Austin Homeless Free for All Ordinance

[Bevo 13,929]

2 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

maybe i'm underestimating the mess-  seems like a 2 person crew could easily clean 2 underpasses a day.  even after dumping fees they'd each clear $500 a day.

Hazmat (hazardous materials). Bleach and other stuff needs to be used to clean up the feces.

[gsoda3 3,363]

8 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Hazmat (hazardous materials). Bleach and other stuff needs to be used to clean up the feces.

sharps container and a downstream pressure washer for needles and cleaning. how do you dispose of human fecal matter, can you not just throw it into a dumpster?  

[Wally Pryor 5,413]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

in other news. we're spending $390K cleaning up after these model, tax paying citizens. 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homeless/city-spending-390000-annually-to-clean-underneath-overpasses-in-austin/269-6219cf54-73a1-4f84-903c-070a37c3e2d3

Meh, there's $64,000,000 in the new city budget allocated to homeless issues so plenty of fat still left.   

[MAUFRAIS 6,746]

sharps container and a downstream pressure washer for needles and cleaning. how do you dispose of human fecal matter, can you not just throw it into a dumpster?  

They could register for diaper genies.

[crash_davis 23,470]

16 minutes ago, Wally Pryor said:

Meh, there's $64,000,000 in the new city budget allocated to homeless issues so plenty of fat still left.   

if i have a homeless guy shit on my front yard once a week, can i get the city to clean it up and mow the grass on a weekly basis? what's $25 a week compared to $64M budget?

[GringoSalado 1,654]

Somebody hasn't been keeping tabs on COA RFPs.

[Guest Lobo]

Our financial reporting mechanisms are beyond unethical.  Went down the road about a year ago of compiling a record and requesting whistleblower protection.  Then we had our second baby and I just stopped giving a fuck.  You wouldn’t Believe we and our investment banks tell the credit reporting agencies.  We are a B+ operation, at best, not AAA   But grifters gonna grift. 

Edited October 18, 2019 by Lobo

[hookem17 485]

 

[crash_davis 23,470]

lulz.  fuck you city council for making me cheer on abbott.  what a clusterfuck.

[ChickenSandwich 9,986]

3 hours ago, Wally Pryor said:

Meh, there's $64,000,000 in the new city budget allocated to homeless issues so plenty of fat still left.   

Up form $40, 000,000.  Its the reason the Mayor created the "crisis".  Got to have a reason to keep gouging property taxes and pay your friends off.  Wait till we add another $20,000,000 to fight climate change.  It's all a fucking sham

[Armybrat 41,451]

4 hours ago, crash_davis said:

lulz.  fuck you city council for making me cheer on abbott.  what a clusterfuck.

Sorry, but I did have to laugh.

[atomheartbevo 90,682]

7 hours ago, hookem17 said:

 

I'm sure the DPS troopers are going to love that, and what highways will they not be patrolling on while they are clearing out homeless camps?

[Bozo_Casanova 26,911]

TXDOT were actually doing it before, then they stopped. Abbot basically threatened the city with going back to providing and paying for services the state provided before.

Don’t throw us in the briar patch, gov!

 

 

[drt 647]

They were doing it once every 6 months or so, rather than the once a month or whatever it is they have to do now. 

[Lhorn 5,098]

Homeless people cleaning up after themselves using purple trash bags ain’t cutting it?

[TKthunder2 5,060]

Just drove by a sizable camp at Spicewood and 183, and there is a very noticeable increase in trash all around the highway.

[Armybrat 41,451]

Some dude recently pitched his tent right next to the turnaround lane on the east side of 620/183 under the 45 flyover. Trash was all around.

That spot has never had any trash before. Thanks, Adler.

[52-80 19,377]

Can't you just dispense some wolverines to take care of the homeless, and goats to take care of their mess?  I heard them things will graze on anything.

 

And far cheaper than what's proposed.

[crash_davis 23,470]

19 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Can't you just dispense some wolverines to take care of the homeless, and goats to take care of their mess?  I heard them things will graze on anything.

 

And far cheaper than what's proposed.

$64M buys a lot of wolverines and goats.

[Armybrat 41,451]

[friends of]Depends on whom you buy them from[/Adler]

[hayden_horn 11,403]

On 10/15/2019 at 10:27 PM, Lobo said:

Chief Manley indicated that both violent crime and property crime, in the emphasized areas, have increased 10-20% since the ordinance shift.  I'll get some flack for reporting this but it's a fucking press conference line item that is easy to google.  But your fucking idiot asses will refuse to do so.  I'll get the link.  But that's not the point, the point is what I and others have on this thread have been advocating for.  

well, we have to take some of that with a grain of salt.

i would argue that it's possible that more crime has been revealed, but when the homeless had to live in the woods, if two guys get in a fight, the result is they both lose, but neither is arrested...when that happens under ben white on manchaca, someone calls the cops, and those two dudes go downtown.

[Armybrat 41,451]

Too bad my South Austin firefighter nephew doesn’t post here. He could tell literally hundreds of stories about the crap he and his AFD colleagues have to put up with at those bum camps. He has been on the front line dealing with those types for at least a decade. Of course if he did, he would have all kinds of shade thrown at him by the homeless advocates and probably get fired by Adler.

[housious 468]

On 10/18/2019 at 10:43 AM, gsoda3 said:

hang on, they clean 60 overpasses once a month and get paid $32,500 / month for it?? is there anything else they're contractually obligated to clean?  because that is RIDICULOUS.  

Have to disagree here. Not only does that seem fair, I think that's a bargain. 

[Deej 77,894]

Yeah, roughly $550 an overpass seems pretty reasonable.

[next2naus 439]

On 10/2/2019 at 4:48 PM, Iconoclast Texan said:

This isn't NY or CA. Banning fracking in any city in TX is fucking stupid. Prohibiting bags is an unnecessary imposition on consumers and retailers. Thankfully the leg in this state has show the will to intercede and will hopefully be a deterrent from a city from thinking they can pass a plastic straw ban or some other joke of a law.

How exactly is banning bags an imposition?

 

 

ok, no matter what you say, you are wrong. I live in a county that has sort of banned them, 5 cents a bag. people bring their own to shops or they say "fuck it" and eat the nickel. less bags are used and that leads to less bags in the environment (not like these things really get recycled)

[Guest Lobo]

Okay, well if we should ban plastic bags again in austin, how do you propose council addresses the purple plastic bag self cleanup model?  Your brilliant solution involves homeless folks with no spare cash nor spare nylon bags cleaning in their own trash so you can feel better about walking into Whole Foods with our own reusable bag or buying one for a few bucks. 
 

you realize that no part of your feel good progressive idea had any merit whatsoever?   It’s just one impossibly shitty step after another.   But kudos for winning your HOA “who gives more of a hollow damn” completion this month.  

[Texas Jeff 1,999]

On 10/18/2019 at 2:49 PM, ChickenSandwich said:

Up form $40, 000,000.  Its the reason the Mayor created the "crisis".  Got to have a reason to keep gouging property taxes and pay your friends off.  Wait till we add another $20,000,000 to fight climate change.  It's all a fucking sham

I think they maxed out the tax rate this year because they know they are capped at a lower percentage increase starting next year.  By maxing out the rate increase this year, they raised more revenue than they needed.  The "surplus" ended up as a one-time resource to use on the homeless.

Stuff will hit the fan over the next few years as the tax rate increases are slowed by the new legislation.  Either city programs are going to fight each other for funding and/or we are going to have elections to raise the tax rate beyond the new legislation's limits.

 

[ChickenSandwich 9,986]

We need an income tax and get rid of property taxes. 

[Dbeasy 15,613]

We need an income tax and get rid of property taxes. 

Why?

[Armybrat 41,451]

53 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

We need an income tax and get rid of property taxes. 

With all due respect, but you made me  Lolololololololololololol

As if any state with an income tax has ever done away with property taxes.
That is NOT how politicians work, especially if the State turns democrat. /cr

 

[workswithseed 2,205]

6 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

We need an income tax and get rid of property taxes. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,911]

7 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

We need an income tax and get rid of property taxes. 

I oppose a state income tax, but I could theoretically support a limited income tax for those moving into the state for their first three years of residence.

Edited October 22, 2019 by Bozo_Casanova

[Armybrat 41,451]

You might have something there as long as it is restricted to West & East Coasters.... and Sooners.

[3adays 454]

Recall Adler and 5 Council members PAC created. 

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/new-pac-created-to-recall-mayor-adler-and-5-members-of-city-council/?utm_source=abj&utm_medium=site&utm_campaign=abj-partner

Any chance this gains steam? Getting 100K signatures against Adler seems like a cake walk. 

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by 3adays

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, I'm curious who all is behind that PAC.  It's not as easy to tell as you'd think.  And they're lumping in a curious blend of elected officials.  It's not the band of usual suspects.  This is all kinds of odd.  

[Armybrat 41,451]

10 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Yeah, I'm curious who all is behind that PAC.  It's not as easy to tell as you'd think.  And they're lumping in a curious blend of elected officials.  It's not the band of usual suspects.  This is all kinds of odd.  

Epstein?

[Guest Lobo]

Juan's Mother?  

[Bevo 13,929]

22 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Epstein?

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,911]

Yeah, I'm curious who all is behind that PAC.  It's not as easy to tell as you'd think.  And they're lumping in a curious blend of elected officials.  It's not the band of usual suspects.  This is all kinds of odd.  

Sharon Blythe is behind it and she’s a real strange character. You can google her.

She’s Austin’s one and only cemetery gadfly. Very specifically focused on Austin Memorial Park. Like she cares about it a lot. Can be just extraordinarily mean on a personal level. Until today I had no idea her interests went beyond cemeteries. She’s probably been coopted by the Pool faction. No telling what she’s up to.

[Bevo 13,929]

So you are saying the homeless are camping out in cemeteries and desecrating graves?

[Bozo_Casanova 26,911]

The strangest thing to me is that she doesn’t have Jimmy Flanagan or Casar in her sights on this. I’m thinking now that she’s unlikely to be pushed by the Pool faction, because they like Tovo and Kitchen. Maybe Laura Pressley and Dons Z?

It’s a very odd set of members. But Sharon Blythe gonna Sharon Blythe I guess.

 

 

[CooterBrown 18,289]

Sharon Blythe is behind it and she’s a real strange character. You can google her.
She’s Austin’s one and only cemetery gadfly. Very specifically focused on Austin Memorial Park. Like she cares about it a lot. Can be just extraordinarily mean on a personal level. Until today I had no idea her interests went beyond cemeteries. She’s probably been coopted by the Pool faction. No telling what she’s up to.

A quick google shows she’s a native Oklahoman. Explains so much.

[Bevo 13,929]

Some pretty famous people are buried in the cemetary. It would be a shame if homeless people were camping out there, peeing and pooping on the premises. Certainly people would be surly if they had loved ones there. Of course, it is against the law to deface grave sites, but if the law isn't going to be enforced then I would think the next step would be to go after the people who are keeping the law from being enforced.

[crash_davis 23,470]

i don't see homeless people camping around cemeteries. ghost and spirits don't take kindly to humans acting like wild animals shitting on the grounds. i know, i talk to them.

[Guest Lobo]

Which is literally the first sign on the kind of mental illness that leads to homelessness.   Real high level, I gotta get that.  

[chitwood 155]

8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The strangest thing to me is that she doesn’t have Jimmy Flanagan or Casar in her sights on this. I’m thinking now that she’s unlikely to be pushed by the Pool faction, because they like Tovo and Kitchen. Maybe Laura Pressley and Dons Z?

It’s a very odd set of members. But Sharon Blythe gonna Sharon Blythe I guess.

 

 

It's all the council members who aren't up for reelection in 2020.

[Armybrat 41,451]

Oh, the ones who don’t give a shit what the citizens think about them or the crazy corrupt crap they pull on their way out?

[Bozo_Casanova 26,911]

44 minutes ago, chitwood said:

It's all the council members who aren't up for reelection in 2020.

Yeah, that's what she told community impact and I get it, but I'm thinking more about what that indicates about who's behind the effort. She says the recall effort is related to "the land development code, the city’s homelessness challenges and the city’s spending". That's a pretty strong tell. 

[skittlebrau 474]

12 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The strangest thing to me is that she doesn’t have Jimmy Flanagan or Casar in her sights on this. I’m thinking now that she’s unlikely to be pushed by the Pool faction, because they like Tovo and Kitchen. Maybe Laura Pressley and Dons Z?

It’s a very odd set of members. But Sharon Blythe gonna Sharon Blythe I guess.

 

 

Definitely Don Z. And Bobby Epstein.

[Pasken 1,312]

3 minutes ago, skittlebrau said:

Definitely Don Z. And Bobby Epstein.

Ugh. Isn't Zimmerman running for the Tx House?