impeachment inquiry hearings thread

[Fudge Nuggets 19118]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s got to make Stefanik nervous, and may even make the GOP spend money there it doesn’t necessarily have.  Stefanik hasn’t exactly made herself look good.   

One thing I’ve learned over the years is the thought of a political party running out of money for a campaign (that they deem important) is complete bullshit.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

The faster-track case being decided in the courts right now re the Don McGahn (former WH counsel) claim of "absolute immunity" will have a cascade effect on all the other potential House witnesses refusing.  If the courts rule against he hokey absolute immunity claim, McGahn will be compelled to testify.  I suppose daily fines or jail time could follow.  So in other words, it's not necessarily going to be a war of attrition with every witness.  Once McGahn's case is resolved, the rest should follow in short order.

It would seem unlikely that a highly-paid private (now) attorney like McGahn is going to risk his law license over trump. McGahn is only 51 so his top earning potential is in front of him.   If a court tells him he has to testify, I would expect him to fully testify.

 

[triplehorn 2664]

Remember when MoscowMitch was talking about the Senate hearing the impeachment case by Thanksgiving ?? 

Spoiler

 

My, that was wishful thinking, wasn't it  Mitch?? No, this is going into election season 2020.  Pelosi has already proclaimed that before impeaching Trump, the case would have to be "ironclad".  I expect that means they will wait for the courts to rule on key witnesses being c ompelled to testify in the multiple cases of Mueller reTrump obstruction of justice, the Ukraine bribery scheme, an possibly those associated with Trump financial fraud.  On that last note, the other pending matters that could make impeachment ironclad are the final rulings on Mazars turning over his tax returns and the banks (Deutsche bank in particular) turning over their Trump financial records.  

Keep in mind we've only had two days of public witness testimony in the impeachment inquiry so far.  Shit went south for dotard fast at the inception in the last few days.  It's only just getting started.

[henrygandorf 29174]

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

I expect that means they will wait for the courts to rule on key witnesses being compelled to testify

well this cannot be, because i was told by jim jordan that bill taylor was the star witness for the dems.

[Homercles 10205]

4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

“I had no idea that working for Don Vito Corleone’s Totally Legitimate Waste Management Business, and Definitely not a Criminal Enterprise, was a bad idea.”

[Tuco 5076]

There is a risk that people will eventually tune it out.  

But, there are so many things happening in parallel which could affect the impeachment greatly, including the case against Lev and Igor.  

I wonder if she just wants to send a signal to potential, reluctant witnesses that they are not waiting this shit out. 

[SizzleChest 8275]

6 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

in terms of officials refusing to testify, the democrats are going to have to take them to court to compel them. While I agree a president and his staff should have limited exec priv, it can’t be a higher power than congress impeaching a president.

if exec priv creates that power, the a president could do anything as long as he only speaks with his loyal staff. If not just with one loyal person.

can a question about exec privilege and impeachment go directly to the SCOTUS for a quick response? Or is losing that battle too much of a risk for the Dems?

 

Trump clearly never saw GoodFellas or if he did, didn’t pay attention to how Paulie only gave orders to one person and never on the phone.

And he still had ended up in jail after getting ratted out by Henry Hill.

[Gatorubet 30064]

36 minutes ago, SizzleChest said:

Trump clearly never saw GoodFellas or if he did, didn’t pay attention to how Paulie only gave orders to one person and never on the phone.

And he still had ended up in jail after getting ratted out by Henry Hill.

Henry Hill wound up selling his "art" before he died.   Basically, I bought a piece that shows a pizza and a rat and a gun, with the quote " As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster..."  Was not expensive.  Or good.

 

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

35 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Henry Hill wound up selling his "art" before he died.   Basically, I bought a piece that shows a pizza and a rat and a gun, with the quote " As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster..."  Was not expensive.  Or good.

 

 

Name your price

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

There is a risk that people will eventually tune it out.  

But, there are so many things happening in parallel which could affect the impeachment greatly, including the case against Lev and Igor.  

I wonder if she just wants to send a signal to potential, reluctant witnesses that they are not waiting this shit out. 

Fiona testifying on, what is it, Thursday? has a lot of potential to hold people's attention. While she was not in office during the phone call (was on vacation) her 446 pages of testimony include a lot of Bolton, Sondland, Giuliani and his two friends. Gym Jordan was present and asked questions as did Zeldin, so they can't claim they didn't know.

[atomheartbevo 89362]

4 hours ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

One thing I’ve learned over the years is the thought of a political party running out of money for a campaign (that they deem important) is complete bullshit.

No, they won’t run out.   It’s more about if they have to dump additional money into her campaign, that is money that won’t be available elsewhere.    Will it cost a seat somewhere else?  Normally, probably not.   But if there are half-a-dozen, a dozen, maybe more House seats that need additional money defending them, it becomes a serious problem.

The problem for the Republicans in the House is that next year is 2020.  GOP ain’t getting the House back next year, and their priority is to retain the Senate and the White House.

More importantly, the US Census wraps up in December of 2020, which means state legislatures start redrawing lines in 2021.

Next year will see money poured into state legislature races the likes of which we have never seen before. The GOP will pull out all of the stops, because if they lose more state legislatures/governorships, then it won’t make a shit how much they pour into a lot of Republican House races.

 

[TexasEd 8062]

Before this is over the Democrats will be making a substantiated point that Trump was acting in Putin's best interests by withholding the defense aid from Ukraine, blaming Ukraine for the 2016 election interference and suggesting that Maybe Russia should just keep Crimea.

 

[TornACL 7673]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Henry Hill wound up selling his "art" before he died.   Basically, I bought a piece that shows a pizza and a rat and a gun, with the quote " As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster..."  Was not expensive.  Or good.

 

One rat goes one way, the gun goes the other way, and the pizza's sayin', "Whadda ya want from me?'

[Gatorubet 30064]

2 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Name your price

I'm such a big fan of the movie, I can't let go of it.   I'm sure there are other "pieces" around.  He even had some kind of half-assed certificate of authenticity that went with  it.   Hell, he might have had his buddies paint and sell them after he died.  I mean, it's fuckin' Henry Hill.    He'd rest easy knowing he took some marks after he died.     

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Henry Hill wound up selling his "art" before he died.   Basically, I bought a piece that shows a pizza and a rat and a gun, with the quote " As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster..."  Was not expensive.  Or good.

 

 

I'm going to need to see a picture of this masterpiece

[Gatorubet 30064]

5 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

I'm going to need to see a picture of this masterpiece

Edited November 18, 2019 by Gatorubet

[tantric superman 4667]

Powdered sugar pizza. 

Delicious.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

6 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

 

It's even better than I imagined. Thank you.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13537]

Did you stick that on the fridge?

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

I'm such a big fan of the movie, I can't let go of it.   I'm sure there are other "pieces" around.  He even had some kind of half-assed certificate of authenticity that went with  it.   Hell, he might have had his buddies paint and sell them after he died.  I mean, it's fuckin' Henry Hill.    He'd rest easy knowing he took some marks after he died.     

Yeah that's badass. I don't care if it looks as shitty as my chick's "wine and paint" sunset painting hanging in my hallway, it's a sweet talking point. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19327]

5 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Did you stick that on the fridge?

Did you rip the family heirloom portrait out of its frame and put that in its place and hang it in your great hall?

[Horn Dog 9644]

20 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

That would make a bad ass pizza box design

[Gatorubet 30064]

7 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Yeah that's badass. I don't care if it looks as shitty as my chick's "wine and paint" sunset painting hanging in my hallway, it's a sweet talking point. 

Yup.   This.    Chicks don't dig it at all.  Guys usually love it.   But it balances out the palette of the poker playing dogs tapestry. 

[conVINCEd 21468]

3 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Name your price

There’s some stuff out there if you don’t mind parting with a few hundred bucks.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HENRY-HILL-GOODFELLAS-PAINTING-GANGSTER-RAT-Mobster-Art-Gangster-Ray-Liotta/123801589564?hash=item1cd326573c:g:WZYAAOSwVClc-t1N

Edited November 18, 2019 by conVINCEd

[mchookem 16095]

how fucking perfect, the direction this thread has taken.  well done. rep all around.

[Brisketexan 104465]

how fucking perfect, the direction this thread has taken.  well done. rep all around.

It really is. America/surly in a perfect nutshell.

[Irieguy 1059]

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I'm such a big fan of the movie, I can't let go of it.   I'm sure there are other "pieces" around.  He even had some kind of half-assed certificate of authenticity that went with  it.   Hell, he might have had his buddies paint and sell them after he died.  I mean, it's fuckin' Henry Hill.    He'd rest easy knowing he took some marks after he died.     

Did you hear any of Henry Hill’s calls in to the Stern show?  Late in his life and deep in to his alcoholism Henry would call in and basically beg the mafia to come kill him. Terribly sad yet compelling radio. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26232]

Thanks Debbie Downer

[sachick 1189]

[atomheartbevo 89362]

41 minutes ago, sachick said:

Jennifer Williams....that name sounds familiar.  

 

[HenryJames 65868]

50 minutes ago, sachick said:

[Mole 4318]

So Tuesday’s the big day?

[triplehorn 2664]

1 hour ago, sachick said:

And guy not yet on there testified yesterday behind closed doors:

”Mark Sandy, a career official at the White House Office of Management and Budget, delivered a potentially damning closed-door testimony on Saturday about the timeline and events surrounding the decision to freeze aid. 

[...]
“All I expect him to say is he doesn’t know why the aid was held and wished that he did,” Mark Meadows, a North Carolina Republican and close ally to the president, told the Associated Press, adding: “But I may be surprised.”

 

Edited November 18, 2019 by triplehorn

[WhatTheBuck 28700]

37 minutes ago, Mole said:

So Tuesday’s the big day?

Sondland on Wednesday. 

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Tuco 5076]

Sondland on Wednesday. 

Yep. That’s the one where there will be a change in direction. He could plead the fifth, refute other witnesses, or change his testimony. (Or try a “I don’t recall” approach.)

[SizzleChest 8275]

12 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Yep. That’s the one where there will be a change in direction. He could plead the fifth, refute other witnesses, or change his testimony. (Or try a “I don’t recall” approach.)

Chance of occurrence: 

Change his testimony to layer in a shitload of “I don’t recall” - 80%

Plead the 5th - 18%

Refute other witnesses - 2%*

*- technically, he really can’t refute what Taylor, Kent, and Yovanovitch testified, as they were not on the calls or in the rooms.  He can say they did not understand because of this, but that would be a tightrope to walk with all the other witness testimony.  He could refute Holmes’ testimony, but he would most likely perjure himself if he is not extremely careful with his words.

Edited November 18, 2019 by SizzleChest

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

8 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Sondland on Wednesday. 

 

28 minutes ago, Tuco said:

Yep. That’s the one where there will be a change in direction. He could plead the fifth, refute other witnesses, or change his testimony. (Or try a “I don’t recall” approach.)

He can "forget," but Dr. Hill goes on Thursday and while not on the call, she could provide some back story. She was the one Bolton sent down the hall to see what scheme they were cooking up, etc. I am going to be shocked, shocked and awed if Jim Jordan doesn't play up the theme that her counterpart when she was a national intelligence officer was Christopher Steele. He (Jordan) quizzed her about it during a large part of his time.

[Tuco 5076]

1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

Chance of occurrence: 

Change his testimony to layer in a shitload of “I don’t recall” - 80%

Plead the 5th - 18%

Refute other witnesses - 2%*

*- technically, he really can’t refute what Taylor, Kent, and Yovanovitch testified, as they were not on the calls or in the rooms.  He can say they did not understand because of this, but that would be a tightrope to walk with all the other witness testimony.  He could refute Holmes’ testimony, but he would most likely perjure himself if he is not extremely careful with his words.

I'd put the selective amnesia percentage considerably lower.  It'd be one thing if it was three years ago.  This was 3 months ago, and it was something he had appeared to have a strong opinion on.  I'm betting his lawyers are telling him it won't stand up in a perjury trial. And I don't think he is acting like someone who is willing to do prison time to cover Trump.   I think it's 50% he doesn't testify (either takes the fifth, jumps on the executive privilege bandwagon painfully late, or there is a delay while he works through a deal.) If he does testify, I think it's 50/50 on whether he says Trump explicitly told him to push the investigation-for-military support, and whether he just pretends he wasn't told explicitly to push the quid pro quo, but had misinterpreted the President's intent.  This latter approach would be roughly consistent with his past testimony, but would continue to put Sondland at risk should their be direct evidence to the contrary.  

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

5 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I'd put the selective amnesia percentage considerably lower.  It'd be one thing if it was three years ago.  This was 3 months ago, and it was something he had appeared to have a strong opinion on. 

That's a good point plus the folks testifying both before and after him, seem to have no difficulty recalling the events in question. I've definitely had some days where I draw a blank ("but Mom, don't you remember you said I could go?"), but if given a moment, I can usually recall enough to give a general account.

[SizzleChest 8275]

I think were saying the same thing on the testimony change.  Basically, obfuscation either in recall or interpretation.  The Rs on the committee will push the line of multiple conversations with lots of details and how could anyone sort all this out, blah blah blah.

[HenryJames 65868]

 

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

2 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

that's pretty fucking interesting.  the hill upset they were used as propaganda

[Brisketexan 104465]

7 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

that's pretty fucking interesting.  the hill upset they were used as propaganda

Well then....maybe they shouldn't have let that fucking happen.  Lazy fucks.

[WBT 20397]

On 11/17/2019 at 10:05 AM, Brisketexan said:

“I had no idea that working for Don Vito Corleone’s Totally Legitimate Waste Management Business, and Definitely not a Criminal Enterprise, was a bad idea.”

*olive oil importer

[Brisketexan 104465]

5 minutes ago, WBT said:

*olive oil importer

Yeah, I went with a Godfather/Soprano's mixed metaphor.  Probably pissed off a Sicilian or two with that....

[Dnaguy 11740]

20 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Well then....maybe they shouldn't have let that fucking happen.  Lazy fucks.

This

[Chooky 13292]

The Hill Editor-In-Chief Bob Cusack has announced that he will begin doing his fucking job today.

[Eastwood 4394]

I'm sure as this goes on, a lot of people cashing in on clicks will conveniently find their courage.