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3 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

It really doesn't matter.  Asking for an investigation is not the same thing as asking for a conviction.  Trump has no way of knowing what the result of the investigation would be so it is impossible to prove he would gain anything by it.  What would he gain if an investigation was held and Biden ended up being found innocent of any wrong doing?

 

Simply announcing the investigation would effect the intended political influence. 

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Unreal. Biden’s son can take home $1m a year from a Ukrainian company he knows nothing about...but our president acts like the CEO of a company with leverage in cutting deals and this shit happens?

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Simply announcing the investigation would effect the intended political influence. 

Yep. Look what the investigation of Hillary did and she was eventually cleared. 

Things don't work the same way for Republicans though. Like Trump, they can be dirty, they can be constantly under investigation, they can grab pussies, etc. Nothing will undo them as their voters really seem to require no ethical behavior at all from their representatives. 

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2 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Yep. Look what the investigation of Hillary did and she was eventually cleared. 

Things don't work the same way for Republicans though. Like Trump, they can be dirty, they can be constantly under investigation, they can grab pussies, etc. Nothing will undo them as their voters really seem to require no ethical behavior at all from their representatives. 

Yeah but you see, Obama was black.

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1 minute ago, FondrenRoad said:

Yep. Look what the investigation of Hillary did and she was eventually cleared. 

Things don't work the same way for Republicans though. Like Trump, they can be dirty, they can be constantly under investigation, they can grab pussies, etc. Nothing will undo them as their voters really seem to require no ethical behavior at all from their representatives. 

You don't think that the Crossfire Hurricane investigation influenced the Republican administration politically?  OK, I guess. 

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7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Simply announcing the investigation would effect the intended political influence. 

Exactly, let’s go down memory lane

-emails

-pizza gate

-bhemghazi

-health concerns

-vile lady 

 

all continuous talking the republicans used against her and still fucking do after what 12 years 

 

what about this

-tan suit

-birth certificate 

-Muslim from kenya

-anti Christ

-will seek a 3rd term  

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5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Simply announcing the investigation would effect the intended political influence. 

Yes. His emphasis on the announcement and not the actual investigation also shows he didn't care about the alleged corruption or expected I to go anywhere. An investigation without the politically valuable announcement would not have been enough.

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36 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

 

 

As of today, the rolling average on RCP is +4.4 for all (R,D,I).  And most of that average predates this last of hearings, obviously.  It does show a narrowing of support, but a lot of times that is reflective of a wild point timing out.  For example, there was a IBD/TIPP poll that was at +22 points from late October.  That poll has timed out of the rolling average, and the source does not have a new one up.  When you narrow the field to just indies (which the tweet didn't actually do) the data points are all over the place.  There is a plus 18 and a negative 7 in the same rolling average set. 

And really, polling shouldn't affect the Democrat's actions at this point.  The die is cast. 

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2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

You don't think that the Crossfire Hurricane investigation influenced the Republican administration politically?  OK, I guess. 

Nope. I think it shored up Trump's base even.  All it did is make voters who already hated him hate him even more. 

If Trump loses 2020, it will be because the Dem actually campaigns in swing States or because Trump has completely lost his mind.  None of these investigations will change anything for him though. Any Dem would have resigned in disgrace when the first scandal hit, and would have had most other Dems turn against them. Trump is on scandal 1000ish now. As far as I can tell, only Romney and Flake have turned against him. Compare that to Franken. 

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24 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

It really doesn't matter.  Asking for an investigation is not the same thing as asking for a conviction.  Trump has no way of knowing what the result of the investigation would be so it is impossible to prove he would gain anything by it.  What would he gain if an investigation was held and Biden ended up being found innocent of any wrong doing?

 

Anyway back to the independents that Mrs. Whiggins doesn't care about.  Even though you are going to need them to win the election in 2020.

Let's see how some of them feel about this whole thing.

https://twitter.com/mkolken/status/1195402438318182400?s=21

 

I'm not a Trump voter and oppose many (most?) of his policies. That said, anyone with any intellectual honesty can see that this hearing is a sham devoid of any semblance of due process. Go ahead Democrats, vote to impeach. You've lost any chance at this independent's vote.

 

I believe Dems have not only lost a lot of Independent votes; they may have also lost a lot of moderate Dem votes as well...

They lost my vote & membership during the 2016 primary. Their repeated "dishonest" ( IMO much worse) actions motivated me to look deeper. Much deeper. The party & it's so- called "leaders" deserve to implode. #DemExitForEver #WalkAway

This spectical will make a lot of voters cast straight ticket votes for Republicans.   I hope they lose it all.  House, many seats.

I was a Never Trump guy till the media dropped the tape after he got the nom; and it made me realize they were trying to rig the election. I'm 100% ProTrump now. The Dems *need* a hard defeat to save their party. It's the only way to purge the faction in charge.

Mr. Kolken, these people are not Democrats. They are evil people who have hi-jacked the Democratic Party and are using the name Democrat.  Real Democrats need to stand up to them and take back their Party.

Ding ding ding.  They are absolute sabotaging themselves here

They are. Crazy crazy

Me too. Independent voter who will be voting red in 2020.

This is way beyond Trump. We now have an entire party and media committed to undermine an election because they didn't like the results. If we election results are ignored all we have left to resolve differences is violence.

My sentiments exactly.
It really shows how dumb they think we are. Time to show them how wrong that assumption is.

I literally swore I would not vote for Trump because of the horrible treatment of those with painful conditions #CPP. After watching this Fkfest and getting basically the same treatment from both sides, Trump gets my vote.

Of all the things I miss most in this new era is integrity. The lack of it in our government, our media, our intelligence agencies, our colleges is staggering. When ideology is chosen over truth and facts, eventually we all lose. This is true of both Democrats and Republicans.

Agreed.  I’m a former Democrat, now Independent.  The circus put on these past three years has only uncovered the blatant hypocrisy and double standards the Democratic Party stand for.  Which is ALL they stand for.  It’s deflating and shameful.

There are more of us than the Dems want to admit. I also didn't vote for Pres. Trump, but I'm likely to after their non-stop attacks. Even the Boy Who Cried Wolf, after 3 yrs. of doomsday wailing, ends up hoarse.

"I'm not a Trump voter ..."

Nor I, and I agree with you.

"...anyone with any intellectual honesty can see that this hearing is a sham devoid of any semblance of due process..."

Wish I could like your tweet a million times!! Thankful for people with common sense!!

I am in the same boat. I was a Democrat for the 2016 election, independent now. After this episode, how can I even think Democrats???

Also while trump was out of line with his tweet, The fact that Schiff stopped her testimony to read it in realtime speaks volumes as he then tried to portray it as an attempt to intimidate her & witness tampering. When there was no chance of her seeing it while testifying

Well said! Even if you dont like Trump this is just going too far!

Thank you for saying this! We don't have to love Trump... shoot we don't even have to like him. We as a country are under attack by this sham. It's foolish to trust any of these people. If they can be so bold to do this to the POTUS, we peasants are nothing to them

I'm an #Independent - would never vote for a #Democrat.....

This Independent feels the same.

This "thing" going on in the House is a balloon sent up by the elites to see if WE the People are going to sit by and let them overthrow our Constitutional Republic.  They are having a field day in seeing is they can destroy and give themselves all power at our expense.

Thank you. We need more people with that same intellectual honesty. We need more people to think critically about how what they're doing is changing this country. The Democrats recent despicable Behavior has done more damage to our country than I've seen in my lifetime.

At one time I voted for the best person , I will never vote for another democrat they’ve lost their minds.

That’s what I said after the Kavanaugh farsicle dem spectacle. I used to vote for a few decent dems (a moderate A+ dem = a B republican).  But after that disgusting show I vowed to not vote for another dem ever. I just won’t vote in that race if it’s a bad republican (Romney).

Same. I didn't vote for him and am an avowed independent. I always vote a third party for president as the two party system is the biggest threat to our country IMO. but I am seriously considering voting for Trump just because Democrats have acted so badly.

It really is a sad sham, one begins to ask who the real totalitarians are.

Totally agree.   I don’t like any of them.   But this is a sham.

Do glad to hear that people see through their sham and hopefully the power grab they're attempting.  I was an independent as well but Dems have lost their minds and ate violent,  corrupt and dangerous

This is setting an awful precedent for the future. If we let this stand, we will see ingovernability in the future. We will impeach for any reason with unconstitutional rules. Anarchy will set in. The time to fix this is now. Stop and have an open, public review of the rules.

Same here. I consider myself a strong Independent and I’ve watched these hearings and thought you’ve lost any chance of me voting Dem again. Schiff is deranged and they’re all following him into extinction.

Not only do we need to vote for Trump in 2020 but we also need to vote out as many democrats from all political offices. Our country is in a state of emergency. If Democrats get power now we will lose our country forever as we know it.

Insanity reigns in the Democrat party.

Same views except the treatment toward Trump has exposed the deep state.  Non-elected government officials working against those elected.  True Democrats should be concerned too.  All the best.

I, as a fellow Independent, agree 100%.

I totally agree with you. They’ve list their minds and it’s so obvious

Thank you for stating common sense

This is the craziest thing I’ve seen.

It is heartening to know that there are people who view this "hearing" with clear vision. Schiff is a completely dishonest individual.

As a fellow I, I find it amazing that the leftist people I know think this circus has had any validity. All you have to do is watch... layers upon layers of hearsay while we have a former Vice President recorded doing exactly what has been alleged. Dems lost me years ago tho.

Same here. I'm an independent and have voted Democrat before, but they lost me the past 24 to 36 months. Well done!

I love intellectually honest people regardless of political leanings.  Thank you for not succumbing to TDS!

I’m glad that my state offers voter registration changes online. I was a Central leaning Dem until all the socialism stuff that I don’t believe in has become more prominent in the debates and then the impeachment sham sent me away from them. #WalkAway #NoRagerts 

Even, Obama, has tried to talk to the Democratics about embracing far left policies. The Zeitgeist does not support extremism. They better heed his advice if they want my Independent Vote.

Agreed, I vote for the person and policy not by party, but Dems have lost my vote also.

 

Ahhhh yes I am independent and let me write a fucking book about why I don’t support the Democrats and just casually ignore all the shit the Rs are doing now, I am sure It’s less then Ds

let’s all forget about the 9 Benghazi investigations and what 14 hearings about nothing 

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22 minutes ago, sachick said:

Ok, who the fuck in Chalupa and why do they keep bring her/him up?

Alexandra Chalupa. She was a DNC contractor investigating Paul Manafort's work for corrupt and later ousted pro-Russia Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. In the minds of the Trumpublicans, it is corrupt to investigate corruption on the part of Trump and his allies, and that includes Putin and his allies, of whom Trump is one. 

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1 hour ago, Bojack said:

By now, I know I shouldn't be surprised at the shamelessness of right wing bullshit.  Still, I'm astonished that there haven't been more people that throw their hands up and say that they're done spending so much time and energy defending a criminal idiot.  

Also, I'd think at some point more of the rank and file Magas would get frustrated that cases fall flat or are never brought against their political enemies while they control the US Justice department along with AGs in more than half the states. 

If you are talking about members of Congress, they are just representing the wishes of their constituents.  Trump didn’t create this hateful white nationalist worldview — he’s just championing it.  Senators from red states with a half dozen people in them will never vote to remove Trump because it’s political and maybe actual suicide.  The only real answers to this problem are:

1. Boomer extinction

2. Massive voter turnout by those opposed to our current direction in 2020

3. A bloody revolution

Number 1 is inevitable and number 2 is going to happen but will it be enough to offset foreign/domestic election chicanery that Trump and the GOP will seek, welcome and participate in?  If the answer is no, then the violent expression of the people’s will is all that is left.

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Sondland will continue to claim selective memory until he has his state dept. notes available to him.  That hearing will either bring these hearings to an end, or uncork a lot more shit for the dems to push in front of the American people.  

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