impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[purplepride95 6890]

 

[Fozzz 152]

14 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Did you buy his argument back then, Fozz?

i though it was silly to impeach a president over a blowjob 

[henrygandorf 29191]

55 minutes ago, Zavala said:

A whistleblower is someone who witnesses a crime or wrongdoing, he didn't witness anything first hand, and he used a whistleblower report for someone who works for the Intel agencies, which is incorrect for the office of the president. Keep trying to compare it to other dumb fuck examples though.

his report was deemed legit, corroborated, and marked urgent by a trump appointee.  would've been very easy to knock it down and bury it otherwise.  he didn't leak it, he did his job and went through the proper channels.

56 minutes ago, Zavala said:

It's all the Democraps strategy is anymore, just throw fake shit at Trump endlessly. They can't even pin down anything, it's the same as the special council, they are trying to leak and make up things about Trump, when he defends himself they call it obstruction. It's semantics. 

if the shit was fake, it should've been very easy to allow certain fact witnesses to testify to exonerate him.  the fact is we saw zero fact witnesses of any kind from the right.  zero witnesses that said anything that refuted what the witnesses called by intel had already said.  innocent people don't block every single witness and every single document from subpoena. 

trump's only "defense" is "well, they didn't like him and wanted to impeach him for a long time".  i guess in the future, if a president is disliked by the other side, it gives them free reign to do whatever they want for the next 4 years.  that sounds fair.

1 hour ago, Zavala said:

Also, none of this shit is going to stick, just like the Mueller nonsense.

if stick = removal, of course it won't.  nobody thinks it will.  it wouldn't stick with a 60-40 dem majority in the senate.  but you don't stop arresting and prosecuting criminals who break the law just because you already know the jury is crooked.  america doesn't work like that.

[triplehorn 2664]

 

but of course.  hope the WH doc has the tranq darts handy

[Biff Tannen 45685]

5 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

 

but of course.  hope the WH doc has the tranq darts handy

 

[hayden_horn 11362]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

it's not that they cannot tell the difference, it's just that they don't fucking care about it.

[henrygandorf 29191]

every time i hear "no pressure" i think of rain man.

 

am i using you?  am i using you, raymond?

yes.

shut up.  he is answering a question, from a half-hour ago.

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

9 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

 

but of course.  hope the WH doc has the tranq darts handy

The Senate will not remove Trump if he makes it to January w/o another 'health issue,' but someone should probably keep the following out of his updates unless they want to hasten his complete meltdown:

The NRA, whose spending (according to filed documents) increased by over $100 million to $419 million in 2016 has the sketchy 'dark money' cloud hanging over its head. So do some of the politicians who have accepted the money and don't see a problem with consorting with spies, oligarchs, and owners of illustrious companies such as Fraud Guarantee.

[Fozzz 152]

I prefer Adam Schitt to shifty Schiff.  

[Enchubben 5510]

43 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have no reason to be tolerant of you and your kind.  You are destroying this country.  You deserve nothing but INtolerance.  I said it two years ago and I believe it now -- the gloves need to be off and they need to stay off.  Enough with the bullshit namby pamby approach to politics on the part of the left -- the right plays dirty, we'll play dirty.  We'll take you down and laugh at you while we're doing it.  You don't deserve pity.

In case you missed it the first time around, fuck you.

Lol. Ok dude. Don’t let all that hate burn you up.

[Pasken 1309]

If republicans turn the trial into a farce and only call who Trump wants then it's going to hurt them in the 2020 senate selections. They need to at least look like they are doing their fucking jobs.

[jimmyjazz 45952]

Just now, Enchubben said:

Lol. Ok dude. Don’t let all that hate burn you up.

Roger Wilco.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

12 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

every time i hear "no pressure" i think of rain man.

 

am i using you?  am i using you, raymond?

yes.

shut up.  he is answering a question, from a half-hour ago.

 

Kmart OU sucks.

[DDD Dad 14339]

1 hour ago, shnsajax said:

This foz guy can go fuck himself.

Stop quoting and responding, put him on ignore.

Sad Japanese girl with cigarette Fozzz >>> Jane Greer with gun Fozzz.

[yoladu 4094]

3 hours ago, Fozzz said:

If you think the Russians meaningfully influenced the 2016 election then your grasp of reality is about as tenuous as the average poster on the TexAgs politics board.  Even hacks like Nate Silver will admit that there's no evidence that foreign intervention had any import whatsoever.

this post is Exhibit A on exactly how effective the Russian influence efforts have been and continue to be.

They've got Americans disseminating Russian talking points. (I assume you are an American).

Edited December 10, 2019 by yoladu

[DDD Dad 14339]

6 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

I prefer Adam Schitt to shifty Schiff.  

 

[hayden_horn 11362]

16 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The Senate will not remove Trump if he makes it to January w/o another 'health issue,' but someone should probably keep the following out of his updates unless they want to hasten his complete meltdown:

The NRA, whose spending (according to filed documents) increased by over $100 million to $419 million in 2016 has the sketchy 'dark money' cloud hanging over its head. So do some of the politicians who have accepted the money and don't see a problem with consorting with spies, oligarchs, and owners of illustrious companies such as Fraud Guarantee.

that dark russian nra money tho

[Zavala 1384]

33 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

his report was deemed legit, corroborated, and marked urgent by a trump appointee.  would've been very easy to knock it down and bury it otherwise.  he didn't leak it, he did his job and went through the proper channels.

if the shit was fake, it should've been very easy to allow certain fact witnesses to testify to exonerate him.  the fact is we saw zero fact witnesses of any kind from the right.  zero witnesses that said anything that refuted what the witnesses called by intel had already said.  innocent people don't block every single witness and every single document from subpoena. 

trump's only "defense" is "well, they didn't like him and wanted to impeach him for a long time".  i guess in the future, if a president is disliked by the other side, it gives them free reign to do whatever they want for the next 4 years.  that sounds fair.

if stick = removal, of course it won't.  nobody thinks it will.  it wouldn't stick with a 60-40 dem majority in the senate.  but you don't stop arresting and prosecuting criminals who break the law just because you already know the jury is crooked.  america doesn't work like that.

They did not allow any witnessess that weren't vetted by Shit.

They are being attacked and slandered by Dems who will twist and use the control over the media to spin whatever shit they want, why would the WH comply?

Remember what 0bomba did to "whisteblowers"? 

Remember what 0bomba turned over during the investigation into the fast and furious thing?

The judicial branch is the ones between the congress and WH when there's a disagreement, there's 3 branches, let them do their job. 

Either way, the dems are broke, they don't have the money to campaign, they haven't done anything with the majority in congress, so their strategy is to attack Trump to try and get the twitter types all riled up.

It's a horrible mistake, pandering to a twitter audience is not going to win elections. Most people just don't care or are somewhere in the center politically. They tend to be repelled by things, rather than be attracted to things. 

Ya gonna lose.

[hayden_horn 11362]

lulz. 0bomba is a new one.

[Zavala 1384]

10 minutes ago, yoladu said:

this post is Exhibit A on exactly how effective the Russian influence efforts have been and continue to be.

They've got Americans disseminating Russian talking points. (I assume you are an American).

Man the Russians are super powerful for a bunch of AIDS infected dumbfuck drunks with no economy.

[Fozzz 152]

 

11 minutes ago, yoladu said:

this post is Exhibit A on exactly how effective the Russian influence efforts have been and continue to be.

They've got Americans disseminating Russian talking points. (I assume you are an American).

If Putin says the sky is blue does such a statement also become a Russian talking point?  

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

I'm excited about impeachment since the bowl schedule sucks this year.

[yoladu 4094]

3 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

 

If Putin says the sky is blue does such a statement also become a Russian talking point?  

Вы легко этим манипулируете или сознательно выполняете приказы Путина?

[RomaVicta 29907]

45 minutes ago, Party_Taco said:

Listening to the circular logic and outright distortions put forth by McCarthy and Scalise is maddening.

Talking about democrats ignoring facts while they twist the truth and allow this criminal to shun long established laws and norms makes me sick.

Fuck all these traitors.

The Dem said that impeachment should be bi-partisan. Thanks, Dem, for providing us with cover for uniting against recognizing the facts against Trump. We merely need to keep our lock step caucus in line no matter what the individuals might think of the charges. (We're so clever using shamelessness to defeat your point!)

There is no evidence! Where are the witnesses who can testify first hand? This is a sham! (I will say this loudly so my base will forget that Trump has forbidden executive branch witnesses to testify.)

Adam Schiff is a coward because we call him a special prosecutor, but he won't appear before the committee and testify in that role. (Tee hee, we're so good at shameless sophistry and lying! We don't mind yelling that people who honor their oaths are cowards while we completely commit ourselves to an obvious liar and coward and criminal.) 

The absurd theater of GOPs supposedly investigating these charges before the cameras disgusts me in its dishonesty and absolute disregard for this country. They can do a jig and lie about the meaning of an acquittal for Trump should it come, but they have identified themselves and their followers as despicable collaborators with foreign enemies and persons of zero integrity.

An America that understood its own history and the experiment that is self-government would frog march these villains to the gallows. But we're not that America. 

To adapt from Oliver Stone's Nixon, I look at Schiff and see what I want the country to be. I look at Trump and see what this country is. Self-absorbed, distracted, narrowly educated, and slaves to their immediate emotions.

Trump's acquittal, should it happen, will solidify us as a banana republic. At some point it will get bloody.
 

[Zavala 1384]

1 minute ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I'm excited about impeachment since the bowl schedule sucks this year.

Yeah there's been some BOMBSHELL FIREWORKS so far

[Brisketexan 105139]

1 hour ago, Eastwood said:

And you certainly don't ask a foreign government to do the investigating. You let them know that you want to investigate and ask them (in most cases tell them) to cooperate with the FBI, who will be on their way shortly.

Stop.  Stop using their gaslighting characterization.

The important fact is the one that the GOP repeatedly ignores and mischaracterizes -- Trump asked Ukraine to ANNOUNCE an investigation.  Ukraine making a public statement was a specific ask.  And is a specific crime.  And is specifically ignored and mischaracterized by the gaslighting GOP.

Don't repeat their lies.  Fuck them up the ass with their lies.*

* The problem is, the platoon of closeted types in the GOP will enjoy that.

[henrygandorf 29191]

6 minutes ago, Zavala said:

They did not allow any witnessess that weren't vetted by Shit.

ok, i'll play along.

which fact witnesses were presented by the gop and denied by schiff?  what evidence would they present that would refute the evidence brought forward against trump?

the republicans complained (rightfully so) that there were no witnesses testifying that had first hand/conversational knowledge of the specifics of the withheld aid and the requests/demands the president was making.  the problem is that all the witnesses called that fit this description, defied their subpoenas.  mulvaney, pompeo, bolton, perry, pence, trump.

come back at me with actual answers, not "but obama" and i'll be happy to take you seriously.  it would be a better effort than the republicans have shown during this entire process.

[sidis 9828]

1 minute ago, Zavala said:

Yeah there's been some BOMBSHELL FIREWORKS so far

people definitely take you and your opinions seriously.

[WhatTheBuck 28781]

1 hour ago, Party_Taco said:

Listening to the circular logic and outright distortions put forth by McCarthy and Scalise is maddening.

Talking about democrats ignoring facts while they twist the truth and allow this criminal to shun long established laws and norms makes me sick.

Fuck all these traitors.

McCarthy, who we've heard recorded in a private meeting saying he thinks the Russians are paying Trump. I guess he's decided that maybe he can get paid too. He's probably right and he'll probably come cheap. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26460]

They did not allow any witnessess that weren't vetted by Shit.
They are being attacked and slandered by Dems who will twist and use the control over the media to spin whatever shit they want, why would the WH comply?
Remember what 0bomba did to "whisteblowers"? 
Remember what 0bomba turned over during the investigation into the fast and furious thing?

Exactly- The Republicans just want to ask “where’s Ali with the muthafucking dope?”

[Chad Fuck 17681]

 

[henrygandorf 29191]

32 minutes ago, Pasken said:

If republicans turn the trial into a farce and only call who Trump wants then it's going to hurt them in the 2020 senate selections. They need to at least look like they are doing their fucking jobs.

this part is interesting to me. 

there's a clear divide right now between mcconnell - who wants a speedy trial and an acquittal.  he wants to make it a quick blip, and go on to make sure it doesn't affect any 2020 election (this is the smart move, btw) - and trump, who wants a long, drawn out, theatrical trial - where he can call (and i guess embarrass?) joe biden, hunter biden, adam schiff, the whistleblower, etc.  he wants to (continue to) make a mockery of the whole process, because he actually believes this will help any election in 2020 (i really hope this happens).

trump is dreaming of relitigating every single gripe he's had in the last 3-4 years in this "impeachment" trial.  he's the only one still fighting to tweak the results of the 2016 election, oddly enough.

[Loco 3752]

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

out of the fucking woodwork this morning. weird, isn't it?

It's traitor season

[FondrenRoad 4378]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

this part is interesting to me. 

there's a clear divide right now between mcconnell - who wants a speedy trial and an acquittal.  he wants to make it a quick blip, and go on to make sure it doesn't affect any 2020 election (this is the smart move, btw) - and trump, who wants a long, drawn out, theatrical trial - where he can call (and i guess embarrass?) joe biden, hunter biden, adam schiff, the whistleblower, etc.  he wants to (continue to) make a mockery of the whole process, because he actually believes this will help any election in 2020 (i really hope this happens).

trump is dreaming of relitigating every single gripe he's had in the last 3-4 years in this "impeachment" trial.  he's the only one still fighting to tweak the results of the 2016 election, oddly enough.

It will be funny when Trump offers to give his testimony in the Senate and McConnell refuses to let him.  "We got this for you, my king.  You can only fuck it up."

[Brisketexan 105139]

1 minute ago, Loco said:

It's traitor season

Cool.  I've still got all my tags.

[FTR, I'm making a riff on the old Texas hunting season joke, not actually threatening to shoot, tag, and display on my wall a bunch of traitors.  Plus, it would be really hard to get the mount right -- tough to tell their head from their ass.]

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

McConnell had to have been holding the budget over Pelosi's head back when they met at the end of October. I don't know what bargain they made, but I hope she played her cards well. It's easy to sit and lob criticism from the cheap seats, but I try and remember that I don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

[yoladu 4094]

32 minutes ago, Zavala said:

They did not allow any witnessess that weren't vetted by Shit.

Dude?

If someone had spoken up and was willing to testify and refute even a portion of the sworn testimony, that witness would have been allowed to speak.

But alas, there is no such person.

The facts are no longer in question. We know what happened. So, The GOP defense now has to pivot to "yeah, he did all that, but it is not an impeachable defense".

Unfortunately for them, that case is very weak, because to assert it was not an impeachable defense, they have to show that Trump was motivated by things other than his own personal political gain. That is why you find them (Johnson, Cruz, Kennedy) out over their skis, peddling baseless theories on Burisma, Joe Biden, Crowdstrike, a DNC server, and Ukranian interference in the 2016 Elections.

And then you got 41% of Americans, in which the majority of the Senate are beholden and scared shitless of, who don't even care if Trump purposely withheld Congressionally approved money to a foreign country in an attempt to hurt a political opponent.

GOP leadership knows that shit is wrong, but profiles in courage really aren't the forte of your average US Congressman or Senator.

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by yoladu

[henrygandorf 29191]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Cool.  I've still got all my tags.

[FTR, I'm making a riff on the old Texas hunting season joke, not actually threatening to shoot, tag, and display on my wall a bunch of traitors.  Plus, it would be really hard to get the mount right -- tough to tell their head from their ass.]

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

3 minutes ago, Loco said:

It's traitor season

It doesn't help that two flagship universities will be playing football in the Eh Bowl and the Meh Bowl. $12 million dollars a year combined roughly to make two annual salaries of salubrious mediocrity.

 

Back to impeachment:

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

34 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

lulz. 0bomba is a new one.

The right is getting better at comedy and the dems are scared about it blah blah blah. 

So does this mean Obama was the bomb, that he bombed, or that he liked to play la bamba. So many clever options here. 

[TwiceHorn 31471]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

his report was deemed legit, corroborated, and marked urgent by a trump appointee.  would've been very easy to knock it down and bury it otherwise.  he didn't leak it, he did his job and went through the proper channels.

if the shit was fake, it should've been very easy to allow certain fact witnesses to testify to exonerate him.  the fact is we saw zero fact witnesses of any kind from the right.  zero witnesses that said anything that refuted what the witnesses called by intel had already said.  innocent people don't block every single witness and every single document from subpoena. 

trump's only "defense" is "well, they didn't like him and wanted to impeach him for a long time".  i guess in the future, if a president is disliked by the other side, it gives them free reign to do whatever they want for the next 4 years.  that sounds fair.

if stick = removal, of course it won't.  nobody thinks it will.  it wouldn't stick with a 60-40 dem majority in the senate.  but you don't stop arresting and prosecuting criminals who break the law just because you already know the jury is crooked.  america doesn't work like that.

Good post.  

 

For all that, it was unwise for Schiff to start barking about bringing the whistleblower forward.  It was entirely predictable that it would bring threats of reprisal to the whistleblower.  That's why we have whistleblower laws that protect them and their anonymity for as long as possible.  He should have realized that and that backing off his loud public pronouncements would be "red meat for the base."

Schiff has been pretty good during these hearings, but he does some inexplicably dumb stuff sometimes.

[tx 3 putt 76958]

38 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Ya gonna lose.

 

most likely, but Trump won't be able to keep his mouth shut the whole time and high likely he'll make the whole situation worst for him and senate repubs. the only hope is he makes it so bad that enough senate repubs turn on him 

trump is his own worst enemy 

[RomaVicta 29907]

44 minutes ago, Zavala said:

T

Remember what 0bomba did to "whisteblowers"? 

Remember what 0bomba turned over during the investigation into the fast and furious thing?

The judicial branch is the ones between the congress and WH when there's a disagreement, there's 3 branches, let them do their job. 

Either way, the dems are broke, they don't have the money to campaign, they haven't done anything with the majority in congress, so their strategy is to attack Trump to try and get the twitter types all riled up.

It's a horrible mistake, pandering to a twitter audience is not going to win elections. Most people just don't care or are somewhere in the center politically. They tend to be repelled by things, rather than be attracted to things. 

Ya gonna lose.

They did not allow any witnessess that weren't vetted by Shit. [Any reason these exculpatory witnesses couldn't have found another avenue to right this terrible wrong? As you know, Trump is inhibiting and likely intimidating witnesses; does this strike you as innocent behavior?]

They are being attacked and slandered by Dems who will twist and use the control over the media to spin whatever shit they want, why would the WH comply? [Who has the Reynolds Wrap on their cabeza now? Even if the Dems were as shameless as the Republicans in their treatment of witnesses, are you saying these mythological exculpatory witnesses are too snowflakey to stand up to it? Do they need dimmed lights and soft questions to illicit their delicate truths about the real President Trump? You're not stupid, but maybe you're irony deaf.]

Remember what 0bomba did...? [C'mon]

The judicial branch is the ones between the congress and WH when there's a disagreement, there's 3 branches, let them do their job. [Yay! Of course, it will be difficult with Republicans violating their oaths.]

Either way, the dems are broke, they don't have the money to campaign, they haven't done anything with the majority in congress, so their strategy is to attack Trump to try and get the twitter types all riled up. [Willful lying on your part. You know that Congress has passed over 400 bills, a large majority bi-partisan, that Mitch is sitting on in the senate perhaps to give life to your lie

It's a horrible mistake, pandering to a twitter audience is not going to win elections. Most people just don't care or are somewhere in the center politically. They tend to be repelled by things, rather than be attracted to things. [Blah blah blah]

Ya gonna lose. [If so, the entire country other than about 1% loses. That 1% never loses. It must be an honor serving them.]

Negged for disingenuity and dishonesty. Betraying your country (if this is your country) deserves worse than a neg which I wish for you and your kind. You make yourself my enemy.

Edited December 10, 2019 by RomaVicta

[Mapache 1117]

2 hours ago, Brian Fantana said:

They do have much better quality of life up there than we do, so not an awful idea.

A better idea is to ship Trump and his cult members off to be with their brethren in Russia 

[henrygandorf 29191]

Just now, Mapache said:

A better idea is to ship Trump and his cult members off to be with their brethren in Russia 

congressional gop retirement plan.

40 acres and a mule.  in siberia.

[Foosters 17856]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

They did not allow any witnessess that weren't vetted by Shit. [Any reason these exculpatory witnesses couldn't have found another avenue to right this terrible wrong? As you know, Trump is inhibiting and likely intimidating witnesses; does this strike you as innocent behavior?]

They are being attacked and slandered by Dems who will twist and use the control over the media to spin whatever shit they want, why would the WH comply? [Who has the Reynolds Wrap on their cabeza now? Even if the Dems were as shameless as the Republicans in their treatment of witnesses, are you saying these mythological exculpatory witnesses are too snowflakey to stand up to it? Do they need dimmed lights and soft questions to illicit their delicate truths about the real President Trump? You're not stupid, but maybe your irony deaf.]

Remember what 0bomba did...? [C'mon]

The judicial branch is the ones between the congress and WH when there's a disagreement, there's 3 branches, let them do their job. [Yay! Of course, it will be difficult with Republicans violating their oaths.]

Either way, the dems are broke, they don't have the money to campaign, they haven't done anything with the majority in congress, so their strategy is to attack Trump to try and get the twitter types all riled up. [Willful lying on your part. You know that Congress has passed over 400 bills, a large majority bi-partisan, that Mitch is sitting on in the senate perhaps to give life to your lie

It's a horrible mistake, pandering to a twitter audience is not going to win elections. Most people just don't care or are somewhere in the center politically. They tend to be repelled by things, rather than be attracted to things. [Blah blah blah]

Ya gonna lose. [If so, the entire country other than about 1% loses. That 1% never loses. It must be an honor serving them.]

Negged for disingenuity and dishonesty. Betraying your country (if this is your country) deserves worse than a neg which I wish for you and your kind. You make yourself my enemy.

Whoa....one at at time. Zavala can only ignore one question at a time.

[Celery Man 20949]

Wait I thought Zavala was a stupid old fuck, not a stupid young fuck

[jimmyjazz 45952]

33 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The important fact is the one that the GOP repeatedly ignores and mischaracterizes -- Trump asked Ukraine to ANNOUNCE an investigation.

Let's not forget that Trump and Mick Mulvaney ADMITTED doing this.

[Tuco 5076]

1 minute ago, Celery Man said:

Wait I thought Zavala was a stupid old fuck, not a stupid young fuck

Why so judgmental? Can't we just agree that he's a stupid fuck and leave it at that.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

congressional gop retirement plan.

40 acres and a mule.  in siberia.

*hectares. we gotta get our units straight