You know this already  

I’m all for secure borders but allow people in and document them.  Increase penalties for those employers preying on the immigrants and not enforcing tax laws.  Get the immigrants into the system, and the system will produce better results.

So our system isn't sustainable currently and people want to let even more folks in who won't be a positive gain to the system, but in all probability many  may only add to welfare rolls.  Take care of our shit at home, and stop with the we are the world sunshine fallacy.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Shouldn’t we be asking why Americans are reluctant to have children?  It’s lazy to just say it’s a culture change to not having kids. It is clearly related to debt and the high cost of living in the United States. Richest country, also the most expensive when you subsidize so many other countries (especially health care)

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What are the conservatives doing about homelessness where they are in charge?

Well as the democrats held Congress for almost 56 uninterrupted years (until 1994 ?) the problems sure as shit weren't being dealt with by them when they held it for over a half century.  

But hey that doesn't count, cause it's in the past....

[Incredulity 11564]

50 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Much like Central America, the complete lack of opportunity and social freedom in red areas of the country will continue to cause migrants from those areas to go to blue cities where opportunity exists. 

If you want to fix San Francisco, you need to fix the shithole dying towns throughout the country that keep sending their people to San Francisco's doorstep. If Kansas tried to make Topeka a beacon of opportunity for Kansas residents instead of a cross between the Handmaid's Tale and Mad Max, more Kansans would stay in state instead of going to better states and putting increased pressure on infrastructure and housing prices there. 

That is a great piece of myopic dystopian fiction.

 

[Incredulity 11564]

13 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

What are the conservatives doing about homelessness where they are in charge?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/archive/item/What-S-F-can-learn-from-Salt-Lake-City-30428.php

 

here you go

[Nice Guy Eddie 13411]

 

8 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Shouldn’t we be asking why Americans are reluctant to have children?  It’s lazy to just say it’s a culture change to not having kids. It is clearly related to debt and the high cost of living in the United States. Richest country, also the most expensive when you subsidize so many other countries (especially health care)

Most Americans see little reason  to have more than 1 or 2 kids and I think debt and cost of living is only a factor. Hell more and more want zero now.  If I think about most Of all of my friends and coworkers, they have had so few kids (and no one is having more) that the next generation, from this group of people, declined in number. 

And there is zero reason to think that Americans will reverse that trend.  Even the Hispanic birth rate is plummeting in the US.  Embracing immigration and improving the immigration support system is the best chance of continued US success. Or we can be some combination of Japan and the UK by 2100.  

[Brisketexan 104596]

Stop destroying the American middle class and making the cost of living so damn high (tax tax tax) that people feel it’s irresponsible to have children they may not be able to afford. Central America has no such qualms. 

I love this particular piece of made up bullshit.

The middle class IS being crushed economically...but you got any data for WHY that is? Check it out.

You’re not going to find data that shows that their relative tax burden has skyrocketed over the last 40 years. It hasn’t. Things that ARE crushing them? 1) skyrocketing healthcare costs (and you don’t get to blame libs for that - this was true for decades before the ACA); 2) skyrocketing higher ed costs (deregulated public tuition, joined with plummeting state funding, capped with easy student loans); and of course, 3) relatively stagnant earnings in adjusted dollars.

High taxes are effectively the least of the concerns for the middle class. Not seeing their wages go up, while big-ticket expenses go up, is killing them.

If the middle class saw their wages increase at even HALF the rate of the top 5%, we’d be so much better off. Just for starters.

But you know, it’s so much easier blaming brown people who wash dishes for all of our problems.

[DaysOff 7851]

#3 coincided with the death of organized labor which the Republican party successfully turned into a dirty word. I still hear, especially in this state, people bemoan unions. Hey dipshits, if your name isn't on the company letterhead, YOU'RE LABOR. Took me many years to come around, but I'll glady keep paying my 5k+ annual union dues when I look at my pay/benefits/protections compared to the non organized other side.

 

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

12 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

Immigrants are the worst!!!!!!!

 

-Entire country made up of immigrants 

Could you be more trite and ignorant with a post ?

[Smax 3800]

1 hour ago, DaysOff said:

#3 coincided with the death of organized labor which the Republican party successfully turned into a dirty word. I still hear, especially in this state, people bemoan unions. Hey dipshits, if your name isn't on the company letterhead, YOU'RE LABOR. Took me many years to come around, but I'll glady keep paying my 5k+ annual union dues when I look at my pay/benefits/protections compared to the non organized other side.

 

 

 

 

We use both and the non union guys make significantly more then the union shops and have the same benefits, this is construction in California. A large part of that is union shops wont work on Sunday because its double time all day and their bosses refuse to pay.

If it was up to me I'd hire non union only as everything from quality of work to cost is better but we have several government contracts that require us to "spread the wealth"

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

Unions can work but they always seem to abuse their power.  Of course with no unions, the labor force tends to get it.  IL is absolutely bankrupt in large part due to unions.  

Brisket nails it above on taxes.  If your wage is stuck in the middle class it’s not taxes that are killing you.  Lol.  I can’t believe people are dumb enough to buy that.  But they do and idiots keep voting against their own interests.  

[David Dennison 18655]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/archive/item/What-S-F-can-learn-from-Salt-Lake-City-30428.php

here you go

Yep. Give them housing. It would be nice if conservatives outside of Utah agreed with this.

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Yep. Give them housing. It would be nice if conservatives outside of Utah agreed with this.

The vast majority of homeless people have significant mental health issues as noted by other posters.  Conservatives always fuck that up and try to rationalize why they’re homeless without accounting for the biggest factor - they’re mentally ill.  

[lemonlime 5503]

Reagan's closing of mental health facilities is probably the bottom line biggest reason for the increase in the number of homeless.   It has nothing whatsoever to do with red or blue cities, other than that most urban areas are Democratic, and there are both less homeless and less people around to see the homeless in say the middle of cornfield in Nebraska.

Also, none of this has anything whatsoever to do with immigartion.

[JimmyJames 12271]

14 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Attic

Hello. My name is jimmy. And I’m a drug attic. 

[ChiTownDoc 21098]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

Hello. My name is jimmy. And I’m a drug attic. 

Address please?

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

So our system isn't sustainable currently and people want to let even more folks in who won't be a positive gain to the system, but in all probability many  may only add to welfare rolls.  Take care of our shit at home, and stop with the we are the world sunshine fallacy.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that immigration, both legal and illegal, is a net positive for the country as a whole economically is a compete fucking moron. 

Oh, hi onboard! How ya doing? 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

Anyone who doesn’t understand that immigration, both legal and illegal, is a net positive for the country as a whole economically is a compete fucking moron. 

Oh, hi onboard! How ya doing? 

Jesus the ignorance of your naive concepts is astounding.

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Shouldn’t we be asking why Americans are reluctant to have children?  It’s lazy to just say it’s a culture change to not having kids. It is clearly related to debt and the high cost of living in the United States. Richest country, also the most expensive when you subsidize so many other countries (especially health care)

Anyone who thinks that the reason America has a debt to revenue problem is because we subsidize foreign countries instead of subsidizing this country’s own ultra rich, including the owners of companies like KBR, is a complete fucking moron. 

Oh hi Chicken Sandwich! How ya doing? 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Jesus the ignorance of your naive concepts is astounding.

That’s how you’re doing? 

[JimmyJames 12271]

If it wasn’t for illegal immigrants not only would trumps hotels be cheesy and out of date but they would be cheesy and out of date and smell like shit. 

[Bullneck 18987]

3 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Stop destroying the American middle class and making the cost of living so damn high (tax tax tax) that people feel it’s irresponsible to have children they may not be able to afford. Central America has no such qualms. 

OK, old man.  Take a nap and you'll feel better.

[Bullneck 18987]

4 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Much like Central America, the complete lack of opportunity and social freedom in red areas of the country will continue to cause migrants from those areas to go to blue cities where opportunity exists. 

If you want to fix San Francisco, you need to fix the shithole dying towns throughout the country that keep sending their people to San Francisco's doorstep. If Kansas tried to make Topeka a beacon of opportunity for Kansas residents instead of a cross between the Handmaid's Tale and Mad Max, more Kansans would stay in state instead of going to better states and putting increased pressure on infrastructure and housing prices there. 

+rep just for that alone!

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Sleeping through it will make it not be true?

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2018/mar/15/californias-middle-class-decline-despite-states-im/

California’s Middle Class Is In Decline, Despite The State’s Immense Wealth

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/longform/shrinking-middle-class-nyc

The Shrinking Middle Class: Tales from New York City

[JimmyJames 12271]

Yeah it’s the taxes that are destroying the middle class. That’s rich. It has nothing to do with shrinking real wages, astronomical Heath care and education costs and deficits caused by subsidies for the ultra rich. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

The middle class should have all gone to trump university and then we wouldn’t be having this problem. 

[elfenix 34171]

on a day in which zavala is posting about san fran street shitters in the houston mayoral election thread, i didn't think he'd have competition for dumbest post here.  but chickensandwich is making a run at it. 

3 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Urbanization was a way for liberal elites in large cities to gain more power.  It’s also why the electoral college is so important and works.  2600 vs 480 counties voted Republican vs Democrat.  Urbanization allowed a few cities to control the majority of the vote  

he really seems to think that some cabal of liberal elites is marking everyone else's ballots in cities. 

Edited June 2, 2019 by elfenix

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 minutes ago, elfenix said:

on a day in which zavala is posting about san fran street shitters in the houston mayoral election thread, i didn't think he'd have competition for dumbest post here.  but chickensandwich is making a run at it. 

he really seems to think that some cabal of liberal elites is marking ballots in cities. 

The trolls are active today. Apparently the theme today is that people take shits in cities while out in the sticks, people just shit in the woods. They prefer shitting in the woods apparently. 

Edited June 2, 2019 by JimmyJames

[F250 28682]

3 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

In San Francisco $75k a year qualifies you for housing assistance. It’s no wonder everyone lives paycheck to paycheck regardless of salary. They price their own citizens out of child birth  teachers can’t afford to live and teach in the city  and often live with parents to survive.  It is a completely self created problem   

This is primarily a Supply/Demand issue. San Francisco and Silicon Valley experienced gentrification on East German steroids. San Francisco is a victim of it's success.

4 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

This is government not allowing capitalist rules to work.  They prop up the underpaying jobs instead of letting the market correct itself to the proper level of need vs cost.  It exacerbated the problem

This isn't the case. The median income in San Francisco is around $100k and the minimum wage increase was well below the price floor, there is a decrease in low wage workers because even with the new minimum wage it doesn't meet the required income for the high cost of living. The market forces are what's driving the cost of living up and creating a lot of winners, the problem is what to do with the losers being priced out of the area. The world needs ditch diggers but even ditch diggers need to sleep and eat.

4 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Urbanization was a way for liberal elites in large cities to gain more power.  It’s also why the electoral college is so important and works.  2600 vs 480 counties voted Republican vs Democrat.  Urbanization allowed a few cities to control the majority of the vote   

 

Sadly, it is being proven out that sprawl is a much better policy than Urban density which causes massive inequality.  

The situation is the opposite in San Francisco. The city is landlocked and doesn't have the space to expand and has local regulations that discourage urban density. San Francisco needs to go the NYC route with urban density in order to increase the supply of real estate to meet the demand.

[Kdub 498]

51 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Sleeping through it will make it not be true?

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2018/mar/15/californias-middle-class-decline-despite-states-im/

California’s Middle Class Is In Decline, Despite The State’s Immense Wealth

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/longform/shrinking-middle-class-nyc

The Shrinking Middle Class: Tales from New York City

Middle class is shrinking everywhere, not just in the big cities. The 1 presenters have redistributed wealth from the poor and middle class back to themselves from their republitards through tax cuts. But God forbid when someone mentions increasing taxes on wealthy people, morons like this dipshit here,  screams class warefare!!!!

[F250 28682]

37 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

The trolls are active today. Apparently the theme today is that people take shits in cities while out in the sticks, people just shit in the woods. They prefer shitting in the woods apparently. 

To be fair, I prefer shitting in the woods as long as its done responsibly. Having seen a homeless man take a dump in a downtown parking lot, I will say the woods are definitely preferable.

 

[David Dennison 18655]

30 minutes ago, F250 said:

To be fair, I prefer shitting in the woods as long as its done responsibly. Having seen a homeless man take a dump in a downtown parking lot, I will say the woods are definitely preferable.

 

That reminds me, while we're providing the homeless with housing, we also need public toilets.

[F250 28682]

24 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That reminds me, while we're providing the homeless with housing, we also need public toilets.

San Antonio installed a couple of these downtown. The city claims that its cheaper to pay for these than cleanup the poo/pee all day every day. The Police department claims there was a significant drop in citations for public urination near the new restrooms.

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

Off main topic, but certainly in line with last half page of posts---what's the "working number" of homeless in Austin according to public/non-profit officials close to the situation?  

[JimmyJames 12271]

Step 1) Republican policies geared toward inequality create a bunch of bums.

Step 2) Since the bums are way past the fetus stage, Republicans won’t let the bums live in their towns so the bums naturally migrate to cities that at least try to help them.

Step 3) Bums have to eat and shit too.

Step 4) Republicans - “your Libtard city is full of shitting bums!”

Step 5) Johnny Sack posts on surly that the bums fault is all their own then announces he’s gonna vote for trump shortly after having his yacht spray washed just in case some bum pissed on it. 

Edited June 3, 2019 by JimmyJames

[achooloco 1065]

On 6/1/2019 at 4:45 PM, Crusher said:

Just looked through the article and you are correct. But it don't take a genius to make the connection to Sanctuary cities where illegal immigration is not only accepted but encouraged,

Now we are supposed to pay for it. 

Can all the people that live in South America come to the US? I just don't see it.

For the record, Are you claiming immigrants are bringing disease?  Link or evidence for the”non-geniuses” and non-racists, please.

[Js1 85104]

2 minutes ago, achooloco said:

For the record, Are you claiming immigrants are bringing disease?  Link or evidence for the”non-geniuses” and non-racists, please.

How else does precious snowflake Kaylee Jo get measles? If dirty immigrants weren’t here, my anti-vaccinated kids wouldn’t get diseases! 

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 hours ago, Js1 said:

If dirty non-vaccinated immigrants weren’t here, my anti-vaccinated kids wouldn’t get diseases! 

Fify.