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1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

They're doing fine.  Started out stressing they're continuing to push legislation forward and putting it in Trump's court, if it doesn't. 

Schiff is handling most of the impeachment questions and is nailing it. 

It’s getting better.  Pelosi showing a little more backbone. 

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I voted for Trump/Against Hilary Clinton.   He should be impeached for: Extortion of a foreign government by withholding military assistance to an ally (and benefitting Russia) in exchange

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I'm a couple pages back in this fast-moving thread, but I wanted to respond to this.   I'm pretty close to you in demographics, and I was also a child who echoed his parents' pro-Reagan stance, a

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Unreal. Biden’s son can take home $1m a year from a Ukrainian company he knows nothing about...but our president acts like the CEO of a company with leverage in cutting deals and this shit happens?

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Just now, Ghost of LL said:

People want to see that the Congress can handle impeachment while still handling the business of government

Yeah, not convinced that last part is as important as everyone thinks.  Trump shut down the government three times over a bullshit wall and no one gave a fuck about his ability to govern afterwards.

Democrats need to stop running from their own shadow

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, not convinced that last part is as important as everyone thinks.  Trump shut down the government three times over a bullshit wall and no one gave a fuck about his ability to govern afterwards.

Democrats need to stop running from their own shadow

It definitely matters for one side and not the other. The GOP will definitely hammer this talking point, Donald himself is doing it as the press conference is in progress. The Dems have to be able to say, wrong you are fake news, here's a list of everything we have tried to accomplish that is killed in the senate. 

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6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I kind of agree.  My worry is that the rest of the complicit criminals will get away.  Just getting him is not enough.

Yeah I'm not saying go after every single thing, including littering or something ridiculous, but narrowing the focus on the Ukraine call is like letting 3 hanging curves go by without lifting the bat, because you are waiting on the fastball. 

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12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

“Other stuff” = obstruction of justice and emoluments and maybe some treason? How about you throw those in there too maybe?

Yeah, I don't want that "other stuff" brushed off and forgotten. Can't set the precedence that it can be done without consequences.

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Yeah, I don't want that "other stuff" brushed off and forgotten. Can't set the precedence that it can be done without consequences.

It also sets up the “he’s being impeached over just a phone call!” defense that we’re gonna hear nonstop.
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46 minutes ago, Red Five said:

“Other stuff” = obstruction of justice and emoluments and maybe some treason? How about you throw those in there too maybe?

money laundering.  plus all the rest.  wait for it.

Agree w GLL above re Pelosi's opening - it was a calm reminder that they're capable of multitasking and doing the important work of governing.  If in the event Trump and Pence aren't fit to remain in office, it's a signal the Speaker has a balanced mind even if her delivery was a little halting to start.

The Ukraine deal has it all - an admission of guilt by POTUS, hard evidence supplied by POTUS, and involvement of his top enforcers - Barr, Pompeo, Rudy.  Keep the focus on this until if/when they acquire the Trump Deutsche Bank financials and Tax returns in the next 6 or so weeks.  Once those drop, it could be the end for the whole damn nest.

 

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so much criminality
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money laundering.  plus all the rest.  wait for it.
Agree w GLL above re Pelosi's opening - it was a calm reminder that they're capable of multitasking and doing the important work of governing.  If in the event Trump and Pence aren't fit to remain in office, it's a signal the Speaker has a balanced mind even if her delivery was a little halting to start.
The Ukraine deal has it all - an admission of guilt by POTUS, hard evidence supplied by POTUS, and involvement of his top enforcers - Barr, Pompeo, Rudy.  Keep the focus on this until if/when they acquire the Trump Deutsche Bank financials and Tax returns in the next 6 or so weeks.  Once those drop, it could be the end for the whole damn nest.
 

I agree—you have to keep your narrative right.


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56 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I kind of agree.  My worry is that the rest of the complicit criminals will get away.  Just getting him is not enough.

They won't just get him--he'll flip on everybody.  Nancy may not be able to read the room but the Republicans have to be absolute morons if they can't read Trump.  He's always been transparent on one thing--me first.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump responding in real time

This really got to Trump because he brings it up every day, multiple times.  The way to get to Trump mentally is to demean him--like he does everybody else.  This impression hit close to home and Trump is worried others have a better understanding of him through the parody.  What doesn't help his case is bringing it up a bunch of times which brings more eyeballs to it, unless he's hoping to desensitize the public to his corruption. 

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3 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

he literally uttered the phrase, "but what about obama" when referring to some conversation with putin.

that's fucking bingo. 

Actually Trump was referencing the conversation with Medvedev (which is the biggest “Whatabout Obama” talking point when it comes to Russia).

 It was an innocuous comment to Medvedev that Obama might work on something with Russia after the 2012 election. 

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That was insane.  He looked like he was going to physically pop.   His strategy is clear:   pretend this is all about one perfect call, and then pretend everything negative that people are saying about the call is a lie, without actually defending the reality of what was said on the call.   Schiff - fake account. Whistleblower - lying and didn't even hear it himself.   The fake news - said there was a quid pro quo demanded 8 times and there wasn't. 

What he wants is the Dems to let up on the transcript and say, "Well, what Schiff did was a mistake, but he said it was a parody, and wasn't claiming to be reading the exact transcript.  And the Whistleblower may have gotten some of the information second hand, but what he's said has been confirmed.   And no quid pro quo is necessary, and blah blah blah."

And suddenly, the story becomes about whether the media and the Whistleblower and Adam Schiff are lying, rather than about Trump extorting Ukraine with taxpayer funds for his personal benefit and the covering it up.  One of the analysts on CNN even engaged with the quid pro quo argument by saying "perhaps you can argue that there was a missing verb for a quid pro quo, but anyone who reads it and understands the context knows..."  And Trump has already gotten what he wanted. 

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4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

That was insane.  He looked like he was going to physically pop.   His strategy is clear:   pretend this is all about one perfect call, and then pretend everything negative that people are saying about the call is a lie, without actually defending the reality of what was said on the call.   Schiff - fake account. Whistleblower - lying and didn't even hear it himself.   The fake news - said there was a quid pro quo demanded 8 times and there wasn't. 

What he wants is the Dems to let up on the transcript and say, "Well, what Schiff did was a mistake, but he said it was a parody, and wasn't claiming to be reading the exact transcript.  And the Whistleblower may have gotten some of the information second hand, but what he's said has been confirmed.   And no quid pro quo is necessary, and blah blah blah."

And suddenly, the story becomes about whether the media and the Whistleblower and Adam Schiff are lying, rather than about Trump extorting Ukraine with taxpayer funds for his personal benefit and the covering it up.  One of the analysts on CNN even engaged with the quid pro quo argument by saying "perhaps you can argue that there was a missing verb for a quid pro quo, but anyone who reads it and understands the context knows..."  And Trump has already gotten what he wanted. 

One days he’s going to actually stroke out in front of the cameras and mics....and it will be the greatest .gif in the history of the internet. 

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