impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Message Board User 12,396]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

6 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I doubt Trump will resign, and the public will support conviction and many of the Republican Senators will subjectively want to convict. If they fail to do so, they will break the impeachment process, show the country their true colors, and harm, perhaps irreparably, the Republican Party.

Trump will resign if the alternative is prison. 

[triplehorn 2,664]

14 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Once again, the Senate will never vote to convict when they can work out a deal to force resignation. Regardless of the President or circumstances, the Senate should never vote to convict a sitting president.  They don’t want an acquittal vote on their record if the evidence is overwhelming or even potentially politically untenable.  They will avoid voting at all costs unless the case is weak.  

Unless I’m mistaken, if Trump resigns it’s Pence.  If Pence were to resign first, any replacement would have to be confirmed by majorities in both House and Senate.  So no Ivanka.  Keep in mind Pence is up to his gargler in all this.

[Bookman 4,640]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump will resign if the alternative is prison. 

The State of New York will put Trump in prison.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Just now, Bookman said:

The State of New York will put Trump in prison.

You’d be surprised at the kind of deal Trump could get out of resignation.  

[Bookman 4,640]

Ha, good point.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You’d be surprised at the kind of deal Trump could get out of resignation.  

has nothing to do with the sdny.  they have no motivation.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

4 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Unless I’m mistaken, if Trump resigns it’s Pence.  If Pence were to resign first, any replacement would have to be confirmed by majorities in both House and Senate.  So no Ivanka.  Keep in mind Pence is up to his gargler in all this.

Pence isn’t resigning first.  He’s Trump’s get out of federal prison free card. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,154]

5 minutes ago, Bookman said:

The State of New York will put Trump in prison.

No doubt.  The guy is super fucked.  At the very least they have his taxes and those are more than enough to get him some jail time.  I also don't think the feds letting him resign if exchange for any potential charges being dropped would have much bearing on NY.  They're out for blood - and they're gonna get it.  Poor Trump.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

has nothing to do with the sdny.  they have no motivation.

Trump has a little leverage in resignation deal.  He can put the country and Senate through absolute hell if he doesn’t get the no-prosecution deal he wants. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

What are the republicans in these committees saying publicly?

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

the backs of their heads are weirdly silent as they sprint towards the elevator.

Devin Nunes is the Ranking member of the GOP on the HIC and he is all in for TrumpWorld. *Will Hurd (TX) is also on the committee. I haven't seen any commentary by him but I may have missed it. I think a lot of Trump supporters are unaware that there are Republicans on the committee at all.

 

*The other GOP members are:

Mike Conaway (TX), Mike Turner (OH), Brad Winstrup (OH), Chris Stewart (UT), Rick Crawford (AR), Elise Stefanik (NY), John Ratcliffe (TX)

Three Texans, if one of them represents your District, give them a call.

 

 

[High Plains Drifter 11,052]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump will resign if the alternative is prison. 

 

i have to disagree with your police work here, Lou.

 

Hubris and narcissism and dementia is a hell of a combo. He will never actually believe that he could end up in prison. He will never resign.

He honestly believes his own bullshit.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump has a little leverage in resignation deal.  He can put the country and Senate through absolute hell if he doesn’t get the no-prosecution deal he wants. 

the sdny doesn't give a shit about what the country goes through, and they have no incentive to let it go.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

6 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Hubris and narcissism and dementia is a hell of a combo. He will never actually believe that he could end up in prison. He will never resign.

He honestly believes his own bullshit.

Trump just wants to come out a winner and cheat the system.  He has a long history of spinning his losses as a victory.  I have no doubt he will fight to avoid resignation but not to the death, in the end, he will run away to fight another day. 

Edited October 23, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Chad Fuck 17,759]

the sdny doesn't give a shit about what the country goes through, and they have no incentive to let it go.

He can pardon himself from federal crimes. So the SDNY is a non issue. He will grant himself a pardon. Of course there will be all sorts of wailing and gnashing of teeth. Not to mention Pence may pardon him.

The State of New York, however, likely has zero fucks to give.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

the sdny doesn't give a shit about what the country goes through, and they have no incentive to let it go.

A Pence blanket pardon renders the SDNY irrelevant.  He’s gonna want some guarantee from state prosecutors.  He might not get it but he’ll try. 

[Brisketexan 105,320]

Trump just wants to come out a winner and cheat the system.  He has a long history of spinning his losses as a victory.  I have no doubt he will fight to avoid resignation but not to the death, in the end, he will run away to fight another day. 

Nope. He’s cornered. He leaves office (impeachment conviction or resignation), he goes to jail. So, he will fight like a cornered dog to stay in office
And he’ll destroy the country/planet/universe to protect himself. He has no concern for any other human being. An earth without Donald Trump as a god doesn’t deserve to exist, so who cares if it all burns down?
Things are about to get incredibly dangerous.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Nope. He’s cornered. He leaves office (impeachment conviction or resignation), he goes to jail. So, he will fight like a cornered dog to stay in office
And he’ll destroy the country/planet/universe to protect himself. He has no concern for any other human being. An earth without Donald Trump as a god doesn’t deserve to exist, so who cares if it all burns down?
Things are about to get incredibly dangerous.

we've been telling hugo this for 6 months.

resigning is admitting defeat.

resigning with all sorts of elaborate pardons (needing people to help him) is even worse.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Nope. He’s cornered. He leaves office (impeachment conviction or resignation), he goes to jail. So, he will fight like a cornered dog to stay in office
And he’ll destroy the country/planet/universe to protect himself. He has no concern for any other human being. An earth without Donald Trump as a god doesn’t deserve to exist, so who cares if it all burns down?
Things are about to get incredibly dangerous.

Trump cares about the perception others have of him, it’s his only vulnerability.  What is left of his image is what he wants to protect.

It’s probably why he refuses to release his tax returns.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

resigning is admitting defeat.

resigning with all sorts of elaborate pardons (needing people to help him) is even worse.

Resigning is whatever Trump says it is.  This is a man that creates the reality he wants to live in.  As long as he can convince others his reality exists, he still has power. 

[sachick 1,189]

Once again, the Senate will never vote to convict when they can work out a deal to force resignation. Regardless of the President or circumstances, the Senate should never vote to convict a sitting president.  They don’t want an acquittal vote on their record if the evidence is overwhelming or even potentially politically untenable.  They will avoid voting at all costs unless the case is weak.  

But what do they do when a President refuses to resign? I just don’t see Trump agreeing to resign for any reason.

[triplehorn 2,664]

28 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Pence isn’t resigning first.  He’s Trump’s get out of federal prison free card. 

I’d like to see the House do a two-fer.  Pence is not clean in this Ukraine matter.  He can also get indicted sitting office unlike potus if I’m not mistaken.  Would like to see a special one unsealed for the VP

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

4 minutes ago, sachick said:

But what do they do when a President refuses to resign? I just don’t see Trump agreeing to resign for any reason.

You really think Trump can’t be blackmailed into resigning?  You know, the guy that is obviously being blackmailed already? 

 

 

From planet stupid:

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[henrygandorf 29,194]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You really think Trump can’t be blackmailed into resigning?  You know, the guy that is obviously being blackmailed already? 

 

 

uh, i think you're confused about how blackmail works.

you have to actually be afraid that really damning shit about you will become public.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

DJ has a little over a week until his next rally in Tupelo, Mississippi. He is taking longer to recuperate after he goes to events. The stress and poor health are taking a toll on what was arguably a pretty small mind. I agree with BrisketTexan in that the worse the President feels physically and the more he deteriorates, the more he will act out as events spiral out of his control. His actions will mirror that. He didn't handle his Cabinet meeting this week very well, and there are more items that are needing attention.

[TwiceHorn 31,534]

21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump cares about the perception others have of him, it’s his only vulnerability.  What is left of his image is what he wants to protect.

It’s probably why he refuses to release his tax returns.  

This is very true.  His whole raison d'etre is Manhattan society's refusal to accept him.  If those douchewads had been more accepting of him, and Graydon Carter and Spy hadn't made fun of his hands, he'd be a low profile rich grifter.

He can accept peripheral, deniable humiliation:  numerous bankruptcies, business failures, paying off whores, all that.  But a conviction by judicial process, appealed and affirmed is a bridge too far.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

8 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

uh, i think you're confused about how blackmail works.

you have to actually be afraid that really damning shit about you will become public.

Tax returns?  Financial records?  How about some tapes?  Lordy...

Trump is a guy that illegally paid off a porn star for what?  

The dude is weak and easily manipulated.  He’s not a strong man as much as he wants to be. 

[cactusflinthead 27,601]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This is very true.  His whole raison d'etre is Manhattan society's refusal to accept him.  If those douchewads had been more accepting of him, and Graydon Carter and Spy hadn't made fun of his hands, he'd be a low profile rich grifter.

He can accept peripheral, deniable humiliation:  numerous bankruptcies, business failures, paying off whores, all that.  But a conviction by judicial process, appealed and affirmed is a bridge too far.

Goes back farther than that. It's something that he got as a child. His whole life has been an effort to preserve his own skin. 

[henrygandorf 29,194]

27 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tax returns?  Financial records?  How about some tapes?  Lordy...

Trump is a guy that illegally paid off a porn star for what?  

The dude is weak and easily manipulated.  He’s not a strong man as much as he wants to be. 

yeah, and he will sell his soul, his friends, his family, his country out - to remain president.  terrible shit is already out there.  he breaks the law every day.

if some taxes somehow see the light of day, he'll lie about them.  the pornstar stuff everyone knows and he still denies it, and only cohen has paid for it.

i understand that he's easily manipulated.  the reason is because he already has what he wants - he's in charge.  he'll continue to do whatever he needs to do to stay in charge (like the illegal act of having hostile foreign nations investigate his potential political opponents).  there's 200 pages about him obstructing justice, yet he continues to do it.  he's being investigated for having people dig up dirt on biden, and he'll 100% start doing it on warren (if he hasn't already).

he's breaking every possible law to remain president.  he's not going to walk away, even with a gun to his head.

[Brisketexan 105,320]

Correct. If he can’t have the win, he’ll blow everything up. If he can’t have this country, nobody can. Seriously, that’s the level of narcissist psychosis we’re dealing with here.
And the GOP continues to happily strap more dynamite to his suicide vest. And honestly, I think it’s because they’ve bought into that same ideology - let us stay in power, or we’ll destroy everything.
It’s classic terrorist tactics.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Correct. If he can’t have the win, he’ll blow everything up. If he can’t have this country, nobody can. Seriously, that’s the level of narcissist psychosis we’re dealing with here.
And the GOP continues to happily strap more dynamite to his suicide vest. And honestly, I think it’s because they’ve bought into that same ideology - let us stay in power, or we’ll destroy everything.
It’s classic terrorist tactics.

at this point, if you told me the senate voted to remove him, i would still put it at 50/50 that he still wouldn't leave.

[jimmyjazz 46,126]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

at this point, if you told me the senate voted to remove him, i would still put it at 50/50 that he still wouldn't leave.

And if he refused to leave, that's when millions of 2A supporters such as myself would purchase our first guns.

[cactusflinthead 27,601]

My reactive response will get me another timeout. 

So, I'll keep watching sports.

[henrygandorf 29,194]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

And if he refused to leave, that's when millions of 2A supporters such as myself would purchase our first guns.

the fact that we're actually discussing this shows us where we are.

[jimmyjazz 46,126]

33 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

the fact that we're actually discussing this shows us where we are.

It's not lost on me.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

Fox News just needs to convince Trump’s boomer brain resigning is a winning strategy.  

It might actually be that simple.

[Jack Straw 2,954]

5 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

the fact that we're actually discussing this shows us where we are.

and, the fact that we even have to engage in a serious conversation about whether the Democratic candidates can actually beat him in 2020, and that there is a very real probability that he will be re-elected

[Irwin F Fletcher 3,550]

Support for impeachment continues to grow. This survey was completed prior to yesterday's testimony.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

9 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

 

Devin Nunes is the Ranking member of the GOP on the HIC and he is all in for TrumpWorld. *Will Hurd (TX) is also on the committee. I haven't seen any commentary by him but I may have missed it. I think a lot of Trump supporters are unaware that there are Republicans on the committee at all.

 

*The other GOP members are:

Mike Conaway (TX), Mike Turner (OH), Brad Winstrup (OH), Chris Stewart (UT), Rick Crawford (AR), Elise Stefanik (NY), John Ratcliffe (TX)

Three Texans, if one of them represents your District, give them a call.

 

 

One of the Texans, John Ratcliffe, has been tagged by DJ this morning:

 

[horncyclist 1,391]

20 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

One of the Texans, John Ratcliffe, has been tagged by DJ this morning:

 

Is it clear they didn't know about it? And besides that, the only reason the aid was released was that the story blew up. Had the whistleblower not come forward, the withheld money likely forces Zelenskyy to announce the investigation--that was the point. If you break into a bank and run off when the alarm goes off, you're still a bankrobber even if you didn't get the money.

Fuck these lying traitors.

[achooloco 1,084]

9 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The stress and poor health are taking a toll on what was arguably a pretty small mind. 

Good, fuck him and his child torturing family. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,797]

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Correct. If he can’t have the win, he’ll blow everything up. If he can’t have this country, nobody can. Seriously, that’s the level of narcissist psychosis we’re dealing with here.
And the GOP continues to happily strap more dynamite to his suicide vest. And honestly, I think it’s because they’ve bought into that same ideology - let us stay in power, or we’ll destroy everything.
It’s classic terrorist tactics.

I'm actually a little surprised that the GOP voted to censure Schiff. I mean, not terribly surprised, since their orange god demanded it, but a little surprised considering they all know damn well he didn't deserve it... 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3,861]

26 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

One of the Texans, John Ratcliffe, has been tagged by DJ this morning:

 

?

 

its all throughout the testimony.  “Mr. Sondland told Mr. yermak that security assistance would not come until President Zelensky committed to the Burisma investigation”

[horncyclist 1,391]

3 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

?

 

its all throughout the testimony.  “Mr. Sondland told Mr. yermak that security assistance would not come until President Zelensky committed to the Burisma investigation”

Dude. Get out of here with that reading shit. 

[horncyclist 1,391]

And one last thing this morning, that whistleblower is a true patriot. If he doesn't come forward I'm not sure if any of this comes to light. We could all be talking about Ukraine investigating Hunter Biden right now, none the wiser.

[GW Hayduke 1,953]

11 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Anyone? 

it seems like this would be the time for them to try and get out in front of this and spin testimony in favor of Trump. 

are any Rs that are in these committees doing that?

Fox News’ website is running a headline this morning that Taylor’s testimony was ‘Destroyed’ by Ratcliffe. Per McCarthy, “We can’t really talk about it.... Schaffer’s won’t let us talk about what happened.”

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Congrats to the loyalty oaths from the two he named in the tweet. Ratcliffe on the HIC joined Nunes in choruses of "Witch Hunt of West Wing," and "Where in the World is the Whistleblower?" Ratcliffe spoke with FN last night, so DJ is directing viewers to ignore the testimony and enjoy the songs. That's my take anyway. Who cares if it's true folks?! We have an all star cast this evening!

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

And here we go, GOP doubling down again:

 

[horncyclist 1,391]

5 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

And here we go, GOP doubling down again:

 

Nevermind the damning evidence. Process! 

[yoladu 4,094]

11 hours ago, Message Board User said:

 

Boo Hoo!

How did this guy get through life with the way he treats people?

It is Interpersonal Skills 101. You want people to have your back? Don't spend years shitting down their throats.

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by yoladu