Austin Homeless Free for All Ordinance

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

13 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Beats Lubbock

I know these things.  I was born in Lubbock.   Quite the pedigree.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I know these things.  I was born in Lubbock.   Quite the pedigree.  

That whole discussion had me humming the London Homesick Blues.

I (don't) wanna be homeless in Amarillo

The wind blows the cold cowshit from Archer City to Abilene

The ugliest women and the poachingist coaches you ever seen.

[Nonbryan 176]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Just early voting.  You may vote on Saturday, 1 May.  From 7:00a-7:00p-CDT.  

104,000 people voted early this past week.  That does not bode well for Steve Adler, Casar, and the pack of fucksticks.  

Does anyone know if they count and have early results from the early voting?  Does someone behind the scenes know where this stands as of the final early votes?

[Bevo 13897]

32 minutes ago, Nonbryan said:

Does anyone know if they count and have early results from the early voting? 

That would be against the law.

[Armybrat 41408]

51 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I know these things.  I was born in Lubbock.   Quite the pedigree.  

My granddaughter has lived there for 8 years. She and her husband (a local guy) seem to like it. 
😑

[Cajun 11777]

3 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Fify

History has repeated itself in Austin and there is no reason to believe anything has changed in that regard.

Yep.  It's not important who votes, but who counts the votes.

Pretending otherwise is, well, just pretending.

"Let's reimagine the results!"

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

My granddaughter has lived there for 8 years. She and her husband (a local guy) seem to like it. 
😑

Maybe he’ll pull a Chris Beard...

[Guest Lobo]

40 minutes ago, Nonbryan said:

Does anyone know if they count and have early results from the early voting?  Does someone behind the scenes know where this stands as of the final early votes?

This is as close as you can get:

https://countyclerk.traviscountytx.gov/images/pdfs/election_results/2021.05.01/L21_Daily_Totals_04272021.pdf

Some of those places have high turnout because school district elections, but not many.  Most are seeing high turnouts like that because of Prop B (I doubt anyone is rushing out there because of the hot 11-district topic).  It won't fix homelessness, and Council will drag their feet to enforce it, but it's going to pass 58-42.  

It could do this whacky thing like get us to focus on preventing root causes of homelessness, but there's no grift in that.  

What's funny to me is I can already tell you which council members will call into question the validity of the election (ballot language, enforcement, the date on which it was held instead of in November with higher turnout, voter suppression in certain areas, certain tactics used to boost turnout in other areas, etc.).  The same people telling Texans to shut up and accept the 2020 Presidential Election results (and I agree) will spend weeks, and months, bitching and moaning about this Prop B vote.  

[Murfdogg21 4563]

I hope you’re correct. My left leaning friends on social media have been incredibly vocal against Prop B and encouraging everyone to “go vote and bring 3 friends with you! Together we can defeat this facist threat!!!” The moderates have been largely silent on the issue. 
 

 

 

[mchookem 16769]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

 One day, one of those guys (fucked up out of his mind) went all the way into the back sliding door of a woman at home during the day with her baby while older kid and husband were off at school.  Freaked the fuck out of her obviously and she probably would have shot him (home had multiple weapons) but for a yard crew that noticed the guy and knocked on her door to help.  Homeless dude ended up running away.  The next weekend, that husband put a posse together to go walk to that encampment and kick those guys out.  And it worked.  But that was a different time.  

 

it sure was lol

 

[washparkhorn 9973]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

The next weekend, that husband put a posse together to go walk to that encampment and kick those guys out.

. . . and now you know, the rest of the story. 

Good day!

Edited April 28, 2021 by washparkhorn

[Guest Lobo]

Come to think of it, they were in the woods for a really long time.  It's surprisingly dense back there despite being so close to the access road.

[justhookit 4206]

5 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Pretty sure he’s referring to our housing affordability issue and the inability to change zoning or build transportation infrastructure to deal with it.  There’s a point where lower paid service workers can’t afford to live here and won’t be willing to put in the brutal commute.  You can look at Port Aransas to see that on a smaller scale.   People who work at restaurants and hotels and grocery stores can’t afford to live there, and don’t want to drive from Corpus or Refugio to work there.  Sooner or later that group will include teachers, cops and firefighters.  

Yup. The growth here is beyond out of control.

I’d say well over 2/3 of our service workers live in Aransas Pass and Corpus. Shockingly though after 10+ years of talking about the problem we are finally doing something about it. Huge apartment complex is going up on 361 about where the Hurricane Harvey dump was. We will need another one and a bunch of other stuff but it’s a good start. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

1 minute ago, justhookit said:

Yup. The growth here is beyond out of control.

I’d say well over 2/3 of our service workers live in Aransas Pass and Corpus. Shockingly though after 10+ years of talking about the problem we are finally doing something about it. Huge apartment complex is going up on 361 about where the Hurricane Harvey dump was. We will need another one and a bunch of other stuff but it’s a good start. 

Yeah, the point I was making is there is no efficient way to get there, as a low-paid employee.  Wait in line for the ferry, or drive your wages away coming from the city.  Glad that they are at least looking at apartments and such.

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

2 hours ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

That whole discussion had me humming the London Homesick Blues.

I (don't) wanna be homeless in Amarillo

The wind blows the cold cowshit from Archer City to Abilene

The ugliest women and the poachingist coaches you ever seen.

You owe me a new keyboard

[Cajun 11777]

1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

I hope you’re correct. My left leaning friends on social media have been incredibly vocal against Prop B and encouraging everyone to “go vote and bring 3 friends with you! Together we can defeat this facist threat!!!” The moderates have been largely silent on the issue. 
 

 

 

Gee, I wonder why?

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

I hope you’re correct. My left leaning friends on social media have been incredibly vocal against Prop B and encouraging everyone to “go vote and bring 3 friends with you! Together we can defeat this facist threat!!!” The moderates have been largely silent on the issue. 
 

 

 

I think they are voting for it. Harvey Milk once said something about this “whoever can solve the dog shit problem can be elected mayor." 

I see prop B as a version of that. It deals with a problem people see and experience every day in a way that promises an outcome that's very easy to understand. People in general respond to clear, tangible things, and moderates respond better than people in general. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems extraordinarily likely given the older demographics of may elections that Prop B will pass by a wide margin. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

1 hour ago, justhookit said:

Yup. The growth here is beyond out of control.

I’d say well over 2/3 of our service workers live in Aransas Pass and Corpus. Shockingly though after 10+ years of talking about the problem we are finally doing something about it. Huge apartment complex is going up on 361 about where the Hurricane Harvey dump was. We will need another one and a bunch of other stuff but it’s a good start. 

I won't pretend I have any answers, because I don't.  But strictly economically speaking, if we fix the "border crisis" everyone seems so dead set on fixing, good luck finding someone to push that laundry cart down the hallway of the Holiday Inn, or hang sheetrock at Cinnamon Shores.  That's just too soul-crushing of a job to expect Joe Bob to do at $7.35 an hour.

[Guest Lobo]

We've been heavily on the operations side of numerous investments in Texas in O&G, Multi-Family real estate, trucking, and banking.  And in 15 years, I haven't heard from one employee (directly or indirectly) who thought their job was being taken by an immigrant (documented or undocumented).  Now plenty of them have said "Immigrants are taking our jobs!"  But apparently, they meant the Royal "We/Our/Us" the whole time.  Sure it's somewhat anecdotal.  And in 10 years sitting in the Austin Chamber of Commerce and Texas Association of Business board rooms, haven't heard direct evidence of immigrants taking jobs that white people were clinging to.  Even the right-leaning, anti-immigrant Texas Business Leadership Council has been 100% silent on specifics when it comes to Immigrants takin' Texan jobs.  

Don't even conflate cost of living with cost of doing business.  One has nothing to do with immigrants, the other has lots to do.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

21 minutes ago, Lobo said:

We've been heavily on the operations side of numerous investments in Texas in O&G, Multi-Family real estate, trucking, and banking.  And in 15 years, I haven't heard from one employee (directly or indirectly) who thought their job was being taken by an immigrant (documented or undocumented).  Now plenty of them have said "Immigrants are taking our jobs!"  But apparently, they meant the Royal "We/Our/Us" the whole time.  Sure it's somewhat anecdotal.  And in 10 years sitting in the Austin Chamber of Commerce and Texas Association of Business board rooms, haven't heard direct evidence of immigrants taking jobs that white people were clinging to.  Even the right-leaning, anti-immigrant Texas Business Leadership Council has been 100% silent on specifics when it comes to Immigrants takin' Texan jobs.  

Don't even conflate cost of living with cost of doing business.  One has nothing to do with immigrants, the other has lots to do.  

But Lobo, if we put Gina in its place, and fix the immigrant problem, then....   a LuAnn platter (oh wait they're bankrupt), a burger at Chili's is going to cost $27.95!  I'll have to take out a mortgage to buy a pack of socks!  

Edited April 28, 2021 by Judge Roybeanbag

[Wulaw Horn 19595]

31 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I won't pretend I have any answers, because I don't.  But strictly economically speaking, if we fix the "border crisis" everyone seems so dead set on fixing, good luck finding someone to push that laundry cart down the hallway of the Holiday Inn, or hang sheetrock at Cinnamon Shores.  That's just too soul-crushing of a job to expect Joe Bob to do at $7.35 an hour.

Which would be a good thing. Raise wages for the working poor. Make them less working poor and more working class. That shit needs to be done regardless. Might as well make it a decent paying job at honest wages due to market forces. 

[crash_davis 23470]

2 hours ago, Murfdogg21 said:

The moderates have been largely silent on the issue. 

Moderates usually are silent. The extreme shit on the left and the right makes them roll eyes letting their votes speak for them.

My daughters and their friends at UTexas are very firmly left of center. But they are voting for Prop B because they "don't want to be killed by a homeless dude". One of my daughters was harassed and chased by two homeless dudes one night walking through campus to her car. She's sympathetic to their plight but hates them. Getting the shit scared out of you will do that.

[mchookem 16769]

"as your safety decreases so does your compassion"

[Guest Lobo]

FWIW------If Covid-19 wasn't going on right now and campus was back at full capacity, there'd be so many more crimes committed by homeless people against students (mostly female).  As it stands, campus is skeleton attendance and as such there's only a handful of homeless roaming campus proper/east side/west campus.  You'd have 15,000 students/staff voting for Prop B if school was in full swing right now...despite most undergrads having great compassion for the plight of the homeless.  But we'll probably see only a few thousand students/staff vote if that many.  

I was working in the AT&T courtyard the other day.  That's not an easy place to just wander into if you're homeless.  You have to walk to a pretty quiet corner of campus and then through multiple sets of doors (most of which are key-coded and then an elevator in some cases).  Homeless guy wanders up to me and he has this piece of paper which has the looks of having been crumpled in the trash very recently.  He asks me where he can find Professor XYZ.  I know the guy he's talking about but I play dumb.  Guy wanders off to keep just walking the halls of those classrooms downstairs.  Finally security gets him to leave and they ask me about him.  I don't want the guy arrested but he had the look in his eye like he wasn't gonna stop until he found this one particular professor because the idea got stuck in his head while rummaging through trash.  So nothing happened thankfully.  But it was school in full swing, that guy is the type that would follow some female students back to their dorms/apartments continually asking them, "So do you know where I can find this Professor?  Huh?  Can you help me out?"  There's panhandling at the stoplight and then there's roaming campus.  I have a cute smile, but if that guy would bother me or the security guard that much knowing we can handle ourselves or get cops there soon, I can only imagine how bold he'd be around 19 year old girls.  

[crash_davis 23470]

2nd week of school in September, somehow a homeless dude gets into the Castillian dorm up to one of the upper residence floors. Daughter's friend gets off the elevator by herself, walks to her dorm and sees a homeless dude at the end of hall walking down the hallway looking into door viewfinders. He sees her and starts walking towards her mumbling some shit. She runs into her room and closes door in time. Homeless dude keeps banging on the door yelling shit. She freaks out. Calls parents. Homeless dude finally leaves and security catches up with him to escort him out of the building.

Parents freak the fuck out to Castillian management. Never heard what came of it.

Yea, fuck the homeless.

[Cajun 11777]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

I won't pretend I have any answers, because I don't.  But strictly economically speaking, if we fix the "border crisis" everyone seems so dead set on fixing, good luck finding someone to push that laundry cart down the hallway of the Holiday Inn, or hang sheetrock at Cinnamon Shores.  That's just too soul-crushing of a job to expect Joe Bob to do at $7.35 an hour.

Um, just come to San Antonio and raid our coffers.  Plenty here to cover half the country doing the work you describe.  Got a neighbor down the street with an entire family living in his garage apartment.  Out there working, raking, fixing his car, etc every damned day.  Probably lets them slaughter a goat in the back yard and hands them an onion as weekly pay.

[phdhorn 6225]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

Moderates usually are silent. The extreme shit on the left and the right makes them roll eyes letting their votes speak for them.

My daughters and their friends at UTexas are very firmly left of center. But they are voting for Prop B because they "don't want to be killed by a homeless dude". One of my daughters was harassed and chased by two homeless dudes one night walking through campus to her car. She's sympathetic to their plight but hates them. Getting the shit scared out of you will do that.

[dcar00 14972]

25 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Um, just come to San Antonio and raid our coffers.  Plenty here to cover half the country doing the work you describe.  Got a neighbor down the street with an entire family living in his garage apartment.  Out there working, raking, fixing his car, etc every damned day.  Probably lets them slaughter a goat in the back yard and hands them an onion as weekly pay.

unless its better for them not to work.

[Cajun 11777]

Yeah, and that.  The ones around my hood here in the '09 seem to not be allergic to trabajo.

[Enchubben 5600]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

2nd week of school in September, somehow a homeless dude gets into the Castillian dorm up to one of the upper residence floors. Daughter's friend gets off the elevator by herself, walks to her dorm and sees a homeless dude at the end of hall walking down the hallway looking into door viewfinders. He sees her and starts walking towards her mumbling some shit. She runs into her room and closes door in time. Homeless dude keeps banging on the door yelling shit. She freaks out. Calls parents. Homeless dude finally leaves and security catches up with him to escort him out of the building.

Parents freak the fuck out to Castillian management. Never heard what came of it.

Yea, fuck the homeless.

Pics of daughter and friend?

[Deej 77830]

7 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Yep. I’m a pacifist more or less

 

[phdhorn 6225]

4 minutes ago, Deej said:

 

↑ Temporary neurosis.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

unless its better for them not to work.

That was kinda my point.  It’s not mostly immigrants sitting around collecting government checks.  

[Cajun 11777]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

 

 

[lmao 178]

10 hours ago, Lobo said:

Freaked the fuck out of her obviously and she probably would  next weekend, that husband put a posse together to go walk to that encampment and kick those guys out.  And it worked.  But that was a different time.  

 

That guy and his crew would have been posted all over Twitter, doxxed, and fired within a week. 

[Guest Lobo]

not 12 years ago they wouldn't.  

[B00M 6734]

What about an air horn mounted to a drone... Or balloons full of piss from above? Once they retreat into the greenbelts en mass, how do we make that suck too? 

[crash_davis 23470]

Went to dinner with my freshman daughter tonight. She asked if I voted yet? Said yep. She says she's definitely going to vote for Prop B. Then she says, oh yea, I went to study last night with (some dude) at PCL. I walked by to the dorm (Nasty Casty) at 9:30pm. I walked through the Union area and there was a group of homeless guys who started yelling "Hey you got my pants on, take them off. Hey girl, come here. I've got something for you" and other stuff she couldn't understand. She's the one who was chased by the 2 homeless dudes coming out of Waller Creek the year before.

The University needs to do something about these fuckheads on campus. And fuck the ever living shit out of these homeless leeches motherfuckers.

[SKA the boss 729]

My wife (no pics) works on campus and has to park in a garage on San Gabriel. Last year, just before covid, she's standing on the corner at 24th and Guad waiting for the light when some crazy homeless guy comes down the drag muttering to himself. She eyes him all the way. He stops about twenty feet away and cold cocks some woman in the head from behind out of the clear blue. Keeps on walking. My wife stayed with this poor woman until the cops came. They basically said there wasn't shit they could do about it. He would just be out in 24 hours.

So many people have stories like this. Theft. Harassment. Assault. Shit. Public urination. Destruction of property. Arson. Almost ran over a drug addled cart pusher. Burglary. Trash. Trash. Trash. And so on. And so on.

Come on, Austin. Take your city back.

 

[Armybrat 41408]

7 hours ago, SKA the boss said:

My wife (no pics) works on campus and has to park in a garage on San Gabriel. Last year, just before covid, she's standing on the corner at 24th and Guad waiting for the light when some crazy homeless guy comes down the drag muttering to himself. She eyes him all the way. He stops about twenty feet away and cold cocks some woman in the head from behind out of the clear blue. Keeps on walking. My wife stayed with this poor woman until the cops came. They basically said there wasn't shit they could do about it. He would just be out in 24 hours.

So many people have stories like this. Theft. Harassment. Assault. Shit. Public urination. Destruction of property. Arson. Almost ran over a drug addled cart pusher. Burglary. Trash. Trash. Trash. And so on. And so on.

Come on, Austin. Take your city back.

 

Nothing to see here according to their advocates.

Hopefully the State will get the current expansion of the State Hospital & the other facilities done so those violent nutcases can be taken off the streets via involuntary commitment for treatment. Then the legislature should pass statewide camping laws and ban panhandling everywhere. That would be a good start.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Armybrat

[Snake Diggity 4714]

Despite the myriad causes of homelessness, “you can just camp wherever” is not a solution to any of them.

Violent: you go to jail

Mentally ill: you go to mental hospital

Addiction: you go to treatment facility

Poor: you get on welfare

Just want to live a nomadic life: you go to designated camping area

Im pretty liberal, so I’m all for additional resources for addressing those causes.  Allowing camping is not that.

[MAUFRAIS 6740]

i've never understood why UT doesn't beef up UTPD and make life very annoying for any homeless dudes between 29th, mlk, lamar and i35 stay outta malibu style.

while i'm at it, i don't understand why our landscaping isn't country club level.  like we've got more money than the fucking vatican or whatever, yet that fountain at the end of the east mall has been broken for a decade.

[Armybrat 41408]

Maybe because the Austin campus has been sharing so much of its PUF revenue with the rest of the UT System.... unlike another pretentious campus with its own minion offspring.

Just a guess though.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Armybrat

[MAUFRAIS 6740]

is that a fact?  is there somewhere to see the campus by campus budget breakdown of the ut system and the various cow milking training centers?

[dcar00 14972]

On 4/27/2021 at 10:37 PM, Michael Knight said:

Look at the big brain on this fucking moron

hurts when I expose exactly what you believe, don't it.

[Ghost of LL 15698]

9 hours ago, SKA the boss said:

My wife (no pics) works on campus and has to park in a garage on San Gabriel. Last year, just before covid, she's standing on the corner at 24th and Guad waiting for the light when some crazy homeless guy comes down the drag muttering to himself. She eyes him all the way. He stops about twenty feet away and cold cocks some woman in the head from behind out of the clear blue. Keeps on walking. My wife stayed with this poor woman until the cops came. They basically said there wasn't shit they could do about it. He would just be out in 24 hours.

So many people have stories like this. Theft. Harassment. Assault. Shit. Public urination. Destruction of property. Arson. Almost ran over a drug addled cart pusher. Burglary. Trash. Trash. Trash. And so on. And so on.

Come on, Austin. Take your city back.

 

I don't even regard this as a homeless problem.  That's a policing problem.

It really doesn't matter whether the perpetrator has a home or not. For all we know, he does have a permanent or semi-permanent place to live.  But that's not really germane to the issue.

The issue is that he committed a violent assault.  And the cops did absolutely nothing because . . . I don't know, paperwork?

And it's not like this is a rare occurrence.  We've seen at least a dozen of these stories on this thread, and I've heard a dozen more offline.  This is APD's modus operandi.  It's an absolutely broken fucking agency.  It can't be categorized as a "law-enforcement" agency because, fundamentally, it's not in the business of enforcing the law.

[Armybrat 41408]

9 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said:

is that a fact?  is there somewhere to see the campus by campus budget breakdown of the ut system and the various cow milking training centers?

As I said, just a guess.

[BurdineBandit 846]

6 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I don't even regard this as a homeless problem.  That's a policing problem.

It really doesn't matter whether the perpetrator has a home or not. For all we know, he does have a permanent or semi-permanent place to live.  But that's not really germane to the issue.

The issue is that he committed a violent assault.  And the cops did absolutely nothing because . . . I don't know, paperwork?

And it's not like this is a rare occurrence.  We've seen at least a dozen of these stories on this thread, and I've heard a dozen more offline.  This is APD's modus operandi.  It's an absolutely broken fucking agency.  It can't be categorized as a "law-enforcement" agency because, fundamentally, it's not in the business of enforcing the law.

This was my thought. Sounds like assault is assault to me. What does that have to do with homelessness, or city government/council or policy? He punched a woman in the back of the head.

[Armybrat 41408]

If the perp is violently mentally ill, he should be institutionalized.

What happened to the process of involuntary commitments?

[MAUFRAIS 6740]

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2013/10/23/community-mental-health-kennedy