Elizabeth Warren 2020

[burntorangebongos 10747]

I think this got posted somewhere but it needs to be in this thread too.

 

[Biff Tannen 45692]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

So their first announced spend was $1.69M. Now they're up to $5M in what... 5 days?

When it came to turning on the dark money firehose, she had a plan for that!

Got a text today from her campaign saying they had doubled their $7M goal over the weekend. So maybe people just started donating to her like Bernie is so used to people donating to him. 
 

nah, probably a conspiracy against Bernie again. 

[bad_teammate 13218]

What does that have to do with what I said?

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

What does that have to do with what I said?

You've said so much that everything has something to do with what you've said.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Edited February 26, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[6th Street 6428]

Will she endorse Bernie after Super Tuesday? She has almost zero path to the nomination 

[Tom 2959]

Not sure.  Let me go ask her real quick.

Edited February 26, 2020 by Tom

[bad_teammate 13218]

33 minutes ago, Tom said:

Not sure.  Let me go ask her real quick.

[burntorangebongos 10747]

I met MJ last Sat as she came in to go door knocking with the Waren canvassers. I assumed it was to talk about herself. She gave a short talk before heading out and took some questions. She has an impressive background. I didn't know she has a six sigma belt and is also a certified change agent. Taking these skills into politics gives her unique qualifications. 

Anyway, I'm sure she is prepared to back the dem nominee no matter who that might be. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Biff Tannen 45692]

I miss Painter going on CNN and calling the president a moron.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Took my cheat sheet to the polls today and gave her my vote. First time Democratic Primary and I have to say, I still don't like those new touch screens. She was not on the first list of candidates so you have to hit the screen again to view her name on the ballot but a lot of the folks that have dropped out are on the first page. Same for Senate. Hope it doesn't hurt the candidates for whom I voted. Also, I'm not as old as the voters I saw around me, but I had a hard time getting the touch screen to accept my touch. Hate to think what it's like for someone with shaky hands. They should go back to either the scrolling dial or paper ballots IMO.

[burntorangebongos 10747]

In Texas, she was first one and you had to hit more to see Bidens name.  It didn't let me not vote in a race. I had to pick someone. 

Ted Lieu is pissed he is in the more section of his race. I honestly don't know how much it can affect a candidate but I may be underestimating how dumb people are to not check out the more button.

[bad_teammate 13218]

Jesus Christ, when Liz goes SuperPAC she fuckin' goes SuperPAC

 

[gmr548 16580]

3 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

In Texas, she was first one and you had to hit more to see Bidens name.  It didn't let me not vote in a race. I had to pick someone. 

Ted Lieu is pissed he is in the more section of his race. I honestly don't know how much it can affect a candidate but I may be underestimating how dumb people are to not check out the more button.

If I remember what I've read correctly, there's an established advantage with being first on the list of candidates. Lol.

[Biff Tannen 45692]

4 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

In Texas, she was first one and you had to hit more to see Bidens name.  It didn't let me not vote in a race. I had to pick someone. 

Ted Lieu is pissed he is in the more section of his race. I honestly don't know how much it can affect a candidate but I may be underestimating how dumb people are to not check out the more button.

She was first on my ballot too, but I definitely didn’t have to vote for everyone. On the print out it just said “no choice made” or something similar. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

On 2/21/2020 at 2:30 PM, Hank Kingsley said:

Apparently she's just another typical politician willing to heel turn in order to preserve her own personal interests. 

 

 

Show me one that isn't.  Bernie could be the closest thing to that, and his spending plans are just ridiculously un workable.

[David Dennison 18925]

45 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Show me one that isn't.  Bernie could be the closest thing to that, and his spending plans are just ridiculously un workable.

We have an $800 billion defense budget.

We can figure it out.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

We have an $800 billion defense budget.

We can figure it out.

Yeah, well just shift that $800B over to his programs, that'll be a nice downpayment for the first 6 months.

[David Dennison 18925]

39 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah, well just shift that $800B over to his programs, that'll be a nice downpayment for the first 6 months.

Sure, Jan.

[Tom 2959]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong or navigating the website wrong, but she has as many sponsored bills passed into law since 2013 as Bernie has in his entire career.  She may not be as left wing or pure as Bernie to the bros, but she's a better politician and would get so much more done as a president. Too bad she's going to lose.  At best we'll have 4 years of Bernie yelling and pounding a podium talking about reforms that will take a miracle from God getting passed into law.  If we win the Senate he'll thankfully get some judges passed and that's about it.  The Democrats are not going to bend the knee to an outsider the same way the GOP has for Trump.  

Liz is in a bad spot where she's too "capitalist" for the Bernie Bros and too left wing for the Bloomberg/Biden/Klob crowd.  She's everyone's second choice, but can't grab enough first choice votes.  We don't deserve her and are going to fuck this election up.

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=412542#current_status[]=5,28

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357#current_status[]=4,5,28

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

One of the reasons I voted for her.

If someone gives her a fight, she is all in until the dust settles. In the back of my mind I'm thinking the corporate world is pretty scared of her gaining momentum and allies. That she was able to gain some traction with those wealthy individuals who sat down with her plans and ran the numbers and said "well, ok, this will mean giving up total domination but it's not the billionaire apocalypse we thought it would be and look at all the gains everyday Americans will have with respect to healthcare, education, climate change, etc" says something about her ability to work with people. But the rest of the corporate world is quietly pushing her to the side and definitely promoting her negatives column because she is a much larger threat to them than Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or Bloomberg. Bernie is out there in a way that sets him apart from the previous four I just mentioned, obviously. Warren and Sanders are similar but not the same and the media is determined to paint them with one brush and IMO that is bad for both of them.

 

[Biff Tannen 45692]

21 hours ago, Tom said:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong or navigating the website wrong, but she has as many sponsored bills passed into law since 2013 as Bernie has in his entire career.  She may not be as left wing or pure as Bernie to the bros, but she's a better politician and would get so much more done as a president. Too bad she's going to lose.  At best we'll have 4 years of Bernie yelling and pounding a podium talking about reforms that will take a miracle from God getting passed into law.  If we win the Senate he'll thankfully get some judges passed and that's about it.  The Democrats are not going to bend the knee to an outsider the same way the GOP has for Trump.  

Liz is in a bad spot where she's too "capitalist" for the Bernie Bros and too left wing for the Bloomberg/Biden/Klob crowd.  She's everyone's second choice, but can't grab enough first choice votes.  We don't deserve her and are going to fuck this election up.

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=412542#current_status[]=5,28

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?sponsor=400357#current_status[]=4,5,28

All of this.  

[elguapo 4586]

I voted for Warren. I feel strongly that she's the best candidate, we need a woman leading this country right now, and I'm proud of my vote.

I'm not thrilled that it's looking like we'll get stuck with an old white guy as the nominee.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

 

[Biff Tannen 45692]

4 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

 

I mean, she has been getting pretty dominated so far.  I don't think "underestimating" is really the right word.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

Voted for Liz after lunch. I know it's in vain, but she's a damn good candidate and worked her ass off on the campaign trail. 

[bad_teammate 13218]

Kamala pulled the same stunt

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

The main issue if I look at long standing polling results (which is dangerous) is that her actual results had not strayed too far from where she began at the beginning of the season. Biden was the clear frontrunner then, and Sanders and Warren were coming in around second and third but lagging. The media loves changes especially upward ones but they were slow to respond to both Sanders and Warren whenever they surged and whether those results were long lasting. It took big events for either of them to get news (or conversely negative press such as the Sanders essay printed from long ago or the handshake that wasn't). Very little policy discussions anymore at all. Which plays into the popularity contest and also plays into the two men currently leading. The other guy, the man my husband refers to as Count Doku (spelling?) has had policy discussed in the media because his policies are click bait such as stop and frisk. but the issue is the delegates have to work with each other and I'm crossing my fingers that Warren is in this to try and get some of the progressive policies enacted through negotiation. The media might consider this when reporting but I'm not seeing it. Or I'm full of horse hockey. Regardless, its nerve wracking.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

15 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Kamala pulled the same stunt

 

Looks like she did the same as the last time. She did not go, but people from her office attended. Others such as Biden and Klob spoke via video.

[bad_teammate 13218]

It's just so bizarre that she keeps doing this when Joe Biden is RIGHT THERE

 

[Huckleberry 33020]

She's trying to thread the needle. She's failing, but that's what she's trying to do. Not only is she failing but it was almost certainly the wrong strategy in the first place.

But she's played by Kate McKinnon, so she's got that going for her.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

You're not wrong but I'm stepping away:

[bad_teammate 13218]

A shame.

[bad_teammate 13218]

Nailed it, Liz!

 

[Michael Knight 12989]

There are specific tactical decisions (by both her campaign and her rivals) that brought her to this point. But a larger context to understand is that if you, like many of my friends, find the situation puzzling, that is probably because you know a lot of people who are demographically similar to yourself. I’m a highly educated white person, and most of my friends and acquaintances are also highly educated white people. Elizabeth Warren is very popular with people like us.

The reality is that there aren’t that many people like us — and there’s a valuable lesson in that, not just about the Warren campaign specifically but about some of the larger dynamics in American politics.

 

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/3/21162527/what-happened-to-elizabeth-warren?fbclid=IwAR0uiM7Ucl_OXyyaacwhpnVU2-apaNzut_g-1CjroHb6Lwg0fDFJKOdeqywax

 

[TwiceHorn 31507]

46 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

There are specific tactical decisions (by both her campaign and her rivals) that brought her to this point. But a larger context to understand is that if you, like many of my friends, find the situation puzzling, that is probably because you know a lot of people who are demographically similar to yourself. I’m a highly educated white person, and most of my friends and acquaintances are also highly educated white people. Elizabeth Warren is very popular with people like us.

The reality is that there aren’t that many people like us — and there’s a valuable lesson in that, not just about the Warren campaign specifically but about some of the larger dynamics in American politics.

 

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/3/21162527/what-happened-to-elizabeth-warren?fbclid=IwAR0uiM7Ucl_OXyyaacwhpnVU2-apaNzut_g-1CjroHb6Lwg0fDFJKOdeqywax

 

Some interesting demographic stats in that article:

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But in the actual American population distribution, there are more high school dropouts than people with master’s degrees. The median American under the age of 30 has $0 in student loan debt, not because the median young person is superrich but because most people didn’t attend expensive higher education institutions in the first place.

The problem, as usual, is the morons.

[Brisketexan 105161]

The problem, as usual, is the morons.

You’ve heard me say it before: electorally, the most important demographic group in this country, and no other group even come close, is uneducated idiots.

You have to win the stupid vote. Whoever gets it, wins. Every other group is just a side dish.

[shnsajax 3591]

You’ve heard me say it before: electorally, the most important demographic group in this country, and no other group even come close, is uneducated idiots.

You have to win the stupid vote. Whoever gets it, wins. Every other group is just a side dish.

Problem is the stupid vote is also the rural vote. The same vote the GOP is purposely trying to segregate from education and benefits and blame the democrats as being the root cause.

Thankfully they are slowly dying off.

[hornhorn 100]

 

[TwiceHorn 31507]

He's such a cockgobbler.

[LABEVO 928]

 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

42 minutes ago, shnsajax said:

 

Problem is the stupid vote is also the rural vote. The same vote the GOP is purposely trying to segregate from education and benefits and blame the democrats as being the root cause.

Thankfully they are slowly dying off.

 

Biden is winning tonight because he’s dominating among the less educated voters in the democrat party.  

[RomaVicta 29936]

Sad that she's out of it. She got my vote.

 

[Zavala 1384]

On 2/29/2020 at 11:08 AM, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah, well just shift that $800B over to his programs, that'll be a nice downpayment for the first 6 months.

THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT AND INEFFICIENT, LET'S EXPAND IT AS LARGE AS POSSIBLE!

[Zavala 1384]

37 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Biden is winning tonight because he’s dominating among the less educated voters in the democrat party.  

Bernie Bros are smart, they went to college! Just didn't get a job to pay off those loans

 

Meanwhile in boomer Biden land the real brains of the DNC: the crazy cat lady

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Some interesting demographic stats in that article:

The problem, as usual, is the morons.

Step 1: call the other guy racist

Step 2: promise free shit

 

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Elizabeth Warren did not even win her own state
She did not come in second 
She got third..... in her own state. 

I think that is funny.  Apparently no demographic is as misogynist as white liberals.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

^^IMO your logic does not compute, but that's okay.

 

I was disappointed last evening but Michael Knight's article had a fair point and Warren did not have enough ground game/sound strategy to garner support among both high and low info voters. Come what may with her decision going forward, I don't regret leaving the GOP and voting for a Democratic candidate. So, we will see what happens next.