impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Tuco 5076]

So, why was Marie Yovanovitch a target for Rudy, Lev, Igor?  Looking at timing:

She was appointed to the position in Aug of 2016.  I'm not really any attacks on her until March 20, 2019.  

On March 5, 2019, she gave a speech to the Ukraine Crisis Media Center, where she referenced several issues for corruption.  One I think is particularly interesting: 

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To ensure the integrity of anticorruption institutions, the Special Anticorruption Prosecutor must be replaced. Nobody who has been recorded coaching suspects on how to avoid corruption charges can be trusted to prosecute those very same cases.

The Special Anti-corruption prosecutor is a position under the Prosecutor General - (Lutshenko at the time). They are charged with working with the NABU (National Anti-corruption bureau of Ukraine) which is independent of the Prosecutor General. 

15 days later, John Solomon is wrote an article where Lutshenko claims that Yovanovitch gave him a "do not prosecute" list, a claim he later recanted on.  Less than two months after her speech, she is recalled by Trump. 

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

i think the story is that rudy and some corrupt ukrainians had been working on trump to can her for a while before that.

[hayden_horn 11362]

2 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

i think the story is that rudy and some corrupt ukrainians had been working on trump to can her for a while before that.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

49 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

cross posting from trump thread:

 totes normal

https://apnews.com/b5ca596edb800391679d9d75162b73ea

full text of unhinged six page ranting letter on official white house letterhead:

 

He cray. 

[Burt 4080]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Not holding my breath, not holding my breath, but please let the dam break....

 

[jimmyjazz 45919]

Mitch is looking to take a vote on dismissal of the articles of impeachment after opening statements.  Won't shock me a bit.  Do it, Mitch, you fucking traitor.

[David Dennison 18856]

23 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Not holding my breath, not holding my breath, but please let the dam break....

 

He's a Democrat. Dam is safe.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

He's a Democrat. Dam is safe.

Heavens, he is? That's what I get for skimming. I need to just set it aside for awhile especially since nothing much is going to come of it once it goes to McConnell.

[David Dennison 18856]

1 minute ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Heavens, he is? That's what I get for skimming. I need to just set it aside for awhile especially since nothing much is going to come of it once it goes to McConnell.

Yep. First Democrat to come out and say he's going to vote yes on one article (abuse of power) and no on the other (obstruction of Congress). 

[hayden_horn 11362]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Yep. First Democrat to come out and say he's going to vote yes on one article (abuse of power) and no on the other (obstruction of Congress). 

which is cowardice. the case for obstruction of congress is plain as day.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

28 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Mitch is looking to take a vote on dismissal of the articles of impeachment after opening statements.  Won't shock me a bit.  Do it, Mitch, you fucking traitor.

Would he have 51 votes for that? Not sure if Murkowski, Collins and Romney would be on board for that. I'm probably naive in that thought. 

[Sbbruin 21850]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s like he strung 200 tweets together and put it in letter form.  In fact, that’s probably how he wrote it.

Exactly.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[Chuckie Finster 22694]

35 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

which is cowardice. the case for obstruction of congress is plain as day.

right?  if he's going to vote for one, obstruction seems like the far easier one to justify.  

Edited December 17, 2019 by Chuckie Finster

[Biff Tannen 45681]

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

right?  if he's going to vote for one, obstruction seems like the far easier one to justify.  

Seriously.  Abuse of power at least has some basis in subjectivity.  Obstruction is fucking obvious as fuck.

[Pasken 1309]

All times Eastern. 

 

9AM: Debate on rules of day

10AM: Vote on rules of day

- 6 hours of debate with lunch likely thrown in there.

- Impeachment Vote

- Vote on Impeachment Managers for Senate Trial (Prosecution) 

[henrygandorf 29190]

when you’re looking for some updates on the rallies, but stumble onto breitbart...

[burntorangebongos 10710]

Schiff, right?

[TexArcher 37774]

5 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

Schiff, right?

Literacy isn't really the right wing's cup of tea.

[Gil Bang 25951]

So, these demonstrations; 

I met some friends for a late lunch in Del Mar today.  Driving up the 5, there were hundreds of protestors with "Impeach and remove" banners on several overpasses.

 

Any of y'all see similar?

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

The turnouts for these are great, I hope the momentum is still there in January. The MAGA rally in Michigan tomorrow may be more lively if Trump goes off script.

 

[David Dennison 18856]

3 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The turnouts for these are great, I hope the momentum is still there in January. The MAGA rally in Michigan tomorrow may be more lively if Trump goes off script.

 

Awww, his first rally as an impeached president. 

That's one for the scrap book.

[Pasken 1309]

7 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The turnouts for these are great, I hope the momentum is still there in January. The MAGA rally in Michigan tomorrow may be more lively if Trump goes off script.

 

I think it’s a matter of time before he loses his temper in front of cameras. Sources to numerous to name say he becomes a bloody maniac.

[David Dennison 18856]

1 minute ago, Pasken said:

I think it’s a matter of time before he loses his temper in front of cameras. Sources to numerous to name say he becomes a bloody maniac.

I just want him to drop an n-bomb. Is that too much to ask?

[henrygandorf 29190]

24 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

The turnouts for these are great, I hope the momentum is still there in January. The MAGA rally in Michigan tomorrow may be more lively if Trump goes off script.

that's adorable that you think there's a script.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[HornOnTheBayou 8921]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

What's the deal with the random capitalization of words from people who work in the capitol?

[henrygandorf 29190]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

i doubt he'll even mention it.

[notre dame joe 187]

12 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

they're really pushing hard on this new narrative that "if the house really wanted to be taken seriously, then they should've called all their witnesses in their investigation."

obviously completely overlooking the stonewalling of the witnesses they did call and want to hear from - the republicans seem mad that the dems didn't go to court for that testimony - a process that would've taken months.

seems like most of the strategy coming from the white house (on just about every matter) is "get everything to the courts, where not only do we control a lot of judges, but shit takes fucking forever."

most impeachment matters, i would imagine, are not ultra time-sensitive.  but when election-meddling is the topic, maybe a little urgency wouldn't hurt.

What need have we for witnesses.  This man tweets for himself!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

when you’re looking for some updates on the rallies, but stumble onto breitbart...


 

Wouldn’t shock me if the misspelling is intentional if only to identify the real loons. Similar to how some scam artists intentionally create the stupidest phony call to reel in the real morons. 

[Bartles 769]

9 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

So, these demonstrations; 

I met some friends for a late lunch in Del Mar today.  Driving up the 5, there were hundreds of protestors with "Impeach and remove" banners on several overpasses.

 

Any of y'all see similar?

I went to the Philly one, probably had 500-700 people. It was in the 30s and rainy all day so that didn't help. But the white, older makeup of the crowd would indicate this was mainly publicized via Twitter. It didn't have the buildup of some other Trump era marches. But it was better than nothing.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Wow. This was right after Lou Dobbs said, "the ignorance is institutionalized," in reference to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats. Wow.

 

[horncyclist 1387]

Things are gonna get ugly. Democrats need to keep investigating everything. I don't know if it will matter but Trump will do whatever he can to get reelected and democrats have to at least try to keep him in check. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5793]

34 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Wow. This was right after Lou Dobbs said, "the ignorance is institutionalized," in reference to Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats. Wow.

 

 

Contrast with this straight fire from Swalwell.... 

 

[Degenerate Gardner 4085]

Let's get this shit started!

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

It's all well and good, I like Swalwell, but there are thugs and bullies in the White House now. Apparently a substantial unchanging portion of America (albeit a minority) seems to be standing in the hallways of the high school rooting them on while they steal everyones' lunch money and then say, "what are you going to do about it?" Impeachment will happen, but Fox is all in with this Administration. I thought they might tone it down, but that outlook is grim. The FCC interprets intentionally slanting or distorting the news very narrowly, but I wonder if a call in complaint (they have a toll-free number) protest would generate enough traction or if it would just get more clicks for them.

Granted, Lou Dobbs et al are just opining and that is their freedom, but some of the other stuff sure seems to cross the line.

[sachick 1189]

[Brandywine 1316]

18 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

It’s like he strung 200 tweets together and put it in letter form.  In fact, that’s probably how he wrote it.

Looks like Stephen Miller wrote it, the lizard. Trump found his soulmate in Miller. 

[Fozzz 152]

lol

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

How many Bloomberg/Steyer ads am I going to see today? 

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

Public speaking isn't one of the clerk's strong suits. 

[kevwun 15783]

26 minutes ago, Brandywine said:

Looks like Stephen Miller wrote it, the lizard. Trump found his soulmate in Miller. 

I knew that Nazi loving shit was involved as soon as I read it.

[Anastasis 23469]

8 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

How many Bloomberg/Steyer ads am I going to see today? 

None if you are watching CSPAN. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Republican Airing of the Grievances occurring. I think it’s six pages long. Coincidence, lol.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

I actually tuned in to listed to the clerk and I am waiting for her to read the Democrats are "real Meanies and need to be stopped!"  It is quite amusing that the Republicans are accusing the Schiff and Nadler with obstruction and everything else the President has done.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

5 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Public speaking isn't one of the clerk's strong suits. 

No, but maybe reading in a monotone is in the public’s best interest? Or were you referring to something else about her delivery and I missed it?

[Biff Tannen 45681]

3 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

It is quite amusing that the Republicans are accusing the Schiff and Nadler with obstruction and everything else the President has done.

I mean, that's what they do.  It's their M.O.

[Biff Tannen 45681]

4 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Republican Airing of the Grievances occurring. I think it’s six pages long. Coincidence, lol.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

It’s almost 10:00 Eastern, if someone could waft the scent of grilling hamberders through their HVAC system in about half an hour, maybe the R’s would stop stalling.