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54 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i don't really give a shit about hunter biden, what he did, or what he knows.  the whistleblower is a little different, because of the whole intimidation and retribution thing - since there's no other reason to 'out' him.  as for hunter, he doesn't have shit to do with the held-up aid, so i'm not sure what questions they would even ask him.

this entire thing is about the aid.  if they can't find someone to contradict the fact or reasoning behind the held-up aid, then they have nothing.  which we know, full well, full stop, is fucking obvious at this point.

can we trade hunter for bolton and a ptbnl?  you win the fucking pennant with that trade.

Yeah, Hunter Biden might or might not have done something while on the board at burisma that needs to be looked at in a criminal court or the IRS. Whatever is or isn't there has fuck all to do with the issue at hand.

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I voted for Trump/Against Hilary Clinton.   He should be impeached for: Extortion of a foreign government by withholding military assistance to an ally (and benefitting Russia) in exchange

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I'm a couple pages back in this fast-moving thread, but I wanted to respond to this.   I'm pretty close to you in demographics, and I was also a child who echoed his parents' pro-Reagan stance, a

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Unreal. Biden’s son can take home $1m a year from a Ukrainian company he knows nothing about...but our president acts like the CEO of a company with leverage in cutting deals and this shit happens?

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3 hours ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

Yeah, Hunter Biden might or might not have done something while on the board at burisma that needs to be looked at in a criminal court or the IRS. Whatever is or isn't there has fuck all to do with the issue at hand.


I just don’t get this. 
 

it has been looked into. Completely.  Hence the term “debunked”

 

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To me it’s funny that the last day and a half of testimony has been dominated by a guy that gave Trump a million dollars and two witnesses Republicans requested. These are the people you’d expect to defend the President, and it’s still been devastating.

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7 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

I got into a discussion on Twitter when her picture first was released.

I said she looks like she has detailed notes from 6th grade.

I'll stand by it.

 

Does it seem reasonable to anyone that Ukraine didn’t notice that their $400m aid from the US hadn’t been received as expected? Perhaps a day or two delay doesn’t reach the ears of the Ukraine president but it must be noticed by someone immediately and then work it’s way up the chain.

and perhaps it was discussed In the testimony but logistics of the aid transfer must include relatively extensive discussions and verifications. It’s not like someone in Ukraine just emails us the bank routing and account #, and we send over the money. Wouldn’t one of those discussions include expected timelines?

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8 hours ago, Lobo said:

The platform that allows the most attention starved citizens to broadcast their nothingness, is in cahoots with the most attention starved President in history?  Wow, I did not see this coming.  The venn diagram of people who are not on facebook and who did not vote for Trump is maybe 3,700 of us.  

I am a proud member of that group.

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By now, I know I shouldn't be surprised at the shamelessness of right wing bullshit.  Still, I'm astonished that there haven't been more people that throw their hands up and say that they're done spending so much time and energy defending a criminal idiot.  

Also, I'd think at some point more of the rank and file Magas would get frustrated that cases fall flat or are never brought against their political enemies while they control the US Justice department along with AGs in more than half the states. 

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8 hours ago, Lobo said:

The platform that allows the most attention starved citizens to broadcast their nothingness, is in cahoots with the most attention starved President in history?  Wow, I did not see this coming.  The venn diagram of people who are not on facebook and who did not vote for Trump is maybe 3,700 of us.  

Raises hand.

I visit public Facebook sites because certain domains like the public schools have their settings arranged that I can get info, but for everyone else I would have to join, so no bueno. Twitter, at least, allows me to view and follow people all over the world. I have no account, so I cannot respond/reply (who cares about the 'liking' feature) but it is a useful aggregate to disseminate a lot of info quickly.

4 hours ago, Bookman said:

I'd like to thank the American people for putting Democrats in charge of the House. Otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing the extent of Trump's corruption.

Here here! Gave you a rep, or whatever it's called.

 

I had a lot of work yesterday and between the testimonies was zooming to clear my calendar so I can watch Ms. Hill. I have admiration for those who have tried to the best of their ability to do the right thing. She is one of them.

If Jim Jordan, et al bring up people they would like to question again and are being obstructed can someone please trot out the long list of names of persons refusing to answer their subpoenas as well as the following people:

Lev Parnas

Igor Fruman

Rudy Giuliani

Pete Sessions

Devin Nunes

Harry Sargeant

Ron Johnson

I would like to list Amos Hochstein, but at this point it would be a landmine simply because of his ties to Obama, Biden and the energy sector in Ukraine.

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trump is latching onto the “I want nothing” comment that Sondland claims the president says. It seems to me very believable that trump was making this comment on sept 9th as Sondland claims.  Why?  Because trump has realized at that point that he had done something wrong and was trying to unring that bell.

by sept 9th, hell was starting to break lose about the aid money.  The whistleblower complaint was already spread thru the govt ranks, but we don’t know If word had reached trump.  Congress GOP members were pressuring the White House to act. This is also the day that Bolton and Trump has their reported blowup that led to trump firing bolton on the 10th, but Bolton claims he offered to resign on the 9th.

the walls were closing on trump about this so he was scrambling to fix or get rid of the problem but the die had already been cast. 

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1 hour ago, Doc Reeves said:


I just don’t get this. 
 

it has been looked into. Completely.  Hence the term “debunked”

 

I've been out of the loop since my accident. I have not been keeping up with anything. Im barely getting to where I can think like myself again... So, I'm kinda playing catch up and sort of throwing shit against the wall at this point.

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2 minutes ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

I've been out of the loop since my accident. I have not been keeping up with anything. Im barely getting to where I can think like myself again... 

Sorry to hear this; hope you can continue to recuperate, it can be a long slow road. 

 

Democrats are going “Blue wave” with their ties again to counter “Blue Steel.” Yesterday Castor had the “Blue Bewilderment “ look. 

Oh Lord, Jordan’s shirt is a distraction today. 

Sorry for the fashion derail, they are gearing up to begin. 

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Sorry to hear this; hope you can continue to recuperate, it can be a long slow road. 

 

Democrats are going “Blue wave” with their ties again to counter “Blue Steel.” Yesterday Castor had the “Blue Bewilderment “ look. 

Oh Lord, Jordan’s shirt is a distraction today. 

Sorry for the fashion derail, they are gearing up to begin. 

I still have no idea what his no-coat shtick is supposed to convey. 

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Just now, Mrs Whiggins said:

Sorry to hear this; hope you can continue to recuperate, it can be a long slow road. 

 

Democrats are going “Blue wave” with their ties again to counter “Blue Steel.” Yesterday Castor had the “Blue Bewilderment “ look. 

Oh Lord, Jordan’s shirt is a distraction today. 

Sorry for the fashion derail, they are gearing up to begin. 

Thanks. Dr Hill should do a solid job of refreshing the real issue of putting Russia back on the hot seat for what they did in 2016 to interfere in the elections here.

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52 minutes ago, Bojack said:

By now, I know I shouldn't be surprised at the shamelessness of right wing bullshit.  Still, I'm astonished that there haven't been more people that throw their hands up and say that they're done spending so much time and energy defending a criminal idiot.  

It feeds into the idea that a shit-ton of Republicans are heavily compromised, and while those farther down the totem pole may not be (or even realize the ones above are), the ones who are compromised have enough power to force them to do their bidding.

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21 hours ago, Fozzz said:

Did Sondland ever say that Trump told him that money for weapons was in exchange for investigations or was that just an inference Sondland made on his own?  That appears to me to be a rather important distinction.

It really doesn't matter.  Asking for an investigation is not the same thing as asking for a conviction.  Trump has no way of knowing what the result of the investigation would be so it is impossible to prove he would gain anything by it.  What would he gain if an investigation was held and Biden ended up being found innocent of any wrong doing?

 

Anyway back to the independents that Mrs. Whiggins doesn't care about.  Even though you are going to need them to win the election in 2020.

Let's see how some of them feel about this whole thing.

https://twitter.com/mkolken/status/1195402438318182400?s=21

 

I'm not a Trump voter and oppose many (most?) of his policies. That said, anyone with any intellectual honesty can see that this hearing is a sham devoid of any semblance of due process. Go ahead Democrats, vote to impeach. You've lost any chance at this independent's vote.

 

I believe Dems have not only lost a lot of Independent votes; they may have also lost a lot of moderate Dem votes as well...

They lost my vote & membership during the 2016 primary. Their repeated "dishonest" ( IMO much worse) actions motivated me to look deeper. Much deeper. The party & it's so- called "leaders" deserve to implode. #DemExitForEver #WalkAway

This spectical will make a lot of voters cast straight ticket votes for Republicans.   I hope they lose it all.  House, many seats.

I was a Never Trump guy till the media dropped the tape after he got the nom; and it made me realize they were trying to rig the election. I'm 100% ProTrump now. The Dems *need* a hard defeat to save their party. It's the only way to purge the faction in charge.

Mr. Kolken, these people are not Democrats. They are evil people who have hi-jacked the Democratic Party and are using the name Democrat.  Real Democrats need to stand up to them and take back their Party.

Ding ding ding.  They are absolute sabotaging themselves here

They are. Crazy crazy

Me too. Independent voter who will be voting red in 2020.

This is way beyond Trump. We now have an entire party and media committed to undermine an election because they didn't like the results. If we election results are ignored all we have left to resolve differences is violence.

My sentiments exactly.
It really shows how dumb they think we are. Time to show them how wrong that assumption is.

I literally swore I would not vote for Trump because of the horrible treatment of those with painful conditions #CPP. After watching this Fkfest and getting basically the same treatment from both sides, Trump gets my vote.

Of all the things I miss most in this new era is integrity. The lack of it in our government, our media, our intelligence agencies, our colleges is staggering. When ideology is chosen over truth and facts, eventually we all lose. This is true of both Democrats and Republicans.

Agreed.  I’m a former Democrat, now Independent.  The circus put on these past three years has only uncovered the blatant hypocrisy and double standards the Democratic Party stand for.  Which is ALL they stand for.  It’s deflating and shameful.

There are more of us than the Dems want to admit. I also didn't vote for Pres. Trump, but I'm likely to after their non-stop attacks. Even the Boy Who Cried Wolf, after 3 yrs. of doomsday wailing, ends up hoarse.

"I'm not a Trump voter ..."

Nor I, and I agree with you.

"...anyone with any intellectual honesty can see that this hearing is a sham devoid of any semblance of due process..."

Wish I could like your tweet a million times!! Thankful for people with common sense!!

I am in the same boat. I was a Democrat for the 2016 election, independent now. After this episode, how can I even think Democrats???

Also while trump was out of line with his tweet, The fact that Schiff stopped her testimony to read it in realtime speaks volumes as he then tried to portray it as an attempt to intimidate her & witness tampering. When there was no chance of her seeing it while testifying

Well said! Even if you dont like Trump this is just going too far!

Thank you for saying this! We don't have to love Trump... shoot we don't even have to like him. We as a country are under attack by this sham. It's foolish to trust any of these people. If they can be so bold to do this to the POTUS, we peasants are nothing to them

I'm an #Independent - would never vote for a #Democrat.....

This Independent feels the same.

This "thing" going on in the House is a balloon sent up by the elites to see if WE the People are going to sit by and let them overthrow our Constitutional Republic.  They are having a field day in seeing is they can destroy and give themselves all power at our expense.

Thank you. We need more people with that same intellectual honesty. We need more people to think critically about how what they're doing is changing this country. The Democrats recent despicable Behavior has done more damage to our country than I've seen in my lifetime.

At one time I voted for the best person , I will never vote for another democrat they’ve lost their minds.

That’s what I said after the Kavanaugh farsicle dem spectacle. I used to vote for a few decent dems (a moderate A+ dem = a B republican).  But after that disgusting show I vowed to not vote for another dem ever. I just won’t vote in that race if it’s a bad republican (Romney).

Same. I didn't vote for him and am an avowed independent. I always vote a third party for president as the two party system is the biggest threat to our country IMO. but I am seriously considering voting for Trump just because Democrats have acted so badly.

It really is a sad sham, one begins to ask who the real totalitarians are.

Totally agree.   I don’t like any of them.   But this is a sham.

Do glad to hear that people see through their sham and hopefully the power grab they're attempting.  I was an independent as well but Dems have lost their minds and ate violent,  corrupt and dangerous

This is setting an awful precedent for the future. If we let this stand, we will see ingovernability in the future. We will impeach for any reason with unconstitutional rules. Anarchy will set in. The time to fix this is now. Stop and have an open, public review of the rules.

Same here. I consider myself a strong Independent and I’ve watched these hearings and thought you’ve lost any chance of me voting Dem again. Schiff is deranged and they’re all following him into extinction.

Not only do we need to vote for Trump in 2020 but we also need to vote out as many democrats from all political offices. Our country is in a state of emergency. If Democrats get power now we will lose our country forever as we know it.

Insanity reigns in the Democrat party.

Same views except the treatment toward Trump has exposed the deep state.  Non-elected government officials working against those elected.  True Democrats should be concerned too.  All the best.

I, as a fellow Independent, agree 100%.

I totally agree with you. They’ve list their minds and it’s so obvious

Thank you for stating common sense

This is the craziest thing I’ve seen.

It is heartening to know that there are people who view this "hearing" with clear vision. Schiff is a completely dishonest individual.

As a fellow I, I find it amazing that the leftist people I know think this circus has had any validity. All you have to do is watch... layers upon layers of hearsay while we have a former Vice President recorded doing exactly what has been alleged. Dems lost me years ago tho.

Same here. I'm an independent and have voted Democrat before, but they lost me the past 24 to 36 months. Well done!

I love intellectually honest people regardless of political leanings.  Thank you for not succumbing to TDS!

I’m glad that my state offers voter registration changes online. I was a Central leaning Dem until all the socialism stuff that I don’t believe in has become more prominent in the debates and then the impeachment sham sent me away from them. #WalkAway #NoRagerts 

Even, Obama, has tried to talk to the Democratics about embracing far left policies. The Zeitgeist does not support extremism. They better heed his advice if they want my Independent Vote.

Agreed, I vote for the person and policy not by party, but Dems have lost my vote also.

 

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1 minute ago, EMAWesome said:

It really doesn't matter.  Asking for an investigation is not the same thing as asking for a conviction.  Trump has no way of knowing what the result of the investigation would be so it is impossible to prove he would gain anything by it.  What would he gain if an investigation was held and Biden ended up being found innocent of any wrong doing?

 

 

 

They didn't care about the actual investigation. They just wanted the video of Ukraine saying they were opening the investigation on CNN to use in 2020 campaign ads and Trump could use it as a reoccurring argument in debates and rallies. The Hillary email investigation worked well for him in 2016 even though nothing came of the investigation. 

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