impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

This is the person Republicans in Congress decided to hitch their careers to. I hope every single one of those sycophants gets voted out 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

We still don’t have an actual full transcript of the Ukraine phone call

I know.  But even pointing that out detracts from the fact that the call summary is damning.   Here's what Dems need to say, over and over again "The transcript is damning and clearly shows a quid pro quo, and that's just the part Trump is letting us see.  Twenty minutes are missing!  We read this thing and out of a 30 minute call, it was ten minutes tops.   Where are the missing twenty minutes?!?" 

[henrygandorf 29225]

8 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

That was insane.  He looked like he was going to physically pop.   His strategy is clear:   pretend this is all about one perfect call, and then pretend everything negative that people are saying about the call is a lie, without actually defending the reality of what was said on the call.   Schiff - fake account. Whistleblower - lying and didn't even hear it himself.   The fake news - said there was a quid pro quo demanded 8 times and there wasn't. 

What he wants is the Dems to let up on the transcript and say, "Well, what Schiff did was a mistake, but he said it was a parody, and wasn't claiming to be reading the exact transcript.  And the Whistleblower may have gotten some of the information second hand, but what he's said has been confirmed.   And no quid pro quo is necessary, and blah blah blah."

And suddenly, the story becomes about whether the media and the Whistleblower and Adam Schiff are lying, rather than about Trump extorting Ukraine with taxpayer funds for his personal benefit and the covering it up.  One of the analysts on CNN even engaged with the quid pro quo argument by saying "perhaps you can argue that there was a missing verb for a quid pro quo, but anyone who reads it and understands the context knows..."  And Trump has already gotten what he wanted. 

"if the call was perfect, why hasn't the actual full transcript been released yet?  and why did it get placed in a code-word server typically reserved for matters of national security?  and have other calls with other leaders been inappropriately placed in that server?  and when, if ever, will we get access to those transcripts?"

"if the whistleblower's accounts of the incident and situation were so untrue, then why did your own appointed solicitor (?) deem it urgent and accurate when he followed procedure and passed it on?  why didn't the people who are put in place to confirm the veracity of these types of reports have the same issue you're having?"

any reporter who isn't following one of those threads is missing it.  stop with the schiff nonsense.  stop with the quid pro quo.  stop with the "did the ukraine president actually feel pressure" silliness.  when addressing trump, these are the two threads to pull on.  this isn't about rudy or barr or pompeo.  those matters will take care of themselves with subpoenas and obstruction of congress proceedings.

[henrygandorf 29225]

4 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

I know.  But even pointing that out detracts from the fact that the call summary is damning.   Here's what Dems need to say, over and over again "The transcript is damning and clearly shows a quid pro quo, and that's just the part Trump is letting us see.  Twenty minutes are missing!  We read this thing and out of a 30 minute call, it was ten minutes tops.   Where are the missing twenty minutes?!?" 

eh, i'd say it was closer to 18 minutes.

[atomheartbevo 90650]

On 9/30/2019 at 2:00 PM, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

they won't move fast on this.  they will publicly flog Trump as long as possible because they know that as soon as they say 'guilty' it is out of their hands and the senate gets to work at making it disappear.

You know, Trump isn't acting like somebody who is 100% sure the Senate has his back.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

"The call was perfect and you can't see it. Now here's a complete fantasy I just made up on the spot about Nancy."

[Guest Lobo]

Something, something, missing two minutes with South Austin's Mom, something, something.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

6 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

"if the call was perfect, why hasn't the actual full transcript been released yet?  and why did it get placed in a code-word server typically reserved for matters of national security?  and have other calls with other leaders been inappropriately placed in that server?  and when, if ever, will we get access to those transcripts?"

"if the whistleblower's accounts of the incident and situation were so untrue, then why did your own appointed solicitor (?) deem it urgent and accurate when he followed procedure and passed it on?  why didn't the people who are put in place to confirm the veracity of these types of reports have the same issue you're having?"

any reporter who isn't following one of those threads is missing it.  stop with the schiff nonsense.  stop with the quid pro quo.  stop with the "did the ukraine president actually feel pressure" silliness.  when addressing trump, these are the two threads to pull on.  this isn't about rudy or barr or pompeo.  those matters will take care of themselves with subpoenas and obstruction of congress proceedings.

EXACTLY. It is a "memo," not a transcript and is thus labeled as such. The WH, at least, got that right. People on the more right-leaning forums call it a transcript and are all over Schiff but even if they couldn't understand his commentary, they still miss the essential point of the matter. I agree, that such as it is, it is still enough that the Democrats need to apply the focus and pressure upon that.

[Horn Dog 10158]

34 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

This is the person Republicans in Congress decided to hitch their careers to. I hope every single one of those sycophants gets voted out 

 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

 

[Lurch 5950]

 

Well that’s probably less than ideal

[atomheartbevo 90650]

18 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

 

Pompeo is only 55 and a West Point and Harvard grad.  Interesting that this is the hill he's going to let his political career die on, and that he's willing to go down for Trump.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Stedman got it right.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Pompeo is only 55 and a West Point and Harvard grad.  Interesting that this is the hill he's going to let his political career die on, and that he's willing to go down for Trump.

 

 

 

Where have I seen that look before? Oh! It was Marcia Brady whenever she was talking about Davy Jones: "He's soooo dreamy."

 

@Hugo Stiglitz----That's right! I'm sorry, I forgot you posted that; too much to keep up with at the moment. Stedman did get the scoop on that one.

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Pompeo is only 55 and a West Point and Harvard grad.  Interesting that this is the hill he's going to let his political career die on, and that he's willing to go down for Trump.

Mike must have skipped class at West Point the day they taught about duty, honor, and country. 

[Biff Tannen 46166]

30 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Stedman got it right.

Seems like a big deal.  Add it to the pile.

[4th&Five 42005]

 

[Jack Straw 2955]

26 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Mike must have skipped class at West Point the day they taught about duty, honor, and country. 

And PT 

[immortal13 4059]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not entirely convinced this isn't a head fake by Nancy Pelosi.  She draws his defense (such as it is) with the Ukraine focus and then piles on with all the other shit just before the House vote goes down.

Genius

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

I'm not sure that listening to Donald Trump commit an impeachable offense is itself an impeachable offense. 

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

Never mind. 

But Pence did apparently have contacts with Zelensky separately, so his hands aren’t likely clean

[suddenly shaggy 929]

24 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Never mind. 

But Pence did apparently have contacts with Zelensky separately, so his hands aren’t likely clean

Pence is involved. Trump told us Pence made at least 2 phone calls and had a meeting with Zelensky along with Rick Perry.

Pence also advised against releasing the memo they are trying to pass off as a transcript. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Cool cool cool

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

5 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Where have I seen that look before? 

[staboner 5084]

5 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I'm not sure that listening to Donald Trump commit an impeachable offense is itself an impeachable offense. 

its a race to see who can be the first non-Brazilian person to travel back in time

[Biff Tannen 46166]

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

Cool cool cool
 

Holy what the fuck?  Are you fucking kidding me?

[suddenly shaggy 929]

It takes a lot in this scandal to take me aback. This one did it. 

Rudy was conspiring with Paul Manafort about Ukraine via one of Manafort's lawyers. 

Washington Post, but I'm out of articles. 

 

[troph 25227]

Madow’s connect the dots yesterday was pretty incredible. Has that been discussed? Help for 2020 yes, but undermine the west’s opposition of Russian occupation of Ukraine and delegitimize the findings of Russian interference both of which are the basis for current sanctions in an effort to get those sanctions lifted.

[WhatTheBuck 28930]

45 minutes ago, suddenly shaggy said:

It takes a lot in this scandal to take me aback. This one did it. 

Rudy was conspiring with Paul Manafort about Ukraine via one of Manafort's lawyers. 

Washington Post, but I'm out of articles. 

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464151-giuliani-consulted-with-manafort-on-ukraine-info-report

[Mojo Hand 4580]

 

[Bookman 4764]

Again, a significant reason the American people gave Democrats control of the House of Representatives was to act as a check on Donald Trump, because the Republicans could not be trusted.

[HenryJames 67366]

 

[EMAWesome 101]

 

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

Every swinging dick better renounce him and everything he stands for. Then Dolan needs to be tried for his crimes in a court of law.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

3 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

It would be nice if every single representative would repeat this over and over again. The attack dogs will go after them as Constitution violators, but if the reps lay out exactly the part of the Constitution to which they refer over and over and over again (when those attacks come) it may stick.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

5 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

 

These sycophants are glossing over the entire part about Dolan pressuring the Ukraine president to investigate a political rival. God I can't wait until that dirty pee-fucker is out of office.

[Mdhorn 6166]

9 hours ago, suddenly shaggy said:

It takes a lot in this scandal to take me aback. This one did it. 

Rudy was conspiring with Paul Manafort about Ukraine via one of Manafort's lawyers. 

Washington Post, but I'm out of articles. 

 

Just open it in incognito.

Edited October 3, 2019 by Mdhorn

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

I think I'm going to make a call to my representative. I'm pretty sure it's a Republican. The more of us that call our representatives the better. They need to know that the people they represent want his ass impeached NOW. Call your reps. Pressure the fuck out of them.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

Here is a link to find out who your representative is, if you don't know.

https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

[Pig Bellmont 8886]

seems important 

[Biff Tannen 46166]

31 minutes ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

I think I'm going to make a call to my representative. I'm pretty sure it's a Republican. The more of us that call our representatives the better. They need to know that the people they represent want his ass impeached NOW. Call your reps. Pressure the fuck out of them.

Well, it's a lovely thought, but my rep and both of my senators are full on dotard dick suckers.  They don't give a FUCK what I think.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

My rep is the retiring Bill Flores. I already called his office in DC earlier this year to express displeasure at his lack of spine for standing up the President's awful remarks and policy. Being that Flores is an oil and gas industry bloke, I don't see him as very responsive to a salt the earth kind of move, but I suppose I could give it a try. If he thinks he can gain something from going on the record, then he will do it but he is a coward from all that I've seen.

[HenryJames 67366]

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13629]

1 hour ago, EMAWesome said:

 

I love how this guy whose profession is comedy (cuz we know how the right hates entertainers with political opinions) wants to rail against the media for accuracy in reporting and can't make it out of the first minute of his 14 something minute video without misrepresenting what the tweet says- right about @ 00:43 he claims the precondition for Trump's phone call was Ukraine investigating Biden, while the tweet says the precondition was Trump's insistence that the leaders discuss a possible investigation into Biden- all in a video made to point out the need for accuracy in reporting.

 

Well, at least I didn't have to watch all of it.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Well, it's a lovely thought, but my rep and both of my senators are full on dotard dick suckers.  They don't give a FUCK what I think.

So do it anyway. Be the voice of dissension. It's your right to be heard by them, regardless of where the fall on the political spectrum.

[4th&Five 42005]

 

[Biff Tannen 46166]

26 minutes ago, HOOK'EMHOOAH said:

So do it anyway. Be the voice of dissension. It's your right to be heard by them, regardless of where the fall on the political spectrum.

Oh I've done it.  I've called both Cruz and Cornyn within the past two months and my rep gets regular emails.  I get regular "thanks for contacting me" boilerplate responses.  Not very inspiring.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

I was trying to wade through this link, but the legal stuff is not in my skill set. It seems related to the New York case, but I'm not particularly adept at how all this is going to play out so I will just post the link:

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/DOJ-Vance-10.2.19.pdf

It was filed yesterday and also involves Mazars, his CPA, I believe.

[triplehorn 2664]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

Oh I've done it.  I've called both Cruz and Cornyn within the past two months and my rep gets regular emails.  I get regular "thanks for contacting me" boilerplate responses.  Not very inspiring.

They track the volume of calls and purpose.  Even if you don't get a live person or a meaningful response, the simple effort IS getting their attention.