impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[GRHorn 105]

50 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

Warren's plans, if enacted, stand to reduce spending in some areas by reduction of corruption.  Unfortunately, I don't believe it will result in reduction of the debt, or even the deficit.

There will only be expansion of the deficit under Warren or Sanders specifically. Hell, Sanders senior economic adviser is a major proponent of Modern Monetary Theory. 
 

https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton

 

[BradInATX 9208]

3 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

There will only be expansion of the deficit under Warren or Sanders specifically. Hell, Sanders senior economic adviser is a major proponent of Modern Monetary Theory. 
 

https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton

 

What a weirdo, she should know by now that the majority of the folks who love deficit spending are Republicans these days.

Edited November 23, 2019 by BradInATX

[cactusflinthead 27615]

40 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Don't disagree.  You're preaching to the choir.  Hence why I request a political party of some stripe that will not completely ignore it, which is a classically conservative concern, if not ever or recently a GOP one.

It's kind of amusing that the current debauchery of the GOP is making everyone act like the Democratic Party is this model of moral and governmental perfection.  Relatively speaking and now, it's a whole lot better, but it's not without its own faults.

Hero ain't nothing but a sammich. 

We're all familiar with the overpriced toilet seats and allen wrenches. And with billions of dollars lost in the sand. It's where the money gets spent and who gets it. We can do a better job, that's for certain, but whose ox gets gored? 

Right now the grift is out in the open. No quiet kickbacks or connections like a proper corrupt official. This man straight up figures out how to make us pay for everything. How much time has he spent playing golf? Completely blown his Secret Service budget. It's stunning. 

And I am supposed to believe that I should worry about a trillion dollars in debt?

Well, maybe at some point in the game. But, right at the moment he's got a tweet machine and he can start a goddamn war over alien reptile spies in the Sudan.

Polls might not be great and maybe it's not ideal for the Democratic party to make R leaning indies uncomfortable, but it had to be done. 

Every day on the right side of the dirt with a mostly intact society is a daily blessing. 

I thought maybe he'd grow into it. It was a foolish idea that he could be like Chet Arthur. I didn't expect that the GOP would so totally be willing to sell out. Lindsey Graham. He's probably the poster child. But, every single one of them now has to kowtow, at all times, and if they can't bear to do it they run away. 

The only voices that have been long associated with the GOP that are willing to look at the facts of this administration and admit that they can't abide them no longer have any power. Zero. Shut out. 

The Democrats are far from perfect. Never have been. But, right now they are the party of truth, justice, and the American way in comparison to this bunch of stupid, hateful people. 

[GRHorn 105]

27 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

What a weirdo, she should know by now that the majority of the folks who love deficit spending are Republicans these days.

There’s a reason she’s Bernie’s advisor. 

[GRHorn 105]

2 hours ago, Message Board User said:

Very few people in middle America are watching these impeachment hearings and Trump's numbers re: impeachment are getting more favorable for him.

No wonder Pelosi was reluctant to start hearings.

 

Wow. Some incredible numbers here. 
 

“among the 11 issues that Politico and Morning Consult tested, impeachment ranked last, well below the deficit at 74%, health care at 72%, and infrastructure at 70%. Even Trump’s absurd border wall scored as a higher priority for Independents.“

[4th&Five 41724]

Shocking!

 

[SimonBolivar 10962]

5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Shocking!

 

Fake news!!!

[DixonHur 11679]

Trump may end up keeping his campaign promise to drain the swamp...just not the way his supporters envisioned.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5810]

But did you hear that Warren or Bernie will increase the deficit?!?? 

[GW Hayduke 1953]

Lebanon just announced they are investigating Elizabeth Warren. 

[Biff Tannen 45784]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Trump may end up keeping his campaign promise to drain the swamp...just not the way his supporters envisioned.

THEY'RE HURTING THE WRONG PEOPLE!

[Brisketexan 105691]

But did you hear that Warren or Bernie will increase the deficit?!?? 

That seriously cracks me up. People who cheer on a serial arsonist (check out our current debt) saying that we can’t vote for someone else, because they might start a fire! Fucking insanity.

[TwiceHorn 31705]

59 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

There will only be expansion of the deficit under Warren or Sanders specifically. Hell, Sanders senior economic adviser is a major proponent of Modern Monetary Theory. 
 

https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton

 

There will be an expansion of the deficit under anyone in the parties as currently constituted.

What exactly the fuck do you think Trump is doing??  And he had both houses for two years.

Which is what I'm grousing about.

I give Warren infinite credit for actually discussing how her programs will be paid for, and for taking it to third parties for analysis.

Edited November 23, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Biff Tannen 45784]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

I give Warren infinite credit for actually discussing how her programs will be paid for, and for taking it to third parties for analysis.

It's almost like she might be really smart and also, more importantly, genuine.

[TexasEd 8163]

6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

If the Dems want to get the most of the impeachment hearings for either actual impeachment or poltiical gain in 2020, they need to distill their accusation/judgement to a handful of sentences. Then find a way to get on all of the networks and news channels including Fox News for a few minutes.

• The President was worried about Biden's #s in the polls
• He demanded a favor from Zelensky, and also ordered Giuliani and Sondland to continue these demands to Ukraine make up a damaging story about Biden via his son
• He illegally withheld $400m of US taxpayer money that both GOP and Dems in Congress wanted to go to Ukraine

The Ukrainians knew the money was withheld and what was needed to be done to get it.

Trump only released the funds when he was caught.

If there case has to be explained to the US public in 30+ minutes, people won't listen. Hell, my 5 bullet points might be too much.

You need a maximum of  3, two to four word soundbites.  Think of British Tabloid headlines.  Trump is a master of this with 

• No collusion
• no quid pro quo
• Build the Wall

Add in some nicknames or turn a name into an adjective like

• Don the Don
• Giuliani the Grenade
• Putin's Puppet 
• He's Trumped

 

[TwiceHorn 31705]

36 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Hero ain't nothing but a sammich. 

We're all familiar with the overpriced toilet seats and allen wrenches. And with billions of dollars lost in the sand. It's where the money gets spent and who gets it. We can do a better job, that's for certain, but whose ox gets gored? 

Right now the grift is out in the open. No quiet kickbacks or connections like a proper corrupt official. This man straight up figures out how to make us pay for everything. How much time has he spent playing golf? Completely blown his Secret Service budget. It's stunning. 

And I am supposed to believe that I should worry about a trillion dollars in debt?

Well, maybe at some point in the game. But, right at the moment he's got a tweet machine and he can start a goddamn war over alien reptile spies in the Sudan.

Polls might not be great and maybe it's not ideal for the Democratic party to make R leaning indies uncomfortable, but it had to be done. 

Every day on the right side of the dirt with a mostly intact society is a daily blessing. 

I thought maybe he'd grow into it. It was a foolish idea that he could be like Chet Arthur. I didn't expect that the GOP would so totally be willing to sell out. Lindsey Graham. He's probably the poster child. But, every single one of them now has to kowtow, at all times, and if they can't bear to do it they run away. 

The only voices that have been long associated with the GOP that are willing to look at the facts of this administration and admit that they can't abide them no longer have any power. Zero. Shut out. 

The Democrats are far from perfect. Never have been. But, right now they are the party of truth, justice, and the American way in comparison to this bunch of stupid, hateful people. 

I don't disagree with any of that.  But the context is my feeling of ennui at having to abandon the "conservative" party.

For now, I am totally on board with not-Trump.  But that doesn't satisfy me for the longer term (I believe there will be a longer term).  

I can't vote GOP until it is seriously reconstituted and I'm not completely content with voting Democrat, particularly if there's no credible, classically conservative loyal opposition.

[Biff Tannen 45784]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't disagree with any of that.  But the context is my feeling of ennui at having to abandon the "conservative" party.

For now, I am totally on board with not-Trump.  But that doesn't satisfy me for the longer term (I believe there will be a longer term).  

I can't vote GOP until it is seriously reconstituted and I'm not completely content with voting Democrat, particularly if there's no credible, classically conservative loyal opposition.

So it just sounds like you're depressed that the GOP turned out to be a bunch of lying con artists.  That's understandable.

[Brisketexan 105691]

I don't disagree with any of that.  But the context is my feeling of ennui at having to abandon the "conservative" party.
For now, I am totally on board with not-Trump.  But that doesn't satisfy me for the longer term (I believe there will be a longer term).  
I can't vote GOP until it is seriously reconstituted and I'm not completely content with voting Democrat, particularly if there's no credible, classically conservative loyal opposition.

How about the realization that there has NEVER been a classically Conservative party here. It has always been a lie. I don’t believe that classical conservativism actually exists outside of academic hypotheticals, much like “true communism.” Both are fantasies used to sell control.

[Tom 2960]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

There will only be expansion of the deficit under Warren or Sanders specifically. 

 

So, assuming you're right, basically the status quo only most Americans are far better off.

[Tuco 5085]

Schiff should subpoena Nunes.

[Tuco 5085]

“Ranking Minority Member Subpoenaed by the Committee He Chaired”.
What’s the payout on that? Where’s that betting site?

[TwiceHorn 31705]

39 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

So it just sounds like you're depressed that the GOP turned out to be a bunch of lying con artists.  That's understandable.

More or less.  I mean they're all con artists to one degree or another.

But I think that was BrickHorn's point, which I agreed with, is all.

Edited November 23, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[henrygandorf 29201]

7 minutes ago, Tuco said:

“Ranking Minority Member Subpoenaed by the Committee He Chaired”.
What’s the payout on that? Where’s that betting site?

rudy used to run sdny and now is being investigated by them.  lots of new ground here recently. 

[TwiceHorn 31705]

28 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

How about the realization that there has NEVER been a classically Conservative party here. It has always been a lie. I don’t believe that classical conservativism actually exists outside of academic hypotheticals, much like “true communism.” Both are fantasies used to sell control.

Ehhh, I think that's going a little too far.

And again, political parties are all about control.  From time to time obtaining and maintaining that control coincides with propelling the country forward.  And on occasion it goes completely off the rails as it has.

Leave the Democrats without loyal opposition and you think that's gonna turn out well?

[bad_teammate 13339]

As Netenyahu said today, we need to investigate the investigators.

[shnsajax 3592]

Schiff should subpoena Nunes.

Yeah I was going to ask how that works.

[brown water 3784]

5 hours ago, lemonlime said:

 

 

Party of traitors

 

Honestly I never expected the illiterate to be such fans of alliteration. 

[Brisketexan 105691]

Ehhh, I think that's going a little too far.
And again, political parties are all about control.  From time to time obtaining and maintaining that control coincides with propelling the country forward.  And on occasion it goes completely off the rails as it has.
Leave the Democrats without loyal opposition and you think that's gonna turn out well?

Absolutely not.
But there’s never been a loyal opposition. Let the delusions fall away. Realize that reality is more moderated than the fantastical lies we’ve been told.

[Underdog 28890]

The Ratings would be off the hook! 

[cactusflinthead 27615]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ehhh, I think that's going a little too far.

And again, political parties are all about control.  From time to time obtaining and maintaining that control coincides with propelling the country forward.  And on occasion it goes completely off the rails as it has.

Leave the Democrats without loyal opposition and you think that's gonna turn out well?

That's the problem. That loyal part. Where is Lindsey Graham's loyalty?

He and others will be there to be in opposition to whatever comes. To stand athwart the tides of history and holler stop! 

That's all McConnell had as a plan. Break norms, rewrite rules, and obstruct everything. 

I'm not worried about the Democrats being unopposed. 

[TwiceHorn 31705]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

That's the problem. That loyal part. Where is Lindsey Graham's loyalty?

He and others will be there to be in opposition to whatever comes. To stand athwart the tides of history and holler stop! 

That's all McConnell had as a plan. Break norms, rewrite rules, and obstruct everything. 

I'm not worried about the Democrats being unopposed. 

Rest assured, I'm not talking about the current situation.

I'm talking about the longer term.

Hence the use of the term "loyal."

[Biff Tannen 45784]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

And on occasion it goes completely off the rails as it has.

I don't believe there has been a time in our history as a country that we have gone off the rails this badly based purely on one party's actions and lies.  I'm willing to learn.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Come on Chairman Schiff, get Devin’s ass. GET HIM!

[NWBuck 8598]

This certainly looks interesting... 

https://www.americanoversight.org/state-department-releases-ukraine-documents-to-american-oversight

[cactusflinthead 27615]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Rest assured, I'm not talking about the current situation.

I'm talking about the longer term.

Hence the use of the term "loyal."

Start this again. 

I can't fix your party. It's going to have to be you, Brisket, GoLL, SbBruin, and the rest. They don't need redneck hippies. 

It's not going to be easy getting him off that ledge.

[Bruh Man 3160]

He big mad. 

 

[Biff Tannen 45784]

What a snowflake.

[David Dennison 19136]

12 minutes ago, NWBuck said:

This certainly looks interesting... 

https://www.americanoversight.org/state-department-releases-ukraine-documents-to-american-oversight

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Wow. Watch the video. When it’s a laid out....wow.

And Nunes went on this trip last December - deliberately. Why is that important?

Because it was after the Republicans lost control of the House but before the Democrats actually took control in January. So they were able to put a generic line in the congressional record about a “trip to Europe” with zero details.

If it happens after January, the Democrats in control would have pressed him for more information.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 hours ago, GRHorn said:

There will only be expansion of the deficit under Warren or Sanders specifically. Hell, Sanders senior economic adviser is a major proponent of Modern Monetary Theory. 
 

https://twitter.com/StephanieKelton

 

Stop pretending like you give a fuck about fiscal responsibility you hypocritical sack of shit.

Don’t ever bring it up again.

[triplehorn 2664]

11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

 

This is crazy.  Trump obstructed Congress from getting info from State Dept that was just publicly released to American Oversight??  There some kind of disturbance in the space time continuum happening ?

[atomheartbevo 90142]

Could you imagine if Nunes was sitting in front being question, and what Gym Jordan and Co. would be saying?

[Brisketexan 105691]

Could you imagine if Nunes was sitting in front being question, and what Gym Jordan and Co. would be saying?

Fuck congressional hearings. He needs to be in an orange jumpsuit. Members of Congress don’t get impeached. They get arrested, convicted, and sentenced. Fuck that treasonous piece of shit.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Nunez is obviously compromised because of Russian money. Anyone who thinks otherwise is stupider than he is. 

Republicans love the government because things like private prisons stock full of low level pot users pays the bills and keeps the private/government graft going. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a flat out moron. 

Trump loves the government because as president he can make a shitload more money than he otherwise would have since he’s otherwise broke as shit. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a flat out moron. 

The death of the Republican Party cannot come soon enough. 

[Bruh Man 3160]

Ever since George W. Bush's presidency, Republicans have been believing more & more in the UNITARY EXECUTIVE THEORY.

The unitary executive theory essentially means that "the president is king and if the president orders you to do something, you do it no matter what".

Of course, Republicans only believe in this theory when there's a Republican in the White House. Also, Congress in the past 50 years has delegated more and more power to the Executive Branch (aka the Presidency).
 

[Horn Dog 10062]

If all we get out of all this is Nunez in jail, I will be totally satisfied 

[Bookman 4730]

We need to investigate Barr, Pompeo, Pence, and our dear ex-Governor, Rick Perry.

[Biff Tannen 45784]

7 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

If all we get out of all this is Nunez in jail, I will be totally satisfied 

Well, no, but it's a good start.

[hookem17 485]

Schiff needs to have Parnas testify before Thanksgiving and implicate Nunes. The republicans are going to trash Parnas for being a criminal, but we’re already seeing some emails that confirm Nunes’ involvement. 
 

edit: Dems have filed an ethics complaint against Nunes due to his failure to recuse himself:

He’s not going down without a fight, though: 

 

Edited November 23, 2019 by hookem17

[kevwun 15950]

It was always an easy assumption that Nunes was involved in this shit because his water carrying efforts didn’t make sense for any other reason.  Nice to see it confirmed though.  I don’t know how they will be able to keep him involved in the hearings as soon as this is proven by evidence.