impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[David Dennison 18646]

46 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

After Trump is acquitted, we have a president above the law. That's dead to me. Maybe it comes back to life but I'm not hopeful with Joe Biden or Pete Buttigieg leading the charge. 

Ronald Reagan broke the law as president long before Donald Trump did.

[DixonHur 11154]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Fuck them.  I want their names in the history books co-signed for eternity to Trump’s crimes.  

The blind vote isn’t going to change how they vote.  They’re lying as usual. 

I want Trump out of office

[horncyclist 1384]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Ronald Reagan broke the law as president long before Donald Trump did.

But it wasn't out there for all to see and the country said "okay, cool." This is much different. 

[SquishMitten 10397]

Rumor is that many pubs would vote to impeach if they didn't have to do it publicly.  Basically they'd be able to hide behind plausible deniability for reelection.
And there's no downside because if he were acquitted everyone would know it was the gop who voted to acquit 

Pretty much this. If it fails, it’s effectively the same result as a public vote. Call out every R for voting no. What’re they gonna do in response? Publicly announce that they voted yes? It’s all upside for Ds and (if rumor is to believed) at least a handful of Rs. I don’t love the idea that it gives some of the traitorous bootlickers a free pass, but it still wins the war.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

 

I feel a lot better about the quality of some of our govt talent after listening to her. I envisioned a bunch of Ricky Perry’s running around.

 

 

2 hours ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Well they are working on it.  Look how many good people have left the Commerce, Agriculture, EPA, Interior, and Treasury depts.

This. Ms. Hill's replacement was Morrison and while he seemed somewhat adept, he pales next to her. Yovanovitch is out, Taylor won't be in his role much longer. More and more of them are being replaced by partisans by design. (To overlook any semblance of criminal activity.) One party, one country, one dear leader for life. I don't think the GOP believes Trump will live all that much longer, but he is useful to their installation of the judicial biases, and all the other irons they have in the fire. Graham is now using the DOJ as his own investigative unit to go after political rivals, Miller is using the DHS as his own unit to implement his Aryan nation. Mnuchin is up to Lord knows what but it's probably something even I don't want to know. Once the Brad Parscale/Zuckerburg 2020 elections are out of the way, as another Emperor put it:

"Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace."

Except we won't. Darth Sidious was wrong.

[David Dennison 18646]

8 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

But it wasn't out there for all to see and the country said "okay, cool." This is much different. 

I remember Iran Contra being all out in the open while he was president. In fact, he lied to the American people about it in a speech from the Oval Office.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

16 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Ronald Reagan broke the law as president long before Donald Trump did.

 

9 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

But it wasn't out there for all to see and the country said "okay, cool." This is much different. 

But Ed Meese and Bill Barr supported both, so there's that. The Federalists will continue to support Trump because he has enabled them to get what they want. We will be paying for this long past my time on earth.

[DixonHur 11154]

14 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

 

Pretty much this. If it fails, it’s effectively the same result as a public vote. Call out every R for voting no. What’re they gonna do in response? Publicly announce that they voted yes? It’s all upside for Ds and (if rumor is to believed) at least a handful of Rs. I don’t love the idea that it gives some of the traitorous bootlickers a free pass, but it still wins the war.

 

A bunch of Nazi scientists helped us build the bomb...sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil

 

[Pasken 1309]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

A bunch of Nazi scientists helped us build the bomb...sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil

 

I know Nazi scientists helped us land on the moon but what nazi scientists helped us develop the bomb?

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

27 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Pssssssst - The Republicans have always been like this. They just used to mask it with joviality like Reagan & Bush the Second or gravitas like Bush the First and they used to not say the quiet parts out loud in mixed company.


Also,

 

I get that.  I am a follower of the work of David Cay Johnson. His work is pretty broad but he deals mostly with tax and fraud issues.  As such, back in the 80s he was working on the NJ casino business where he first me DJ and has since written a couple of books on him and has become rather disturbed at our propensity for fascist.  Nevertheless, most of his work is based on scouring the public record and following actual actions rather than the palace intrigue.  Being a CPA and a business owner, I dig the cut of his jib, as it were. 

I was watching one of his lectures just last night and one of the questions after his lecture involved  the long term plight of the Republican party (first cited back in the early 70s) which  points out the the increasing diversity of of the populace and the rural flight to the major metropolitan areas be it in the burbs or city limits which in turn would bite into the traditional Republican voting base.

His answer was interesting. He told a story about a candid conversation he had with some republicans at a party he was invited to where he first remarked that heir scotch was much better than his.  But this very question about adaptation was raised and the answer was simply from a factual point of view that they would not change.  What I found most interesting is that, according to his telling, his republican friend all but admitted some pretty disturbing deep underlying racist issues, which I would have thought would have been lower on the priorities list.  Keep in mind also, that this conversation took place in upstate New York and not in Alabama.

I am sure that I am not giving justice the tale, but I would encourage the Surl to check out his work, take what is valuable and meaningful and and ask some serious questions about the rest.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

4 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

it's...so....beautiful.

[Dbeasy 14962]

The Republican party has no policy positions or moral standards...other than if it benefits Donald Trump, then it is a position and a moral standard which has to be backed up.
The only consistent Republican policy I have seen in my 40 years of following politics and policy is that the very wealthy are are not nearly wealthy enough.  Not abortion, not fiscal responsibility, not even real entrepreneurial business.

That’s my point. They’ve always talked about, for example, fiscal responsibility and family values going way back in time but haven’t acted according to those values. It took awhile to figure that out.

[RomaVicta 29769]

I'm having trouble managing my hatred.

 

Adam Schiff speaks my soul. I'm not a great citizen. I'm not a great man. I haven't done that much for my country.

But I am a man, and the notion of duty is not alien to me. I don't like belonging to a society where shamelessness is becoming the norm. Where you have to explain duty. Where Jim Jeffords and Devin Nunez are taken seriously. It's insane. We've elevated a crotch fungus to the highest office in the land, and people in positions to be taken seriously celebrate him.

Of course, this is the Pollyanna view point. It's not just partisan politics on the right. It's covering up a vast criminal conspiracy conducted by those sworn to uphold the Constitution of the US. We watch crooks just trying to keep the light pointed at anything but themselves.

I won't go Travis Bickle. But I feel Travis Bickle. WTF?

 

 

 

[DixonHur 11154]

4 minutes ago, Pasken said:

I know Nazi scientists helped us land on the moon but what nazi scientists helped us develop the bomb?

Bomb, rocket to the moon...whatever, forget it, I'm rolling...

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 hours ago, Sbbruin said:

Not sure I am a Republican anymore.  Not this version of it anyway.

i'm 100% certain i'm not a republican anymore and i'm ashamed that i ever was. it was a complete farce. whatever you thought the party was, or might still hold out hope that it is, was complete and utter horse shit.

[DigglerontheHoof 21044]

7 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm having trouble managing my hatred.

 

Adam Schiff speaks my soul. I'm not a great citizen. I'm not a great man. I haven't done that much for my country.

But I am a man, and the notion of duty is not alien to me. I don't like belonging to a society where shamelessness is becoming the norm. Where you have to explain duty. Where Jim Jeffords and Devin Nunez are taken seriously. It's insane. We've elevated a crotch fungus to the highest office in the land, and people in positions to be taken seriously celebrate him.

Of course, this is the Pollyanna view point. It's not just partisan politics on the right. It's covering up a vast criminal conspiracy conducted by those sworn to uphold the Constitution of the US. We watch crooks just trying to keep the light pointed at anything but themselves.

I won't go Travis Bickle. But I feel Travis Bickle. WTF?

 

 

 

You talkin' to me?  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

5 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Bomb, rocket to the moon...whatever, forget it, I'm rolling...

 

Haha beat me to it by a couple seconds!

[RomaVicta 29769]

13 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

You talkin' to me?  

Well, there's nobody else.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

21 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I get that.  I am a follower of the work of David Cay Johnson. His work is pretty broad but he deals mostly with tax and fraud issues.  As such, back in the 80s he was working on the NJ casino business where he first me DJ and has since written a couple of books on him and has become rather disturbed at our propensity for fascist.  Nevertheless, most of his work is based on scouring the public record and following actual actions rather than the palace intrigue.  Being a CPA and a business owner, I dig the cut of his jib, as it were. 

I was watching one of his lectures just last night and one of the questions after his lecture involved  the long term plight of the Republican party (first cited back in the early 70s) which  points out the the increasing diversity of of the populace and the rural flight to the major metropolitan areas be it in the burbs or city limits which in turn would bite into the traditional Republican voting base.

His answer was interesting. He told a story about a candid conversation he had with some republicans at a party he was invited to where he first remarked that heir scotch was much better than his.  But this very question about adaptation was raised and the answer was simply from a factual point of view that they would not change.  What I found most interesting is that, according to his telling, his republican friend all but admitted some pretty disturbing deep underlying racist issues, which I would have thought would have been lower on the priorities list.  Keep in mind also, that this conversation took place in upstate New York and not in Alabama.

I am sure that I am not giving justice the tale, but I would encourage the Surl to check out his work, take what is valuable and meaningful and and ask some serious questions about the rest.

Oh! Thank you for the author reference. I already have fmr Admiral McRaven's book in my reading queue thanks to a poster here on Surly, but I will add this to it. I have found some of the ways in which Trump hides/shelters his $$ to be intriguing. His creation of (I don't know terminology very well so excuse the errors I'm about to make) LLCs or holding companies or whatever who he then loans money to from another one of his companies. It's probably legal(?) but seems shady and rather tax avoidancy to my inexperienced eyes. One of the ones floating around the net of ideas was for something like $50 million. So, again, thanks for the tip on a potential good read.

 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

4 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i'm 100% certain i'm not a republican anymore and i'm ashamed that i ever was. it was a complete farce. whatever you thought the party was, or might still hold out hope that it is, was complete and utter horse shit.

I am in the same boat.

Ronny was a God to me.  Although, at the time he was first elected President, I was only in 8th grade and by November of '84 I was not yet able to vote. I was young impressionable and manipulated by my parents.

But more than that, at the time, we had just gotten out of 'nam ('75), had been through 2 gas shortages, 20% interest rates, hostages in Iran, and Manhattan was burning nightly.  Carter was a good guy and a smart guy but seemed powerless in light of the conditions.

Reagan came along with his slick speech, down home letters,  and his balanced California budget, and it seemed like the second coming of FDR except as a Republican.

Really, without saying it, his slogan was MAGA. Except that he was actually somewhat competent, although lazy, and despite his other flaws, was a leader. His administrations still reverberate today for better or worse. 

So aside from the "deplorables" , there is still a sizable number of people my age and mostly older, that cannot shake this influence. It is like a religion they were taught as children that still holds sway over them.  Despite having the entirety of world history at their fingertips and more than enough time to explore they chose to be lazy and have their thoughts dictated to them.  

 

[BrickHorn 18186]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Reagan came along with his slick speech, down home letters,  and his balanced California budget, and it seemed like the second coming of FDR except as a Republican.

Really, without saying it, his slogan was MAGA.

 

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

4 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Oh! Thank you for the author reference. I already have fmr Admiral McRaven's book in my reading queue thanks to a poster here on Surly, but I will add this to it. I have found some of the ways in which Trump hides/shelters his $$ to be intriguing. His creation of (I don't know terminology very well so excuse the errors I'm about to make) LLCs or holding companies or whatever who he then loans money to from another one of his companies. It's probably legal(?) but seems shady and rather tax avoidancy to my inexperienced eyes. One of the ones floating around the net of ideas was for something like $50 million. So, again, thanks for the tip on a potential good read.

 

DJ does all of that stuff, but that is legit.  What is not legit is his straight out money laundering. My frustration and DCJ's is that all of this was known and documented in the public record but hardly touched on by the press prior to 2016. It was a massive failing.

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

 

OK so he said it.  But in '84 it was something more slick -If I remember correctly, "It's morning in America Again"  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

57 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I want Trump out of office

Goes without saying but this blind vote is just Lucy with the football again. 

[EMAWesome 101]

And Chris Cuomo, off all people, blows David Holmes testimony out of the water.  Granted he did it in the most Fredo way possible.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/21/watch-cnns-chris-cuomo-accidentally-prove-trump-right-about-overheard-phone-call/

Watch CNN’s Chris Cuomo Accidentally Prove Trump Right About Overheard Phone Call
NOVEMBER 21, 2019 By Chrissy Clark
CNN Anchor Chris Cuomo forced his super panel of pundits and his audience to endure a segment of cringeworthy live television on Thursday, all for the sake of arguing with a Trump tweet.

During the impeachment hearings, David Holmes, an aide to diplomat Bill Taylor claims he overheard a phone conversation between European Union Ambassador Gordon Sonland and President Trump.

In his testimony, Holmes explained how during a dinner with Ambassador Sondland and two other, Sondland placed a call to Trump. Holmes claims he overheard the phone conversation because the two spoke loudly, despite the phone call not being on speakerphone.

“While Ambassador Sondland’s phone was not on speakerphone, I could hear the President’s voice through the earpiece of the phone. The President’s voice was very loud and recognizable, and Ambassador Sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time, presumably because of the loud volume,” Holmes said.

Trump does not believe Holmes overheard the depth of his conversation with Sondland, he claims he’s never been able to hear a phone conversation if it wasn’t on speakerphone.

“Never have I been watching a person making a call, which was not on speakerphone, and been able to hear or understand a conversation. I’ve even tried, but to no avail. Try it live!” the president tweeted.

While on live TV, CNN’s Chris Cuomo tried to prove a person can hear a conversation on another person’s cell phone without being on speakerphone.

Cuomo called his mother and tried to have Dana Bash see if she could overhear the conversation. As Cuomo and Bash struggled to hear, Cuomo turned on speakerphone.

“Can you just say hello? Mom? She probably can’t hear me. Mom, can you hear me? Mom? Say hello to Dana Bash,” Cuomo said.

Cuomo’s entire segment proved Trump’s point that it is difficult to overhear a call when it’s not on speakerphone. Thank you CNN, for this wonderful reporting.

[BrickHorn 18186]

And calling Republicanism a “religion” is insightful, in the sense that the label itself defines a central part of many people’s’ identities and is thus very difficult to abandon even after any substantive agreement has waned.  Those of you who have found the intellectual courage to abandon that identity on principle, and to recognize your loyalty to a higher identity (American, human being, non-criminal, non-hypocrite, or whatever the case may be) should be proud of yourselves.  It ain’t easy to give up part of your identity, even when it’s clearly for the best.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5782]

5 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

And Chris Cuomo, off all people, blows David Holmes testimony out of the water.  Granted he did it in the most Fredo way possible.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/21/watch-cnns-chris-cuomo-accidentally-prove-trump-right-about-overheard-phone-call/

 

 

 

 

Eta - we've all heard conversations through other's phones, so fuck off you troll 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Doc Sam Beckett
Cholas 4 life

[RPM 26208]

1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

I want Trump out of office

I want him out of our atmosphere.

[horncyclist 1384]

Schiff's closing today. Probably posted up thread but reposting because this should be a rallying cry through 2020. Just don't forget that Trump is not the disease, just a symptom. You need to get rid of whatever rot allowed such corruption to come to power. We are better than that.

 

[SaucyJack 3487]

3 hours ago, Underdog said:

Well...  until Elise turns up pregnant and fingers Jordan as the daddy, it might get ugly then. 

[Dbeasy 14962]

And Chris Cuomo, off all people, blows David Holmes testimony out of the water.  Granted he did it in the most Fredo way possible.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/21/watch-cnns-chris-cuomo-accidentally-prove-trump-right-about-overheard-phone-call/

Watch CNN’s Chris Cuomo Accidentally Prove Trump Right About Overheard Phone Call
NOVEMBER 21, 2019 By Chrissy Clark
CNN Anchor Chris Cuomo forced his super panel of pundits and his audience to endure a segment of cringeworthy live television on Thursday, all for the sake of arguing with a Trump tweet.
During the impeachment hearings, David Holmes, an aide to diplomat Bill Taylor claims he overheard a phone conversation between European Union Ambassador Gordon Sonland and President Trump.
In his testimony, Holmes explained how during a dinner with Ambassador Sondland and two other, Sondland placed a call to Trump. Holmes claims he overheard the phone conversation because the two spoke loudly, despite the phone call not being on speakerphone.
“While Ambassador Sondland’s phone was not on speakerphone, I could hear the President’s voice through the earpiece of the phone. The President’s voice was very loud and recognizable, and Ambassador Sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time, presumably because of the loud volume,” Holmes said.
Trump does not believe Holmes overheard the depth of his conversation with Sondland, he claims he’s never been able to hear a phone conversation if it wasn’t on speakerphone.
“Never have I been watching a person making a call, which was not on speakerphone, and been able to hear or understand a conversation. I’ve even tried, but to no avail. Try it live!” the president tweeted.
While on live TV, CNN’s Chris Cuomo tried to prove a person can hear a conversation on another person’s cell phone without being on speakerphone.
Cuomo called his mother and tried to have Dana Bash see if she could overhear the conversation. As Cuomo and Bash struggled to hear, Cuomo turned on speakerphone.
“Can you just say hello? Mom? She probably can’t hear me. Mom, can you hear me? Mom? Say hello to Dana Bash,” Cuomo said.
Cuomo’s entire segment proved Trump’s point that it is difficult to overhear a call when it’s not on speakerphone. Thank you CNN, for this wonderful reporting.

Good lord now I just feel sorry for you. I’ve often come to the defense of more conservative posters in the CR when posters go too far with their far left opinions, but you just seem to be utterly clueless. You aren’t giving me any opportunities to come to your defense.

I’ve personally overhead dozens if not hundreds of phone calls overs the years as has everyone else on the planet. But you tirelessly scan the internet looking for any proof point you can find, no matter how ridiculous, and come running back here to post it, sit back, fold your arms, and smirk, all the while not realizing you’ve just embarrassed yourself again. Wake up dude.

With all the lies by the Republicans and Trump and all of the overwhelming evidence we’ve seen in the last week, you are hanging your hat on some dude lying about overhearing a phone call? That’s ridiculous.

How about listening to what Nunes and Jordan have been saying the last several days. They are spewing absolute nonsense. Can you really not distinguish nonsense from actual facts? Are you really that limited intellectually? It’s okay to admit it if you are.

[Degenerate Gardner 4081]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm having trouble managing my hatred.

 

Adam Schiff speaks my soul. I'mI not a great citizen. I'm not a great man. I haven't done that much for my country.

But I am a man, and the notion of duty is not alien to me. I don't like belonging to a society where shamelessness is becoming the norm. Where you have to explain duty. Where Jim Jeffords and Devin Nunez are taken seriously. It's insane. We've elevated a crotch fungus to the highest office in the land, and people in positions to be taken seriously celebrate him.

Of course, this is the Pollyanna view point. It's not just partisan politics on the right. It's covering up a vast criminal conspiracy conducted by those sworn to uphold the Constitution of the US. We watch crooks just trying to keep the light pointed at anything but themselves.

I won't go Travis Bickle. But I feel Travis Bickle. WTF?

 

 

 

You are not crazy. You are not alone.

Abusive behavior has been normalized. The President tweet-denigrated a witness as she testified at his impeachment hearing, for christsake. 

The good news? That you still possess principles and can see the naked emperor.  That's the bad news too, because you've seen Donald Trump nude and you can't unsee it.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11802]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

And Chris Cuomo, off all people, blows David Holmes testimony out of the water.  Granted he did it in the most Fredo way possible.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/21/watch-cnns-chris-cuomo-accidentally-prove-trump-right-about-overheard-phone-call/

 

 

So if a criminal commits a crime in the forest and nobody hears it, it’s not a crime!

[Bullneck 18983]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Rumor is that many pubs would vote to impeach if they didn't have to do it publicly.  Basically they'd be able to hide behind plausible deniability for reelection.

And there's no downside because if he were acquitted everyone would know it was the gop who voted to acquit 

And as soon as they convict him he's no longer a thread.  My guess is a secret vote = the knives are out. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

[Ths71 472]

And Chris Cuomo, off all people, blows David Holmes testimony out of the water.  Granted he did it in the most Fredo way possible.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/21/watch-cnns-chris-cuomo-accidentally-prove-trump-right-about-overheard-phone-call/

Watch CNN’s Chris Cuomo Accidentally Prove Trump Right About Overheard Phone Call
NOVEMBER 21, 2019 By Chrissy Clark
CNN Anchor Chris Cuomo forced his super panel of pundits and his audience to endure a segment of cringeworthy live television on Thursday, all for the sake of arguing with a Trump tweet.
During the impeachment hearings, David Holmes, an aide to diplomat Bill Taylor claims he overheard a phone conversation between European Union Ambassador Gordon Sonland and President Trump.
In his testimony, Holmes explained how during a dinner with Ambassador Sondland and two other, Sondland placed a call to Trump. Holmes claims he overheard the phone conversation because the two spoke loudly, despite the phone call not being on speakerphone.
“While Ambassador Sondland’s phone was not on speakerphone, I could hear the President’s voice through the earpiece of the phone. The President’s voice was very loud and recognizable, and Ambassador Sondland held the phone away from his ear for a period of time, presumably because of the loud volume,” Holmes said.
Trump does not believe Holmes overheard the depth of his conversation with Sondland, he claims he’s never been able to hear a phone conversation if it wasn’t on speakerphone.
“Never have I been watching a person making a call, which was not on speakerphone, and been able to hear or understand a conversation. I’ve even tried, but to no avail. Try it live!” the president tweeted.
While on live TV, CNN’s Chris Cuomo tried to prove a person can hear a conversation on another person’s cell phone without being on speakerphone.
Cuomo called his mother and tried to have Dana Bash see if she could overhear the conversation. As Cuomo and Bash struggled to hear, Cuomo turned on speakerphone.
“Can you just say hello? Mom? She probably can’t hear me. Mom, can you hear me? Mom? Say hello to Dana Bash,” Cuomo said.
Cuomo’s entire segment proved Trump’s point that it is difficult to overhear a call when it’s not on speakerphone. Thank you CNN, for this wonderful reporting.

He should have called some of my wife’s friends. Even the camera operators would have been able to hear.


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[4th&Five 41457]

 

[Mach 1 1676]

53 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

Schiff's closing today. Probably posted up thread but reposting because this should be a rallying cry through 2020. Just don't forget that Trump is not the disease, just a symptom. You need to get rid of whatever rot allowed such corruption to come to power. We are better than that.

 

Schiff is my Congressman, and I'm proud to have him as my representative.

He's a a perfect representation of "We are better than that," but unfortunately around 40% of this country isn't, due to ignorance, misguided ways, or plain selfish corruption.

But Democrats seem to be bringing knives to a gun fight.  Republicans are willing to do whatever is necessary, including bringing in a foreign nation to assist them in their agenda and power grab. Lying, cheating, gerrymandering - whatever the fuck it takes.

Yet Shiff's final response is, "We are better than that."  Yeah I get it's a nice nod to Cummings, but Schiff is trying to appeal to a vision that seems a little out of reach right now.  

I'm leaning toward bringing a Howitzer to the gun fight from here out.  Not sure how to do it, but it's time.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Most depressing thing is there is no truth in today's time. 

Can just spin everything however you want.

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

8 minutes ago, Mach 1 said:

Schiff is my Congressman, and I'm proud to have him as my representative.

He's a a perfect representation of "We are better than that," but unfortunately around 40% of this country isn't, due to ignorance, misguided ways, or plain selfish corruption.

But Democrats seem to be bringing knives to a gun fight.  Republicans are willing to do whatever is necessary, including bringing in a foreign nation to assist them in their agenda and power grab. Lying, cheating, gerrymandering - whatever the fuck it takes.

Yet Shiff's final response is, "We are better than that."  Yeah I get it's a nice nod to Cummings, but Schiff is trying to appeal to a vision that seems a little out of reach right now.  

I'm leaning toward bringing a Howitzer to the gun fight from here out.  Not sure how to do it, but it's time.

Chemical and biological warfare is under-rated. While unethical, when you have as many anti-vaxxers as does the GOP and then Rep Swalwell aiding the Inquiry, play to your strengths and fight dirty and smelly.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5782]

10 minutes ago, Mach 1 said:

Schiff is my Congressman, and I'm proud to have him as my representative.

He's a a perfect representation of "We are better than that," but unfortunately around 40% of this country isn't, due to ignorance, misguided ways, or plain selfish corruption.

But Democrats seem to be bringing knives to a gun fight.  Republicans are willing to do whatever is necessary, including bringing in a foreign nation to assist them in their agenda and power grab. Lying, cheating, gerrymandering - whatever the fuck it takes.

Yet Shiff's final response is, "We are better than that."  Yeah I get it's a nice nod to Cummings, but Schiff is trying to appeal to a vision that seems a little out of reach right now.  

I'm leaning toward bringing a Howitzer to the gun fight from here out.  Not sure how to do it, but it's time.

This poor motherfucker. No way could he possibly envision the environment he's in right now. He's been thrust into a position where he is genuinely hated by ~35% of the population just for being in the position he's in. They would kill him if they could. He's handled it amazingly well, and hasn't needed to stoop to the level of the GOP to make his points. 

God damn, can you imagine these proceedings if the roles were reversed and Donald was a Dem? Would they have the decorum of Schiff orrrrr

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

I believe you know the answer to that @Doc Sam Beckett

This is the same group that has been lying about the “rules” prior to the inquiry even beginning.

Nunes sat during all the depositions knowing he and others could ask questions, knowing that the depositions weren’t secret but were closed in part to keep it from becoming more of a circus than it already was, a circus that was of his and his colleagues own making. That he sat there smug and fatuous and sanctimonious while his conniving brain was seared with the images of his meetings with Lev and Igor and Rudy and Ron and whatever other oligarchs or consigliere of oligarchs he consorted with on his tour of Ukraine and Europe that “blew up” as Fiona Hill testified today is not hearsay or circumstantial; it is evidentiary proof that the Republican Congresspeople would behave like the jackals they are. 

[BradInATX 9208]

Today ITT we learned that Swam/EMA has never held a prestigious enough job to be provided a telephone that has the vaunted and highly advanced "conference" feature.

Edited November 22, 2019 by BradInATX

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 hour ago, Mach 1 said:

Schiff is my Congressman, and I'm proud to have him as my representative.

mine too.

[TexArcher 37506]

The blind Senate vote will not work.  Trump would never honor it.  And I don't trust Republicans to vote to remove anyway.  That plausible deniability thing cuts both ways.

Plus, those who do the right thing and those who don't deserve to have their names and votes recorded in history.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Full transparency needed.

Time to mark in the history books who are traitors on the GOP side.

[WhatTheBuck 28703]

7 hours ago, Underdog said:

Well...  until Elise turns up pregnant and fingers Jordan as the daddy, it might get ugly then. 

Yeah, that would definitely be one ugly baby. 

[Biff Tannen 45491]

6 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Yeah, that would definitely be one ugly baby. 

One snuggly baby?

[henrygandorf 29174]

5 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

And Chris Cuomo, off all people, blows David Holmes testimony out of the water.  Granted he did it in the most Fredo way possible.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/11/21/watch-cnns-chris-cuomo-accidentally-prove-trump-right-about-overheard-phone-call/

i'm not gonna lie.  this is fucking damaging.  i mean, this is the case, really.  this is the one time where we actually heard (or thought we heard) the president literally say he wanted the investigation.  and now that these holes have been poked, it seems like holmes just made it all up, and now we have no proof of trump ever asking for the investigation...

 

 

except for everything he told sondlond.

and rudy.

and the multiple times he said it to tv cameras.

then said it again about china.

then jordan said he was joking.

then trump said no, i'm not joking.

then rudy said it to cuomo on air.

then mulvaney said it in a live press conference.

then he said jk, lol.

then also it was in the transcript he released.

because he thought it was perfect.

but it wasn't perfect.

then it came out that attorneys put that transcript in the secret server.

then they said jk, lol that was a mistake.

but then it wasn't a mistake.

and then the attorneys told people, hey, please don't discuss this perfect call with anyone kthxbai.

 

but really, this all comes down to cuomo's mom.

game.  set.  match.