Austin Homeless Free for All Ordinance

[Cajun 11705]

5 minutes ago, Pasken said:

You guys crying about rep points now?

Not at all.  Crying is your domain.

We are, however, laughing.

So thanks, I guess. Your butthurt is delectable.

Edited May 15, 2021 by Cajun

[crash_davis 23101]

8 minutes ago, Pasken said:

I’m also glad you don’t live in austin. Time for the rest of you to leave until it’s too late and homeless socialism swallows your home and family!

if we leave, who's going to pay the bill? You? 

Why do you hate teachers? Why do you hate working people trying to make a living? Why do you hate giving health care to families? Why do you forsake them to give $27k to any shithead leech who shows up at the city limits? 

What's wrong with you?

[Pasken 1309]

6 minutes ago, Cajun said:

Not at all.  Crying is your domain.

We are, however, laughing.

So thanks, I guess. Your butthurt is delectable.

Lol. What a moron. Yea I’m the but hurt one. Keep complaining about rep.

[Guest Lobo]

25 minutes ago, Pasken said:

I’m also glad you don’t live in austin. Time for the rest of you to leave until it’s too late and homeless socialism swallows your home and family!

Wait, are the homeless the ones coming to take our guns and perform abortions?  I thought that was the socialist government?  

I honestly forget which side I'm on most days.  Almost everybody at every level of government over me is an incompetent grifter.  

noCR/ I would be perfectly happy throwing Adler, Casar, Cruz, and Dan Patrick in a water well with a single knife down there and letting them battle it out to the death while the rest of us laughed.  I'd take a shit on each corpse as a warning to others.  The cocksucking thieves in government used to have the decency to be smart about it all.  

[Armybrat 40822]

13 hours ago, crash_davis said:

i'm laughing at the absolute bullshit absurdity of this bullshit, cause what else can you do. working people are fighting for livable wages but dipshits will bend over backwards to give homeless people free social services totaling $18k each. these people are homeless. they don't work. they don't give back to the community. other than taxes for cigarettes, booze, and other trivial shit, they pay no taxes. they are leeches. and 42% of the assholes in this city want to give these leeches $18k a year. 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homeless/austin-homeless-camp-city-approved/269-938d8e4e-1a8b-4868-a4ec-b71336d0d735

again, the 42% should pay for all of this, cause fuck you.

the city leaders just raised another fucking WELCOME HOMELESS EVERYWHERE TO AUSTIN sign. this shit is only going to get worse.

 

 

Lmfao

 

[Armybrat 40822]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

he doesn't have conviction. he's not paying if we aren't paying.

He’s just an enabler of the grifters. 
Good source of info about what they are doing though.

[Armybrat 40822]

36 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

if we leave, who's going to pay the bill? You? 

Why do you hate teachers? Why do you hate working people trying to make a living? Why do you hate giving health care to families? Why do you forsake them to give $27k to any shithead leech who shows up at the city limits? 

What's wrong with you?

He’s compassionate.

[dcar00 14154]

the hilarious thing is we could probably pay to help them out for 3 or 4 months(not the stupid plan above but a more reasonable smart one)  if we weren't

buying hotels, building a chunnel and rail lines that won't be used, paying MILLIONS for people to buy apartments on a rail line, supporting stupid fucking art programs, creating a redundant 2nd high paying job to oversee police, some stupid Equity Department or contracting companies to do "development surveys" so that we can destroy evil single family home neighborhoods.

there is a reason they want 10 to 15 "camps" all over the city.  they don't want people to see the actual number in one or 2 spots.  they know its way more than being reported.

This needs to be helpful but not ANOTHER fucking neon sign that says "Send Your Homeless Here".  People need to see it and say "yeah I think I will stay homeless where I'm at".

We are absolutely going to need to send some folks packing and get them on their way.

These dumbasses on the city council need to do their fucking job and make some hard decisions on what is important and what isn't and quit just asking for more money.  The city probably needs only half the salaried employees it actually pays for and we do stupid shit like voting for MORE over paid salaried employees.

[Enchubben 5510]

1 hour ago, Pasken said:

I’m also glad you don’t live in austin. Time for the rest of you to leave until it’s too late and homeless socialism swallows your home and family!

 

[Cajun 11705]

1 hour ago, Pasken said:

Lol. What a moron. Yea I’m the but hurt one. Keep complaining about rep.

Like clockwork.

So the guy who neg reps lectures the guy who never neg reps about "crying" over rep?

Again, thanks for the laughs.

Edited May 15, 2021 by Cajun
And you spelled "butthurt" wrong, but that's natural.

[washparkhorn 9939]

Connected Developers look at you lot the same way you lot look at the homeless. 

Hyper-gentrification is a rude awakening for many who don't know they are in the cross-hairs. Every complaint of yours will be labeled NIMBYISM (New Urbanism code for "We must get the old luddites out of here.").  

You guys should read the playbook sometime.  https://www.cnu.org/who-we-are/charter-new-urbanism

My biggest complaint about New Urbanism is the fact they gave the playbook to developers as cover. 

[Cajun 11705]

That's a lot of words to say "We think cities should be shit-hole slums, but hey, who am I to judge?

[washparkhorn 9939]

5 minutes ago, Cajun said:

That's a lot of words to say "We think cities should be Citadel Cities without homeless, poor, working class and middle class people who aren't enlightened like us, but hey, who am I to judge?

Modified for clarity.

The homeless are just a diversionary tactic to keep your focus away from what is really going on.

Read the Charter and see what has already become normalized in Austin and around the country. Denver is a prime example. Knowledge is power. 

Now before the New Urbanism Oracles come looking for me because of my heresy, good luck Austin and thanks for all the fish.

[Cajun 11705]

@washparkhorn

What they think and what they are gonna get/are getting are two vastly different things.

These aren't some people blessed with super intelligence.  They are losers riding a temporary wave of utter dipshittery.   Now, I'll give you that it's a big wave.  There's another big wave out there somewhere and once theirs dies, and it will, they will be erased by its power coming the opposite direction.  

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by Cajun

[williemackgarza 1826]

So voters clearly say gtfo to the homeless.
Council says, hold my beer?

[RollLeft 5040]

Just sayin...

The average cost to house an inmate in Texas prisons is $47.50 per day, according to Michelle Lyons, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Thus it would cost about $17,340 to house an inmate for a year.

[Nonbryan 173]

20 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Just sayin...

The average cost to house an inmate in Texas prisons is $47.50 per day, according to Michelle Lyons, spokeswoman for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. Thus it would cost about $17,340 to house an inmate for a year.

so put em in jail!  It's cheaper!

[Nicole44 22059]

1 hour ago, williemackgarza said:

So voters clearly say gtfo to the homeless.
Council says, hold my beer?

Well it’s important to try everything that has been proven not to work/solve the problem several times. I mean they had grand plans for Hotel Hell to built by 2024. Why can’t we recall Addled and his band of Cidiots (city idiots)? 

[Deej 76755]

So, is it Adler or Casar posting under the username Pasken?

[RollLeft 5040]

1 hour ago, Nonbryan said:

so put em in jail!  It's cheaper!

3 hots and a cot, cable tv, a/c, free education

[ChickenSandwich 9828]

22 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

3 hots and a cot, cable tv, a/c, free education

For less than $50 a day. 

[Deej 76755]

 

[HRSchenker 2268]

23 hours ago, crash_davis said:

i'm laughing at the absolute bullshit absurdity of this bullshit, cause what else can you do. working people are fighting for livable wages but dipshits will bend over backwards to give homeless people free social services totaling $18k each. these people are homeless. they don't work. they don't give back to the community. other than taxes for cigarettes, booze, and other trivial shit, they pay no taxes. they are leeches. and 42% of the assholes in this city want to give these leeches $18k a year. 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homeless/austin-homeless-camp-city-approved/269-938d8e4e-1a8b-4868-a4ec-b71336d0d735

again, the 42% should pay for all of this, cause fuck you.

the city leaders just raised another fucking WELCOME HOMELESS EVERYWHERE TO AUSTIN sign. this shit is only going to get worse.

 

 

 

Now I see why so many people are fleeing to the burbs and rural Texas. Why invest in the future of your city when you can throw millions at people who generate negative revenue?

[Pasken 1309]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

So, is it Adler or Casar posting under the username Pasken?

Oh how clever. Your totally the first person to make that joke. You’re so clever. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

1 hour ago, HRSchenker said:

 

Now I see why so many people are fleeing to the burbs and rural Texas. Why invest in the future of your city when you can throw millions at people who generate negative revenue?

Solution - invest in efficient intervention. Win/Win.

Meanwhile - the well-connected will continue to steal the seed-corn out the backdoor while you are distracted with solvable problems. Extremely inefficient. Negative externalities fester and spread (for those of you actually worried about saving money).  

Good thing Fitlump is ready to save the day. 

TLDR - Work the problem. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by washparkhorn

[DalTxHornFan 3097]

1 hour ago, Pasken said:

Oh how clever. Your totally the first person to make that joke. You’re so clever. 

[MAUFRAIS 6619]

3 hours ago, RollLeft said:

3 hots and a cot, cable tv, a/c, free education

You left out the unlimited sex

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

On 5/14/2021 at 6:52 PM, Shaggybevo said:

Hilarious that people blame Adler/Casar for the homeless camps.  

Don't blame Adler/Casar, blame the people that voted for them. Adler won with 60% of the vote and Casar won with 66% of the vote.  Both won landslide victories.  I saw "Vote Against Prop B" yard signs in central Austin. 

Adler is a different matter, but Greg Casar is great in his district in a way that the rest of the city has no awareness of. They love him, for good reasons, and it has nothing to do with any of this. He’ll be in that seat as long as he wants it. 

11 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Connected Developers look at you lot the same way you lot look at the homeless. 

Hyper-gentrification is a rude awakening for many who don't know they are in the cross-hairs. Every complaint of yours will be labeled NIMBYISM (New Urbanism code for "We must get the old luddites out of here.").  

You guys should read the playbook sometime.  https://www.cnu.org/who-we-are/charter-new-urbanism

My biggest complaint about New Urbanism is the fact they gave the playbook to developers as cover. 

Lolz evil developers.  
I’m no Urbanist, but putting your neighborhood under glass like Lenin’s corpse isn’t an affordability strategy.
 

It’s the housing shortage, stupid. in Central Austin as in much of Denver. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Bozo_Casanova

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

Meanwhile, the story of the dog who caught the car continues

I almost feel bad for her. It’s like she’s slowly coming to realize that the bad faith actors and demagogues are more invested in the problem than solving it. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Bozo_Casanova

[dcar00 14154]

This is all Casar.  He wanted to "show everyone the homeless", create the problem/make it worse, and then ask for a bunch of money to fix it.  He's a communist, nothing more nothing less.  the plan is working perfectly in his mind.  of course, he will keep getting re-elected in his district.

I believe the city owned Home Depot is in his district.  has he pushed using it to create an area to house many of them?  maybe he has and I missed it.  no reason to have 10 different areas just 3 North/Central/South.

[washparkhorn 9939]

 

3 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

It’s an affordable housing shortage, stupid. in Central Austin as in much of Denver. 

All urban areas share that problem presently. The playbook never worked.  Yet planning departments treat the as the Bible of good development. There are other options. You know that. 

Presently, work from is a transformative development that opens up options in housing.

There is not much Austin can do until the rest of the region responds to the demand surge. 

Texas is a region that should be more oriented to the West, not the South. The mixed loyalty of some to South is holding Texas back. Texas is not the South. No Texan would ever agree to that proposition.

What are the mechanisms needed to reduce the number of people entering a cycle of housing precarity? Nip them in the bud. It is much cheaper. 

I would love to hear your big ideas on the housing precarity issue and the housing shortage problem.

Spoiler

And ignore the brutes (some of you lot are, admit it). Most of it is just Punch and Judy - a cathartic release of pressure as this set and other sets of problems are on auto-repeat failure to solve. It can be quite entertaining - as satire. A Blazing Saddles for those stuck in 1975. It masks a lot of pain and disappointment. They deserve solutions to their anxieties as well. 

Give us some wisdom BC.

And would someone tell me what happened to Tahoe? 

[washparkhorn 9939]

48 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

He's a communist

Hyperbole and Humorous Contention. But Commies don't exist - even in so-called communist nations. They joined the capitalist gang. after they learned capitalism pays a lot more. And some are kicking our ass in the capitalist markets.

[Armybrat 40822]

4 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

Hyperbole and Humorous Contention. But Commies don't exist - even in so-called communist nations. They joined the capitalist gang. after they learned capitalism pays a lot more. And some are kicking our ass in the capitalist markets.

That’s because the former commies have even less ethics than us crony capitalists.

[Cajun 11705]

11 hours ago, Pasken said:

Oh how clever. Your totally the first person to make that joke. You’re so clever. 

You're

As in, "You're batting .500 grammatically in that statement".

Edited May 16, 2021 by Cajun

[Johnny Sack 8397]

On 5/14/2021 at 9:32 PM, JimmyJames said:

Kind of a big error there.

[Armybrat 40822]

Who is going to take the first step of forcing the mentally ill homeless into the newly expanded state institutions for treatment?
 

[Cajun 11705]

We fixed the glitch.

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

6 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

 

All urban areas share that problem presently. The playbook never worked.  Yet planning departments treat the as the Bible of good development. There are other options. You know that. 

Presently, work from is a transformative development that opens up options in housing.

There is not much Austin can do until the rest of the region responds to the demand surge. 

Texas is a region that should be more oriented to the West, not the South. The mixed loyalty of some to South is holding Texas back. Texas is not the South. No Texan would ever agree to that proposition.

What are the mechanisms needed to reduce the number of people entering a cycle of housing precarity? Nip them in the bud. It is much cheaper. 

I would love to hear your big ideas on the housing precarity issue and the housing shortage problem.

  Hide contents

And ignore the brutes (some of you lot are, admit it). Most of it is just Punch and Judy - a cathartic release of pressure as this set and other sets of problems are on auto-repeat failure to solve. It can be quite entertaining - as satire. A Blazing Saddles for those stuck in 1975. It masks a lot of pain and disappointment. They deserve solutions to their anxieties as well. 

Give us some wisdom BC.

And would someone tell me what happened to Tahoe? 

Just to be clear, it's a full spectrum housing shortage, not primarily an affordable housing shortage. There's an affordability problem, but that's caused by the downfiltering of demand - upper income people locked out of traditionally affluent areas by shortage taking their money to middle class neighborhoods, and middle class people taking that money to working class neighborhoods or the suburbs, and working class people being pushed out of town.

There are three major contributing factors to the broad spectrum loss of housing affordability in American cities:
1) Unprecedented long expansion and cheap liquidity

2) Rising income inequality and wages stagnation encouraged by the tax code, with the middle class taking an decreasing share of productivity gains and 

3)  Local zoning that prevents close-in neighborhoods from adding housing close to jobs/transit and responding to increased demand - minimum lot sizes, low maximum occupancy, high parking minimums, massive obstruction of small-form multi-family (4-6 units), opposition to programmatic affordable housing in high opportunity areas etc. Essentially the package of local rules that came in when court decisions began to overturn the private covenants that kept blacks and working class people out of white neighborhoods.

#3 is the only one that state/local governments can respond to.

And ironically - it's generally self-styled progressives who lead the resistance to change on #3, to stop evil developers. But the thing is - development is not the mechanism of gentrification. The mechanism of gentrification is zoning.

Edited May 16, 2021 by Bozo_Casanova

[Sandman 3403]

On 5/15/2021 at 9:25 AM, Paco said:

Fucking meals and laundry. Holy holy shit.

This is how we did laundry at Marine boot camp. Guess it's too inhumane for our unsheltered brethren.

"Pass the detergent, Recruit!"

I'm triggered!

[atomheartbevo 89628]

On 5/15/2021 at 9:25 AM, Paco said:

Fucking meals and laundry. Holy holy shit.

This is how we did laundry at Marine boot camp. Guess it's too inhumane for our unsheltered brethren.

In the Army, we used washing machines and dryers in basic training, but we understand that was probably too advanced for you all to master.

I have to admit, we were envious of the Air Force, who probably had their servants wash their clothes.

[HRSchenker 2268]

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

3)  Local zoning that prevents close-in neighborhoods from adding housing close to jobs/transit and responding to increased demand - minimum lot sizes, low maximum occupancy, high parking minimums, massive obstruction of small-form multi-family (4-6 units), opposition to programmatic affordable housing in high opportunity areas etc. Essentially the package of local rules that came in when court decisions began to overturn the private covenants that kept blacks and working class people out of white neighborhoods.

#3 is the only one that state/local governments can respond to.

And ironically - it's generally self-styled progressives who lead the resistance to change on #3, to stop evil developers. But the thing is - development is not the mechanism of gentrification. The mechanism of gentrification is zoning.

I've noticed a lot of this in DFW burbs. There is massive resistance to density by P&Z boards, even in cases where developers meet codes but commissioners are allegedly worried about the resale value of their home. Forney is a great example of this phenomenon. Massive resistance to growth or really any sort of change. The demand is for more roads and existing expansion despite overwhelming evidence that this will make things worse. They just went through a city council election and the pro-growth candidates were demolished. I've thought about selling my rental property there only because I fear the direction that city is heading towards.

I would say that it's progressives and conservatives that are leading the charge just from my observation. The progressives do it by getting neighborhoods "historical" designations and protections. The conservatives do it by getting people riled up about the equity of their home under threat. 

[We’reTexas 1473]

11 hours ago, washparkhorn said:

 

All urban areas share that problem presently. The playbook never worked.  Yet planning departments treat the as the Bible of good development. There are other options. You know that. 

Presently, work from is a transformative development that opens up options in housing.

There is not much Austin can do until the rest of the region responds to the demand surge. 

Texas is a region that should be more oriented to the West, not the South. The mixed loyalty of some to South is holding Texas back. Texas is not the South. No Texan would ever agree to that proposition.

What are the mechanisms needed to reduce the number of people entering a cycle of housing precarity? Nip them in the bud. It is much cheaper. 

I would love to hear your big ideas on the housing precarity issue and the housing shortage problem.

  Reveal hidden contents

And ignore the brutes (some of you lot are, admit it). Most of it is just Punch and Judy - a cathartic release of pressure as this set and other sets of problems are on auto-repeat failure to solve. It can be quite entertaining - as satire. A Blazing Saddles for those stuck in 1975. It masks a lot of pain and disappointment. They deserve solutions to their anxieties as well. 

Give us some wisdom BC.

And would someone tell me what happened to Tahoe? 

It (“it” being a fully-committed Housing First initiative) worked in Houston. It worked in Utah as well, until they stopped funding it. But that’s just for homelessness, and as BC notes the housing crisis hits the whole spectrum of housing. Most cities are unable to viably address housing on their own, and there is rarely any regional or state cooperation.  

Edited May 16, 2021 by We’reTexas

[Deej 76755]

Why would cities want to address housing when the powers that be are likely making a killing in real estate?

[dcar00 14154]

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Just to be clear, it's a full spectrum housing shortage, not primarily an affordable housing shortage. There's an affordability problem, but that's caused by the downfiltering of demand - upper income people locked out of traditionally affluent areas by shortage taking their money to middle class neighborhoods, and middle class people taking that money to working class neighborhoods or the suburbs, and working class people being pushed out of town.

There are three major contributing factors to the broad spectrum loss of housing affordability in American cities:
1) Unprecedented long expansion and cheap liquidity

2) Rising income inequality and wages stagnation encouraged by the tax code, with the middle class taking an decreasing share of productivity gains and 

3)  Local zoning that prevents close-in neighborhoods from adding housing close to jobs/transit and responding to increased demand - minimum lot sizes, low maximum occupancy, high parking minimums, massive obstruction of small-form multi-family (4-6 units), opposition to programmatic affordable housing in high opportunity areas etc. Essentially the package of local rules that came in when court decisions began to overturn the private covenants that kept blacks and working class people out of white neighborhoods.

#3 is the only one that state/local governments can respond to.

And ironically - it's generally self-styled progressives who lead the resistance to change on #3, to stop evil developers. But the thing is - development is not the mechanism of gentrification. The mechanism of gentrification is zoning.

plenty of minorities in my "white" neighborhood.

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

12 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

plenty of minorities in my "white" neighborhood.

You mean like Roy Moore‘s lawyer? 

[TKthunder2 4985]

On 5/14/2021 at 9:00 PM, crash_davis said:

i'm laughing at the absolute bullshit absurdity of this bullshit, cause what else can you do. working people are fighting for livable wages but dipshits will bend over backwards to give homeless people free social services totaling $18k each. these people are homeless. they don't work. they don't give back to the community. other than taxes for cigarettes, booze, and other trivial shit, they pay no taxes. they are leeches. and 42% of the assholes in this city want to give these leeches $18k a year. 

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homeless/austin-homeless-camp-city-approved/269-938d8e4e-1a8b-4868-a4ec-b71336d0d735

again, the 42% should pay for all of this, cause fuck you.

the city leaders just raised another fucking WELCOME HOMELESS EVERYWHERE TO AUSTIN sign. this shit is only going to get worse.

 

Seriously, laundry should not be on the list neither should meals.  For the last two year a majority of the homeless have been sleeping under overpasses, parks and woods all over the city without these handouts but now they are framing it as it will cost MORE to provide social services that we were already providing?  Shit this seem like you could service more people in a more secure location making it cost LESS per person.  $150k a year to be in charge of a SINGLE homeless camp?  How does one get that job?  Sound like 1 person could “managed” multiple sites for far less because their is no way the market would support that salary.

I get lighting and security for liability purposes (something the city should be concerned about).  Trash, showers and restrooms because it’s the humane thing to do.  Looks like it would take about $600k a year which is far less than that ridiculous number they are floating.  And if you use these same numbers for the 100 person camp it only increases by $40k.

This is just getting more and more ridiculous.

[dcar00 14154]

8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You mean like Roy Moore‘s lawyer? 

have no idea about Roy Moore's laywer but plenty of minorities in my neighborhood.  in fact its probably majority non white.

[fattyflattie 4639]

3 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

$150k a year to be in charge of a SINGLE homeless camp?  How does one get that job?  Sound like 1 person could “managed” multiple sites for far less because their is no way the market would support that salary.

Damn, I had the exact opposite read on that. Not a chance in hell I’m dealing with one of those camps for that.  

[crash_davis 23101]

I know I keep going back to this but throwing tax payer money on this homeless shit is infuriating, especially when we have many other community issues to address. Case in point, funding for teachers. This is an AISD decision but shit like this could be addressed if the city funded shit that mattered. Instead we want to spend 100s of millions on coddling leeches because it makes some people feel good.

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/decision-is-final-austin-isd-will-no-longer-allow-ptas-to-fund-staff-positions-due-to-equity-concerns/

 

 

[BurntOrange&White 39930]

On 5/15/2021 at 8:14 AM, Enchubben said:

Why are meals and laundry included? Is that in addition to food stamps/TANF etc?

So glad I don’t live in Austin.

No shit.