Elizabeth Warren 2020

[406W30th 1111]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Read some of her plans.  The revenue generated from her ultra millionaires tax would go directly into stimulating the economy at the entry level by reducing the heaviest cost burdens of most of the middle class.  

Her child care plan nearly eliminates the crippling cost burden of child care while expanding the child care business sector through private/public partnerships.   This is actually a major economic stimulus plan. 

Offering up to 50k in student loan forgiveness gives these people more financial flexibility to invest in the economy and business start ups. 

Nearly all of Warren’s plans are geared around reshaping the economy to work for the workers while eliminating the corporate stranglehold on the government.

Her plan to tackle global climate change would be a massive economic stimulus as well. I don't know how anyone doesn't see the potential in that, nevermind the whole saving the human species thing.

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11 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Her plan to tackle global climate change would be a massive economic stimulus as well. I don't know how anyone doesn't see the potential in that, nevermind the whole saving the human species thing.

Yer gonna need to show her work on that one.  Most climate change plans rely on heavy taxing of fossil fuels, and subsiding unproven energy delivery systems which impact middle to Low economic classes the most, not to mention the additional transportation costs of goods around the country.

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12 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Her plan to tackle global climate change would be a massive economic stimulus as well. I don't know how anyone doesn't see the potential in that, nevermind the whole saving the human species thing.

This.  The Green New Deal could be a success on a massive economic level, keeping us in the driver's seat of the world economy for decades to come.  

[406W30th 1111]

23 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yer gonna need to show her work on that one.  Most climate change plans rely on heavy taxing of fossil fuels, and subsiding unproven energy delivery systems which impact middle to Low economic classes the most, not to mention the additional transportation costs of goods around the country.

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Over the next decade, the expected market for clean energy technology in emerging economies alone is $23 trillion. America should dominate this new market. We have the creative researchers, the skilled workers, and the basic infrastructure to develop, manufacture, and export the technology the world needs to confront the existential threat of climate change.

Here’s my plan for that: Invest $2 trillion over the next ten years in green research, manufacturing, and exporting — linking American innovation directly to American jobs, and helping achieve the ambitious targets of the Green New Deal.

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According to an independent economic analysis from Moody’s, my plan will meaningfully increase economic growth and create more than a million new jobs. It will help reverse the massive manufacturing job losses of the last two decades that have hurt middle-class families and hit Black workers and communities hardest — all while allowing America to lead the global effort to address climate change.

Plenty more you can read about here – Warren's Green Manufacturing Plan for America

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3 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Plenty more you can read about here – Warren's Green Manufacturing Plan for America

Thanks

[bad_teammate 13195]

Liz jumps into the fray to defend *checks notes* the woman who has handed Trump even more racist weapons.

 

[bad_teammate 13195]

Pelosi is out here #persisting lol 

fucking GHOULS

[Huckleberry 32861]

13 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Liz jumps into the fray to defend *checks notes* the woman who has handed Trump even more racist weapons.

 

I would hope that isn't defending Pelosi but publicly telling Pelosi to stop backing down like a wimp.

[bad_teammate 13195]

12 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

I would hope that isn't defending Pelosi but publicly telling Pelosi to stop backing down like a wimp.

It's extremely clear that she's lionizing Pelosi here by attaching Pelosi's censure with Warren's own soundbite "she persisted" moment.

This is her only Tweet on the issue and there's zero reason to believe that she's been critical of Pelosi at all on this.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yeah, it’s not that clear what message she’s sending Pelosi.  At first glance I interpret it as “keep fighting Nancy.” Which is just enough to not be overtly critical.   

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

A fucking men 

[F250 28775]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

A fucking men 

Bernie sent out a more concise message and name dropped Ilhan. Between the ambiguous Pelosi tweet and this one, I suspect Warren is trying walk a tight rope with centrists, liberals and progressives.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, F250 said:

Bernie sent out a more concise message and name dropped Ilhan. Between the ambiguous Pelosi tweet and this one, I suspect Warren is trying walk a tight rope with centrists, liberals and progressives.

Bernie probably hasn’t even read the Mueller report.   His messaging on the impeachment question has been dogshit.  Good for him though for standing with Omar.   I’m not going to micro-analyze  how these candidates react to each and every Trump hourly outrage.  It’s the big things that matter. 

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15 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Read some of her plans.  The revenue generated from her ultra millionaires tax would go directly into stimulating the economy at the entry level by reducing the heaviest cost burdens of most of the middle class.  

Her child care plan nearly eliminates the crippling cost burden of child care while expanding the child care business sector through private/public partnerships.   This is actually a major economic stimulus plan. 

Offering up to 50k in student loan forgiveness gives these people more financial flexibility to invest in the economy and business start ups. 

Nearly all of Warren’s plans are geared around reshaping the economy to work for the workers while eliminating the corporate stranglehold on the government.

Warren has a lot of ideas

Elizabeth Warren has a universal child care plan. She has a plan to crack down on corruption in defense procurement. She wants to make it legal to indict a sitting president. She has an ambitious reproductive rights agenda, and a plan to break up big technology companies; that plan is actually separate from her larger idea to rework antitrust policy. She also has an expansive “economic patriotism” agenda. And a big plan for free college and student debt cancellation. Much of this would be paid for by a big new tax on large accumulated fortunes.

That’s to say nothing of her plan to end shareholder supremacy in corporate America, her expansive housing agenda, her plan on private prisons, her plan to reduce racial disparities in maternal mortality, her climate plan, or her plan for rural America.

I've actually for the first time read some things on her because my gut/first impression is that she is the only Dem candidate with the intellectual gravitas to actually persuade with logic, data, and clear metrics/measurables and forecasting, etc.  My main skepticism honestly with her ideas so far is the wealth tax.  I think 50 million is too low a threshold and I think 3 percent over a billion is possibly too low a rate.  Clearly, people at this economic level will take many measures to avoid "assets" being easily identifiable and/or present in the United States' tax jurisdiction.  I also would like to hear this plan more specifically into why this type of tax would work better versus things like capital gains, wealth transfers, real estate transfers/income (investment properties not primary homes), higher income tax rates, etc.  Especially tying taxes to real property as it is more difficult to "offshore" investment income based on an asset that cannot be moved out of the United States.  Other countries have tried this specific type of tax and the results have not been universally good to say the least so has she studied these prior cases and identified why they worked or did not work and how her plan would be different?     

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2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

A fucking men 

Yes! Condemn but stay on message. I always get the impression that she's the one driving a lot of her messaging. That matters a lot right now and with it always being on point tells me she gets it.

Just make her the nominee now.

Who do you like for VP? Does she need to sure up her foreign policy expertise there?

 

[Queen Bitch 1692]

Liz drives home a message of economic anxiety to the middle class, she gets a war-vet as VP, and we win this thing.

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2 minutes ago, Queen Bitch said:

Liz drives home a message of economic anxiety to the middle class, she gets a war-vet as VP, and we win this thing.

How's McRaven's health?

[bad_teammate 13195]

7 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie probably hasn’t even read the Mueller report.   His messaging on the impeachment question has been dogshit.  Good for him though for standing with Omar.   I’m not going to micro-analyze  how these candidates react to each and every Trump hourly outrage.  It’s the big things that matter. 

Pelosi and Trump tag-teaming a Muslim congresswoman in an open and naked attempt to get her killed matters roughly 1,000x more than whether or not a presidential candidate read the fucking Mueller report.

The fact that Bernie is the only serious candidate who will say these women's names matters a lot. Liz is being a coward.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

lol You’re pathetic. 

Liz is the only candidate calling for immediate action to remove Trump and shame the Republicans for being cowards. 

That goes a bit further than Bernie’s hashtags.

Edited July 18, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13195]

Liz and Bernie are senators who will vote to convict Trump if the House gets articles of impeachment to them; nothing they do or say will push Pelosi into action. They are running for the presidency in 2020, which would obviate the need for impeachment.

Harping on about the Mueller Report is a way to avoid taking a side in the internecine Democratic war. Warren's only real comment on this is to praise Pelosi. It's shameful.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

That’s great spin bt.   Reading the Mueller report is vitally important and a duty of every elected official.  If everyone in Congress read that document shortly after it was released and came out with the clarity on what needed to be done (like Liz), Omar’s life probably wouldn’t be in jeopardy right now because Trump would be gone.  

But keep covering for Bernard.

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6 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Liz and Bernie are senators who will vote to convict Trump if the House gets articles of impeachment to them; nothing they do or say will push Pelosi into action. They are running for the presidency in 2020, which would obviate the need for impeachment.

Harping on about the Mueller Report is a way to avoid taking a side in the internecine Democratic war. Warren's only real comment on this is to praise Pelosi. It's shameful.

Of the 2 Bernie would get nothing thru either house. Mrs. Warren has a much better chance of actually getting something done.  Bernie's an old man yelling at the clouds about giving away everything for nothing except massive, economy stifling, tax increases on the middle class (the engine of our economy).

[bad_teammate 13195]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

That’s great spin bt.   Reading the Mueller report is vitally important and a duty of every elected official.  If everyone in Congress read that document shortly after it was released and came out with the clarity on what needed to be done (like Liz), Omar’s life probably wouldn’t be in jeopardy right now because Trump would be gone.

So it's not really about reading it, after all?

And even if that last clause were true, why is Liz not standing up for her right now? What's the purpose in focusing on Brave Nancy?

I am a much bigger fan of Liz's stance on impeachment than Bernie's, but you need to pull your head out of your ass regarding the bigger picture of the war within the party.

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8 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie probably hasn’t even read the Mueller report.   His messaging on the impeachment question has been dogshit.  Good for him though for standing with Omar.   I’m not going to micro-analyze  how these candidates react to each and every Trump hourly outrage.  It’s the big things that matter. 

Wow, that was a pretty fucking irrelevant point to make.

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Let’s see, which rhetorical position would do more to protect Ilan Omar’s life:

1.  “Trump is a well documented full blown criminal and an immediate threat to the constitution/national security, anyone covering for him or remaining silent is complicit in the consequences of not impeaching him NOW.”

2.  #IstandwithOmar

 

Justin Amash is doing a better job than Bernie right now of preventing the damage of Trump’s harmful rhetoric because he is publicly calling for action to remove the threat.  

Edited July 18, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders bear no responsibility whatsoever for putting Omar's life at risk, or for the hate that Trump is whipping up.  The responsibility falls entirely on Trump, his supporters, and the Republicans in Congress who are co-signing his message. 

Seriously, don't fall into this trap. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

Generalized calls for impeachment accomplish nothing, which is the point. It's grandstanding, which is why Amash is a perfect person to associate with it.

It's risk-free and look-at-me.

Should we start the inquiry process? Absolutely (and Bernie advocates this), but what has Warren accomplished to that end? Is she pressuring Nancy directly?

Naming names matters.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders bear no responsibility whatsoever for putting Omar's life at risk, or for the hate that Trump is whipping up.  The responsibility falls entirely on Trump, his supporters, and the Republicans in Congress who are co-signing his message. 
Seriously, don't fall into this trap. 

Nancy Pelosi has spent months attacking Omar.

This isn't a trap, it's the war that actually matters.

[horncyclist 1387]

Generalized calls for impeachment accomplish nothing, which is the point. It's grandstanding, which is why Amash is a perfect person to associate with it.

It's risk-free and look-at-me.

Should we start the inquiry process? Absolutely (and Bernie advocates this), but what has Warren accomplished to that end? Is she pressuring Nancy directly?

Naming names matters.

I think she had the correct response. She read it, the whole thing herself, took it seriously and thencalled for Congress to carry out it's constitutional duty to hold presidents accountable for high crimes and misdemeanors.

https://www.thenation.com/article/elizabeth-warren-mueller-report-impeachment/


She's tried to keep it in the media, using her position and conveying the seriousness of the findings. If everyone in Congress did that, Trump would be impeached and removed. If all Democrats did that, he would at least be impeached and it would be on the republicans. She handled it as she should as a Senator who swore an oath to the Constitution and she should be given credit for that.


https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/442530-warren-reads-part-of-mueller-report-into-congressional-record

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

Nancy Pelosi, Elizabeth Warren, and Bernie Sanders

One of these people now has the power to DO something and she is the only one in the country with that power.   The other two should be publicly calling for that thing to be done.  One of them is repeatedly calling for that action.

We have been gifted with impeachment as a constitutional tool to hold public officials accountable that violate the public trust.  We have impeachment to prevent things from getting violent.  Trump is about to make things violent. The people entrusted with the authority to rein him in peacefully need to act now.  This isn’t hard.  

Inaction due to the potential failure of action doesn’t help this situation, it makes it more dangerous. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

7 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Nancy Pelosi has spent months attacking Omar.

This isn't a trap, it's the war that actually matters.

And I've been extremely critical of Pelosi for her treatment of the squad.   But that's just part of politics.   What Trump and the GOP are doing is very different.  This is not a both sides thing.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

19 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Generalized calls for impeachment accomplish nothing, which is the point. It's grandstanding, which is why Amash is a perfect person to associate with it.

It's risk-free and look-at-me.
 

This is rich coming from the guy that buys into revolutionary movement politics propelled by leaders and their rhetoric.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

One of these people now has the power to DO something and she is the only one in the country with that power.   The other two should be publicly calling for that thing to be done.  One of them is repeatedly calling for that action.

We have been gifted with impeachment as a constitutional tool to hold public officials accountable that violate the public trust.  We have impeachment to prevent things from getting violent.  Trump is about to make things violent. The people entrusted with the authority to rein him in peacefully need to act now.  This isn’t hard.  

Inaction due to the potential failure of action doesn’t help this situation, it makes it more dangerous. 

I'm as in favor of impeachment as it gets, and I think Pelosi's failure to start the process is disgraceful and inexcusable.  But let's not kid ourselves about what "do something" means.   It doesn't mean removing Trump as a threat.   Impeachment in this context is about setting a standard and trying to move public opinion.   But hearings are happening; Mueller is testifying next week, which is aimed at moving public opinion as well.   She isn't doing nothing.  Warren and Sanders are both in a better position to actually get rid of Trump simply by running a winning campaign. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

But hearings are happening; Mueller is testifying next week, which is aimed at moving public opinion as well.   She isn't doing nothing.

She is doing as close to nothing as it gets.  The only reason she is falling short nothing is to provide cover for herself. 

Mueller should have been under oath and in front of a camera answering questions for the American people the moment he turned his report in.  Pelosi could have at least tried to make that happen.  She didn’t.  She has no interest in holding this president accountable or moving public opinion to do so and it’s painfully obvious. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

37 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She is doing as close to nothing as it gets.  The only reason she is falling short nothing is to provide cover for herself. 

Mueller should have been under oath and in front of a camera answering questions for the American people the moment he turned his report in.  Pelosi could have at least tried to make that happen.  She didn’t.  She has no interest in holding this president accountable or moving public opinion to do so and it’s painfully obvious. 

I agree completely.  That still doesn't make her responsible for Trump's rhetoric or its effects.  At least not in a way remotely or productively comparable to his supporters and apologists in the GOP.   Diverting blame from the actual bad guys to flawed Democrats does more harm in that respect than Pelosi's negligence.  Trumpism's crossover into the mainstream was and is fueled by that kind of poisonous bothsidism. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yesterday one of my relatives told me this story:

A teacher shows a video to the class and instructs them to take notes.  She starts the video and the students begin to take notes, including Billy.  15 minutes in she stops the video and asks Billy why he isn’t taking notes? Billy says he is taking notes and she says he’s lying and if he does it again he will be sent to the office.  She starts the video up again and Billy goes back to taking notes.  10 minutes later she stops the video and asks Billy again why is he still not taking notes?  Billy responds, “but I am taking notes, they’re right here.”  The teacher again accuses him of lying and sends him to the office.  

The video ends and the teacher asks the class one question.  “Why did not one of you stand up for Billy?”

At this moment, I feel like Pelosi is the class, Billy is the constitution, Trump is the teacher, and we are all fucked. 

Billy was in on it the entire time

[Mojo Hand 4580]

And that Billy was Albert Einstein. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

3 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Pelosi and Trump tag-teaming a Muslim congresswoman in an open and naked attempt to get her killed matters roughly 1,000x more than whether or not a presidential candidate read the fucking Mueller report.

The fact that Bernie is the only serious candidate who will say these women's names matters a lot. Liz is being a coward.

Satisfied? 

 

[NowThis 931]

the US goes into recession every 8-10 years, meaning 2020 is overdue for one. My hunch is that will knock off Trump since, despite the huge EV victory, only 79,000 votes in 3 states gave him the win. The D candidate is largely irrelevant if that downturn occurs, even a slight one. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

https://medium.com/@teamwarren/end-wall-streets-stranglehold-on-our-economy-70cf038bac76

[bad_teammate 13195]

5 hours ago, Mojo Hand said:

Satisfied? 

Absolutely. Very good.

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5 hours ago, NowThis said:

the US goes into recession every 8-10 years, meaning 2020 is overdue for one. My hunch is that will knock off Trump since, despite the huge EV victory, only 79,000 votes in 3 states gave him the win. The D candidate is largely irrelevant if that downturn occurs, even a slight one. 

If a recession comes, unless democrats seriously fuck up in a way I cannot fathom, there will be a Democratic president and likely democratic control of both houses with nice majorities (though Senate will still be tight). The only thing saving the republicans at this point is the perception of a strong economy. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Speak of the devil:

 

[Js1 85337]

I think most everyone with a brain (so, not Republicans) see a crash coming.   A crash Democrats will both have to clean up and take the blame for. 

Edited July 22, 2019 by Js1

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

I think most everyone with a brain (so, not Republicans) see a crash coming.   A crash Democrats will both have to clean up and take the blame for. 

Yeah, it’s kinda hard to imagine there isn’t some serious book cooking or massive irresponsibility going on right now in the financial sector that will come back to bite us.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Speak of the devil:

 

It's extremely smart of her to do this.  The Dems need to take on Trump on his biggest strength, which is the perception that he deserves credit for the economy he inherited.  This is a great way to do so. 

Plus, if a crash happens before the election, she'll seem brilliant for calling it.  If it happens after she's president, she's laying the groundwork for it being Trump's fault.   If it doesn't happen after she's president, she gets to say she stopped it.  

[Js1 85337]

2 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

It's extremely smart of her to do this.  The Dems need to take on Trump on his biggest strength, which is the perception that he deserves credit for the economy he inherited.  This is a great way to do so. 

Agreed.  And they need to speak to these people that sure, unemployment is low - but is Trump reopening coal mines and factories? Nope.  Is this all built on the stock market "doing great?" Pretty much in the eyes of Trump.  But if it tanks, they'll be the first to lose their 401k and savings.  Just like last time. 

[TexArcher 37774]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yeah, it’s kinda hard to imagine there isn’t some serious book cooking or massive irresponsibility going on right now in the financial sector that will come back to bite us.

It doesn't even take book-cooking or malfeasance.  The market's been on a 10-year upswing without a true correction, while the average bull market is 4-5 years.  It will end, and when it does the correction will likely be in the 15-25% negative range.

P/E ratios are also very high across the entire US market, i.e. most stocks are overpriced.

And the yield curve inverted briefly earlier this year and may again.  There is a nearly 1:1 correlation historically between inverted yield curve and a recession within 18 months.

These are all bellwethers of a correction.  It's definitely coming and it's probably coming before the election.

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1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

It doesn't even take book-cooking or malfeasance.  The market's been on a 10-year upswing without a true correction, while the average bull market is 4-5 years.  It will end, and when it does the correction will likely be in the 15-25% negative range.

P/E ratios are also very high across the entire US market, i.e. most stocks are overpriced.

And the yield curve inverted briefly earlier this year and may again.  There is a nearly 1:1 correlation historically between inverted yield curve and a recession within 18 months.

These are all bellwethers of a correction.  It's definitely coming and it's probably coming before the election.

Gonna be awesome when Trump puts the full blame for the recession on AOC. "I told you to go back your countries and learn how to fix shit. Here we are. Your fault. MAGA."

Nearly everything Trump has touched in his career has ultimately crashed and burned. Our economy is likely going the way of Trump steaks. 

[Rougarou 594]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

I think most everyone with a brain (so, not Republicans) see a crash coming.   A crash Democrats will both have to clean up and take the blame for. 

I have some very smart friends who can't or won't believe this, it's crazy to me how blind some people are.