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I voted for Trump/Against Hilary Clinton.   He should be impeached for: Extortion of a foreign government by withholding military assistance to an ally (and benefitting Russia) in exchange

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I'm a couple pages back in this fast-moving thread, but I wanted to respond to this.   I'm pretty close to you in demographics, and I was also a child who echoed his parents' pro-Reagan stance, a

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Unreal. Biden’s son can take home $1m a year from a Ukrainian company he knows nothing about...but our president acts like the CEO of a company with leverage in cutting deals and this shit happens?

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At this point I think I'm for secession. I really don't want to share a country with 63,000,000 Americans who will vote for a corrupt, immoral, incompetent, failed-businessman to become President of the United States. I like Americans with honor, integrity, morals, and intelligence.


The idea that one apparatus can write edicts that mandate how 130+ million ought to live their lives is cockamamie.

Decentralization of money, media and government should be a common goal no matter what side you’re in.
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Another impeachment poll - NBC/WSJ

Overall, I'd say this is a poll that tends to poll at about the average for anti-Trump sentiment, showing him 10 points underwater in approval, compared to the RCP average that is currently -7.5.  (Question 5).  

For supporting impeachment and removal (Q21), it is a tie at 48/48. 

For some of the details though:  

Q20 - based on what you know today about Trump's call and actions...do you approve of the impeachment inquiry being conducted by Congress..?

53% approve/45% disapprove. 

On the "how closely are you following the impeachment" question.  I've heard people state that no one really cares about this impeachment, as compared to previous ones.  The polling would not support this. 

Q19"...can you please tell me if you have followed this news story." - 36% very closely, 37% somewhat closely, 17% not too closely, 10% not closely at all.  That compares to 32/38/19/10 to a similar question Pew had in 1998 for Clinton. 

As far as potential fallout - 

Q22 "if your member of Congress supported impeaching and removing...would this make you more likely to vote for them..."

30% more likely, 33% less likely, 34% would make no difference

Q23 "if your member of Congress opposed impeaching and removing..."

23% more likely, 37% less likely, 38 % no difference. 

So, it's showing more a negative for voting against, rather than for, but the numbers aren't that strong either way. As has been suggested on this poll, it seems unlikely that someone who would vote for a Democrat normally, would suddenly decide not to if they voted to impeach.  And vice-versa. 

Q24 - "Which of the following comes close to how you feel..."

25% Trump has done nothing wrong

22% Trump may have done something wrong, but it does not rise to the level of impeachment

8% Trump's actions in the situation with Ukraine is the first thing he's done to warrant being impeached

44% Trump's previous actions before the situation were already grounds for impeachment. 

To me, those numbers strongly support the Dem's decision to impeach.  Only 25% of the country think the phone call was perfect.  52% of the country feels there has been impeachable offenses, even if only 48% support impeachment and removal.  (I'm guessing the "too close to the election" or nervousness about potential blowback would explain the discrepancy.) So, even if folks aren't agreeing with the practical aspects of impeaching, they agree with the underlying guilt. 

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9 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

 


The idea that one apparatus can write edicts that mandate how 130+ million ought to live their lives is cockamamie.

Decentralization of money, media and government should be a common goal no matter what side you’re in.

 

You support a person who uses the government as his own personal piggy bank you hypocritical piece of garbage.

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If you uncultured swine cannot appreciate a good bisque, I'm not even sure what we are doing here.

What does food have to do with Louisiana being a net negative on the country?  I had some awesome breakfast tacos this morning. Last I checked, I am able to enjoy Mexican food without Mexico being a US state. Might have Japanese food for lunch too. 

It would take less than a year for an independent Louisiana to be the worst place to live in the Western Hemisphere. Drinking water would go to shit almost instantly. New Orleans would go permanently underwater. Federal welfare payments would be gone. The job market there already sucks. You could leverage the LOOP probably, but I'm sure all that money would go to a single person who you would name as your new president.  Gangs and militias would pretty much take over entirely. 

Even MS would have a better shot as an independent country than LA. 

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You support a person who uses the government as his own personal piggy bank you hypocritical piece of garbage.


Ad Hominem attacks online are fun. Who is this person you say I support?

Who do you recommend I support? I’m genuinely curious as to who you feel is worthy of support to the point where your willing to compel others based on their merits.

I’ll wait.
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Ad Hominem attacks online are fun. Who is this person you say I support?

Who do you recommend I support? I’m genuinely curious as to who you feel is worthy of support to the point where your willing to compel others based on their merits.

I’ll wait.

 

You are a Trump supporter. You already have pulled the lever for him and you will again.

 

What i would suggest is that you support somebody who doesn't take funds that have been appropriated by congress for certain purposes and try to use those funds for their own personal benefit. 

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Ad Hominem attacks online are fun. Who is this person you say I support?

Who do you recommend I support? I’m genuinely curious as to who you feel is worthy of support to the point where your willing to compel others based on their merits.

I’ll wait.

 

I don't give a shit who you support or why.  All I know is you are blasting your bullshit across a thread on impeachment.  Start your own fucking thread about whatever nonsense you want to discuss, but stop clogging up this one. 

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Because Libertarian.

They almost always start with their manifesto of things they support that range from benign to moderately arguable, but dig a little deeper and out come the conspiracy theories.  And they don't stop.  Ever.  Doesn't matter the venue or appropriateness thereof.  Rabble rabble rabble.

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Because Libertarian.

They almost always start with their manifesto of things they support that range from benign to moderately arguable, but dig a little deeper and out come the conspiracy theories.  And they don't stop.  Ever.  Doesn't matter the venue or appropriateness thereof.  Rabble rabble rabble.

Literally the opposite of Occam's razor.

 

"The president isn't really a horribly corrupt piece of shit, there's a grand plan behind it all to expose the REAL corruption!!!!"

 

Simple fuck.

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32 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

The idea that one apparatus can write edicts that mandate how 130+ million ought to live their lives is cockamamie.

Decentralization of money, media and government should be a common goal no matter what side you’re in.

 

Then the United States of America should be dissolved.

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The might be the dumbest of the libertarian ideas.  Yes, let Bezos and Zuckerberg bankroll our entire justice system directly then everything will be fine.  Free market solves everything!! 


Such a great example as to why secession should be embraced. The most prosperous societies in the history of the world stemmed from free market capitalism and sound money, including Sweden for you DSAs, so spare me with your hollow ad homs.

The state is clearly your religion.
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You are a Trump supporter. You already have pulled the lever for him and you will again.
 
What i would suggest is that you support somebody who doesn't take funds that have been appropriated by congress for certain purposes and try to use those funds for their own personal benefit. 



I support people that support my principles, whether they are D or R.

But Jacob Hornberger of the LP will get my vote if he gets the nom.

It feels good to shamelessly say so. Who did you vote for last election? I’m sure whoever they were didn’t take tax payer dollars in any kind of way amirite?
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I don't give a shit who you support or why.  All I know is you are blasting your bullshit across a thread on impeachment.  Start your own fucking thread about whatever nonsense you want to discuss, but stop clogging up this one. 



This entire board is nothing but bullshit for the most part. You should know that by now.
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21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Because Libertarian.

They almost always start with their manifesto of things they support that range from benign to moderately arguable, but dig a little deeper and out come the conspiracy theories.  And they don't stop.  Ever.  Doesn't matter the venue or appropriateness thereof.  Rabble rabble rabble.

The Five Minute Rule applies for all libertarians:

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Senator Aqua Buddha, who apparently has been dragoonedinto a nerdvana relitigation of the congressional fight over Internal Improvements -- Christamighty, isn't anything ever really settled? Do we have to fill in the Erie Canal now? -- is not having a very good week in his battle against the Blog's Five Minute Rule regarding anything said or done politically by any member of the Paul family. To recap: the Five Minute Rule states that any member of the Paul family will make sense on any political issue for exactly five minutes. Precisely at the 5:00:01 mark, however, he will say something so far off the rails that you will find yourself looking at him as though he has sprouted a reptilian head out of his sternum. This may include Crazy Uncle Liberty (!)'s discussion of economic problems that suddenly veers into goldbuggery, or Aqua Buddha's concern over government overreach that gets him crossways with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Or, it seems, it also applies to positions once held that become inconvenient when one is trying to sell oneself as a possible president of the United States. The Five Minute Rule appears to have an application in the area of political cowardice, too.

Though with most it's more like a 30 second rule. 5 minutes is the maximum they're capable of sounding sane.

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Civics needs to be taught starting in elementary school and reinforced every couple of years after that.

I've been saying this for at least a couple of decades.  I routinely find myself teaching my teenagers very basic facts about American history and government structure.  Believe me, I am no wonk -- there are dozens if not hundreds of people on this board who could school me on a civics test -- but for pity's sake, we learned the basics starting in about 3rd grade.  (Not 1776, Paul Revere, "we had a civil war" basics, but things like the House, the Senate, Separation of Powers, the Electoral College, Bill of Rights, etc.)

My kids aren't stupid, they're ignorant, because they haven't been taught.  They actually find a lot of this process interesting.  They didn't know why there are 100 Senators but 435 Representatives.  They didn't know the chain of succession (past VP).  They didn't know "impeached" doesn't mean "removed".  They.  Were.  Never.  Taught.  It's shocking.  I would think it would be mandatory, but apparently not.

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I've been saying this for at least a couple of decades.  I routinely find myself teaching my teenagers very basic facts about American history and government structure.  Believe me, I am no wonk -- there are dozens if not hundreds of people on this board who could school me on a civics test -- but for pity's sake, we learned the basics starting in about 3rd grade.  (Not 1776, Paul Revere, "we had a civil war" basics, but things like the House, the Senate, Separation of Powers, the Electoral College, Bill of Rights, etc.)

My kids aren't stupid, they're ignorant, because they haven't been taught.  They actually find a lot of this process interesting.  They didn't know why there are 100 Senators but 435 Representatives.  They didn't know the chain of succession (past VP).  They didn't know "impeached" doesn't mean "removed".  They.  Were.  Never.  Taught.  It's shocking.  I would think it would be mandatory, but apparently not.

They were never taught because conservatives don't want them learning how to think for themselves.

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Though with most it's more like a 30 second rule. 5 minutes is the maximum they're capable of sounding sane.

 I could say the same about Democratic Socialists, Socialists, And the Feaux Conservatives, but in the end it’s about the principles and philosophy for me and the role of government should play if we want a free, voluntary and prosperous society. Fanatics exist in all camps and conspiracy theories are always put forth from all sides.

 

For Chrisakes, if you said the Deep State existed before Trump became elected, then you were a conspiracy theorist. Now, the Deep state just comes out and thanks themselves for their very existence.

 

 

 https://twitter.com/potp_pod/status/1192250280559161344?s=21

 

 

I’m sure we all want truth and good people to run our country. They’re everywhere, but we have to unite around a principle and none is more uniting in my opinion than Liberty and Freedom.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

For Chrisakes, if you said the Deep State existed before Trump became elected, then you were a conspiracy theorist. Now, the Deep state just comes out and thanks themselves for their very existence.

Uh, if you believe in the Deep State you're still a conspiracy theorist.

I fucking predicted this less than 2 hours ago.  Congratulations to one of us.

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21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Uh, if you believe in the Deep State you're still a conspiracy theorist.

I fucking predicted this less than 2 hours ago.  Congratulations to one of us.

I pos repped this in your tug of war with enchubben because it’s true.  It’s been around for decades and the well cited wiki article literally notes it’s elasticity in definition as a useful shield for conspiracy theorists to hide behind.  
 

Is there a natural momentum for the intelligence, policy and their junior leadership organizations?  Yes of course there is.  If government is anything like my large employer, strategy and direction bubble up from the collective work of a myriad of underlings.  I probably spend 6 hours of time in meetings and working on presentations for every 30 minutes my executives spend making decisions in their meetings.  
 

We got slapped with a big discrimination lawsuit, and when I read the internal report I said “well yeah that guy was discriminating in his hiring practices that were apparently institutionalized via poorly enforced rules.”   I didn’t blame the ‘deep state’ for uncovering it, I recognized there was a legit wrong that deserved punishment.  

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