Elizabeth Warren 2020

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Js1 85336]

She went to fucking West Virginia to talk to people.  

[Bama Chick 28596]

Shit, she went to Mississippi and Alabama too.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Like there's a difference between FOX execs and ABC execs.

Liz the woke capitalist is the worst Liz.

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Like there's a difference between FOX execs and ABC execs

This is a bad take and you should feel bad

[Fozzz 152]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Like there's a difference between FOX execs and ABC execs.

Liz the woke capitalist is the worst Liz.

That is who she is though to her core.  This is why there is only one acceptable female candidate currently running for the Dem nomination.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

Bernie bros gonna come after Liz, it is known. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

24 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Bernie bros gonna come after Liz, it is known. 

How do you get that from those numbers?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I don’t. 

[Biff Tannen 45684]

On 5/29/2019 at 7:12 AM, Js1 said:

 

The only accurate one on here is Biden.  The other two have brought out thoughtful, progressive policy proposals as well.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Randy called it immediately after the election:

 

[Incredulity 11671]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Randy called it immediately after the election:

 

You can admit that you are Randy.

[BradInATX 9208]

7 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

How do you get that from those numbers?

 

[Dbeasy 15051]

Like there's a difference between FOX execs and ABC execs.

Liz the woke capitalist is the worst Liz.

Stupid comment.

[Js1 85336]

 

[Fozzz 152]

lol yeah i'm sure she's serious about indicting a sitting President and the kind of fallout that would result from something like that.  this isn't all just a stunt aimed to pickup support from credulous #resistance types. 

[Jograves 357]

You've really cornered the market on this cynical asshole routine, haven't you. 

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

3 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Trump claimed in HIS FUCKING AUTOBIOGRAPHY that his grandparents were Swedish because Jews in New York didn't like doing business with Krauts like his dad after Hitler. And it's not like his origins were lost in the mists of time, like Warren's are. HIS FUCKING GRANDFATHER WAS A DRAFT-DODGING KRAUT!

Once again, every single one of his accusations is a confession, and why Warren hasn't gone on the attack with this is a mystery to me. She could say "I'll quit calling him Swedish Chef when he stops calling me Pocahontas."

[Red Five 40858]

Trump has also claimed multiple times that his father was born in Germany (he was born in NY). Not sure what Trump has to gain from that particular lie.

[Red Five 40858]

Quadruple post. Wtf

 

[Red Five 40858]

Dp

 

[Red Five 40858]

Dp

 

[David Dennison 18860]

1 hour ago, Jograves said:

You've really cornered the market on this cynical asshole routine, haven't you. 

I can't believe he votes.

[Incredulity 11671]

you guys are so utterly obtuse with whatabout.  It's staggering.

Edited May 31, 2019 by Incredulity

[Fozzz 152]

1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I can't believe he votes.

I prefer Bernie and Tulsi.  I will continue to call out the other pretenders and frauds for what they are.

[Message Board User 12395]

6 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Trump claimed in HIS FUCKING AUTOBIOGRAPHY that his grandparents were Swedish because Jews in New York didn't like doing business with Krauts like his dad after Hitler. And it's not like his origins were lost in the mists of time, like Warren's are. HIS FUCKING GRANDFATHER WAS A DRAFT-DODGING KRAUT!

Once again, every single one of his accusations is a confession, and why Warren hasn't gone on the attack with this is a mystery to me. She could say "I'll quit calling him Swedish Chef when he stops calling me Pocahontas."

Warren is done and the sooner that she and the Democrats realize this, the better.  

She will never, ever, ever, get past the Native American thing and it's sad that Kid Charlemagne did a better job of grilling her than anybody in the mainstream media.

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

4 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Warren is done and the sooner that she and the Democrats realize this, the better.  

She will never, ever, ever, get past the Native American thing and it's sad that Kid Charlemagne did a better job of grilling her than anybody in the mainstream media.

If the thing that keeps Warren from beating Trump is her claim, based upon family history, to be of Native American ancestry, this country may as well light itself on fire and give up on being a part of this world.  

[Message Board User 12395]

5 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

If the thing that keeps Warren from beating Trump is her claim, based upon family history, to be of Native American ancestry, this country may as well light itself on fire and give up on being a part of this world.   

Some of you live in such an insulated bubble I wonder how the hell you get oxygen.

[Fozzz 152]

The Republicans will hammer on this issue relentlessly and the media will cover it relentlessly, drowning out everything else.  Long-form 23andMe results leaked in November confirming a total lack of Native American ancestry will swing the election to Trump.

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Some of you live in such an insulated bubble I wonder how the hell you get oxygen.

You're clearly too dumb to even understand the point of my post.  

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

3 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Some of you live in such an insulated bubble I wonder how the hell you get oxygen.

I am not doubting that could cost her the election, but LHF1024's assertion is still sound. IF that is what causes her to lose, then fuck this country all to hell. 

[BradInATX 9208]

12 minutes ago, Longhornfan1024 said:

If the thing that keeps Warren from beating Trump is her claim, based upon family history, to be of Native American ancestry, this country may as well light itself on fire and give up on being a part of this world.  

The way she responded to that line of questioning is telling. You are not going to logic and nuance your way out of that. It was a carbon copy of Hillary. "Here's a really detailed answer as to why my position is defensible". Nope, pivot quickly and cleverly and move on. Was putting Native American an advantage? "Why don't you ask Native Americans who have lived in poverty on reservations for centuries if that's an advantage, and here's my plan to help them". That's how you do it. Not "The Boston Globe wrote an article totally clearing  me!!". That is not going to work. It's playing defense on your heels. Trump will absolutely eat her lunch and have her reeling. She is too nice, and probably too smart to win a debate with him. At least in the minds of those Obama->Trump voters in the midwest that will decide this thing.

I like her a lot, but of the top 8 candidates, she is the most likely to lose to Trump. He'd be the favorite going in.

I agree with your assertion. But just as much of a problem is her ability to handle those types of attacks, which will come from a firehose in the general.

Edited May 31, 2019 by BradInATX

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

The Republicans will hammer on this issue relentlessly and the media will cover it relentlessly, drowning out everything else.  Long-form 23andMe results leaked in November confirming a total lack of Native American ancestry will swing the election to Trump.

Then make him prove his Swedishness. Fuck it's like y'all are just ignoring that our president has been caught in a lie! Will wonders never cease?

Mock him as Swedish Chef and this issue becomes a wash. Or a "vosshh," ja?

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

The way she responded to that line of questioning is telling. You are not going to logic and nuance your way out of that. It was a carbon copy of Hillary. "Here's a really detailed answer as to why my position is defensible". Nope, pivot quickly and cleverly and move on. Trump will absolutely eat her lunch and have her on her heels. She is too nice, and probably too smart to win a debate with him. At least in the minds of those Obama->Trump voters in the midwest that will decide this thing.

I like her a lot, but of the top 8 candidates, she is the most likely to lose to Trump. He'd be the favorite going in.

I agree with your assertion. But just as much of a problem is her ability to handle those types of attacks, which will come from a firehose in the general.

Here's the difference between Warren and Hillary -- Warren sincerely believed that she was part Indian, and she is, and that is why she didn't just give up on it.

[BradInATX 9208]

2 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Here's the difference between Warren and Hillary -- Warren sincerely believed that she was part Indian, and she is, and that is why she didn't just give up on it.

Be that as it may, it's not going to matter to the voters that matter.

And doing a DNA test that proves she's like 1/10000000th NA then holding a presser like she won.. awful decision making. Trump owned her on that one. She played right into his trap.

In a debate with a dumb smart person up against a smart dumb person, where the judges are midwestern white people, the smart dumb person is going to win every time. 

Edited May 31, 2019 by BradInATX

[Message Board User 12395]

4 minutes ago, MaybeACoordinator said:

Then make him prove his Swedishness. Fuck it's like y'all are just ignoring that our president has been caught in a lie! Will wonders never cease?

Mock him as Swedish Chef and this issue becomes a wash. Or a "vosshh," ja?

Have you been paying attention the last 4 years?  

Trump is a boor, a liar, an idiot, a probable sexual assaulter, a misogynist, likely racist...and none of it matters to the voters that matter.  Is it fair?  Is it right?  Probably not.  Is it a double standard?  Absolutely.  But it's an imperfect world that we live in and like it or not, there's a level all of those descriptors already "priced in" to Trump. 

The Dems lost in 2016 largely because Hillary was a horrible candidate for the general election - I hope the dems don't make the same mistake in 2020 and put Warren or Bernie up there to get eviscerated by Trump.

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

1 minute ago, Message Board User said:

Have you been paying attention the last 4 years?  

Trump is a boor, a liar, an idiot, a probable sexual assaulter, a misogynist, likely racist...and none of it matters to the voters that matter.  Is it fair?  Is it right?  Probably not.  Is it a double standard?  Absolutely.  But it's an imperfect world that we live in and like it or not, there's a level all of those descriptors already "priced in" to Trump. 

The Dems lost in 2016 largely because Hillary was a horrible candidate for the general election - I hope the dems don't make the same mistake in 2020 and put Warren or Bernie up there to get eviscerated by Trump.

Hillary didn't do a good enough job trolling him. As Pelosi is demonstrating, it's a winning tactic. Mock him as Swedish Chef. 

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

Be that as it may, it's not going to matter to the voters that matter.

And doing a DNA test that proves she's like 1/10000000th NA then holding a presser like she won.. awful decision making. Trump owned her on that one. She played right into his trap.

I'll reiterate.  If that's what sinks her in a general election versus Trump, this country deserves to fail because its people aren't good enough to succeed.  As Americans, we generally have a certain egoistical view of ourselves as the greatest state the world has ever seen and as deserving of continuing to be the greatest state the world has ever seen without an understanding of how we got to where we are.  If someone who does as much damage to the principles, ideals, and infrastructure that have made us great (we don't need to be made great again) as Trump does is elected because his opponent believed she is of Native American ancestry, then we, as American people, have failed to live up to the duties and obligations we have to protect those principles, ideals, and infrastructure; aren't deserving of being great anymore; and are instead deserving of being resigned to the ash heap of history along with the Roman Empire and the other previously great states that ultimately failed.  

[Fozzz 152]

If you blame groups of people rather than structures for the predicament we are in then you are hopelessly lost.  

[MaybeACoordinator 8349]

36 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

If you blame groups of people rather than structures for the predicament we are in then you are hopelessly lost.  

So, we change those structures.

How?

Via groups of people. Who are hopelessly lost. 

[ChickenSandwich 9836]

On 5/25/2019 at 9:59 PM, troph said:

Jesus Christ why do you ALL fall into the false dichotomy nonsense? I said massive reforms, just not free higher education and full loan forgiveness. I’ve already said costs are too high, banks are screwing borrowers, pell grants and interest subsidies are cut way too far back, rates need to be cut and fixed and costs the actual price for education needs to be reformed. I just think there should be conditions on heavy subsidies and everyone should pay something, not nothing.

How are the banks screwing borrowers of student loans when that is a service that was taken over by the government nearly ten years ago. Her “reforms” are pointless when she refuses to address the reason for the rise in tuition costs. Government involvement. They incentivized colleges to raise prices.

Always treating the symptoms and never the cause. Shockingly Mark Cuban has some great ideas on student loans. 

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-heres-how-to-fix-the-student-debt-crisis-2015-3

 I would like to hear how she intends to keep creating jobs, driving wages up and expand our economy. Actually, I’d like to hear any Democratic candidates ideas on these topics. They don’t seem to have been considered since Obama

[TwiceHorn 31470]

On 5/23/2019 at 7:35 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

All the MSM outlets are now reporting on this.   I’m not sure if this was intentional by Warren or not but it’s hilarious that everyone is like, “Why is this a story?”

 

Amusing thing, she apparently represented Jan Schlictmann (A Civil Action) in his bankruptcy, or part of it.

 

[henrygandorf 29191]

underrated movie.

[troph 24797]

1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

How are the banks screwing borrowers of student loans when that is a service that was taken over by the government nearly ten years ago. Her “reforms” are pointless when she refuses to address the reason for the rise in tuition costs. Government involvement. They incentivized colleges to raise prices.

Always treating the symptoms and never the cause. Shockingly Mark Cuban has some great ideas on student loans. 

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-heres-how-to-fix-the-student-debt-crisis-2015-3

 I would like to hear how she intends to keep creating jobs, driving wages up and expand our economy. Actually, I’d like to hear any Democratic candidates ideas on these topics. They don’t seem to have been considered since Obama

student loans are the most secure loan in America (not dischargable in bankruptcy and are obtained early in life), yet rates are variable and high.  risk / reward is not commensurate with a competitive market.  on top of that costs are crazy high now, far outpacing inflation for years and years.  and the reasons for government subsidies on interest or on grants are known and very compelling yet the federal government continues to decrease these programs.  it's a major issue.

Mark Cuban's plan is stupid, people don't want private loans but the federal government has shrunk government backed lending and allowed lenders to increase lender profits when those loans are backed by the government.  he's nearsighted and not thinking about it from a policy perspective, his answer is shallow and not thoughtful.

Edited May 31, 2019 by troph

[Jiggy-Z 3432]

14 minutes ago, troph said:

student loans are the most secure loan in America (not dischargable in bankruptcy and are obtained early in life), yet rates are variable and high.  risk / reward is not commensurate with a competitive market.  on top of that costs are crazy high now, far outpacing inflation for years and years.  and the reasons for government subsidies on interest or on grants are known and very compelling yet the federal government continues to decrease these programs.  it's a major issue.

Mark Cuban's plan is stupid, people don't want private loans but the federal government has shrunk government backed lending and allowed lenders to increase lender profits when those loans are backed by the government.  he's nearsighted and not thinking about it from a policy perspective, his answer is shallow and not thoughtful.

Once again, basically a tax on the middle class.

[DaysOff 7951]

Cuban's plan seems to be 'starve the beast' through loan caps. If it shuts down places like Baylor I'm all for it.

[troph 24797]

34 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

Cuban's plan seems to be 'starve the beast' through loan caps. If it shuts down places like Baylor I'm all for it.

where in many instances education is not obtainable because of the needed cash when fed backed loans are not available his plan is stupid bad.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

5 hours ago, Fozzz said:

If you blame groups of people rather than structures for the predicament we are in then you are hopelessly lost.  

Groups of people?  Like Mexicans, media, 8, 13, 18 angry democrats, inept intelligence community, rigged investigators, caravans, etc?  Shall we go on?