impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

He's what Steve Bannon could have been had Steve known not to upstage Dotard.

And if Bannon knew how to shower.

[henrygandorf 29190]

14 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Joe Scarborough was saying this morning what I’ve been saying: why are they impeaching the president and not including the obvious crimes he’s committed?

my feeling is that they kept it narrow because it's easy for the public to digest.  this is going to be tried in the court of public opinion, not the senate trial.  the two they listed are also completely airtight and there is zero evidence refuting them.  he's not going to be removed anyway, so they needed to decide what the message would be.  they likely assumed presenting 8-10 articles would confuse people and give team trump a chance to poke holes in a few, thus nullifying all (in their idiot minds).

remember, impeachable offenses don't have to be crimes, and not all crimes are impeachable offenses.  they chose what they thought made the simplest and strongest case.

[Jack Straw 2954]

43 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

if the senate ever manned up and said enough is enough, it would be like the end of casino, with trump and barr getting buried alive.

and it will never, ever be enough.  

weren’t there a bunch of posters on here claiming that R’s would throw Trump under the bus just as soon as it became politically expedient, and it was just a matter of time before that happened?  yeah. R’s have already announced an acquittal before the trial has begun.  It’s almost like every single Republican is fundamentally and chronically dishonest.  

[henrygandorf 29190]

3 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

weren’t there a bunch of posters on here claiming that R’s would throw Trump under the bus just as soon as it became politically expedient, and it was just a matter of time before that happened?  yeah. R’s have already announced an acquittal before the trial has begun.  It’s almost like every single Republican is fundamentally and chronically dishonest.  

i'm sure there were, and i'm not sure they're wrong.

but at this point, it's not politically expedient.  right now, their best chance of re-election/maintaining power is to toe the line or quit (several already have).  mob tactics are effective for a reason.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2019 by henrygandorf
i have ten toes

[Red Five 40857]

So the dems are impeaching him, but not for the crimes he's committed. And Team R has already announced his acquittal in the senate, while taking on the talking point of "there aren't even crimes listed here!". 

Crazy pills. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

Bill Barr is one corrupt motherfucker, that’s for sure. 

Barr has a LOT of skeletons in his closet. Even if he didn't have the whole Federalist, overarching executive power dominion thing going on, his ties to GHW Bush during his time as VP and then later when he was AG under Bush, the CIA, and Iran Contra  he knows things.

If you told me he had more knowledge about the Epstein scandal and human trafficking than anyone could ever know, it would not surprise me.

If you told me that he had knowledge and knew exactly who was involved in the Franklin Credit Union Scandal/Boys Town/Craig Spence human trafficking allegations of 1988 that were deemed a convenient hoax* and conspiracy theory, it would not surprise me. He is a smart evil dude who believes he is righteous, the worst kind.

All the Q anon stuff is crazy, but the human trafficking of children for the wealthy and powerful, that I can totally believe. And that others would exploit that in order to blackmail, well bien sur.

 

 

*So convenient there were 7 suicides (three of them authors/reporters), one plane crash (the lead investigator), and one boating accident (the former CIA chief advising one of the writers investigating).

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/18/us/a-lurid-mysterious-scandal-begins-taking-shape-in-omaha.html

https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/10/still-evil-after-all-these-years/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/9/8/899922/-

 

 

 

 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Sorry for straying so far off topic. Barr gets under my skin because he should have just stayed out of it. 

 

Anyway, the rest of the investigations the WH will just delay delay delay. I am not optimistic that the courts will speed things up unless it’s in his favor. Everyone with an R or R leaning has been bought and paid for. Lady Liberty said so. 

[Rougarou 594]

So when the house votes in January, Trump is formally and officially impeached? All the Senate can do is not vote to remove him (they can't do anything about the stain of impeachment the House will put on him) and he remains the President until November with an asterisk next to his name for the year 2020 meaning he was impeached? I might have failed GOV312, so I'll hang up and listen.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Rougarou

[Red Five 40857]

I think that's all right. The senate trial will be nothing but a waste of everyone's time. 

[Rougarou 594]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I think that's all right. The senate trial will be nothing but a waste of everyone's time. 

Yes, huge waste of time.

What is the benefit of impeaching Trump if he's not removed? It's a pound of flesh, symbolically, of course but does it do anything materially in these times? When GOP don't care or won't be shamed or feel embarrassed by being the enemy of half our country and that Dems hate them? Heck, they might point to being impeached as they did something right and good-- they won so hard that the Dems couldn't stand him and had to impeach?

Essentially the question is, what is the benefit for everyone for him being impeached.

Edited December 13, 2019 by Rougarou

[Longhorn_Fan68 33869]

just asking questions!

[Tuco 5076]

2 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

my feeling is that they kept it narrow because it's easy for the public to digest.  this is going to be tried in the court of public opinion, not the senate trial.  the two they listed are also completely airtight and there is zero evidence refuting them.  he's not going to be removed anyway, so they needed to decide what the message would be.  they likely assumed presenting 8-10 articles would confuse people and give team trump a chance to poke holes in a few, thus nullifying all (in their idiot minds).

remember, impeachable offenses don't have to be crimes, and not all crimes are impeachable offenses.  they chose what they thought made the simplest and strongest case.

I really wish they would have included Bribery.  It's right there in the Constitution as a reason for removal, and is the easiest to explain to people.  We can say impeachable offenses don't need to be crimes, but if they aren't, then it is simply a judgement call on what is impeachable. It's not a right/wrong answer, and that give Republicans a ton of wiggle room. 

[henrygandorf 29190]

2 minutes ago, Rougarou said:

Yes, huge waste of time.

What is the benefit of impeaching Trump if he's not removed? It's a pound of flesh, symbolically, of course but does it do anything materially in these times? When GOP don't care or won't be shamed or feel embarrassed by being the enemy of half our country and that Dems hate them? Heck, they might point to being impeached as they did something right and good-- they won so hard that the Dems couldn't stand him and had to impeach?

Essentially the question is, what is the benefit for everyone for him being impeached.

not to go too far into details of conversations we've been having for the better part of a year, but the prevailing thought is that if you don't impeach, then you're admitting that you're powerless, and that trump is a king who is completely above the law.  if you impeach, you contest that a little, and make senate republicans go on the record.

regardless of how this goes, trump will spin it as a "clear victory" for him, but putting zero guard rails up enables him even more, in my opinion.  not that any of that matters, since he's literally soliciting foreign interference right now, as the hearings are happening.

for a broader picture, it gives the house dems something to campaign on, and shows house pubs acting like fucking monkeys slinging poo at each other.  hopefully the same in the senate.  the optimist in me hopes this is a small win for democratic reform in the long run, but who the f knows at this point.

my go-to line has been "if you're a cop or a prosecutor, do you stop arresting guilty people even if you know the jury is crooked?"  if the answer is yes, there are fundamental issues at work, and the whole system must be burned to the ground.  we're getting closer to that now.

[triplehorn 2664]

------>  March is way better than June.

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

Let me guess, a 5-4 decision? 

[Pasken 1309]

6 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Let me guess, a 5-4 decision? 

Probably won't be ready to release decision until the summer.  

[Brisketexan 105123]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

I think that's all right. The senate trial will be nothing but a waste of everyone's time. 

That's because the rule of law is a waste of everyone's time.  It's dead, Jim.

Seriously, yeah, we had to do it.  Because fuck it, we don't quit.  Fight till the bitter end.  But the outcome is no longer in doubt, if it ever was.

9 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

------>  March is way better than June.

Nope.  Just set for ARGUMENT in June.  They won't issue an opinion for months.

It's over, folks.  All three branches.  Controlled by a criminal organization.

You fuckers with "hope" need to stop with that shit.

 

[David Dennison 18856]

24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That's because the rule of law is a waste of everyone's time.  It's dead, Jim.

Seriously, yeah, we had to do it.  Because fuck it, we don't quit.  Fight till the bitter end.  But the outcome is no longer in doubt, if it ever was.

Nope.  Just set for ARGUMENT in June.  They won't issue an opinion for months.

It's over, folks.  All three branches.  Controlled by a criminal organization.

You fuckers with "hope" need to stop with that shit.

 

The point is, there will be a ruling before the election.

[Horn Dog 9845]

Yea, I would think a decision on this immediately before the election would be the last thing dotard would want.  An earlier decision would give him more time to yell squirrel at our ADHD electorate 

[Brisketexan 105123]

12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The point is, there will be a ruling before the election.

Yes.  The wrong one.

And what signal will that send?  It will tell the admin loud and clear that it answers to no one.  If you thought you saw election interference before...brace yourself, Bridget.  You're going to see nutbar shit, like hacked ballot boxes in precincts where 500 people are registered come back with 500-0 GOP vote counts.  You're going to see open intimidation of voters in minority areas.  They don't have to hide it now.  None of it.  There are no consequences, so there are no rules.

[David Dennison 18856]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yes.  The wrong one.

And what signal will that send?  It will tell the admin loud and clear that it answers to no one.  If you thought you saw election interference before...brace yourself, Bridget.  You're going to see nutbar shit, like hacked ballot boxes in precincts where 500 people are registered come back with 500-0 GOP vote counts.  You're going to see open intimidation of voters in minority areas.  They don't have to hide it now.  None of it.  There are no consequences, so there are no rules.

You don't know that. You have to let it play out.

[Brisketexan 105123]

Just now, David Dennison said:

You don't know that. You have to let it play out.

Of course I don't know the future with certainty.

Just calling it like I see it.  And I've dealt with sociopath criminal types who run seemingly legit organizations.  I know how they tick, how they operate, and what they do.  Trump is following a script.  That's the hell of it -- to anyone with any experience with the type, he's entirely predictable.  And the criminal organization that is the GOP is mostly predictable.  They are doing what those kinds of people do.  And they will keep doing it.  If there's no enforcer there to stop them [and it's pretty clear, there isn't], then they will not only keep doing this shit, they'll get bolder and bolder. Because no consequences.  And in the end, the enterprise/organization they are using dies as a functioning enterprise.  Oh, it may survive as a vehicle for their continued bullshit, but that's all it is -- an alter ego for a criminal game.

You think he's bad now?  Wait till his second term.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

When the Senate acquits, we will then live in a dictatorship full stop. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

33 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You don't know that. You have to let it play out.

Brisket is right on this one David. Barr has been in touch with all of these folks. It's not like they don't meet and talk. Barr did this when he was AG under Bush Sr. WaPo wrote a story about it: the BCCI and money laundering ("bank within a bank") in the late 1980s early 90s. Barr delayed subpoenas, and just pretty much stalled. Do you remember who got the case moving? Swift Boat John Kerry through the state DA's office (NY).

Bush gave them a token slap, but Kerry pushed back in public and got more light shone on the case. But guess what? Barr just dragged it out until he could find a lone scapegoat. Some poor schmoe went down for a rather large tangled crime and the true guilty parties got off with no one the wiser.

Barr is a monarchist at heart, who believes a president is above the law. Hail Trump is his motto. People look at him and think he looks like a teddy bear, but he is a sadistic, mean SOB and he would have your throat slit and sleep like a baby. If you think that is an exaggeration, then go right on dreaming with him.

[David Dennison 18856]

42 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

When the Senate acquits, we will then live in a dictatorship full stop. 

LOL no.

[David Dennison 18856]

45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Of course I don't know the future with certainty.

Just calling it like I see it.  And I've dealt with sociopath criminal types who run seemingly legit organizations.  I know how they tick, how they operate, and what they do.  Trump is following a script.  That's the hell of it -- to anyone with any experience with the type, he's entirely predictable.  And the criminal organization that is the GOP is mostly predictable.  They are doing what those kinds of people do.  And they will keep doing it.  If there's no enforcer there to stop them [and it's pretty clear, there isn't], then they will not only keep doing this shit, they'll get bolder and bolder. Because no consequences.  And in the end, the enterprise/organization they are using dies as a functioning enterprise.  Oh, it may survive as a vehicle for their continued bullshit, but that's all it is -- an alter ego for a criminal game.

You think he's bad now?  Wait till his second term.

I don't think he's nearly as bad as you do, nor do I think the situation is as grim as you do. I just think he's an incompetent buffoon.

I also know he'll eventually be replaced by a Democrat.

Unless, of course, there is an actual hot civil war, in which case, all bets are off. But I'm not seeing it. Hell, even the 60s had riots. We can't even put our phones down to do that.

[atomheartbevo 89659]

45 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

When the Senate acquits, we will then live in a dictatorship full stop. 

If you believe that, then we are already in a dictatorship.     And yet, we aren’t.  Trump can’t silence his critics.   Devin is still suing a fucking fake cow.  Trump is still shitting his Depends on Twitter.   

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just because Trump is an incompetent dictator doesn’t make him any less of one.  His power is about to be completely unchecked.  The courts aren’t going to stop him either because there’s no longer an enforcement mechanism. 

[henrygandorf 29190]

34 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Just because Trump is an incompetent dictator doesn’t make him any less of one.  His power is about to be completely unchecked.  The courts aren’t going to stop him either because there’s no longer an enforcement mechanism. 

the courts will stop him two years from april, pending appeal.  everything is fine.

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Reminder: Doug Collins is still a chaplain in the Air Force Reserve.  A lieutenant colonel at that.   Because he’s acting exactly like a chaplain should.   

In the Air Force? Probably. Is that unusual? The AFA is in Colorado Springs, home of the Crystal Cathedral and a home base for the modern megachurch movement. It's my understanding that the evangelicals have infested the Air Force more than the other branches of service. Collins isn't exactly offering any exculpatory evidence in that regard. He's operating within expected parameters as far as I can tell. 

[triplehorn 2664]

Odds definitely favored the SCOTUS decision for cert in the cases.  It's_not good_that it may be until June to know, but odds are not in Trump's favor to have the lower courts' decisions overturned.  Given that GOP Senate is derelict and complicit, simply having that info come out this summer as opposed to now could be worse for the re-election campaign based on electoral proximity alone.  It's still important that Trump impeached now.  When Trump fails to respond to it with deterrence, House can redouble and Senate increasingly stands to look worse for not taking his abuse of power seriously the first time.  There's going to be an unending river of shit coming out regardless. 

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

If you believe that, then we are already in a dictatorship.     And yet, we aren’t.  Trump can’t silence his critics.   Devin is still suing a fucking fake cow.  Trump is still shitting his Depends on Twitter.   

Trump owns the cops and the Congress. He might own the courts. That's certainly been the goal. Does he own the generals? They may be our only hope. 

I hope there's room for me on the ledge. 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2669]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

the courts will stop him two years from april, pending appeal.  everything is fine.

yep. There was some group..... forget who it was..... who had a slogan of Justice Delayed is Justice Denied. I think they were onto something.

Imagine enforcement and eventual compliance and then the ability to respond to a trove of documents following a June decision even IF it goes against Trump...the SCOTUS majority knows exactly what it's doing. 

Scoot over on the ledge.

[TwiceHorn 31457]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That's because the rule of law is a waste of everyone's time.  It's dead, Jim.

Seriously, yeah, we had to do it.  Because fuck it, we don't quit.  Fight till the bitter end.  But the outcome is no longer in doubt, if it ever was.

Nope.  Just set for ARGUMENT in June.  They won't issue an opinion for months.

It's over, folks.  All three branches.  Controlled by a criminal organization.

You fuckers with "hope" need to stop with that shit.

 

No, it's calendared for argument in March, opinion around June. https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/121319zr_1a7d.pdf

[atomheartbevo 89659]

15 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Trump owns the cops and the Congress. He might own the courts. That's certainly been the goal. Does he own the generals? They may be our only hope. 

I hope there's room for me on the ledge. 

Cops?  The FBI?  The guys that Trump has been constantly, and very publicly, shitting on?

[henrygandorf 29190]

doj/ag.

[WhatTheBuck 28779]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Cops?  The FBI?  The guys that Trump has been constantly, and very publicly, shitting on?

The Attorney General, the "Top Cop," is firmly in Trump's pocket. He's a political actor beholden only to King Trump. Not to the law, not the the Constitution, not to the American people. Just to one man who says that he has unlimited power. If you own the Attorney General, you own the police force. Be loyal to Trump or you're out of a job.

Do you think Chris Wray will be fired soon? I do. I'd be shocked otherwise. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

After reading comments this afternoon and while cooking supper this whole charade was really getting to me. It's dark and depressing and melancholic and makes one feel rather helpless. I've called my reps and will call again on Monday to once again register my dismay regarding their disdain for the Constitution and this country they claim to love. In search of something to uplift my spirits besides alcohol, I went to resist.bot and found this. It's nice to know that others are writing and calling and at least trying to add their voices to save the Republic. (and no, the one from Texas is not me.)

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5793]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

That's because the rule of law is a waste of everyone's time.  It's dead, Jim.

Seriously, yeah, we had to do it.  Because fuck it, we don't quit.  Fight till the bitter end.  But the outcome is no longer in doubt, if it ever was.

Nope.  Just set for ARGUMENT in June.  They won't issue an opinion for months.

It's over, folks.  All three branches.  Controlled by a criminal organization.

You fuckers with "hope" need to stop with that shit.

 

God dammit, a sliver of hope is all I got left! 

[J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. 1084]

9 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Barr has a LOT of skeletons in his closet. Even if he didn't have the whole Federalist, overarching executive power dominion thing going on, his ties to GHW Bush during his time as VP and then later when he was AG under Bush, the CIA, and Iran Contra  he knows things.

If you told me he had more knowledge about the Epstein scandal and human trafficking than anyone could ever know, it would not surprise me.

If you told me that he had knowledge and knew exactly who was involved in the Franklin Credit Union Scandal/Boys Town/Craig Spence human trafficking allegations of 1988 that were deemed a convenient hoax* and conspiracy theory, it would not surprise me. He is a smart evil dude who believes he is righteous, the worst kind.

All the Q anon stuff is crazy, but the human trafficking of children for the wealthy and powerful, that I can totally believe. And that others would exploit that in order to blackmail, well bien sur.

 

 

*So convenient there were 7 suicides (three of them authors/reporters), one plane crash (the lead investigator), and one boating accident (the former CIA chief advising one of the writers investigating).

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/18/us/a-lurid-mysterious-scandal-begins-taking-shape-in-omaha.html

https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/10/still-evil-after-all-these-years/

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2010/9/8/899922/-

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, I hadn't thought about that scandal in a while.  That and the Johnny Gosch missing child saga, including the rumor that he was the Talon Media guy in the press conference are both right up there with the Sandusky affair.

[Satchel 6938]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Just because Trump is an incompetent dictator doesn’t make him any less of one.  His power is about to be completely unchecked.  The courts aren’t going to stop him either because there’s no longer an enforcement mechanism. 

Senator Harris' failed presidential bid may turn out to be a blessing in dIsguise. Barr should consider himself on notice:

 

[UncleCharlie 334]

I can't believe McConnell hasn't said the Senate wont have an impeachment trial during an election year yet....

Fucking traitor.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

9 hours ago, J.R. Juniors Junior Jr. said:

Wow, I hadn't thought about that scandal in a while.  That and the Johnny Gosch missing child saga, including the rumor that he was the Talon Media guy in the press conference are both right up there with the Sandusky affair.

We lived in Nebraska when some of this occurred, so it has always been slightly on my radar. I don't know if the investigators were ever able to tie Craig Spence (suicide) to the Larry KIng (not the talk show host) part of the crimes, but everything got very quiet very fast, especially after people began to die.

William Barr's father, Donald, served in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) during WWII prior to becoming headmaster at the Dalton School and Bill served in the CIA as an analyst while attending law school  including when GHW Bush was there.

Barr's tenure in the Bush Administration began in the OLC prior to becoming Deputy AG in 1990, so these events (the story broke in 1988 and was deemed  "a carefully crafted hoax' in 1990) are probably just coincidence, but you can see how when you combine Barr's father (converting from Judaism to Catholicism-do not know at what time his father converted, but he was raised Jewish) to his son (staunch Catholic, Opus Dei member) and an accused scandal involving Boys Town (a scandal that was shut down pretty quickly) it makes you scratch your head.

Edited December 14, 2019 by Mrs Whiggins
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[TwiceHorn 31457]

12 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

No, it's calendared for argument in March, opinion around June. https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/121319zr_1a7d.pdf

On this, I have little doubt that the Supremes will affirm the lower courts on most of the issues.  Thus, "we" get tax returns and financials and executive branch officials must appear and testify.

I can't really envision any scenario where a Court of any composition doesn't grant cert on these issues.  On the one hand, it prolongs the litigation and delays the release, on the other, it's pretty important to put a bullet in these spurious, overbroad privilege/immunity claims for future reference.  Denying cert because it terminates the litigation and results in immediate release would be an entirely outcome-based decision of the type most would decry.

One thing that I am also pretty certain of is that the Supremes will rule that executive privilege cannot be asserted broadly, but must be claimed narrowly and with particularity, that is "topic/document by topic/document" or "question by question."  That will still leave plenty of room for Trump to stonewall inquiry.  And that will provoke further litigation, most likely.  However, I might expect that that litigation is "cert denied" material because of its "fact bound" nature.

[Biff Tannen 45681]

15 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I don't think he's nearly as bad as you do, nor do I think the situation is as grim as you do. I just think he's an incompetent buffoon.

I also know he'll eventually be replaced by a Democrat.

Unless, of course, there is an actual hot civil war, in which case, all bets are off. But I'm not seeing it. Hell, even the 60s had riots. We can't even put our phones down to do that.

You better pray to the god of skinny punks that you're right because if not, you're just a smug piece of shit that isn't taking this seriously enough.

[Brisketexan 105123]

On this, I have little doubt that the Supremes will affirm the lower courts on most of the issues.  Thus, "we" get tax returns and financials and executive branch officials must appear and testify.
I can't really envision any scenario where a Court of any composition doesn't grant cert on these issues.  On the one hand, it prolongs the litigation and delays the release, on the other, it's pretty important to put a bullet in these spurious, overbroad privilege/immunity claims for future reference.  Denying cert because it terminates the litigation and results in immediate release would be an entirely outcome-based decision of the type most would decry.
One thing that I am also pretty certain of is that the Supremes will rule that executive privilege cannot be asserted broadly, but must be claimed narrowly and with particularity, that is "topic/document by topic/document" or "question by question."  That will still leave plenty of room for Trump to stonewall inquiry.  And that will provoke further litigation, most likely.  However, I might expect that that litigation is "cert denied" material because of its "fact bound" nature.

Your legal analysis is spot on.

What it fails to acknowledge is the fact that the court will - much more artfully and cleverly than he’ll ever be able to understand - protect Trump. Because the GOP is a criminal syndicate. They own states. They own the White House. They own the senate. They own the court. And they’re never letting them go.

[TwiceHorn 31457]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Your legal analysis is spot on.

What it fails to acknowledge is the fact that the court will - much more artfully and cleverly than he’ll ever be able to understand - protect Trump. Because the GOP is a criminal syndicate. They own states. They own the White House. They own the senate. They own the court. And they’re never letting them go.

Inasmuch as unlike the rest of the GOP,  the GOP-appointed justices are not subject to reelection, I think they are free not to protect Trump, including the ones appointed by Trump.  Roberts has already been publicly disloyal to the asshole-in-chief.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Inasmuch as unlike the rest of the GOP,  the GOP-appointed justices are not subject to reelection, I think they are free not to protect Trump, including the ones appointed by Trump.  Roberts has already been publicly disloyal to the asshole-in-chief.  

You must have missed Trumps little tweet this morning reminding that “wonderful “ Kavanaugh who bought and paid for his seat. Retired Justice Kennedy is going to take that secret to his grave. 

[Brisketexan 105123]

Inasmuch as unlike the rest of the GOP,  the GOP-appointed justices are not subject to reelection, I think they are free not to protect Trump, including the ones appointed by Trump.  Roberts has already been publicly disloyal to the asshole-in-chief.  

Roberts will get in line. He’s just another little bitch. “Little bitch” is their brand.

[atomheartbevo 89659]

18 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Inasmuch as unlike the rest of the GOP,  the GOP-appointed justices are not subject to reelection, I think they are free not to protect Trump, including the ones appointed by Trump.  Roberts has already been publicly disloyal to the asshole-in-chief.  

And Turtle and Trump can’t force Roberts to swear Trump in when somebody else wins.   Trump’s two biggest concerns are saving his ass, and protecting/enhancing his little financial empire.   Trump could give a fuck about the GOP itself - it’s all about keeping the wolves at bay and keeping he and his bank accounts safe from the states.   Trump is not happy - anybody who sits around on twitter cranking out 100+ tweets and retweets every day whining about everybody else, is miserable as hell, and not wanting to do their work.   
 

Trump clearly wants out, but he has to deal with the legal fallout.   If he figures that out, he’s out of there.