impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Celery Man 20934]

What does food have to do with Louisiana being a net negative on the country?  I had some awesome breakfast tacos this morning. Last I checked, I am able to enjoy Mexican food without Mexico being a US state. Might have Japanese food for lunch too. 
It would take less than a year for an independent Louisiana to be the worst place to live in the Western Hemisphere. Drinking water would go to shit almost instantly. New Orleans would go permanently underwater. Federal welfare payments would be gone. The job market there already sucks. You could leverage the LOOP probably, but I'm sure all that money would go to a single person who you would name as your new president.  Gangs and militias would pretty much take over entirely. 
Even MS would have a better shot as an independent country than LA. 

I’m catching up and am not sure the context of this but breakfast tacos do not come to us by way of Mexico

[David Dennison 18853]

2 hours ago, American Swindle said:

The pragmatic approach would be to shrink the federal monstrosity over time.

 

It's never going to shrink. 

Think of something else.

[Zonahorn 8079]

1 hour ago, BradInATX said:

lol at EMA finding 12 people on the planet stupider than him. It's probably his greatest life accomplishment since he swam for Texas.

I'm happy for him.

I keep forgetting he's Swam

[hayden_horn 11362]

i don't think he's swam.  he's some kstate jagoff

[Biff Tannen 45673]

3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

i don't think he's swam.  he's some kstate jagoff

Martin Gramatica?

[workswithseed 2100]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I've been saying this for at least a couple of decades.  I routinely find myself teaching my teenagers very basic facts about American history and government structure.  Believe me, I am no wonk -- there are dozens if not hundreds of people on this board who could school me on a civics test -- but for pity's sake, we learned the basics starting in about 3rd grade.  (Not 1776, Paul Revere, "we had a civil war" basics, but things like the House, the Senate, Separation of Powers, the Electoral College, Bill of Rights, etc.)

My kids aren't stupid, they're ignorant, because they haven't been taught.  They actually find a lot of this process interesting.  They didn't know why there are 100 Senators but 435 Representatives.  They didn't know the chain of succession (past VP).  They didn't know "impeached" doesn't mean "removed".  They.  Were.  Never.  Taught.  It's shocking.  I would think it would be mandatory, but apparently not.

They were taught this, unless they're going to private school.

 

[American Swindle 102]

It's never going to shrink. 
Think of something else.

Secession. Then the DSAs can have socialism, the Ancaps Anarchy, the Conservatives can have a Christian state and we can all co-exist.

[DDD Dad 14332]

Well this thread has gone off the rails.

[Biff Tannen 45673]

To get it somewhat back on track, one of the D witnesses for the Judiciary hearings, Noah Feldman(?), was making the argument that unless the House sends the articles over to the Senate, he's not officially impeached.  I found that...odd.

[FondrenRoad 4378]

2 hours ago, Celery Man said:

 

I’m catching up and am not sure the context of this but breakfast tacos do not come to us by way of Mexico

 

Its derivative.  Just like the derivative Cajun food they'll be eating in NYC long after NOLA goes the way of Atlantis.

[David Dennison 18853]

58 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

 

Secession. Then the DSAs can have socialism, the Ancaps Anarchy, the Conservatives can have a Christian state and we can all co-exist.
 

 

Secession means war. 

Try again.

[American Swindle 102]

Secession means war. 
Try again.

I disagree.

[David Dennison 18853]

4 minutes ago, American Swindle said:

I disagree.

 

You think the United States of America is going to allow a state or states to secede without resorting to violence?

[jimmyjazz 45898]

17 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

You think the United States of America is going to allow a state or states to secede without resorting to violence?

Of course they aren't.  We have precedent.

Besides, it's not even close to a practical solution.  How would the red secede from the blue, even if you just went state by state?  (Yes, I realize land doesn't vote.  It's still an instructive image.)

[EMAWesome 101]

6 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

Civics needs to be taught starting in elementary school and reinforced every couple of years after that.

No, civics needs to be taught correctly starting in elementary school and reinforced every couple of years after that.

[David Dennison 18853]

1 minute ago, EMAWesome said:

No, civics needs to be taught correctly starting in elementary school and reinforced every couple of years after that.

There's the tell.

[EMAWesome 101]

4 hours ago, BradInATX said:

lol at EMA finding 12 people on the planet stupider than him. It's probably his greatest life accomplishment since he swam for Texas.

I'm happy for him.

When you add in Jimmyjazzes Russian bot post I found 13.

[jimmyjazz 45898]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

There's the tell.

Yes, "correct" civics includes details like "the United States is a Christian nation", etc.  You know, the stuff everyone agrees on.

[NWBuck 8552]

29 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Of course they aren't.  We have precedent.

Besides, it's not even close to a practical solution.  How would the red secede from the blue, even if you just went state by state?  (Yes, I realize land doesn't vote.  It's still an instructive image.)

Oklahoma and West Virginia as the only true red states. But of course.

[Biff Tannen 45673]

16 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

No, civics needs to be taught correctly starting in elementary school and reinforced every couple of years after that.

No I prefer it to be taught incorrectly.  What a stupid post.

[David Dennison 18853]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

No I prefer it to be taught incorrectly.  What a stupid post.

"Correctly" is code for "white."

[workswithseed 2100]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

"Correctly" is code for "white."

That doesn't even makes sense.

[Huckleberry 32851]

lulz that the same moron who implied he learned that circumstantial evidence normally isn't allowed in a court of law in his high school civics class is lecturing others that it should be taught "correctly" to others.

I can't decide if it would be better if he's a troll or just genuinely as stupid as he seems.

[Ted Lange 16084]

It’s the latter 

[RomaVicta 29904]

On 12/19/2019 at 2:08 PM, Chuckie Finster said:

True or False: Corruption has been in issue in Ukraine for more than 1 year.

True or False: Hunter Biden joined the Burisma board in 2014.

True or False: Trump did not hold up aid to Ukraine in 2017.

True or False: Trump did not hold up aid to Ukraine in 2018.

True or False: Joe Biden announced his candidacy to run for President in April of 2019.

True or False: Ukraine elects a new President, one who explicitly campaigned on anti-corruption measures, in April of 2019.

True or False: Trump holds up Ukraine for the first time in his Presidency, in 2019.

It's also significant that Trump threatened to hold up aid only after the the corrupt administration he was dealing with had been replaced by a hugely popular anti-corruption administration.  He and Rudy preferred the old guys.

GOPs keep pointing to Ukraine as corrupt spurring Trump's concern. No. Trump became concerned when the corruption he was hoping to exploit was replaced. Trump wanted the new guys to play ball like the old guys.

It once would have amazed me that such a simple sequence would be beyond the common understanding of the electorate. No longer. We're a nation of idiots who won't work more than about 10 seconds thinking about an issue critical to the interests of the US.

Trump introduced the corruption that his apologists say he was worried about. It's not that fucking hard to see unless you have an army of shameless criminals in office taking great pains to muddy the water by lying and third rate sophistry. But those are the things that their voters lap up like a dog does vomit.

Anybody now appearing on this board to deny the obvious abuse of power committed by Trump is a disingenuous piece of dogshit who doesn't care a whit about their own integrity or honesty.

Your last ditch is admitting it was an abuse but not removal worthy. It's a shitty, pus-filled ditch that you share with crawling vermin, but at least the level of disingenuousness is less toxic than denying the facts about what Trump did.

Be kind to yourself. Choose the less odious form of treason.

[MissingInAction 25033]

6 hours ago, American Swindle said:

 

If you deny it’s existence then you’re an obtuse ignoramus.

This is fun!

 

Shouldn't you be selling garbage cans somewhere?

[ChickenSandwich 9832]

1 hour ago, NWBuck said:

Oklahoma and West Virginia as the only true red states. But of course.

So only three tiny NW "Blue" states total, the rest are blue cities surrounded by Red states

 

 

[Brisketexan 105093]

So only three tiny NW "Blue" states total, the rest are blue cities surrounded by Red states
 
 

The judges also would have accepted “economic engines surrounded by drags on the economy.” For accuracy’s sake.

[bolverk 29659]

9 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

So only three tiny NW "Blue" states total, the rest are blue cities surrounded by Red states

 

 

^^^When we actually take voters into account instead of dirt.

[Brisketexan 105093]

7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

^^^When we actually take voters into account instead of dirt.

[Rorschach] I don't see why you had to post a picture of your naked mother baking a pizza while having sex with the mailman [/Rorshach]

[Surly] But we're glad you did.  [/Surly]

[henrygandorf 29189]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The judges also would have accepted “economic engines surrounded by drags on the economy.” For accuracy’s sake.

when you lose the popular vote by millions and are positioned to lose by even more next fall, you start to get creative with visual presentations.

[Bateshorn 9927]

Jesus.  
 

Stop feeding the troll. 

[American Swindle 102]

You think the United States of America is going to allow a state or states to secede without resorting to violence?

It’s pretty telling that you assume the federal overlords would resort to violence, it makes one wonder why we look to them for all the answers to all of our problems economically, foreign and domestic.


My answer is I’d hope not but most likely would be no.

[Incredulity 11663]

3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Of course they aren't.  We have precedent.

Besides, it's not even close to a practical solution.  How would the red secede from the blue, even if you just went state by state?  (Yes, I realize land doesn't vote.  It's still an instructive image.)

Wtf are you talking about?

 

[American Swindle 102]

Shouldn't you be selling garbage cans somewhere?

I can simultaneously sell trash cans and toilet paper while posting unpopular takes on the surly

[EMAWesome 101]

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yes, "correct" civics includes details like "the United States is a Christian nation", etc.  You know, the stuff everyone agrees on.

Do you honestly think none of the numbskulls that are posting that Trump has been removed from office haven't been taught civics?  It was required in my podunk high school that had an enrollment of 120 students at the time.  Most of these people have been in civics classes.  They may have been asleep, too busy passing kissy kissy notes to the girl in the sweater with the big tits three chairs away from them, or watching the second hand of the clock spin around but they were there.  They either weren't taught the basics or they weren't taught them in a way that kept the knowledge retained in their brains.  That's on the teachers.

[EMAWesome 101]

3 hours ago, workswithseed said:

That doesn't even makes sense.

Welcome to a David Dennison post.

[EMAWesome 101]

4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Yes, "correct" civics includes details like "the United States is a Christian nation", etc.  You know, the stuff everyone agrees on.

Oh yeah, you got me, the guy who hasn't set foot in a church other than for a wedding or a funeral since approximately 1983 is a raging Christian fundamentalist.

[4th&Five 41525]

 

[Horn Dog 9817]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

^^^When we actually take voters into account instead of dirt.

I guess its appropriate that this looks like a healthy blue cell being attacked and strangled by a red HIV virus

[jimmyjazz 45898]

1 hour ago, Incredulity said:

Wtf are you talking about?

 

Let's try again:  what states would secede, and what would the new map of the remaining United States look like?  You know, on the off chance Swindle is right and the US would say "OK, cool, Hook'em, see ya later".

[hobbes2702 13032]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

^^^When we actually take voters into account instead of dirt.

Someone explain this to me

[hobbes2702 13032]

36 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Do you honestly think none of the numbskulls that are posting that Trump has been removed from office haven't been taught civics?  It was required in my podunk high school that had an enrollment of 120 students at the time.  Most of these people have been in civics classes.  They may have been asleep, too busy passing kissy kissy notes to the girl in the sweater with the big tits three chairs away from them, or watching the second hand of the clock spin around but they were there.  They either weren't taught the basics or they weren't taught them in a way that kept the knowledge retained in their brains.  That's on the teachers.

What did they teach about circumstantial evidence? Or were you too busy passing kissy kissy notes

[Jack Straw 2954]

3 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

Shouldn't you be selling eating out of garbage cans somewhere?

 

[TwiceHorn 31447]

The minimum requirement for Texas high school graduation is one year of American history, from 1877 to present (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) and one semester of American government.

As I recall, we alternated years in middle school social studies from American to world history type things before high school and there was a goodly bit of civics thrown in there, along with a semester of Texas history in 7th grade I believe.

Does UT still require six hours of American history and six of government?

[Upgrayedd 5810]

27 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Let's try again:  what states would secede, and what would the new map of the remaining United States look like?  You know, on the off chance Swindle is right and the US would say "OK, cool, Hook'em, see ya later".

Have you seen congressional district maps?  Like that.

[bolverk 29659]

14 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Someone explain this to me

A map of the US with the geographic size of counties given equal weight to their populations. The shading of red to blue should be obvious.

The point being that the typical graphic representation of the US showing small, isolated blue "islands" minimizes the weight those intensely populated urban areas carry when it comes to accurately displaying the sheer number of votes.

[hobbes2702 13032]

7 minutes ago, bolverk said:

A map of the US with the geographic size of counties given equal weight to their populations. The shading of red to blue should be obvious.

The point being that the typical graphic representation of the US showing small, isolated blue "islands" minimizes the weight those intensely populated urban areas carry when it comes to accurately displaying the sheer number of votes.

I got this gist but wasn’t sure why it was sized that way. Thank you for clarifying 

[triplehorn 2664]

Pic of Trump leaving the Oval as his two article impeachment was being finalized.  

 his Linda Blair face

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

I got this gist but wasn’t sure why it was sized that way. 

That's what she said.  ???