Austin Homeless Free for All Ordinance

[dcar00 14971]

good news is we are moving from camping to tenting.  everyone has used a tent before, what is wrong with tents?  why the hate for tents?

[dcar00 14971]

and the AOC that took money shots at the border in her nice white outfit at a fence looking longingly at a parking lot 2 years ago but now couldn't be bothered to go down there for pictures when there is an actual crisis. give me a break.

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

21 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Casar is the prototypical central casting "community organizer" who has never done a thing other than activism.  I don't trust Wikipedia, but this looks pretty accurate about him from what I've read:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Casar

Well I know him a little personally and seen him at work when he’s not in public, and although I disagree with him on very many things he’s done more to help actual people in actual moments of crisis with no cameras present than anyone else in elected office in Travis county, or you or me.
You don’t have to like it and neither do I, he walks the talk. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Bozo_Casanova

[DalTxHornFan 3130]

3 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Well I know him a little personally and seen him at work when he’s not in public, and although I disagree with him on very many things he’s done more to help actual people in actual moments of crisis with no cameras present than anyone else in elected office in Travis county, or you or me.
You don’t have to like it and neither do I, he walks the talk. 

We have common ground -- almost all politicians are worthless!

[Burt 4137]

 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Burt

[atomheartbevo 90650]

If I wanted to generate votes in favor of the campaign ban, I would have paid some homeless folks a few hundred bucks to camp in the parking lot of Bartholomew Pool. That would be good for hundreds of votes alone.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

20 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Adler is getting absolutely hammered on his Twitter thread after the post that Bozo_Casanova posted above:

 

A “real opportunity” lolz. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

26 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

good news is we are moving from camping to tenting.  everyone has used a tent before, what is wrong with tents?  why the hate for tents?

You know, like when you sit down in khakis and it looks like you have a boner. Everyone hates tenting.

[Deej 77826]

38 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You know, like when you sit down in khakis and it looks like you have a boner. Everyone hates tenting.

 

[atomheartbevo 90650]

51 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If I wanted to generate votes in favor of the campaign ban, I would have paid some homeless folks a few hundred bucks to camp in the parking lot of Bartholomew Pool. That would be good for hundreds of votes alone.  

Camping ban.  Camping ban. It's late.

[Willfully Horn 8264]

1 hour ago, DalTxHornFan said:

Casar is the prototypical central casting "community organizer" who has never done a thing other than activism.  

What’s wrong with activism? Sounds to me like he lives his life thinking about the welfare of others. Same thing a Jesuit education tries to instill in students. Even in Dallas. 

[atomheartbevo 90650]

10 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

What’s wrong with activism? Sounds to me like he lives his life thinking about the welfare of others. Same thing a Jesuit education tries to instill in students. Even in Dallas. 

My wife goes to a Baptist church.  Quite a few are not fond of the homeless, and they look down upon them.  

But then there is another chunk of the church membership that is constantly rounding up socks, underwear, toiletries, dried foods, etc. and passing them out to the homeless at their "ministry under the bridge" or whatever.

It's really fucking weird, and a few times the pastor....hasn't quite shamed the first group, but he's made it clear they should doing a little more.

[BurntOrange&White 41864]

On 4/29/2021 at 10:36 PM, David Dennison said:

Every successful solution to homelessness seems to involve moving those experiencing homelessness into a form of permanent housing and providing them access to health and child care.

Some people want no part of that because it involves taxpayer money.

You can’t help people who don’t want to be helped. 
 

ban panhandling 

ban camping

ban sleeping in public place

fuck giving them something in return, any aid such as housing/health care is just a beacon for more to come. 
 

reality is nothing will fix homelessness. Just hope they go out of sight. 

[Cajun 11777]

2 hours ago, dcar00 said:

yes Casar is the mastermind behind the camping fiasco and a socialist/communist.

edit and its fine if you support him.  I don't. but he's not my councilman so it doesn't really matter.

Casar is a pos freak show member.  Nothing more.

[Willfully Horn 8264]

13 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

You can’t help people who don’t want to be helped. 
 

ban panhandling 

ban camping

ban sleeping in public place

fuck giving them something in return, any aid such as housing/health care is just a beacon for more to come. 
 

reality is nothing will fix homelessness. Just hope they go out of sight. 

That isn’t true, apparently.

https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/proven-solutions/

 

From the state of Texas:

”Numerous studies of urban systems across the United States show that when high‐cost individuals obtain housing, their use of public resources declines dramatically.2 Rates of arrest fall; emergency room use plummets; individuals attain employment; disabling conditions stabilize. On any individual’s path towards maximum independence, obtaining a stable place of residence is a fundamental step.”

https://www.tdhca.state.tx.us/tich/docs/12-AnnualReport-PathwaysHome.pdf

 

A deeper dive:

https://www.usich.gov/resources/uploads/asset_library/Evidence-Behind-Approaches-That-End-Homelessness-Brief-2019.pdf

[Wally Pryor 5410]

5 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It’s funny to me that Lobo and Wally and the rest of y’all think that someone who puts out a statement this clueless is some kind of mastermind. Let’s all read this and laugh.

 

 

I've only said that Adler is wet rag, crooked as a $3 bill, has the competency of a house plant and the vision and leadership of a fence post. 

 

Mastermind?  Thinking you meant mindless.

 

[Biff Tannen 46166]

6 hours ago, dcar00 said:

and the AOC that took money shots at the border in her nice white outfit at a fence looking longingly at a parking lot 2 years ago but now couldn't be bothered to go down there for pictures when there is an actual crisis. give me a break.

It’s like our own little Fox News bot. 

[Biff Tannen 46166]

6 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You know, like when you sit down in khakis and it looks like you have a boner. Everyone hates tenting.

@PantsTent

[Armybrat 41408]

9 hours ago, Lobo said:

Fair point, my only pushback is that I would have been find with a strong mayor with Watson, Wynn, and Leffingwell.  But only with the benefit of hindsight and comparison.  Now that Stevie Shitbag Adler is in office, I'd like a mayor who is as weak as possible.  Not like in the way that Steve Adler is actually mentally, physically, spiritually, politically, and ethically weak.  But like weak, weak.  You know what?  It should be called the Mayor Adler rule?  For spineless, corrupt cowards who don't want to have to battle City Council.  Also he's an immoral fuckbag who I hope rots in jail.

Not a fan, eh?

[hornian 5294]

10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Sounds like A Modest Proposal 

Interestingly, the pro-B coalition is demographically almost identical to the anti-Uber coalition. 

 

[Cajun 11777]

2 hours ago, Wally Pryor said:

 

 

I've only said that Adler is wet rag, crooked as a $3 bill, has the competency of a house plant and the vision and leadership of a fence post. 

 

Mastermind?  Thinking you meant mindless.

 

Wonder what all their real estate cut was supposed to be?

[Armybrat 41408]

The usual skim rate for the Family is anywhere from 10%-25%. amirite?

[KYHorn 17615]

Anyone have an article that explains why so many call Adler a grifter? I don't live in Austin so I haven't been following it very closely.

[Steel Shank 9556]

8 hours ago, dcar00 said:

good news is we are moving from camping to tenting.  everyone has used a tent before, what is wrong with tents?  why the hate for tents?

Some of my best friends are tents.

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

28 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

Anyone have an article that explains why so many call Adler a grifter? I don't live in Austin so I haven't been following it very closely.

 

to the courtesy phone please. 

[Cajun 11777]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

Anyone have an article that explains why so many call Adler a grifter? I don't live in Austin so I haven't been following it very closely.

ATX media are grifter enablers, so no, there's no "article" that I'm aware of.

[WBT 20978]

Seems appropriate today

 

[Armybrat 41408]

15 minutes ago, Cajun said:

ATX media are grifter enablers, so no, there's no "article" that I'm aware of.

I have already posted why the Austin media do not report on the city rulers’ corruption.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

So I’m curious what happens now?  Do the cops just go write them tickets?  Do the tent cities get confiscated?  I haven’t seen any detail on how this ban will play out, other than the poor APD guys that will have to deal with it.  Or not.  

[Murfdogg21 4563]

 

4 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

So I’m curious what happens now?  Do the cops just go write them tickets?  Do the tent cities get confiscated?  I haven’t seen any detail on how this ban will play out, other than the poor APD guys that will have to deal with it.  Or not.  

Tell them to move along by date TBD, then trash all their “belongings” and power wash/fire hose the areas?

[Judge Roybeanbag 11860]

5 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

 

Tell them to move along by date TBD, then trash all their “belongings” and power wash/fire hose the areas?

Yeah but who is gonna do all that?  And move along where?  Are we providing bus tickets?  I’m just asking questions, save Austin now should have the answers right?  

I was against lifting the camping ban in the first place, but I haven’t heard any of the politicos in favor of reinstating it say how they are actually going to enforce it.  That seems like an important part of the deal.

Edited May 2, 2021 by Judge Roybeanbag

[TKthunder2 5059]

4 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

So I’m curious what happens now?  Do the cops just go write them tickets?  Do the tent cities get confiscated?  I haven’t seen any detail on how this ban will play out, other than the poor APD guys that will have to deal with it.  Or not.  

My guess is they will go by and warn them along with some sort of assistance like transportation or maybe a social worker to help move them.  After a some time the police will come by and give them another warning and repeat as needed until they’ve documented they’ve received X # of warnings and on the next one they will be detained while their camp is removed.  DPS cleared all the underpasses a little over a year ago with little fanfare so obviously Austin will make this a shitshow.

[TKthunder2 5059]

20 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Yeah but who is gonna do all that?  And move along where?  Are we providing bus tickets?  I’m just asking questions, save Austin now should have the answers right?  

It’s not realistic to enact major policy changes with funding requirements from a citizen led proposition vote.  The city has had 2 years to make changes and they only purchased a few hotels that house less than 500 people.  This is the city’s failure not Save Austin Now...and no buying them bus tickets is not a real solution unless it sending them home to where they have family or other types of support.

 

edit: a citizen led proposition vote 

Edited May 2, 2021 by TKthunder2

[Nicole44 22315]

A lot of the current homeless population came here from somewhere else. Just like it rapidly increased when Adler put up the “Welcome” sign two years ago. Word travels fast in any community. 
 

What a clusterfuck. So many ways to have approached this better and just a fucking fail. 
 

it really doesn’t matter your personal politics on this one. What Adler did was beyond dumb. It wasn’t compassionate and it was not helping the most vulnerable members of our society. Instead of helping homeless Austinites first and having success at that the city chose to compound the problem by not only not solving that first but inviting more people to show up. Fuck Adler.

again, there are countless examples of cities who have success in this arena—following SF and Seattle was a dumb fuck move.

Like I said, for me it is not about politics. It’s about the solution and doing what works. Haven for Hope in San Antonio has been successful. We basically started a grease fire with this mess.

It pisses me off. 

[MAUFRAIS 6740]

Maybe it looked worse the last year because the library’s been closed?

[Guest Lobo]

Re; library closure---I didn't want to say anything, but some of our homeless population sounds less well-read than last year, too.  Kinda of embarrassing when I bring guests through downtown and nobody can recant Chomsky to us along the Trail. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Lobo

[Armybrat 41408]

25 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Re; library closure---I didn't want to say anything, but some of our homeless population sounds less well-read than last year, too.  Kinda of embarrassing when I bring guests through downtown and nobody can recant Chomsky to us along the Trail. 

But I’m sure they have a collection of P. krugman’s books & missives on the shelves in their tent libraries.

[Armybrat 41408]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Yeah but who is gonna do all that?  And move along where?  Are we providing bus tickets?  I’m just asking questions, save Austin now should have the answers right?  

I was against lifting the camping ban in the first place, but I haven’t heard any of the politicos in favor of reinstating it say how they are actually going to enforce it.  That seems like an important part of the deal.

Bus them all back to Kerrville?

[Armybrat 41408]

33 minutes ago, MAUFRAIS said:

Maybe it looked worse the last year because the library’s been closed?

At least the library’s air filtration system & restrooms have had a break.

[David Dennison 19542]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Yeah but who is gonna do all that?  And move along where?  Are we providing bus tickets?  I’m just asking questions, save Austin now should have the answers right?  

I was against lifting the camping ban in the first place, but I haven’t heard any of the politicos in favor of reinstating it say how they are actually going to enforce it.  That seems like an important part of the deal.

A whole lot of tickets that will never get paid.

[washparkhorn 9973]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Yeah but who is gonna do all that?  And move along where?  Are we providing bus tickets?  I’m just asking questions, save Austin now should have the answers right?  

I was against lifting the camping ban in the first place, but I haven’t heard any of the politicos in favor of reinstating it say how they are actually going to enforce it.  That seems like an important part of the deal.

There is a body of legal jurisprudence that requires the City to have shelter available before a criminal ticket may be issued.

I posted it upthread.

I assume that is one of the reasons the City acquired beds.

 

[washparkhorn 9973]

34 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

But I’m sure they have a collection of P. krugman’s books & missives on the shelves in their tent libraries.

Krugman and you share similar economic views on the powerless. I would substitute Joseph Stiglitz for Krugman. 

Have a blessed Sunday. 

Edited May 2, 2021 by washparkhorn
Joseph not Hugo Stiglitz

[phdhorn 6225]

23 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

What Adler did was beyond dumb. It wasn’t compassionate and it was not helping the most vulnerable members of our society. Instead of helping homeless Austinites first and having success at that the city chose to compound the problem by not only not solving that first but inviting more people to show up. Fuck Adler.

Y'know, Cabo Steve more or less rightly gets a lot of barfback on this, but "Li'l Casar" is the main culprit in this shitbag (now turbo-flushed) ordinance.  It was he in June 2019 who wanted to ramrod this thing through, despite some councilmembers' hesitancy, wanting to postpone the vote for at least 2-3 months to study more solutions. But Li'l Casar wouldn't have any of it.  He pushed it up for a vote, and in typical Casar fashion, pontificated while blaming it on leaders who, uh, had nothing to do with it in the first place. From Austin Chronicle, June 28, '19:

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2019-06-28/council-dials-back-laws-targeting-homeless/

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"A stain on my conscience."  Aww, how poetic.  Sounds like Fitlump from the other side of the aisle.  Sanctimonious crap.  You don't think like I think?  You are morally inferior to me!  Bow to my moral GREATNESS!  Blow it out your ass.  Anyway Adler's getting all the shit, but it was Casar who steamrolled this thing in and the only comment he has so far is a blah blah blah roto-tweet on "we all want to get people into homes."  Duh.  He needs to be called out onto the carpet, too.  Greggy, that's not why people shot your little prop down; it was because they're sick and tired of the dirt, repulsive manners (remember when Greggy said it'll all be good, y'know, because aggressive panhandling (and assaulting people) is still illegal, and y'know the police will serve justice!  (I had a good laugh at that one). 

But the biggest irony is the jackass that rammed this through and croaked about "needing to fix it" hasn't fixed shit.  And all he could muster is some halfass tweet in the face of burying his activist ideas into the shit that's found in many areas now in Austin.

And This from 2019, AAS:
https://www.statesman.com/news/20190621/city-council-rescinds-measures-that-critics-say-criminalize-homelessness

Again, Casar, sponsored this... While Adler went along for the love-ride.  Also, I love how he repeats the mantra at the time... "We haven't fixed everything yet."  Nor ever did.

My point is that Casar is a power-hungry faux saint - that his moral stances are the right ones, and there is no room for disagreement.  And if he has to shanghai the entire city to see his views manifest, well, that's just a product of the morally inferior either suffering necessarily to eventually make life fantastic, or the morally superior knowing how everyone else should act.  Even in this loss of his little experiment all he could muster was a clouded, self-egotistic filter which was another misrepresentation of why this idiotic ordinance went down in flames.  But he'll be back espousing another self-aggrandizing intolerant project soon, so he won't fail to deliver soon.

There are two kinds of homeless people:  those who need help and those who need a kick in the nuts.  I wish every day (especially when I drive by one of Casar's beautiful campsites) that both would get their just desserts.  But Casar did nothing, nothing with that dumbass ordinance except make himself feel better that his little utopian view of the world could happen.  And now its 10X worse than it ever was.  Casar for Mayor!!!

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

2 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

Y'know, Cabo Steve more or less rightly gets a lot of barfback on this, but "Li'l Casar" is the main culprit in this shitbag (now turbo-flushed) ordinance.  It was he in June 2019 who wanted to ramrod this thing through, despite some councilmembers' hesitancy, wanting to postpone the vote for at least 2-3 months to study more solutions. But Li'l Casar wouldn't have any of it.  He pushed it up for a vote, and in typical Casar fashion, pontificated while blaming it on leaders who, uh, had nothing to do with it in the first place. From Austin Chronicle, June 28, '19:

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2019-06-28/council-dials-back-laws-targeting-homeless/

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"A stain on my conscience."  Aww, how poetic.  Sounds like Fitlump from the other side of the aisle.  Sanctimonious crap.  You don't think like I think?  You are morally inferior to me!  Bow to my moral GREATNESS!  Blow it out your ass.  Anyway Adler's getting all the shit, but it was Casar who steamrolled this thing in and the only comment he has so far is a blah blah blah roto-tweet on "we all want to get people into homes."  Duh.  He needs to be called out onto the carpet, too.  Greggy, that's not why people shot your little prop down; it was because they're sick and tired of the dirt, repulsive manners (remember when Greggy said it'll all be good, y'know, because aggressive panhandling (and assaulting people) is still illegal, and y'know the police will serve justice!  (I had a good laugh at that one). 

But the biggest irony is the jackass that rammed this through and croaked about "needing to fix it" hasn't fixed shit.  And all he could muster is some halfass tweet in the face of burying his activist ideas into the shit that's found in many areas now in Austin.

And This from 2019, AAS:
https://www.statesman.com/news/20190621/city-council-rescinds-measures-that-critics-say-criminalize-homelessness

Again, Casar, sponsored this... While Adler went along for the love-ride.  Also, I love how he repeats the mantra at the time... "We haven't fixed everything yet."  Nor ever did.

My point is that Casar is a power-hungry faux saint - that his moral stances are the right ones, and there is no room for disagreement.  And if he has to shanghai the entire city to see his views manifest, well, that's just a product of the morally inferior either suffering necessarily to eventually make life fantastic, or the morally superior knowing how everyone else should act.  Even in this loss of his little experiment all he could muster was a clouded, self-egotistic filter which was another misrepresentation of why this idiotic ordinance went down in flames.  But he'll be back espousing another self-aggrandizing intolerant project soon, so he won't fail to deliver soon.

There are two kinds of homeless people:  those who need help and those who need a kick in the nuts.  I wish every day (especially when I drive by one of Casar's beautiful campsites) that both would get their just desserts.  But Casar did nothing, nothing with that dumbass ordinance except make himself feel better that his little utopian view of the world could happen.  And now its 10X worse than it ever was.  Casar for Mayor!!!

Is the same one who faked a hate crime against himself a while back?

[David Dennison 19542]

So now what?

[Nicole44 22315]

Austin’s tax paying residents did not have a vote when Asshat Adler and Caesar and the Austin City Council unilaterally made it lawful to camp in most public spaces 2 years ago. 
 

Adler and Caesar and their merry band of asshats ended a 23 year ban with zero solution in place. Homeless population in Austin has increased 45% since the ban was lifted.

Id wager most of us want to help these vulnerable citizens in the best possible most compassionate way. What he did was asinine. 
 

My friend’s hubby runs (poor choice of word) one of the largest public libraries in the Midwest. Before covid city leaders made sure all the librarians and staff had adequate Narcan on hand for overdoses. It’s total bullshit. and my friend is one of the biggest liberal hippies that exist in the continental US. She hates the whole policy of training staff for this. 
 

It’s absolutely essential to have a plan in place. I want to help those who want and need help the most. We chose poorly in this way and Adler and Casar and the Dipshits of the Round Table can  figure out how to enforce it since they created the fucking mess.
 

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by Nicole44

[Cajun 11777]

4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

 

It’s absolutely essential to have a plan in place. I want to help those who want and need help the most. We chose poorly in this way and Adler and Casar and the Dipshits of the Round Table can  figure out how to enforce it since they created the fucking mess.
 

 

They are going to do everything within their dipshit means NOT to enforce it.

That's how this deal works.

[Cajun 11777]

14 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

Y'know, Cabo Steve more or less rightly gets a lot of barfback on this, but "Li'l Casar" is the main culprit in this shitbag (now turbo-flushed) ordinance.  It was he in June 2019 who wanted to ramrod this thing through, despite some councilmembers' hesitancy, wanting to postpone the vote for at least 2-3 months to study more solutions. But Li'l Casar wouldn't have any of it.  He pushed it up for a vote, and in typical Casar fashion, pontificated while blaming it on leaders who, uh, had nothing to do with it in the first place. From Austin Chronicle, June 28, '19:

https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2019-06-28/council-dials-back-laws-targeting-homeless/

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"A stain on my conscience."  Aww, how poetic.  Sounds like Fitlump from the other side of the aisle.  Sanctimonious crap.  You don't think like I think?  You are morally inferior to me!  Bow to my moral GREATNESS!  Blow it out your ass.  Anyway Adler's getting all the shit, but it was Casar who steamrolled this thing in and the only comment he has so far is a blah blah blah roto-tweet on "we all want to get people into homes."  Duh.  He needs to be called out onto the carpet, too.  Greggy, that's not why people shot your little prop down; it was because they're sick and tired of the dirt, repulsive manners (remember when Greggy said it'll all be good, y'know, because aggressive panhandling (and assaulting people) is still illegal, and y'know the police will serve justice!  (I had a good laugh at that one). 

But the biggest irony is the jackass that rammed this through and croaked about "needing to fix it" hasn't fixed shit.  And all he could muster is some halfass tweet in the face of burying his activist ideas into the shit that's found in many areas now in Austin.

And This from 2019, AAS:
https://www.statesman.com/news/20190621/city-council-rescinds-measures-that-critics-say-criminalize-homelessness

Again, Casar, sponsored this... While Adler went along for the love-ride.  Also, I love how he repeats the mantra at the time... "We haven't fixed everything yet."  Nor ever did.

My point is that Casar is a power-hungry faux saint - that his moral stances are the right ones, and there is no room for disagreement.  And if he has to shanghai the entire city to see his views manifest, well, that's just a product of the morally inferior either suffering necessarily to eventually make life fantastic, or the morally superior knowing how everyone else should act.  Even in this loss of his little experiment all he could muster was a clouded, self-egotistic filter which was another misrepresentation of why this idiotic ordinance went down in flames.  But he'll be back espousing another self-aggrandizing intolerant project soon, so he won't fail to deliver soon.

There are two kinds of homeless people:  those who need help and those who need a kick in the nuts.  I wish every day (especially when I drive by one of Casar's beautiful campsites) that both would get their just desserts.  But Casar did nothing, nothing with that dumbass ordinance except make himself feel better that his little utopian view of the world could happen.  And now its 10X worse than it ever was.  Casar for Mayor!!!

He's a POS.  Expect nothing from him and you'll never be disappointed.

[David Dennison 19542]

6 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s absolutely essential to have a plan in place. I want to help those who want and need help the most. We chose poorly in this way and Adler and Casar and the Dipshits of the Round Table can  figure out how to enforce it since they created the fucking mess.

Why would you want to leave it up to the people in whom you have no faith to make prudent decisions?

[Armybrat 41408]

12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So now what?

Make Austin weird again instead of filthy.