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Some context:

The court battle stemmed from a 2016 incident where David Gibson attempted to detain a black college student who tried to use a fake ID to buy alcohol and shoplift from the bakery. David followed the student outside and got into a physical confrontation with him. Authorities arrived on scene to find the student along with two other black students hitting David while he was on the ground.

After the incident, students at Oberlin protested outside the bakery, labeling it racist. Raimondo (College Vice President) joined the students in protesting and handing out fliers claiming the bakery had a history of racism, witnesses testified. Oberlin College stopped doing business with the bakery after the incident, but resumed that business in January 2017.

The $11MM verdict is dumb, of course.  But it seems the bakery had a case.

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actually, if you know how endowments work---this settlement is about 25% of their annual withdrawal.  That actually will leave a dent.  

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1 hour ago, Helobious said:

Lulzed at the “5 generations, so this bakery is worth something” sob story by the family. Show me the financials and let’s see how much you’re really worth. 

Some, and not just the "woke" crowd, would say that what one is really worth goes beyond financial statements.

Stop channeling your inner Dotard.

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17 minutes ago, Asithappens said:

Some, and not just the "woke" crowd, would say that what one is really worth goes beyond financial statements.

Stop channeling your inner Dotard.

And they’d be wrong, because goodwill largely accounts for that stuff. 

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Schools should crack down on professors or admins from leading or encouraging students in protest. A prof should have every right to protest on their own or perhaps organize other professors but not leading students.  It becomes too gray of an area of whether it’s the professor/admin or the school itself.

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RomaVicta

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2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

Who cares?

No shit. Looks like the bakery had a case. Looks like college students were wrong. Looks like justice.

Then the hate engine takes it up in a broad brush to, presumably, downplay that actual racism does happen. Somewhat despicable, no?

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41 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

No shit. Looks like the bakery had a case. Looks like college students were wrong. Looks like justice.

Then the hate engine takes it up in a broad brush to, presumably, downplay that actual racism does happen. Somewhat despicable, no?

If it were just the college students that were wrong the deep dive to the actual college being liable would likely not have happened.(nor the large judgement) 

The bigger issue, and maybe you meant to include it in your list, was the sjw-ness of the college representatives and their culpability via their college power in exacerbating the wrongness of the whole situation.

Maybe this is a good outcome.  Organizations ought to be careful when deciding on which, if any, targets to apply their sjw-ness.(or however you would define "sjw-ness")

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1 hour ago, zork said:

If it were just the college students that were wrong the deep dive to the actual college being liable would likely not have happened.(nor the large judgement) 

The bigger issue, and maybe you meant to include it in your list, was the sjw-ness of the college representatives and their culpability via their college power in exacerbating the wrongness of the whole situation.

Maybe this is a good outcome.  Organizations ought to be careful when deciding on which, if any, targets to apply their sjw-ness.(or however you would define "sjw-ness")

You're basically correct. I just didn't list it but thought it implied by saying the outcome was just. It's a local story as far as I'm concerned. 

I don't have the automatic revulsion about going to "war" for social justice that some people do. Seems like it's usually a good thing.

Actually, this should fall under the category of Political Correctness gone awry. People hear that some blacks have been arrested and, in a climate of justifiable doubts about the cops, leap to the assumption that this is a political issue. They act before they know the facts or simply choose to ignore the facts. Idiocy and damage ensue.

The incident doesn't dilute the real concerns about police treatment of people of color. The incident does not diminish rightful protests against injustice. 

It's generally just a local manifestation of Idiot World which is big enough for all parts of the political spectrum.

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11 hours ago, Helobious said:

Lulzed at the “5 generations, so this bakery is worth something” sob story by the family. Show me the financials and let’s see how much you’re really worth. 

Somewhere between Oberlins $35k estimate and the $11M + $22M they are getting.

Discovery found the school was full of cry-bully leadership, just like their students. 

Roger Copeland, a retired Oberlin College professor of theater and dance, was in the courtroom and seemed ecstatic after the jury came back with their verdict. Prof. Copeland is somewhat famous in the courtroom for getting this response on a Raimondo text to co-workers after a letter-to-the editor he wrote was critical of the school for their handling of the Gibson’ affair. “Fuck him,” Raimondo responded in a text message about Copeland. “I’d say unleash the students if I wasn’t convinced this needs to be put behind us.”

“I’m exhilarated by this verdict,” Copeland said, whose wife Michele worked at the school in food service and testified she was under orders by the school to cut the business off from the cafeteria bagels and pastries they provided because of the student unrest.

“What is most amazing about this trial is that the public was able to see what the process really was in how the school goes about its business,” Copeland said. “It’s almost like the mask has been ripped off the face and we can now see what the face really looks like.”

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9 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Schools should crack down on professors or admins from leading or encouraging students in protest. A prof should have every right to protest on their own or perhaps organize other professors but not leading students.  It becomes too gray of an area of whether it’s the professor/admin or the school itself.

HEY I NEED SOME MUSCLE OVER HERE GET THIS GUY OUTTA HERE

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The problem is, many of the professors and admin are far-left political activists. 

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17 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Somewhere between Oberlins $35k estimate and the $11M + $22M they are getting.  Discovery found the school was full of cry-bully leadership, just like their students. 

 

13 minutes ago, Zavala said:

HEY I NEED SOME MUSCLE OVER HERE GET THIS GUY OUTTA HERE  The problem is, many of the professors and admin are far-left political activists. 

 I served with Lorenzo de Zavala. I knew Lorenzo de Zavala.  Lorenzo de Zavala was a friend of mine.

You're no Lorenzo de Zavala. 

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9 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Not in my experience. What school did you go to? Name some of them. 

Or are you just repeating what you've been told?

Texas. Engineering school so I didn't run into professors that were political. 

Your anecdotal evidence isn't really relevant to the point, neither is mine.

Some famous examples:

Here's Melissa Click, now working at Gonzaga

https://www.gonzaga.edu/academics/faculty-listing/detail/click

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/25/melissa-click-former-university-of-missouri-profes/

Bike lock "intro to ethics" professor Eric Clanton wearing antifa gear hitting people with a weapon, got only 3 years probation

 

Heres some statistics and articles (from left-leaning sources) showing the difference and it's growth.

https://econjwatch.org/articles/faculty-voter-registration-in-economics-history-journalism-communications-law-and-psychology

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/24/survey-finds-professors-already-liberal-have-moved-further-left

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-09-17/colleges-have-way-too-many-liberal-professors

https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/01/14/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservative-faculty-5-to-1-academics-explain-why-this-matters/

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Zavala said:

HEY I NEED SOME MUSCLE OVER HERE GET THIS GUY OUTTA HERE

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The problem is, many of the professors and admin are far-left political activists. 

Pointy headed intellectuals. Let's get the boys together with some axe handles or baseball bats and head over to the university and show 'em that their lefty ways won't be tolerated! They're the problem! They're the disease! Eradicate them!

You think we should have a political screening process for professors? How much weight, if any, would you give to their standing in their fields and ability to teach? 

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It's good to know the right wing trolls are concerned with apparently the biggest issue facing our nation--- SJWs and a resultant award a college was court ordered to pay their "victim."

If only they cared a millionth as much about, oh, say, kids in cages or 12-years-old killed by the police, or hurricane victims in Puerto Rico.

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5 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Pointy headed intellectuals. Let's get the boys together with some axe handles or baseball bats and head over to the university and show 'em that their lefty ways won't be tolerated! They're the problem! They're the disease! Eradicate them!

You think we should have a political screening process for professors? How much weight, if any, would you give to their standing in their fields and ability to teach? 

Nice projection. 

Actually conservatives just take real majors or get into a trade and become productive, avoid and ignore these people. 

You can choose to ignore that it's destroying the colleges reputation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/university-of-missouri-enrollment-protests-fallout.html

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6 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

It's good to know the right wing trolls are concerned with apparently the biggest issue facing our nation--- SJWs and a resultant award a college was court ordered to pay their "victim."

If only they cared a millionth as much about, oh, say, kids in cages or 12-years-old killed by the police, or hurricane victims in Puerto Rico.

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15 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Nice projection. 

Actually conservatives just take real majors or get into a trade and become productive, avoid and ignore these people. 

Avoid and ignore? You don't seem to know the meaning of projection, so I'm not sure irony is your bag either. This is a conservative initiated thread throwing attention at a local story in hopes of raising the issues to a national broad brush to make the tired claim that lefties are destroying our colleges.

Nice throw in of the tired "we got practical degrees and are better citizens." 

Smug.

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35 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Nice projection. 

Actually conservatives just take real majors or get into a trade and become productive, avoid and ignore these people. 

You can choose to ignore that it's destroying the colleges reputation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/university-of-missouri-enrollment-protests-fallout.html

College is not a vocational school. You shouldn't be there to learn a trade.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

College is not a vocational school. You shouldn't be there to learn a trade. 

QFT. 

It's not a vocational school and it shouldn't be a diploma mill.  

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5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

College is not a vocational school. You shouldn't be there to learn a trade.

 

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

QFT. 

It's not a vocational school and it shouldn't be a diploma mill.  

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accounting degree, fine arts degree specialists, two examples of many where you take plenty of electives to broaden your mind and get the full college/university experience while honing your craft.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Maybe college professors lean left because left-leaning people are smarter than the alternative.

 

I agree.  (smirk)

 

Seriously, I have other colleagues who are professors and staff who are conservatives/right leaning.  But I also teach college in Houston. 

From my experience, you don't see a lot of conservatives in higher education because they choose not to get into that profession.  This is why I don't understand conservatives who bitch and complain like 3 year olds over "liberal professors" in college.  Well guess what, those are the people who want to make a living in that profession.  

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