Austin Homeless Free for All Ordinance

[ZB'Tejas 593]

7 minutes ago, Deej said:

They need to be placed in each district's councilperson's yard. 

Much more ideal.

 

Considering Bull Creek flows into Lake Austin and in turn Town lake it's strange that that would be acceptable. As expected NextDoor is still very much upset over this so will be funny to continue reading those posts.

[mchookem 16,336]

[Paco 1,934]

I don't think fitlump has a yard.

[Deej 76,791]

10 minutes ago, Paco said:

I don't think fitlump has a yard.

They can camp on her fivehead. 

[wd40 1,976]

10 hours ago, mchookem said:

i hike Bull Creek and St. Edwards parks frequently during the week...and i'm already wary in Bull Creek bc i've stumbled across some gentlemen in, uh, some compromising activities more than once (i'm prone to taking the 'road less traveled' but boy have i stopped that there!). adding a homeless camp is basically going to make me give up Bull Creek altogether. how can that possible be a desired goal??? idiots 😡

same (well, bike).

they should put them in Forest Ridge.  call it a "gated community".   I mean, FR is already a giant fuck-you to the taxpayers.  might as well make it a fuck-you to the birds and birdfags.  

[Biff Tannen 45,685]

4 hours ago, Deej said:

They can camp on her fivehead. 

Set up and spike.

[Deej 76,791]

And there goes the park plan.

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The Senate made some changes to House Bill 1925, which passed in the lower chamber earlier this month. One amendment – in direct response to the City of Austin – would block local governments from using parks as temporary shelters.

 

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/texas-senate-approves-statewide-camping-ban-bill-prevents-city-parks-from-being-temporary-shelter-sites/

[dcar00 14,210]

8 hours ago, ZB'Tejas said:

Did I hear right that they would select at least 1 campsite in each district? Considering Bull Creek is the only option in District 10 it might be extremely likely it goes there.

wouldn't the bull creek area be in a potential flood zone?

[dcar00 14,210]

8 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

What I don't understand is we literally had a vote where the people said, "no more public camping" and the first thing that happens is we are presented a list of possible public places for camping.  

this list was ready to go before the vote.  this is all in the plan to delay.  present 45. take another month to pare it down to 35. another month to 25, etc.

these people aren't moving until state govt does the work, which will be sued by ACLU, CoA, etc to.............suprise!   Delay.

[Samson's Wig 3,192]

25 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

wouldn't the bull creek area be in a potential flood zone?

Yes, one of the most common areas to flood in the county.  They were never going to put a homeless camp there, or at the entrance to River Place.  That was nothing but a fuck you to the people they supposedly work for.

 

[Samson's Wig 3,192]

30 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

this list was ready to go before the vote.  this is all in the plan to delay.  present 45. take another month to pare it down to 35. another month to 25, etc.

these people aren't moving until state govt does the work, which will be sued by ACLU, CoA, etc to.............suprise!   Delay.

It's sad how many things the state is about to have to step in and do for this city.  Schools, law enforcement, enforcing voter initiatives.  Is it too much to ask that we find some folks somewhere in the middle of the nutbags running the state and the nutbags running this city that we can put in charge for a little while?

[Steel Shank 9,425]

8 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

It's sad how many things the state is about to have to step in and do for this city.  Schools, law enforcement, enforcing voter initiatives.  Is it too much to ask that we find some folks somewhere in the middle of the nutbags running the state and the nutbags running this city that we can put in charge for a little while?

This. I'm not a fan of the state trying to govern at the microlevel, but in this case, I'll make an exception. Best route to take for the future would be to not have absolute idiots on the city council.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

wouldn't the bull creek area be in a potential flood zone?

Maybe that’s the plan? 

[Deej 76,791]

2 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Maybe that’s the plan? 

The County Line on the lake could pull the bodies out of the water and improve the quality of their meats. 

[Steel Shank 9,425]

"Bull Creek Sausage" only at County Line. Handmade by sausage artisans and locally sourced. Infused with Austin!!

[Deej 76,791]

"I get so sleepy after eating bbq."

"That's the heroin."

[phdhorn 6,224]

22 minutes ago, Steel Shank said:

"Bull Creek Sausage" only at County Line. Handmade by sausage artisans and locally sourced. Infused with Austin!!

[Guest Lobo]

That was such a fucked up movie.  How the fuck did those guys at Benny's Video let me and my 4th grade friends rent that movie?  

[JimmyJames 12,271]

1 minute ago, Lobo said:

That was such a fucked up movie.  How the fuck did those guys at Benny's Video let me and my 4th grade friends rent that movie?  

It was the 80s and nobody gave a shit?

[Guest Lobo]

That's true.  They wouldn't let us go in the "back room" where they had the porn.  We knew they wouldn't rent them to us, but we just wanted to see the naked ladies on the tape boxes.  But my buddy brings "Motel Hell" up to the counter, I ask, "Can't the people just scream for help?" and Benny tells me, "Nah see...the first thing they do after they bury you up to your neck is slice out your vocal chords with a razor."  But can Lobo and his friends take a gander, "Best Chest in the West: Volume 3"?  NO!!!  Thanks a lot Tammie Fae! 

[phdhorn 6,224]

7 minutes ago, Lobo said:

That was such a fucked up like the bestest movie of ALLL TIIMMME!.  

C'mon, that was great!  Rory Calhoun was awesome, along with Miss Ballbricker.  Best movie to drink beer with that was ever made.  Ever.  EVER!!!

[Blotto 23,511]

20 hours ago, mchookem said:

i hike Bull Creek and St. Edwards parks frequently during the week...and i'm already wary in Bull Creek bc i've stumbled across some gentlemen in, uh, some compromising activities more than once (i'm prone to taking the 'road less traveled' but boy have i stopped that there!). adding a homeless camp is basically going to make me give up Bull Creek altogether. how can that possible be a desired goal??? idiots 😡

that does seem like an unnecessary  risk considering the circumstances. 

[RollLeft 5,045]

14 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

It's sad how many things the state is about to have to step in and do for this city.  Schools, law enforcement, enforcing voter initiatives.  Is it too much to ask that we find some folks somewhere in the middle of the nutbags running the state and the nutbags running this city that we can put in charge for a little while?

[Armybrat 40,844]

14 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

It's sad how many things the state is about to have to step in and do for this city.  Schools, law enforcement, enforcing voter initiatives.  Is it too much to ask that we find some folks somewhere in the middle of the nutbags running the state and the nutbags running this city that we can put in charge for a little while?

All the more reason for the State to have a constitutional amendment that would change Travis County/Wilco to a “Capital district” like Washington DC.

[Bevo 13,577]

On 5/20/2021 at 7:40 AM, Biff Tannen said:

What I don't understand is we literally had a vote where the people said, "no more public camping" and the first thing that happens is we are presented a list of possible public places for camping.  

Yeah, I'm not even sure if what the city council is doing is legal. I thought the vote wasn't to move camping, but to eliminate it.

[Biff Tannen 45,685]

3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah, I'm not even sure if what the city council is doing is legal. I thought the vote wasn't to move camping, but to eliminate it.

And you thought correctly. 

[bschoolprof 6,254]

What happens at the city level from here on out is probably far less important than at the state level as far as camping.  Prop b was a nice symbolic victory for the voters, but it doesn't really mean much at a practical level, as the city's latest fuckery shows.  Laws are meaningless if enforcement isn't in place.  The lege is having to step in to fix the city's blunders, just as they did with Uber/Lyft.  

[Cajun 11,705]

16 hours ago, Deej said:

And there goes the park plan.

 

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/texas-senate-approves-statewide-camping-ban-bill-prevents-city-parks-from-being-temporary-shelter-sites/

Way to go Leg!

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,819]

On 5/20/2021 at 8:41 AM, Deej said:

They can camp on her fivehead. 

Heck she makes her daughter sleep on her office floor, that office could fit a few homeless.

[Deej 76,791]

12 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Heck she makes her daughter sleep on her office floor, that office could fit a few homeless.

It already houses two. 

[Armybrat 40,844]

53 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah, I'm not even sure if what the city council is doing is legal. I thought the vote wasn't to move camping, but to eliminate it.

Correct.

Adler and the CC don’t care what the taxpayers said with the landslide vote. They know what it meant but they are giving you the finger in your face and laughing about it behind closed doors. They do not work for you, only themselves and their crooked crony friends & relatives.

[Armybrat 40,844]

43 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

What happens at the city level from here on out is probably far less important than at the state level as far as camping.  Prop b was a nice symbolic victory for the voters, but it doesn't really mean much at a practical level, as the city's latest fuckery shows.  Laws are meaningless if enforcement isn't in place.  The lege is having to step in to fix the city's blunders, just as they did with Uber/Lyft.  

And the ETJ rules in the 1990s.

That allowed Brushy Creek MUD to vote ourselves out of Austin’s ETJ at the first opportunity. Thank you State Lege.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Armybrat

[Bozo_Casanova 26,460]

Weird I thought y’all’s feelings told you the homeless population had multiplied as they had just poured into this town, beckoned by  ample sidewalk camping and friendly folks!

Count shows Austin's homeless population hasn't grown since 2020

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The Ending Community Homelessness Coalition, or ECHO, released the results of their annual study Friday morning.

In past years, the nonprofit conducted a point-in-time count in which hundreds of volunteers dispersed throughout the city and took inventory of every person they could find living in a shelter, outdoors or in a vehicle. Due to concerns with spreading COVID-19, ECHO canceled this year's count, scheduled for January, and instead used an alternative method that showed how many people accessed services through a homelessness response system.

Under that method, 3,160 people were estimated to have been experiencing homelessness on Jan. 28 — the day the data was analyzed. That represented a 1% decrease from the 3,194 people estimated to have been living homeless that same day last year using the same data method.

That methodology was also applied to 2019, which showed an estimate of 3,024 homeless individuals.

[ChickenSandwich 9,836]

So $150 million got no one off the street?

[CooterBrown 18,012]

So $150 million got no one off the street?

Dude. It got 170 bums off the street. Granted, they probably all OD’ed but it was only $882,000 per bum.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,460]

32 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

So $150 million got no one off the street?

Look the policy was and is a disaster, you’ll get no argument from me there. 
But it didn’t conjure new homeless people into existence and doesn’t appear to have attracted many, if any, to the area.

It brought the scope and scale of the problem we all live with into vivid relief and rubbed our noses in this city’s failure to care for the most vulnerable. 
 

Austin was a rotten place to be sick and helpless before, And it’s a rotten place to be sick and helpless today.  It’s not a money problem, it’s a give a shit problem.

Edited May 22, 2021 by Bozo_Casanova

[David Dennison 18,860]

On 5/20/2021 at 5:22 PM, Steel Shank said:

This. I'm not a fan of the state trying to govern at the microlevel, but in this case, I'll make an exception. Best route to take for the future would be to not have absolute idiots on the city council.

Pesky democracy.

[bschoolprof 6,254]

3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Weird I thought y’all’s feelings told you the homeless population had multiplied as they had just poured into this town, beckoned by  ample sidewalk camping and friendly folks!

Count shows Austin's homeless population hasn't grown since 2020

I'm not sure this is really making the point you think it makes. The methodology is based on a database of heads of households seeking permanent housing and going through through a seemingly involved process. To wit:

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To estimate the number of people experiencing unsheltered homelessness who are seeking services, we used the by-name list (BNL) extracted from HMIS on January 28th, 2021. The BNL is a list of all heads of household who have entered the Homelessness Response System, completed a Coordinated Assessment (CA), and are either on a prioritization or program referral list. The prioritization list is a list of heads of household who completed a CA and have expressed a need for a permanent housing (PH) program intervention—either Rapid Re-Housing (RRH) or Permanent Supportive Housing (PSH)—but have not been connected to a specific program yet. Some people on this list are waiting for RRH, some for PSH, and others for either. The program referral list is a list of heads of household whose referral has been accepted by a PH program but who have not moved into housing yet.

I highly doubt our camper friends from the vice video who moved here and aren't interested in shelters because they have "rules" (like no drugs) are on this list or are even interested in it.  

Even using this methodology, the number of unsheltered service seekers is up about 20% since 2019, when the ban was lifted.  

[dcar00 14,210]

hey if it is only a couple thousand this should be easy to take care of

narrator: its not a couple of thousand...

[RollLeft 5,045]

11 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Austin was Earth is a rotten place to be sick and helpless before, And it’s a rotten place to be sick and helpless today.  It’s not a money problem, it’s a give a shit problem.

fify

[Nicole44 22,060]

Austin city council doing their absolute best to alienate everyone on this issue. That takes skill. 
 

“Austin's Black leaders are demanding answers about the City of Austin’s preliminary locations for homeless camps. The map of possible sites looks lopsided to some city and county leaders and they want more transparency in the selection process.

The map includes 45 city-owned areas that could possibly be turned into designated camps for people experiencing homelessness. On Monday, black community leaders said too many of the possibilities are in low-income, underserved, and predominantly Black and brown communities.

“Even if three-quarters of these places aren’t accessible, aren’t even a possibility for use, you’ve already published a map, a visual aid, that frightens people frankly,” said Harper Madison.

Those concerns already have some neighborhoods on the defensive.

“People are ready to advocate for themselves and their communities and in a lot of cases for no reason. Some of these places aren’t even a possibility,” said Harper Madison.

 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Nicole44

[Armybrat 40,844]

She’s right, you know.

[Nicole44 22,060]

Just now, Armybrat said:

She’s right, you know.

Yep. Council somehow managed in a time of great political divide to unite us all. Unintended consequence of course.

[Wally Pryor 5,261]

O/U on Ben White not looking like an embarrassing fucking cesspool: 120 days.

I'll be shocked if that happens before Fall rolls around.   Would probably take the over. 

[dcar00 14,210]

And still Casar hasn't offered up the Home Depot in his district...

[phdhorn 6,224]

Just now, dcar00 said:

And still Casar hasn't offered up the Home Depot in his district...

I would wager that that guy has never been in a home depot, he probably has to read up on how to change a light bulb. He's about as do it yourself as a guy in an iron lung.

[Wally Pryor 5,261]

Lulz.

 

On Monday, KXAN spoke with a woman experiencing homelessness at City Hall who explained that those camping outside of the City Council building have formed their own “security detail.”

“We have a whole security team here,” Trisha English said, adding that she and others work shifts to make sure they’re securing the area 24 hours a day. She says when it’s her turn, she wears a bulletproof vest.

“I secure this camp to make sure everybody’s okay and make sure things do not get deescalated [sic] to the point where they have to call APD because APD is completely corrupted,” English said.

During the interview with English, a man with a machete came up, asking English if she wanted the KXAN News crew there. The man said to the news crew that he was part of the encampment’s security detail.

Those trading off shifts can often be seen wearing a vest, carrying one or more knives and using walkie talkies.

KXAN has reached out to APD, asking whether officers are aware of the group organizing its own detail. KXAN has also asked APD at what point it would consider that a threat to public safety and if that would result in officers clearing out the encampment ahead of the July deadline.

 

 

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homeless-campers-around-city-hall-form-their-own-armed-security-detail/

[Nicole44 22,060]

I still think we should start blasting shitty music at night to drive them out. They were always going to force a confrontation. Like everything else it will be a shit show. Thanks to Adler and Casar. Great job fuckers! 

[dcar00 14,210]

8 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Lulz.

 

On Monday, KXAN spoke with a woman experiencing homelessness at City Hall who explained that those camping outside of the City Council building have formed their own “security detail.”

“We have a whole security team here,” Trisha English said, adding that she and others work shifts to make sure they’re securing the area 24 hours a day. She says when it’s her turn, she wears a bulletproof vest.

“I secure this camp to make sure everybody’s okay and make sure things do not get deescalated [sic] to the point where they have to call APD because APD is completely corrupted,” English said.

During the interview with English, a man with a machete came up, asking English if she wanted the KXAN News crew there. The man said to the news crew that he was part of the encampment’s security detail.

Those trading off shifts can often be seen wearing a vest, carrying one or more knives and using walkie talkies.

KXAN has reached out to APD, asking whether officers are aware of the group organizing its own detail. KXAN has also asked APD at what point it would consider that a threat to public safety and if that would result in officers clearing out the encampment ahead of the July deadline.

 

 

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homeless-campers-around-city-hall-form-their-own-armed-security-detail/

Good News!  we can cross "cost of security" off the list for homeless locations as they can provide their own.

[Deej 76,791]

I think we should toss about three dozen rabid raccoons into their camp during the middle of the night.