Elizabeth Warren 2020

[kevwun 15572]

The 2 greatest champions working people ever had were Northeasterners who came from old money.

Edited March 6, 2019 by kevwun

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The 2 greatest champions working people ever had were Northeasterners who came from old money.

Different era I believe though ?  

[kevwun 15572]

No, rich people who gave a shit about the average American were just as rare back then.  Rupert Murdoch doesn't have shit on William Randolph Hearst and Jay Gould was such an asshole he makes just about any other billionaire look like Mother Theresa.

Edited March 6, 2019 by kevwun

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

No, rich people who gave a shit about the average American were probably even rarer back then.

True to some extent, but there was a time when being rich meant giving back, doing civic duty.  The modern rich (20th c. rich) went away form that in droves

[Tom 2959]

It's amazing to me how people like Clinton (Bill), Obama, and Warren get labeled as elites when all three came from modest backgrounds and worked their way up.  Bill's an Arkie and Warren's an Okie, but they're the NE coastal elites.  Then there's Donald Trump, a New Yorker who inherited $400 million from his father and bankrupted companies and grifted up to billionaire status,  is the champion of the working class.

[kevwun 15572]

Anyone who is a Democrat is automatically a coastal elite.  Doesn't matter where or what they came from. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

It's amazing to me how people like Clinton (Bill), Obama, and Warren get labeled as elites when all three came from modest backgrounds and worked their way up.  Bill's an Arkie and Warren's an Okie, but they're the NE coastal elites.  Then there's Donald Trump, a New Yorker who inherited $400 million from his father and bankrupted companies and grifted up to billionaire status,  is the champion of the working class.

Bill Clinton an elite ? Arkansans are never elite anything...  His wife on the other hand........

[TwiceHorn 31086]

4 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Bill Clinton an elite ? Arkansans are never elite anything...  His wife on the other hand........

He may have humble origins, but once he became a Rhodes Scholar, he became elite.  Probably once he went to G'town, actually.  Obama's a Kenyan product of miss-kedge-ination, so he's a furrin elite, too.

Edited March 6, 2019 by TwiceHorn

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

He may have humble origins, but once he became a Rhodes Scholar, he became elite.  Probably once he went to G'town, actually.  Obama's a Kenyan product of miss-kedge-ination, so he's a furrin elite, too.

Clinton never really played the part of an elite though IMO. I give him credit for that.  I know a couple Rhodes Scholars, and their personas are nothing like an elite

[TwiceHorn 31086]

12 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Clinton never really played the part of an elite though IMO. I give him credit for that.  I know a couple Rhodes Scholars, and their personas are nothing like an elite

 

6 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

Yeah, I don't remember Clinton ever being called an elite.  He always carried that Arkansas image not east coast elite image. 

Yeah, I'm not saying he played it up, but he was/is, in fact, an elite.  More elite than Warren.

Whether and how rubes perceive a candidate, as elite or anything else, tends to be rather unfathomable.  See, e.g., Donald Trump.  I think his being a tv personality curried more favor with the rubes than anything else.

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[RomaVicta 29704]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

We’re getting awfully close to the “Elizabeth Warren needs to update her hair and makeup and wear more fashion forward clothing” conversation and fair warning, I’m getting preemptively bitchy about it.

I don't think anyone here is saying she needs to do so to get our votes. At this moment she has mine although I've always liked Joe Biden.

I'm really only the most casual observers of politicians. I didn't realize until reading this thread that she has the image of a "ball cutter" which she may be trying to soften. Knowing that, I still think the gammy thing is a mistake. I doubt she has much of a national persona for most voters. 

She doesn't need to redefine. She needs to define for people like me who have a rather soft focus on who she is beyond a few positions that I know she's taken. 

She needs to present as President of the United States. She needs to decide what that look likes instead of thinking looks don't matter as much as substance. Like I wrote above, it makes me want to vomit to write that, but it's undeniably true that substance is, at best, half of what gets someone elected to the White House.

This is one of the very few times I'll make a political prediction: If she doesn't make some tweaks and soon, her candidacy will never get off the ground. That would profoundly disappoint me.

 

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[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

She’s going to have to really stand out in that first debate.

[troph 24499]

7 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

She needs good surrogates. If you watch Bernie's first two rallies (Brooklyn & Chicago), Nina Turner is on right before him and she gets the crowd hyped as hell. She does her "WITH THESE HANDS" bit and the audience is ready to go behead some capitalists, so Bernie walks up to a warm crowd.

 

I got to do that for Beto once, it was bad ass.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

53 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She’s going to have to really stand out in that first debate.

She'll be what, one of 345 other democrat candidates running for POTUS ?  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

She'll be what, one of 345 other democrat candidates running for POTUS ?  

They’re splitting up the first debate due to the number of candidates.  They will take place on consecutive nights. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

They’re splitting up the first debate due to the number of candidates.  They will take place on consecutive nights. 

So it's a mini series ?

[bad_teammate 13115]

Sanders defended Ilhan, then Harris.

Now, here comes Warren.

2020 candidates see what Congressional shitlibs do not

 

[zork 629]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/shirtless-justin-trudeau-politicians-young-fresh-faced/us-senator-elizabeth-warren-student-month-thesenate-chamber/

[Incredulity 11441]

All 4 of these young versions are extreme on punchable rating.

 

 

[NWBuck 8536]

Well, except for Laura. She's a saint.

[bad_teammate 13115]

She's great, folks. She rules.

 

[TwiceHorn 31086]

I'm also a bit troubled by things like not shaking DeVos' hand (Al Franken did), and refusing to say that Pence is a decent man (Biden did).  I don't care how contemptible you believe them to be, or how right you are about it, that's just not how you play politics successfully I don't believe.

[kevwun 15572]

Normally I would agree, but these ain't normal times.  Those two are human sacks of shit and following normal protocols when interacting with them gives them legitimacy that they do not deserve.

Edited March 8, 2019 by kevwun

[TwiceHorn 31086]

Well, I think "the times" are a big part of the problem.  Someone has to be better than that.

Both sides ignored, benignly or malignantly, the rubes.  Just by acknowledging their presence and lying his ass off to them. Trump captured a big vote and created a monster.

You don't really have to educate them, just acknowledge them and they may be yours forever.  You never know when common courtesy, even insincere as hell, is going to help you out, or the lack of it fry your ass.

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[Biff Tannen 45439]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, I think "the times" are a big part of the problem.  Someone has to be better than that.

People have been trying to be the bigger person for 20 years and look where it's gotten us.  It's time to smack these people down.

[kevwun 15572]

Playing nice with people who ignore the law, morality, protocol, etiquette and anything else doesn't accomplish anything.  People don't need to shake Mitch McConnell's hand.  They need to spit at his feet and turn their back to him.  These people need to be shunned at every opportunity.

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[Jack Straw 2953]

28 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Playing nice with people who ignore the law, morality, protocol, etiquette and anything else doesn't accomplish anything.  People don't need to shake Mitch McConnell's hand.  They need to spit at his feet and turn their back to him.  These people need to be shunned at every opportunity.

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[bad_teammate 13115]

I refuse to get on this lifeboat because the man in the front of it was very rude to that iceberg.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

 

[gmr548 16427]

Well, I think "the times" are a big part of the problem.  Someone has to be better than that.
Both sides ignored, benignly or malignantly, the rubes.  Just by acknowledging their presence and lying his ass off to them. Trump captured a big vote and created a monster.
You don't really have to educate them, just acknowledge them and they may be yours forever.  You never know when common courtesy, even insincere as hell, is going to help you out, or the lack of it fry your ass.

Because Trump used decorum to sway voters.

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[bad_teammate 13115]

Hell fuckin' yes

She's so cool.

[TDunk 590]

She was solid on The Beat tonight.  No notes needed and had actual ideals.  Give me a Warren and Beto/Buttigieg ticket any day.  

[6th Street 6329]

This crazy old woman wants to break up AMZN, FB, and GOOGL lol. 

Biden is going to destroy her

[troph 24499]

I'm also a bit troubled by things like not shaking DeVos' hand (Al Franken did), and refusing to say that Pence is a decent man (Biden did).  I don't care how contemptible you believe them to be, or how right you are about it, that's just not how you play politics successfully I don't believe.

Pence is decent under a definition that’s putrid, spoiled and gone rancid. The man believes having a one on one meeting with a woman is not ok because of the sex that might happen. It’s blatant sexism it’s exclusionary of half the population from positions of power. He thinks natural variation on our sexuality is some how akin to all of the harmful seven deadly sins combined times infinity so much so he is okay with every kind of pervasive discrimination (healthcare, insurance, housing, employment) that’s possible against lgbtq folks. The fact that he thinks he is decent and the fact that he sincerely believes this crap does not make him decent. It makes him a man that sincerely believes women should be kept in their place and that queer folk are inferior and should be kept down.

Fuck that. The guy is gross.

[bad_teammate 13115]

Very happy to see it ain't just Bernie with the big crowds.

God, President Warren would be so great

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

54 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

This crazy old woman wants to break up AMZN, FB, and GOOGL lol. 

Biden is going to destroy her

 

She can start with AT&T

[GSU&UT 1798]

8 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Very happy to see it ain't just Bernie with the big crowds.

God, President Warren would be so great

She visited Lawrenceville, about 15 minutes or so where we live. Because we had our young daughter with us we only got to see a few minutes of her but she got a decent crowd in metro Atlanta which used to be a huge white flight suburb.

 

[Michael Knight 12853]

On 3/6/2019 at 12:26 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

True to some extent, but there was a time when being rich meant giving back, doing civic duty.  The modern rich (20th c. rich) went away form that in droves

noblesse oblige

[bad_teammate 13115]

I'm fine with this.

 

[David Dennison 18487]

On 3/6/2019 at 12:26 PM, Onboard 2.0 said:

True to some extent, but there was a time when being rich meant giving back, doing civic duty.  The modern rich (20th c. rich) went away form that in droves

When was that?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Yeah lets be careful about those comparisons till she actually you know....... does something....

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

 

[6th Street 6329]

Clearly an issue that Rust Belt voters care deeply about

[TwiceHorn 31086]

Interesting Article I Stumbled Across

 

I'm kind of ambivalent about increased antitrust enforcement.  It's pretty clear that the Sherman and Clayton Acts, as originally conceived, were very economically naive.  However, I might accept that the "business justification" rule of reason has taken too much out of them.

And for big tech, I'm really unsure.  Microsoft's relatively sudden loss of monopoly/market power seems to be a testament to the way antitrust laws are currently enforced and interpreted.

And there are other reasons besides "compeititon"/antitrust to break up big banks and big tech.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Going into the red states.  I like it. 

[bad_teammate 13115]

She rules.

[bad_teammate 13115]

Good podcast explaining why the concept of "electability" is complete bullshit.

The "electability" narrative naturally benefits white people, males, and those most aligned with the corporate interests that fund media via advertising.

Beto, Biden... "electable"

Warren, Bernie... "unelectable"

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Good podcast explaining why the concept of "electability" is complete bullshit.

The "electability" narrative naturally benefits white people, males, and those most aligned with the corporate interests that fund media via advertising.

Beto, Biden... "electable"

Warren, Bernie... "unelectable"

Yes, MSNBC jokingly did a piece on this diagnosising people with pundititis that buy into the “electability” bullshit.

It’s been a great way for the powers that be to psychologically rig the system.