impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Zavala 1384]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I am noticing the House Republicans are quickly becoming the only Trump foot soldiers left as Senate Republicans are increasingly going to ground.  

If attempting to push Trump out via resignation is on the table for the Senate GOP, now would be the time to game that out and get the ball rolling behind close doors.  

Ideally, the Republicans would want this all to go away as quickly as possible if they’re convinced it’s only going to get worse as democrats approach impeaching Trump in the House.

For Republicans, it would be better to have Trump resign before he’s impeached.  Like Nixon.

ITS MUELLER TIME!

[Lurch 5930]

[Zavala 1384]

why have it in a SCIF?

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

1 minute ago, Lurch said:

 

For fuck sakes

[Ted Lange 16085]

 

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by Ted Lange

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

8 minutes ago, Zavala said:

why have it in a SCIF?

JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!

From the same dude that just posted this:

 

Your question has been answered up thread. Look for it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

18 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Trump will not resign, ever.  Resigning means admitting he's weak and he'll never do that.  And the Senate Republicans will never vote to remove.  Ever. 

Sigh, no matter how many times this gets said I will continue to argue you never know for sure until you try.  

It’s like the original stupid impeachment debate all over again.  

“Democrats shouldn’t even try to impeach Trump because the Senate will never vote to convict and the polls show public support for impeachment isn’t even there, so why even bother?!?”

Well that debate has now been blown the fuck up.  

[texastough 1129]

I am going with resignation due to a medical issue and an insanity defense in the subsequent prosecutions

[DigglerontheHoof 21199]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sigh, no matter how many times this gets said I will continue to argue you never know for sure until you try.  

It’s like the original stupid impeachment debate all over again.  

“Democrats shouldn’t even try to impeach Trump because the Senate will never vote to convict and the polls show public support for impeachment isn’t even there, so why even bother?!?”

Well that debate has now been blown the fuck up.  

Where did I say not to try?  I'm just telling you, Trump is a different level narcissist.   And he will not publicly admit weakness or defeat.  And resigning screams both of those. 

I'll be happy to eat the biggest goddamned plate of crow ever, if the orange cunt resigns but I, unfortunately, won't have to. 

[Lurch 5930]

why have it in a SCIF?

When attacking the messenger fails to distract sufficiently from the message, attack the... venue?

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

6 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Where did I say not to try?  I'm just telling you, Trump is a different level narcissist.   And he will not publicly admit weakness or defeat.  And resigning screams both of those. 

I'll be happy to eat the biggest goddamned plate of crow ever, if the orange cunt resigns but I, unfortunately, won't have to. 

I tend to agree, but he sure consented to fold his fake charity really quickly. 

[Biff Tannen 45685]

1 minute ago, Lurch said:

 

When attacking the messenger fails to distract sufficiently from the message, attack the... venue?

 

Can you imagine what they're going to be like a year from now?

[henrygandorf 29191]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Sigh, no matter how many times this gets said I will continue to argue you never know for sure until you try.  

It’s like the original stupid impeachment debate all over again.  

“Democrats shouldn’t even try to impeach Trump because the Senate will never vote to convict and the polls show public support for impeachment isn’t even there, so why even bother?!?”

Well that debate has now been blown the fuck up.  

i think there were some (and still are some) who opposed impeachment because they knew the senate wouldn't convict, and trump would spin it into a victory once acquitted.  those people could turn out to be right, or it may not matter.  i think he should be impeached and i think the senate won't convict.  there are varying degrees of moves, opinions, and results.  that is nothing like what you're suggesting (again), which is the president resigning.

if you're arguing that the gop leadership should try to force him to resign, i agree with you - and i think there are plenty others who would also agree.  for all we know, it's been floated, or maybe it's in the early stages of conversation.

what i (and everyone else) already know, is that it doesn't matter - because he will not resign.  this isn't about "well why aren't we at least trying come on!"  so i don't know what "you never know for sure until you try" is all about, but i know trump won't resign.

if there was a pool i could enter, i would put money on assassination, natural-causes death/incapacitation, senate removal, or db cooper style disappearance before resignation.

[Lurch 5930]

Did not know this

[jimmyjazz 45952]

I was just old enough in 1973 to be paying attention, and people didn't think Nixon would resign, either.  That and $4 will get you a latte at Starbucks, but it's true, regardless.

[Bozo_Casanova 26460]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

totally normal behavior.

 

Mo Brooks embarassed himself? No wai!

 

[henrygandorf 29191]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I was just old enough in 1973 to be paying attention, and people didn't think Nixon would resign, either.  That and $4 will get you a latte at Starbucks, but it's true, regardless.

nixon had something trump will never possess - shame.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Where did I say not to try?  I'm just telling you, Trump is a different level narcissist.   And he will not publicly admit weakness or defeat.  And resigning screams both of those. 

I'll be happy to eat the biggest goddamned plate of crow ever, if the orange cunt resigns but I, unfortunately, won't have to. 

Trump will never admit failure but he can convince himself that resigning is the winning move and declare victory.  He has done this with every failure he’s had and there have been a lot of Trump failures, even in his own presidency. 

Of course, it’s going to have to get much worse for Trump than where it is now but the train has left station and it’s moving towards the inevitable disaster at rapid speed. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13585]

Mo Brooks mo problems

[wildcat09 29354]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump will never admit failure but he can convince himself that resigning is the winning move and declare victory.  He has done this with every failure he’s had and there have been a lot of Trump failures, even in his own presidency. 

Of course, it’s going to have to get much worse for Trump than where it is now but the train has left station and it’s moving towards the inevitable disaster at rapid speed. 

Yes, but quitting those wouldn't likely result in his going to prison.

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

 

[DDD Dad 14339]

3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Mo Brooks mo problems

 

[henrygandorf 29191]

3 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

trump to mulvaney - "which one is the judicial branch again?  they're not as good as us, right?"

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

11 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yes, but quitting those wouldn't likely result in his going to prison.

Which is why resignation would have to be contingent on him avoiding any chance of prison.  

I know, state crimes, but I’m not sure what prevents immunity from those potential charges being on the table in a resignation deal.  

Edited October 23, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz
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[henrygandorf 29191]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump will never admit failure but he can convince himself that resigning is the winning move and declare victory.  He has done this with every failure he’s had and there have been a lot of Trump failures, even in his own presidency. 

Of course, it’s going to have to get much worse for Trump than where it is now but the train has left station and it’s moving towards the inevitable disaster at rapid speed. 

this is not like trump college or trump steaks.  the only possible comparison is real estate.  this would almost be like if trump was forced to give up anything to do with real estate including licensing agreements (25 years ago).  but even that is a pretty silly argument.

he's already won.  he's the president.  no move away from that is victory in his eyes.  to rationalize it to the people, he would have to say he fucked a bunch of stuff up and that america is in a better spot if he walked away.  he would never ever ever position it that way.  it would also mean the do-nothing democrats won.

stop thinking about this in terms of rational human beings.  this is hitler's bunker, dude.

[henrygandorf 29191]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Which is why resignation would have to be contingent on him avoiding any chance of prison.  

I know, state crimes, but I’m not sure what prevents immunity from those potential charges being off the table in a resignation deal.  

i don't even think prison weighs into this.  it should (and would to any normal person) but in his mind, there's no way he'd go to prison.  he'd fight and sue and appeal until he dies.  i think there's about zero % chance he goes to prison even if he resigns tomorrow.

the point is, he's done everything possible (legal and illegal) to hold this office/keep this office and continues to do so in broad daylight.  he's not leaving.

 

-amendment-

here's the only scenario i see where he would resign:

-the senate republicans tell him they're voting him out

-he somehow gets pence removed/arrested/whatever

-he appoints ivanka as new vp

-he resigns over "health reasons" and ivanka gets sworn in

 

^^^better chance of that happening than a straight resignation

[atomheartbevo 89668]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I am noticing the House Republicans are quickly becoming the only Trump foot soldiers left as Senate Republicans are increasingly going to ground. 

Have you noticed that the House Republicans lost power last year, and therefore have little to lose with dumbass stunts, while the Senate Rs are trying to keep their heads down and hold onto power?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Have you noticed that the House Republicans lost power last year, and therefore have little to lose with dumbass stunts, while the Senate Rs are trying to keep their heads down and hold onto power?

Yes, it’s precisely why the house republicans are Trump’s visible last line of defense.  They have nothing left to lose. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

 

here's the only scenario i see where he would resign:

-the senate republicans tell him they're voting him out

-he somehow gets pence removed/arrested/whatever

-he appoints ivanka as new vp

-he resigns over "health reasons" and ivanka gets sworn in

 

^^^better chance of that happening than a straight resignation

Yeah, any resignation is going to have massive Trump spin to make it look like something other than what it is. 

[atomheartbevo 89668]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yes, it’s precisely why the house republicans are Trump’s visible last line of defense.  They have nothing left to lose. 

And it’s also revealing that we are headed towards the end game.   They are so desperate to stop the hearings, that they are resorting to dumbass stunts.   The fear must be rolling off of them so strongly, that you could smell it if you were nearby.  

[henrygandorf 29191]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And it’s also revealing that we are headed towards the end game.   They are so desperate to stop the hearings, that they are resorting to dumbass stunts.   The fear must be rolling off of them so strongly, that you could smell it if you were nearby.  

and any of them that find a tv camera attack the process.

they've completely stopped trying to spin or justify the facts of what happened.

[Biff Tannen 45685]

11 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i don't even think prison weighs into this.  it should (and would to any normal person) but in his mind, there's no way he'd go to prison.  he'd fight and sue and appeal until he dies.  i think there's about zero % chance he goes to prison even if he resigns tomorrow.

the point is, he's done everything possible (legal and illegal) to hold this office/keep this office and continues to do so in broad daylight.  he's not leaving.

 

-amendment-

here's the only scenario i see where he would resign:

-the senate republicans tell him they're voting him out

-he somehow gets pence removed/arrested/whatever

-he appoints ivanka as new vp

-he resigns over "health reasons" and ivanka gets sworn in

 

^^^better chance of that happening than a straight resignation

If that happened people would justifiably storm the White House.

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, texastough said:

I am going with resignation due to a medical issue and an insanity defense in the subsequent prosecutions

Lulz another instant classic prediction.

Name the date?

[henrygandorf 29191]

3 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Lulz another instant classic prediction.

Name the date?

you read someone predict "an insanity defense" and think it's serious?

jesus, this timeline.

[elfenix 34240]

4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

lulz: 

 

that's impressive.  how the fuck do you rack up 17 violations in 15 years? 

[Dahobbs 17534]

Just now, henrygandorf said:

you read someone predict "an insanity defense" and think it's serious?

jesus, this timeline.

Well, Zavala is a blithering idiot, so not terribly surprising. 

[Gap03 3307]

25 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

If that happened people would justifiably storm the White House.

Is it time to start crowdfunding for a Facebook microtargeting campaign aimed at the WH Secret Service details, just in case?  

[Jack Straw 2954]

59 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

the point is, he's done everything possible (legal and illegal) to hold this office/keep this office and continues to do so in broad daylight.  

and it has worked.  there have been no meaningful negative consequences for his criminality and treason, and that of his administration and supporters (Republicans).  and it will continue to work.  

[henrygandorf 29191]

1 minute ago, Jack Straw said:

and it has worked.  there have been no meaningful negative consequences for his criminality and treason, and that of his administration and supporters (Republicans).  and it will continue to work.  

right.  my point is that someone who is this fixated on how to keep his office and win reelection by any means necessary isn't the type to just resign.

i doubt he had that type of attachment to trump airlines or whatever the fuck.

[Brisketexan 105139]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

stop thinking about this in terms of rational human beings.  this is hitler's bunker, dude.

Which is, umm, our concern.  Because this time, the deranged nutbar descending into a fit of rage and lashing out at the world still has a fully-functioning pool of weapons at his disposal.  He has the ABILITY to wreck the republic and even worse.  By bunker time, Hitler was effectively impotent -- he could order his remaining troops to keep fighting and kill a few more Russians, but that's about it.

3 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

and it has worked.  there have been no meaningful negative consequences for his criminality and treason, and that of his administration and supporters (Republicans).  and it will continue to work.  

And this.

When you realize that we are controlled by a force that is hostile to the Republic (the GOP), then their actions and the endgame here all make sense.  Hell, some of them have said as much.  If the process moves to take out Trump, they will destroy everything -- if they can't have this country, nobody can.

[Jack Straw 2954]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

right.  my point is that someone who is this fixated on how to keep his office and win reelection by any means necessary isn't the type to just resign.

don't disagree with that point.  he's not going anywhere.  i say he will be "re-elected" in a sham "election," and no one does a goddamn thing about it (other than handwringing and more "investigations")

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

The senate Rs are trying to figure out how to get a rabid pit bull out of a yard full of dog shit without getting bit or getting shit on their shoes. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

Just now, Pescado_Rojo said:

The senate Rs are trying to figure out how to get a rabid pit bull out of a yard full of dog shit without getting bit or getting shit on their shoes. 

may I suggest catapult?

[DigglerontheHoof 21199]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

may I suggest catapult?

with apologies to @NWBuck ....fatapult

Edited October 23, 2019 by DigglerontheHoof

[RDCanecutter 26443]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I was just old enough in 1973 to be paying attention, and people didn't think Nixon would resign, either.  That and $4 will get you a latte at Starbucks, but it's true, regardless.

In 1973, $4 would get you a comic book, a 1/72 scale model airplane kit, and a hooker.

[henrygandorf 29191]

the last 4 posts ^^^ are surly gold.

[DigglerontheHoof 21199]

1 minute ago, RDCanecutter said:

In 1973, $4 would get you a comic book, a 1/72 scale model airplane kit, and a hooker.

You had better TG&Ys than we did. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

In 1973, $4 would get you a comic book, a 1/72 scale model airplane kit, and a hooker.

the sti's were free

[Bama Chick 28596]

I’m running out of words.

[staboner 4969]

4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

man, the stunts pulled today by GOP congressman and everything Trump and his cohorts have done to date make me think that we'll be amending the Constitution for a decade to make sure this shit doesn't happen again. What we seem to be seeing is a "well, the framers didn't think of this bullshit, let's try it" approach that is largely working - but destined to fail. But these clowns sure have exposed all the holes in our constitutional defense.

in the real world, yes, there would be buttloads of reform. However, in the world you live in I would bet the farm against any change. The entire enchillada is fucked man. D's ain't changing shit. And I hope like hell i am wrong