Austin Homeless Free for All Ordinance

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

10 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I know I keep going back to this but throwing tax payer money on this homeless shit is infuriating, especially when we have many other community issues to address. Case in point, funding for teachers. This is an AISD decision but shit like this could be addressed if the city funded shit that mattered. Instead we want to spend 100s of millions on coddling leeches because it makes some people feel good.

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/decision-is-final-austin-isd-will-no-longer-allow-ptas-to-fund-staff-positions-due-to-equity-concerns/

 

 

Where’s the grift in that?

 

[LCHorn 2751]

35 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

I know I keep going back to this but throwing tax payer money on this homeless shit is infuriating, especially when we have many other community issues to address. Case in point, funding for teachers. This is an AISD decision but shit like this could be addressed if the city funded shit that mattered. Instead we want to spend 100s of millions on coddling leeches because it makes some people feel good.

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/decision-is-final-austin-isd-will-no-longer-allow-ptas-to-fund-staff-positions-due-to-equity-concerns/

 

 

Frankly this is worth it’s own thread.  Interesting topic

[Wally Pryor 5410]

15 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

This is just getting more and more ridiculous.

Surprised I need to say this given the tribe that we're talking about. 

But go ahead and reset your bar.   Much, much lower. 

More fun to come. 

[ZB'Tejas 597]

3 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

Frankly this is worth it’s own thread.  Interesting topic

Yep, as someone who has a daughter heading to Casis for Kinder next year this hit close to home. But for sure, wtf. 

[crash_davis 23470]

1 minute ago, LCHorn said:

Frankly this is worth it’s own thread.  Interesting topic

agreed. i'm for equality but aisd is just punishing kids in the name of equality. in this case, let the pta teachers funded schools continue to fund/hire teachers and then divert some of this bullshit homeless money to those schools who do not have pta funding to hire teachers. it's fucking win/win for the kids. no, we'd rather throw money away on giving the homeless fucking everything because fuck kids and investing in the future.

 

[ZB'Tejas 597]

Going to be an absolute circus when they announce those sites. It's so nice that the taxpayers need to provide proper grading, they definitely all chipped in for the grading the my lot.

[ZB'Tejas 597]

1 minute ago, crash_davis said:

agreed. i'm for equality but aisd is just punishing kids in the name of equality. in this case, let the pta teachers funded schools continue to fund/hire teachers and then divert some of this bullshit homeless money to those schools who do not have pta funding to hire teachers. it's fucking win/win for the kids. no, we'd rather throw money away on giving the homeless fucking everything because fuck kids and investing in the future.

 

Yep, obvi funding the homeless will do way more for the city than funding a better education for our kids  Race to the bottom, even for educating our children. I have several friends that will now be sending their kids to Trinity, St Andrews, etc for these exact reasons. Nothing is going to stop the widening gap

[BrazilHorn 6845]

2 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

agreed. i'm for equality but aisd is just punishing kids in the name of equality. in this case, let the pta teachers funded schools continue to fund/hire teachers and then divert some of this bullshit homeless money to those schools who do not have pta funding to hire teachers. it's fucking win/win for the kids. no, we'd rather throw money away on giving the homeless fucking everything because fuck kids and investing in the future.

 

AISD is going to see an even bigger exodus to private schools than they already have. Enrollments are dropping and that was primarily due to just how poorly AISD handled CV19, now you add this to the mix and you will see people in these more affluent schools bailing at even greater clips.

My youngest is at Casis and will be at O'Henry next year and his incoming 6th grade class is down roughly 50% from numbers last year.

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

7 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

agreed. i'm for equality but aisd is just punishing kids in the name of equality. in this case, let the pta teachers funded schools continue to fund/hire teachers and then divert some of this bullshit homeless money to those schools who do not have pta funding to hire teachers. it's fucking win/win for the kids. no, we'd rather throw money away on giving the homeless fucking everything because fuck kids and investing in the future.

 

Don’t they pay the “art consultant” $150k a year?  
 

Can’t spare a few dollars from the W’s new subway line?

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

12 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

AISD is going to see an even bigger exodus to private schools than they already have. Enrollments are dropping and that was primarily due to just how poorly AISD handled CV19, now you add this to the mix and you will see people in these more affluent schools bailing at even greater clips.

My youngest is at Casis and will be at O'Henry next year and his incoming 6th grade class is down roughly 50% from numbers last year.

Might be the plan?  Frees up resources for their targets, it’s not like you stop paying taxes when you put your child in private school. 
 

Cabo Steve has dibs when they close and consolidate some schools. That’s valuable real estate they are wasting. 
 

Easier to drag people down than lift them up in the name of “equality”. 

Edited May 17, 2021 by ChickenSandwich

[Cajun 11777]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

I know I keep going back to this but throwing tax payer money on this homeless shit is infuriating, especially when we have many other community issues to address. Case in point, funding for teachers. This is an AISD decision but shit like this could be addressed if the city funded shit that mattered. Instead we want to spend 100s of millions on coddling leeches because it makes some people feel good.

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/decision-is-final-austin-isd-will-no-longer-allow-ptas-to-fund-staff-positions-due-to-equity-concerns/

 

 

I’ll say it again - So glad I moved out of ATX.

The city will never be what it once was.  Ever.  Weird was ok.  Weird worked.  Now it has evolved into an unadulterated freak show and all of those freaks have full control of the machinery.

RIP

Edited May 17, 2021 by Cajun

[Armybrat 41406]

44 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

agreed. i'm for equality but aisd is just punishing kids in the name of equality. in this case, let the pta teachers funded schools continue to fund/hire teachers and then divert some of this bullshit homeless money to those schools who do not have pta funding to hire teachers. it's fucking win/win for the kids. no, we'd rather throw money away on giving the homeless fucking everything because fuck kids and investing in the future.

 

Is it true that AISD spends $11,000/year on each east side students vs. $7,000 for west side kids.... and that’s why the west side PTAs are raising money to pay for additional staff to make up for their shortage?

[washparkhorn 9973]

On 5/16/2021 at 7:16 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

The mechanism of gentrification is zoning.

Well said (all of it).  Amen to this summary. 

[CDAK 216]

On 5/16/2021 at 7:16 AM, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

2) Rising income inequality and wages stagnation encouraged by the tax code, with the middle class taking an decreasing share of productivity gains and 

#3 is the only one that state/local governments can respond to.
 

Why can't states and localities respond to #2? They don't have control over the federal tax code but they certainly have control over the state and local tax codes. 

[washparkhorn 9973]

8 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

the west side PTAs are raising money to pay for additional staff to make up for their shortage . . . 

The ability to raise funds from the community is a blessing. Not all areas areas have that capability because the wealth simply isn't there.  Smart wealthier communities use the asset to enhance their basic programs.  Many thrive under that model. 

 

[crash_davis 23470]

21 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

The ability to raise funds from the community is a blessing. Not all areas areas have that capability because the wealth simply isn't there.  Smart wealthier communities use the asset to enhance their basic programs.  Many thrive under that model. 

 

We all agree to that model. I'm in the rich side. I don't mind my taxes helping those kids who have no say on how much their parents make. The "rich" side gives more money to the poor side so the rich side funds teachers via PTA. AISD says that's unfair to the poor side even tho the poor side already gets more tax payer money. Beyond fucking stupid. Again just punishing kids.

Use fucking money earmarked for the homeless to pay for more teachers on the poor side, or just more teachers in general. It's not that fucking hard. Dipship city leadership makes it hard because they don't make side money solving actual community problems. 

This highlights just one issue that can be better spent by the homeless money. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26851]

2 hours ago, CDAK said:

Why can't states and localities respond to #2? They don't have control over the federal tax code but they certainly have control over the state and local tax codes. 

The shortest and most complete answer is simply that the Federal tax code is the biggest contributor to the problem. 

[DalTxHornFan 3130]

3 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Is it true that AISD spends $11,000/year on each east side students vs. $7,000 for west side kids.... and that’s why the west side PTAs are raising money to pay for additional staff to make up for their shortage?

That seems logical.  Not as many ESL educational services are required on the west side, I'm thinking.

[ZB'Tejas 597]

9 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

That seems logical.  Not as many ESL educational services are required on the west side, I'm thinking.

In 2018-2019, AISD spent an average of $14,067 per student, but they only spent $6,436 per student at Casis Elementary School. So yes, Casis absolutely needs this additional source of funding.

Btw, I'm on a few parent PTA threads and shit is blowing up over this. I guess the trustees still have to vote so lots of letters going out.

Edited May 17, 2021 by ZB'Tejas

[Ollie Slatt 295]

17 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

That seems logical.  Not as many ESL educational services are required on the west side, I'm thinking.

One of the articles I read on this mentioned that one west side elementary had a PTA funded ESL teacher.  So wealthy parents were paying to help less fortunate students in a very direct way, and AISD is stopping it in the name of equality.  This is so colossally stupid.  

[RollLeft 5090]

4 hours ago, Wally Pryor said:

Surprised I need to say this given the tribe that we're talking about. 

But go ahead and reset remove your bar.   Much, much lower. 

More fun to come. 

fify

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

17 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

Damn, I had the exact opposite read on that. Not a chance in hell I’m dealing with one of those camps for that.  

You're spot on.  My friend is the move-in coordinator for Mobile Loaves and Fishes Community First! Village in Austin.  It's a planned community of tiny homes to help the unhoused find permanent housing.  Let me tell you, I wouldn't wish that kind of responsibility on my worst enemy.  She is a god damned saint to put in the effort and care she does to ensure that people have proper housing, especially at her meager salary.  Mental illness is a big issue with most of their residents, so if you like being berated by those not of sound mind, go ahead and apply for the encampment director position.

[Biff Tannen 46166]

1 hour ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

You're spot on.  My friend is the move-in coordinator for Mobile Loaves and Fishes Community First! Village in Austin.  It's a planned community of tiny homes to help the unhoused find permanent housing.  Let me tell you, I wouldn't wish that kind of responsibility on my worst enemy.  She is a god damned saint to put in the effort and care she does to ensure that people have proper housing, especially at her meager salary.  Mental illness is a big issue with most of their residents, so if you like being berated by those not of sound mind, go ahead and apply for the encampment director position.

This is the best idea we have going, imo, so yes, she is a saint because their service is sorely needed. 

[RollLeft 5090]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

The shortest and most complete answer is simply that the Federal tax code is the biggest contributor to the problem. 

Maybe, but we can't even handle a small city problem much less a state funding or federal tax code issue.

[Samson's Wig 3230]

46 minutes ago, Ollie Slatt said:

One of the articles I read on this mentioned that one west side elementary had a PTA funded ESL teacher.  So wealthy parents were paying to help less fortunate students in a very direct way, and AISD is stopping it in the name of equality.  This is so colossally stupid.  

Austin is working hard to push every single family out of town, or at least to private school.  Between cost of housing, Robin Hood (recapture) and the colossally stupid way AISD is run, sticking with AISD is becoming a more and more difficult choice.  I have no idea what they're going to do with the insane budget shortfalls coming thanks to all the kids who already bailed during Covid.  Moves like this one certainly won't help to draw any of them back.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

1 hour ago, ZB'Tejas said:

In 2018-2019, AISD spent an average of $14,067 per student, but they only spent $6,436 per student at Casis Elementary School. So yes, Casis absolutely needs this additional source of funding.

Btw, I'm on a few parent PTA threads and shit is blowing up over this. I guess the trustees still have to vote so lots of letters going out.

I never knew how much some PTAs raise.  My brother in law was head of the PTA at Twain in Houston.  They raise $500k a year on average.  They fund several staff positions and extra curricular teachers. Why anyone would be against that is beyond me.

[CooterBrown 18288]

The superintendent’s career is going to end over this decision.

[Pasken 1312]

6 hours ago, crash_davis said:

I know I keep going back to this but throwing tax payer money on this homeless shit is infuriating, especially when we have many other community issues to address. Case in point, funding for teachers. This is an AISD decision but shit like this could be addressed if the city funded shit that mattered. Instead we want to spend 100s of millions on coddling leeches because it makes some people feel good.

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/decision-is-final-austin-isd-will-no-longer-allow-ptas-to-fund-staff-positions-due-to-equity-concerns/

 

 

AISD and the city of Austin are not in any way related per texas State law. They city has 0 to do with education. 

[Samson's Wig 3230]

1 minute ago, CooterBrown said:

The superintendent’s career is going to end over this decision.

I doubt it.  If anything she'll have to move on to another town when AISD dwindles down to fewer than 10,000 kids.

[Deej 77825]

48 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

She is a god damned saint to put in the effort and care she does...especially at her meager salary.  Mental illness is a big issue with most of their residents, so if you like being berated by those not of sound mind

So, she's like a moderator for Surly?

[BrazilHorn 6845]

49 minutes ago, Samson's Wig said:

Austin is working hard to push every single family out of town, or at least to private school.  Between cost of housing, Robin Hood (recapture) and the colossally stupid way AISD is run, sticking with AISD is becoming a more and more difficult choice.  I have no idea what they're going to do with the insane budget shortfalls coming thanks to all the kids who already bailed during Covid.  Moves like this one certainly won't help to draw any of them back.

The other thing is the lower income schools have reading and math specialists funded outside of the PTA. This is just a direct "fuck you" to parents in schools where PTAs have been the ones funding these positions. It is so crazy.

[Samson's Wig 3230]

4 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

The other thing is the lower income schools have reading and math specialists funded outside of the PTA. This is just a direct "fuck you" to parents in schools where PTAs have been the ones funding these positions. It is so crazy.

Doesn't seem crazy to me.  Seems exactly like what the people who are being put in charge have preached.  When bussing (the most failed experiment of all failed experiments) didn't get rammed through a couple of years ago, this was the next logical step.  No one gives a shit about improving the poorly performing schools.  The agenda is about punishing the successful ones.  I don't understand it, but it's the people that Austin keeps electing.  Lupo ran on a platform of this bullshit, and has never hidden her hatred from anyone not from her neighborhood.  This is exactly what they've been working towards.  I guess the joke will be on them when there are even fewer students, and therefore way less money, in AISD in the long run. 

I won't be surprised if the state takes over the district, frankly.  Right before Covid hit AISD was one bad grade away from this happening anyway, and they're just doubling down on nonsense that will make things worse.  I assume everyone will get a do-over due to the pandemic, but if this is what leadership believes passes for running a school district it's only a matter of time.

The most insane part to me is that none of this happened before they slashed budgets back in 2011.  And the things being funded by the PTAs are often things that are mandated by federal law be provided by the district, e.g. reading intervention instructors for dyslexic kids.  Fuck them for not paying for this shit in the first place.  Somedays it feels like the twilight zone in this town.

[Deej 77825]

They aren't concerned about the quality of your child's education, only virtue signaling. That's the only true way to prove they care. 

[ChickenSandwich 9959]

Do any of the council have kids in AISD? Or is it a CA situation where they are all in private school?

[Armybrat 41406]

1 hour ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

You're spot on.  My friend is the move-in coordinator for Mobile Loaves and Fishes Community First! Village in Austin.  It's a planned community of tiny homes to help the unhoused find permanent housing.  Let me tell you, I wouldn't wish that kind of responsibility on my worst enemy.  She is a god damned saint to put in the effort and care she does to ensure that people have proper housing, especially at her meager salary.  Mental illness is a big issue with most of their residents, so if you like being berated by those not of sound mind, go ahead and apply for the encampment director position.

The rep is for her.

I wonder if the City Council and the appropriate State legislative committee would be willing to hear her thoughts & imput about that laudable program?

 

[Armybrat 41406]

1 hour ago, Samson's Wig said:

Austin is working hard to push every single family out of town, or at least to private school.  Between cost of housing, Robin Hood (recapture) and the colossally stupid way AISD is run, sticking with AISD is becoming a more and more difficult choice.  I have no idea what they're going to do with the insane budget shortfalls coming thanks to all the kids who already bailed during Covid.  Moves like this one certainly won't help to draw any of them back.

My DIL, something of a perfectionist, resigned from her “upper” administration job at AISD headquarters because of the stupidity & stubbornness she saw running the school district for years. I’m surprised she could stand it for as long as she did.

Wonder if the administration will ever release the real numbers of kids they lost all track of during the past three semesters? 😉

[Deej 77825]

6 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Wonder if the administration will ever release the real numbers of kids they lost all track of during the past three semesters? 😉

[TexasBeta 1277]

Just saw this - 

Northwest Recreation Center? right.. good luck w/ that. 

Also, Bull Creek, Lakewood Drive? I'm sure the Cat Mountain people will love that. 

https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/list-45-potential-city-approved-austin-homeless-camping-sites/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

 

https://www.kxan.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/40/2021/05/Sanctioned-Encampment-Strategy-Land-Options.pdf

Edited May 18, 2021 by TexasBeta

[SKA the boss 729]

Yep. I’m sure the Steiner Ranch people won’t have any problem with the one at Four Points either.

[DalTxHornFan 3130]

I'm convinced that this whole scheme is intentionally designed to fail.  Ridiculous.

[utee94 16088]

2 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I'm convinced that this whole scheme is intentionally designed to fail.  Ridiculous.

But, how can you tell it apart from all of their other policies and plans that consistently fail?

 

 

[Samson's Wig 3230]

There are just no words for how fucking stupid the people running this city are.

[bschoolprof 6342]

The list from the kxan story:

AUSTIN (KXAN) — The City of Austin has identified 45 city-owned areas to possibly turn into designated camps for people experiencing homelessness.

The move comes after the reinstatement of Austin’s citywide camping ban, which went back into effect May 11 after voters approved Proposition B in May 1’s election.

Here’s the initial list of the spots being considered:

1. Walter E. Long 11455 Decker Lake Road
2. John Trevino 9501 FM 969
3. Walnut Creek Sports Park — 7800 Johnny Morris Road
4. Given Recreation Center — 3811 E. 12th Street
5. Fleet Service Yard — 8401 Johnny Morris Road
6. Colony Park land
7. 3511 Manor Road
8. Tannehill Lane
9. Onion Creek Metro North
10. 7720 ½ Kellam Road
11. 5400 E. William Cannon, Decommissioned WWTP
12. FM 812 at FM 973
13. Eco-Park at FM 973
14. W. Slaughter Lane and 8908-8916-9006 Cullen Road
15. Parque Zaragoza Recreation Center — 2609 Gonzales Street
16. South Austin Recreation Center — 1100 Cumberland Road
17. Roy G. Guerrero — 400 Grove Boulevard
18. 6700 Bolm Road District Park
19. Edward Rendon Dellgado Pavilion
20. 4800 – 4906 Bolm Road
21. Levander Loop
22. 1311 Tillery Street
23. Gus Garcia — 1201 East Rundberg Lane
24. 7211 North I-35
25. 7309 North I-35
26. Mary Moore Searight — 907 W. Slaughter Lane
27. Lakeline Neighborhood Park
28. 12101 Anderson Mill Road
29. 10900 FM 2222 (WWT)
30. Commons Ford Park — 614 North Commons Ford Road
31. Walnut Creek/Havens
32. Northwest Recreation Center
33. Sir Swante Palm Neighborhood Park — East Third Street
34. Duncan Park — 900 West Ninth Street
35. San Beach on Cesar Chavez
36. Patterson Park — 4200 Brookview Road
37. Bull Creek Park — Lakewood Drive
38. Ryan Drive Warehouse
39. Circle C
40. Dick Nichols — 8011 Beckett Road
41. 11800 FM 1826
42. 9513 Circle Drive
43. 4905 Convict Hill Road
44. Norwood Tract
45. Austin Recreation Center

[dcar00 14971]

16 minutes ago, DalTxHornFan said:

I'm convinced that this whole scheme is intentionally designed to fail.  Ridiculous.

of course it is.  planned and designed this way from the beginning until the ransom is paid.

[ZB'Tejas 597]

Oh my. Let the firestorm begin. 

[blacklab 12064]

Last year: "We are never going to allow camping in parks"

This year: "Let's open up all the parks to camping!"

[bschoolprof 6342]

I like how one location is just "Circle C" because "fuck those guys." Just somewhere over there.  

[blacklab 12064]

10 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Circle C

So like all of circle C is fair game? Golf course, people's yards, etc?

[dcar00 14971]

17 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

The list from the kxan story:

AUSTIN (KXAN) — The City of Austin has identified 45 city-owned areas to possibly turn into designated camps for people experiencing homelessness.

The move comes after the reinstatement of Austin’s citywide camping ban, which went back into effect May 11 after voters approved Proposition B in May 1’s election.

Here’s the initial list of the spots being considered:

1. Walter E. Long 11455 Decker Lake Road
2. John Trevino 9501 FM 969
3. Walnut Creek Sports Park — 7800 Johnny Morris Road
4. Given Recreation Center — 3811 E. 12th Street
5. Fleet Service Yard — 8401 Johnny Morris Road
6. Colony Park land
7. 3511 Manor Road
8. Tannehill Lane
9. Onion Creek Metro North
10. 7720 ½ Kellam Road
11. 5400 E. William Cannon, Decommissioned WWTP
12. FM 812 at FM 973
13. Eco-Park at FM 973
14. W. Slaughter Lane and 8908-8916-9006 Cullen Road
15. Parque Zaragoza Recreation Center — 2609 Gonzales Street
16. South Austin Recreation Center — 1100 Cumberland Road
17. Roy G. Guerrero — 400 Grove Boulevard
18. 6700 Bolm Road District Park
19. Edward Rendon Dellgado Pavilion
20. 4800 – 4906 Bolm Road
21. Levander Loop
22. 1311 Tillery Street
23. Gus Garcia — 1201 East Rundberg Lane
24. 7211 North I-35
25. 7309 North I-35
26. Mary Moore Searight — 907 W. Slaughter Lane
27. Lakeline Neighborhood Park
28. 12101 Anderson Mill Road
29. 10900 FM 2222 (WWT)
30. Commons Ford Park — 614 North Commons Ford Road
31. Walnut Creek/Havens
32. Northwest Recreation Center
33. Sir Swante Palm Neighborhood Park — East Third Street
34. Duncan Park — 900 West Ninth Street
35. San Beach on Cesar Chavez
36. Patterson Park — 4200 Brookview Road
37. Bull Creek Park — Lakewood Drive
38. Ryan Drive Warehouse
39. Circle C
40. Dick Nichols — 8011 Beckett Road
41. 11800 FM 1826
42. 9513 Circle Drive
43. 4905 Convict Hill Road
44. Norwood Tract
45. Austin Recreation Center

fucking hilarious...NW hills/FW area not even close to being on the list and nothing in hyde park, rosedale, tarrytown.  Fuck these assholes.

close down Lions and have them all camp there until it is fixed.

Edit: in fact just use Lions and Hancock and be done with it.

Edited May 18, 2021 by dcar00

[TexasBeta 1277]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

fucking hilarious...NW hills/FW area not even close to being on the list and nothing in hyde park, rosedale, tarrytown.  Fuck these assholes.

close down Lions and have them all camp there until it is fixed.

Now that would be great to see -- Put cameras up.. stream... Wall it in.... let lions from Austin zoo roam about .... Profit?