Oberlin College hit with $11M judgement in libel/defamation lawsuit

[TwiceHorn 31536]

You can sure tell that 12 residents of Oberlin OH were righteously pissed at those college pipsqueaks.

[Deej 76920]

This shit would never happen at Grand Lakes University.

[jimmyjazz 46130]

So can I sue UT for Jester's poor appropriation of scrambled eggs?

[Deej 76920]

Can aggy be sued for appropriation of 70's Soviet architecture?

[NeverMarryAStripper 21921]

I’d be happy to give Ohio back to the native Americans

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

3 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

What are the odds that this bakery was the only local business to enjoy Oberlin activism?

If I were this family, as soon as I got the money I’d close my business and tell the school and it’s student body to fuck off. 

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

3 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Too bad this stupid bitch threw away a quarter mil on tuition and didn't actually learn anything.  

I’m sure kameron Dunbar would be fine with a coordinated in person, print, and social media campaign designed to convince everyone that she is racist and has been for some time. She would brush it off as free speech. 

[clapclapclap 9000]

1 hour ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I’d be happy to give Ohio back to the native Americans

"Tonto go back to Ohio, but Tonto's city was gone."

[gecko 1104]

9 hours ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I’d be happy to give Ohio back to the native Americans

Nah, give it back to the French.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21921]

Yeah, you’re right I like the French less than Native Americans.

[SDG 3319]

Total of $44mm awarded 

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Oberlin market awarded $44M in lawsuit
Owners of a market accused of racism have been awarded more than $44 million in a lawsuit, accusing Oberlin College of libel and hurting their business. A jury in Lorain County, awarded David Gibson, son Allyn Gibson and Gibson's Bakery $33 million in punitive damages Thursday. That comes on top of an award a day earlier of $11 million in compensatory damages. The protests occurred in November 2016 when Allyn Gibson, who is white, got in a fight with three black students after one shoplifted. The episode triggered protests against the business. An Oberlin attorney argued the school has subsequently become a better community partner and works with students to be good neighbors.

https://www.wksu.org/post/morning-headlines-ryan-qualifies-first-debate-oberlin-market-awarded-44m-lawsuit#stream/0

that’s gonna leave a mark.  

[mightyfine 3]

Total of $44mm awarded 

that’s gonna leave a mark.  

Little late to the party; see post 39

[SDG 3319]

11 minutes ago, mightyfine said:

 

 

Little late to the party; see post 39

 

Sorry, thought I had previously read through the whole page 1.  

[RomaVicta 30018]

10 hours ago, clapclapclap said:

"Tonto go back to Ohio, but Tonto's city was gone."

Oh oh oh Kem-oh-sabe.

Edited June 14, 2019 by RomaVicta

[ChickenSandwich 9852]

[Steel Shank 9432]

Do we know what happened to the fine people who assaulted the store guy? Are they back to their studies?

[Viper 12112]

from the article in the op

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In August, the three students at the center of the tumult pleaded guilty to amended misdemeanor charges — Aladin to attempted theft, aggravated trespassing and underage purchase of alcohol. Before their sentencing, which involved restitution but no jail time, each student read a statement acknowledging that Gibson was justified in trying to restrain Aladin and that the owner’s actions had not been racially motivated, according to court documents.

 

[ajax 2620]

Restitution by the students was roughly $300

We should add that to the $33 million that Oberlin will be paying.

[gecko 1104]

they need to appeal to the 9th circuit while there's still time

[phdhorn 6224]

President left a note:
 

Dear Members of the Oberlin Community,

By now many of you will have heard about the latest development in the Gibson’s Bakery lawsuit, a jury’s declaration of punitive damages against Oberlin. Let me be absolutely clear: This is not the final outcome. This is, in fact, just one step along the way of what may turn out to be a lengthy and complex legal process. I want to assure you that none of this will sway us from our core values. It will not distract, deter, or materially harm our educational mission, for today’s students or for generations to come.

We will take the time we need to thoughtfully consider the course that is in Oberlin’s best interests. I will update the community as we make these decisions. I am confident that when we resolve this matter, it will look substantially different than it looks today.

I'm not giving up!!!!

[mulletpelini 5216]

On 6/13/2019 at 2:17 PM, Beau Vine said:

 

[Rusty Shackelford 414]

What was Keith Oberlin’s reaction to this judgement?

[SDG 3319]

2 hours ago, phdhorn said:

President left a note:
 

Dear Members of the Oberlin Community,

By now many of you will have heard about the latest development in the Gibson’s Bakery lawsuit, a jury’s declaration of punitive damages against Oberlin. Let me be absolutely clear: This is not the final outcome. This is, in fact, just one step along the way of what may turn out to be a lengthy and complex legal process. I want to assure you that none of this will sway us from our core values. It will not distract, deter, or materially harm our educational mission, for today’s students or for generations to come.

We will take the time we need to thoughtfully consider the course that is in Oberlin’s best interests. I will update the community as we make these decisions. I am confident that when we resolve this matter, it will look substantially different than it looks today.

I'm not giving up!!!!

Tripling down on stupid.  Thats a bold move, but isnt the best legal course at this point to shut up and negotiate the payment down?  They have some leverage as the bakery caters to the university but thats alot of fuck you money that even 100 years in business will make you question.   

[ajax 2620]

Attorney's fees still to be determined by the court. And I read somewhere that the 2x punitive cap is not a hard cap.

They should really shut up at this moment, but they won't.

[TwiceHorn 31536]

1 hour ago, SDG said:

Tripling down on stupid.  Thats a bold move, but isnt the best legal course at this point to shut up and negotiate the payment down?  They have some leverage as the bakery caters to the university but thats alot of fuck you money that even 100 years in business will make you question.   

Probably right.  I am guessing they have some grounds of appeal on first amendment issues, at least.  That should provide some leverage over the judgment.

I think it's ok to say something to that effect, but that last sentence is a doozer.

[ChickenSandwich 9852]

4 hours ago, phdhorn said:

President left a note:
 

Dear Members of the Oberlin Community,

By now many of you will have heard about the latest development in the Gibson’s Bakery lawsuit, a jury’s declaration of punitive damages against Oberlin. Let me be absolutely clear: This is not the final outcome. This is, in fact, just one step along the way of what may turn out to be a lengthy and complex legal process. I want to assure you that none of this will sway us from our core values. It will not distract, deter, or materially harm our educational mission, for today’s students or for generations to come.

We will take the time we need to thoughtfully consider the course that is in Oberlin’s best interests. I will update the community as we make these decisions. I am confident that when we resolve this matter, it will look substantially different than it looks today.

I'm not giving up!!!!

This stands in contrast to the conciliatory tone taken by Oberlin College in arguingno punitive damages were needed:

“You have spoken,” said Oberlin College attorney Rachelle Kuznicki Zidar to the jury. “You have sent a profound message. We have heard you, and believe me, colleges across the country have heard you,” She also looked at the Gibson family and said, “The college doesn’t hate you.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/legalinsurrection.com/2019/06/oberlin-college-vows-to-fight-gibsons-bakery-verdict-this-is-not-the-final-outcome/amp/

“You have sent a profound message,” she told the jury. “Colleges across the nation have heard you” and Oberlin College in particular “never wants to sit at this table ever again.”

 

http://www.chroniclet.com/cops-and-courts/2019/06/12/Gibson-s-Bakery-v-Oberlin-College-Plaintiffs-rest-in-second-day-of-punitive-phase.html

Edited June 14, 2019 by ChickenSandwich

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

They are used to bullying as an accepted form of free speech activism. Of course they won’t know when to shut up. 

[HRSchenker 2273]

I'm confused about something. I just read the complaint and the background says that the main student in question used a fake ID to obtain wine but also shoplifted some in his jacket. They charged him with second degree robbery. What is the difference between robbery and shoplifting in this case? Is it because a store employee tried to stop him and he resisted that turned it into a robbery?

[TwiceHorn 31536]

58 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

I'm confused about something. I just read the complaint and the background says that the main student in question used a fake ID to obtain wine but also shoplifted some in his jacket. They charged him with second degree robbery. What is the difference between robbery and shoplifting in this case? Is it because a store employee tried to stop him and he resisted that turned it into a robbery?

Did you find a collection of pleadings somewhere?  I'd like to see them.

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A) No person, in attempting or committing a theft offense or in fleeing immediately after the attempt or offense, shall do any of the following:

(1) Have a deadly weapon on or about the offender's person or under the offender's control;

(2) Inflict, attempt to inflict, or threaten to inflict physical harm on another;

(3) Use or threaten the immediate use of force against another.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2911

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

On June 11, 2019 at 1:32 PM, Trey3216 said:

Ask Brat, he listened to the game on the can 

The game also pre-dated radio. The fastest way to keep up would've been by telegraph. 

[SDG 3319]

19 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Probably right.  I am guessing they have some grounds of appeal on first amendment issues, at least.  That should provide some leverage over the judgment.

I think it's ok to say something to that effect, but that last sentence is a doozer.

That’s my point; anything they say or write is going to show up in the appeal so why provide any ammo?  It sounds like they are getting bad legal advice or not taking it.  

[elfenix 34332]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The game also pre-dated radio. The fastest way to keep up would've been by telegraph. 

"can" being the former can and string communication network that existed prior to the telegraph. 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

3 minutes ago, SDG said:

That’s my point; anything they say or write is going to show up in the appeal so why provide any ammo?  It sounds like they are getting bad legal advice or not taking it.  

Nah.  It won't.  It isn't part of the appellate record unless they do it in some kind of court filing.  But it's not calculated to make peace with the other side or at least not antagonize them.

[SDG 3319]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Nah.  It won't.  It isn't part of the appellate record unless they do it in some kind of court filing.  But it's not calculated to make peace with the other side or at least not antagonize them.

Thanks.  I learn something new every day.  It’s good to know that next time I get sued I can talk shit during the appeals process. 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

Just now, SDG said:

Thanks.  I learn something new every day.  It’s good to know that next time I get sued I can talk shit during the appeals process. 

Just because it won't be argued or before the appeals court formally doesn't make it a good idea.

[Beau Vine 54429]

9 hours ago, SDG said:

That’s my point; anything they say or write is going to show up in the appeal so why provide any ammo?  

Because they're stupid and arrogant and they're used to getting their way if they complain enough, which is how they think the world works.

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

5 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Because they're stupid and arrogant and they're used to getting their way if they complain enough, which is how they think the world works.

Taken in isolation it's impossible to tell to which side this post is referring. 

[ajax 2620]

Here's video of the arrest, starting at 1:55. The dude actually cries out for his mom.

It's funny. In the video the cop says everyone was on top of David Gibson beating on him but none of the mainstream news outlets are reporting that. In Salon's article recapping the facts of the case a few days ago all they do is repeat Oberlin's claim that Gibson physically attacked the student, which was never proven, and ignored the actual facts.

 

[ChickenSandwich 9852]

Liars lie. What a piece of shit. Still had the nerve to falsely accuse the victim after the fact. 

Should have charged him with the felony. 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

My gawd what an absolute cunt.

[Laxtonto 12116]

Great twitter thread regarding the court transcripts 

 

Edited June 16, 2019 by Laxtonto

[ChickenSandwich 9852]

From your link

Amazingly, the school thought they could get Gibson’s and the city to drop the shoplifting charges against the three students, in exchange for the school business restored with Gibson’s. On December 02, 2017, less than a month after the protest, Tito Reed, set an email to her boss, Krislov, laying out how she thought things could be fixed. This is what the jury read today:

“So can we draft a legal agreement clearly stating that once charges are dropped the [purchase] orders [with Gibson’s] will resume. I’m baffled by their combined audacity and arrogance to assume the position of victim.”

 

school running their own little Gestapo 

[Pato del Muerto 52598]

Baffled at how the place that got robbed and the owner that got assaulted are victims?

[phdhorn 6224]

25 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

From your link

Amazingly, the school thought they could get Gibson’s and the city to drop the shoplifting charges against the three students, in exchange for the school business restored with Gibson’s. On December 02, 2017, less than a month after the protest, Tito Reed, set an email to her boss, Krislov, laying out how she thought things could be fixed. This is what the jury read today:

“So can we draft a legal agreement clearly stating that once charges are dropped the [purchase] orders [with Gibson’s] will resume. I’m baffled by their combined audacity and arrogance to assume the position of victim.”

 

school running their own little Gestapo 

Oberlin College sounds like it sucks.  No, actually it doesn't sound like it.  It does suck.  What a fucking clusterfuck of idiots.

[Armybrat 40911]

Tito Reed is a fucking fascist, as are any of the clueless idiots who support those whinyass little cunt criminals who beat and robbed Gibson. 

 

[RDCanecutter 26473]

38 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Baffled at how the place that got robbed and the owner that got assaulted are victims?

Please. Gibson's sits on land taken from indigenous people, selling products transported by internal combustion engines, made from enslaved and ghoulishly altered plant species grown on land where once rabbit and chipmunk roamed free, fertilized by chemicals, watered from depleted aquifers, made from ancient womyns' recipes put without credit into Anglx cookbooks, perpetuating Judeo-Christian capitalistic "norms" by also "selling" wine in a clear example of mimicking the miracle of the cis-gender Wedding of Cana where the woman again was given like property to her new owner-husband, not to mention that "Gibson" is, well, why not "Gibdaughter"? Patriarchy and penises, that's why.

I for one will not be buying anything from that bakery. And it's not because I live 3 states away. ("state" as conqueror/oppressor anthropocentric construct, completely arbitrary.)

[phdhorn 6224]

2 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

I for one will not be buying anything from that bakery. And it's not because I live 3 states away. ("state" as conqueror/oppressor anthropocentric construct, completely arbitrary.)

What about if they have any good deals on leftover cakes for same sex couples?

Edited June 16, 2019 by phdhorn

[Beau Vine 54429]

That twitter thread is amazing.  This is my favorite part (so far):

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McDaniel said he started taking pictures with his cell phone, and a young man came up to him and started blocking his phone with flyers in his hand. McDaniel said he kept moving and the man moved with him, blocking his ability to take picture over and over. “I’m with the college,” the man answered when the former Oberlin College police chief asked him why he was blocking his ability to take pictures.

McDaniel testified he found out later the man hounding him over picture taking was Julio Reyes, associate director of the school’s multi-resource center. “He was attempting to intimidate me and I don’t intimidate easily,” McDaniel said.

“I told him ‘I’m going to just going to wait until your silly ass leaves and [I’ll] start taking pictures again without you trying to block me,.’ “McDaniel testified. “He answered that he was going to come back when I wasn’t looking and key my car.”

 

Edited June 17, 2019 by Beau Vine

[AUS-97HORN 11823]

its not every school, and its not every campus, but we as a country have managed to raise a large portion of generation that is attending school which honestly believes that they will be able to make the world a better place if nobody does anything to offend anyone ever. 

No discourse, no debate, just SJW's lockstep in their belief that they are right and everyone who doesn't believe that they are right, is not only wrong, but a racist nazi. 

 

Im honestly wondering what happens in 10 years when all these "kids" legitimately start failing in the real world, what their reaction might be.  And I am genuinely concerned that they are going to run to the only hole card that they know works.... calling everyone who stops their promotions, racist, youthist, sexist, homophobic assholes.  and they might start royally fucking up good peoples lives by doing so. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 21921]

19 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

calling everyone who stops their promotions, racist, youthist, sexist, homophobic assholes.  and they might start royally fucking up good peoples lives by doing so. 

They got me