Elizabeth Warren 2020

[BrickHorn 18262]

21 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Kamala’s color scheme is hideous.  It looks like it’s out of the early 1990s

Yeah, I had flashbacks to Fly Girls and Wayans Brothers there for a second.  

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Kamala Harris For The People.   Because we didn't already know she wants to lock motherfuckers up. 

[TwiceHorn 31520]

On 9/5/2019 at 9:45 AM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I realize I’m taking the bait into another Bernie vs Warren debate here but...

I perceive the fundamental difference between Bernie and Warren is their approach to solving the corruption problem.  

Bernie takes a robust government approach to undermining the corruptive profit motives by nationalizing sectors of the economy he perceives the private sector has failed and largely exploited the population.  He’s not wrong.  The concern I have is without some strong good faith enforcement and accountability mechanism you will always have a bigger corruption vulnerability problem.  In my view, this has always been the biggest weakness of Socialism.  Power gets so centralized and once it gets corrupted by a few bad actors everything goes to hell.

Fascism/authoritarianism are just around the corner.  

Capitalism has the same vulnerability when corporate power/wealth becomes so concentrated it starts to make its own exploitive government policy over the population via bought and paid for lawmakers.  This is where Elizabeth Warren comes in with a different prescription.

Warren takes a more surgical “law and order” approach by prioritizing regulating out the corruptive influences among lawmakers and the private sector in an effort to reinvigorate a healthier public/private sector to create an more egalitarian society. It’s what makes her a progressive capitalist and not a democratic socialist.

Good post.  Bernie comes a lot closer to government control of capital/means of production than Warren, because he is, fundamentally, a Marxist.  Warren is not.

This is the great divide between socialistic policy and socialism itself.

I think you are dead on, too, when you say that complete government control risks complete corruption of the government, and then you are completely fucked because the legal/legislative apparatus itself is corrupt and not "merely" influenced by corruption.

The corruption we have is still peripheral to the government itself and is reachable by law.

[TwiceHorn 31520]

37 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

Kamala Harris For The People.   Because we didn't already know she wants to lock motherfuckers up. 

The thing that bugs me about Harris is not so much that she is "a cop."  It's that she did some really compromised things as "a cop" in the name of political expedience.  All politicians do things in the name of political expedience, but some do more and really do unto others.

If you want to bitch about Warren having a past as a Republican, then you have to get all over Harris as actually acting like a Republican in some of the worst ways.

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Edited September 7, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[bad_teammate 13223]

Excellent!

 

[bad_teammate 13223]

Big piece in the NYT on Warren's fundraising potential-hypocrisy and what insiders and outsiders think about it.

Is Liz finally going to get a turn in the barrel after months of almost universal media fawning? (Bernie is old and skinnyfat, so I'm sure mass media has room to throw her in there with him (they'll never take him out) if the billionaires that pay them decide they want Liz taken down a peg.)

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Undermining Bernie’s movement by building a grassroots movement on the foundation of big donor money?  Where do I sign up for this?!?

Edited September 9, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

The only problem I have w/ Warren is her insistence on wearing those god-awful sweaters.  JFC, those make her look like someone's Nana, not a presidential candidate.  
But, when the worse thing you can say about someone is their affinity to look like a grandma, she's doing pretty well.  I'm not down w/ all her ideas but i think she's, by far, the sharpest knife in the POTUS candidate drawer. 

Insert my usual rant here.

[DixonHur 11351]

2 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Big piece in the NYT on Warren's fundraising potential-hypocrisy and what insiders and outsiders think about it.

Is Liz finally going to get a turn in the barrel after months of almost universal media fawning? (Bernie is old and skinnyfat, so I'm sure mass media has room to throw her in there with him (they'll never take him out) if the billionaires that pay them decide they want Liz taken down a peg.)

 

Don't hate the player...

The only way to win since Citizens United is big money.  She didn't set rules, but she has to play the game based on the rules.

And if someone is going to grant special favors for cash, which I don't think fits Warren's M.O., I'd rather those receiving said favors in industries like renewable energy vs. Big Oil, Gas and Coal.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

 

8 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

And if someone is going to grant special favors for cash, which I don't think fits Warren's M.O., I'd rather those receiving said favors in industries like renewable energy vs. Big Oil, Gas and Coal.

Her top big money donors in her senate campaign:

Ermagerd!

 

 

[Hank Kingsley 21017]

3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Don't hate the player...

The only way to win since Citizens United is big money.  She didn't set rules, but she has to play the game based on the rules.

And if someone is going to grant special favors for cash, which I don't think fits Warren's M.O., I'd rather those receiving said favors in industries like renewable energy vs. Big Oil, Gas and Coal.

If she wasn't taking cheap shots at others for fundraising this wouldn't be a big deal.  She's campaigning on being the "purer" candidate by not doing fundraisers, which is a clear jab at any candidate not named Bernie.

Warren started with a $10 million war chest. Again, there's nothing wrong with that. But her claims of 100% strictly grassroots campaign are not true. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

23 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

But her claims of 100% strictly grassroots campaign are not true. 

Yes it is.  Her campaign isn’t doing private fund raisers.  You are assuming her war chest money is somehow tied to big donor favors and/or not also grassroots money.  That is her money to decide how to use it for her presidential campaign.  She decided to build a grassroots movement with it.  She can do that with her money and still claim she is running a 100% grassroots campaign.  

Also, her Senate campaign was a grassroots based campaign with an average donor size of around $30.

Keep listing to the red roses tho...

Edited September 9, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hank Kingsley 21017]

Hugo, you're completely misreading where I'm coming from. 

It's completely normal to hold fundraisers. I'm not conspiratorial about rich people donating $2800 to a campaign. I'm not a purity test advocate at all, in fact I think it's created too much negative discourse so far in the primary. 

My issue is with Warren taking shots at other candidates and touting herself as strictly grassroots. She's campaigning on being the purer candidate. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

7 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

My issue is with Warren taking shots at other candidates and touting herself as strictly grassroots. She's campaigning on being the purer candidate. 

She’s pointing out a competitive advantage she has over the other candidates, it’s a legitimate claim.  What’s funny is all the experts and insiders wrote her off when she said she was going to campaign this way.

Her top finance director resigned over this because he didn’t believe it would work.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/03/31/us/politics/elizabeth-warren-fundraising.amp.html

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March 31, 2019

MEMPHIS — On a Sunday afternoon earlier this month, Senator Elizabeth Warren began a swing through the South by proclaiming that she was running “a different type of campaign” — one that did not include high-dollar fund-raisers but was entirely reliant on grass-roots contributions.

“If you think that’s a good idea, go to ElizabethWarren.com,” she told about 500 people at a town hall-style event in Memphis, adding: “Pitch in five bucks, do whatever you can.”

The next morning she woke up to some news about a surge in small-dollar contributions, but it wasn’t for her: Former Representative Beto O’Rourke had raised $6.1 million in the first 24 hours of his candidacy.

It was another blow to a candidate who has spent the first months of the Democratic presidential primary campaign seeking to distinguish herself from the field: She was the first major candidate to announce; she has set the pace on policy, unveiling a series of far-reaching proposals on child care, taxes and the role of large technology companies; and she defied the pleas of her longtime finance director and declared that she would stop pursuing big donations altogether, leading to his resignation.

I guess it’s working now because everyone is after her. 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Hank Kingsley 21017]

It's definitely working. She should be proud of her grassroots campaign. 

And it was only made possible because she started with a $10 million war chest. 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Hank Kingsley

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Yeah, she had a plan for that.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

 

Her top big money donors in her senate campaign:

Ermagerd!

 

 

Anyone dig up a pic of her doing a hook em from her UT days?

[TwiceHorn 31520]

One thing she can do, that needs to happen, is call on those taking big money to talk about their donors.  That's the real response to Citizens United.

Like someone said in another thread:  they need to be like Nascar drivers, sponsor names all over their cars and suits.

[bad_teammate 13223]

Yeah, she had a plan for that.

Cultist

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

4 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Big piece in the NYT on Warren's fundraising potential-hypocrisy and what insiders and outsiders think about it.

Is Liz finally going to get a turn in the barrel after months of almost universal media fawning? (Bernie is old and skinnyfat, so I'm sure mass media has room to throw her in there with him (they'll never take him out) if the billionaires that pay them decide they want Liz taken down a peg.)

 

“Turn in the barrel”? Partial to Roger Stone lingo, I guess?

I agree with this:

 

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

Oh and the donor story won’t fucking matter. Keep the hit pieces coming- she’s going to win the D nom

[bad_teammate 13223]

Saying her campaign is 100% grassroots funded is literally false and she is smart enough to know that.

[Hank Kingsley 21017]

19 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Saying her campaign is 100% grassroots funded is literally false and she is smart enough to know that.

And it's an unsolicited claim. Really weird. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

She just keeps endorsing progressives.

[Newy25 7703]

2 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Yes it is.  Her campaign isn’t doing private fund raisers.  You are assuming her war chest money is somehow tied to big donor favors and/or not also grassroots money.  That is her money to decide how to use it for her presidential campaign.  She decided to build a grassroots movement with it.  She can do that with her money and still claim she is running a 100% grassroots campaign.  

Also, her Senate campaign was a grassroots based campaign with an average donor size of around $30.

Keep listing to the red roses tho...

They is some seriously twisted up, all around fucked up logic that only you could come up with. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Her Senate campaign was majority small donor funded.  1.2% pac money.  Total corporate shill.

[bad_teammate 13223]

11 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

“Turn in the barrel”? Partial to Roger Stone lingo, I guess?

Missed this earlier...

Are you saying that Roger Stone invented this phrase? Is he a time-traveler, because I remember that from a dirty joke when I was a kid and I've heard it as a common colloquialism forever.

The joke is something along the lines of Guy 1 tells Guy 2 that he's too horny to focus on work, so Guy 2 says, "No problem, just go stick it into that barrel over there and you'll have the time of your life." Guy 1 goes and puts it in the barrel and comes back saying, "That felt great! I'm going to go to that barrel every day!" Guy 2 says, "Every day except Tuesday, because that's your turn in the barrel."

Damn Bernie Bros and their love of... *checks notes*... Roger Stone!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I have to go cut some onions. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Sounds awesome, let’s do it.

 

[406W30th 1111]

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Richest Would Have Lost Half Their Wealth Under Elizabeth Warren’s Tax Plan

Hell yea

[bad_teammate 13223]

Liz sounding strong on single-player in that interview with Barkin. Warms my heart.

I don't really care about the fundraising double-talk if she's going to be a warrior for the #1 solution to the #1 issue and stand up to the big money interests and demand single-payer.

[GSU&UT 1798]

11 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Liz sounding strong on single-player in that interview with Barkin. Warms my heart.

I don't really care about the fundraising double-talk if she's going to be a warrior for the #1 solution to the #1 issue and stand up to the big money interests and demand single-payer.

I will be enthusiastically supporting her if she continues the single-payer talk. Hoping like hell she doesn't pivot if she gets the nominee then backtracks on it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[bad_teammate 13223]

*in best Hugo voice*

I am TIRED of the Warren campaign promoting TOXIC advocates. Voters across the country are plugged into these Twitter personalities and they will base their decisions about whether or not Twitter people are NICE or MEAN.

I am SO UPSET by how MEAN Warren's people are!

a boo hoo hoo

 

Edited September 10, 2019 by bad_teammate

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I had no idea about her anti-Bernie position until you told me.  I kinda like her even more now. 

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https://www.kxan.com/news/political-news/elizabeth-warren-will-host-town-hall-in-austin-sept-10/

jesus christ. 

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AUSTIN (KXAN) — Democratic Presidential Candidate and Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren announced Tuesday that she will host a town hall in Austin on Sept. 10.

MORE: Democrats release climate plans ahead of town hall

The event will be held at 6:15 p.m. at Vic Mathias Shores, located at 900 W. Riverside Drive. While the event is free, reservations are strongly encouraged.

6:15 on auditorium shores? enjoy cooking out there, people. i'll be headed to COTA

[bad_teammate 13223]

33 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I had no idea about her anti-Bernie position until you told me.  I kinda like her even more now. 

Weird it's almost like your never-ending whining about the meanness of Bernie people is completely disingenuous.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Weird how you keep talking about Bernie in the Elizabeth Warren thread.

[bad_teammate 13223]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Weird how you keep talking about Bernie in the Elizabeth Warren thread.

The toxicity of the Warren Bros is going to cost her the election and it's sad to see.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

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[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

"He's not hurting the people he's supposed to be hurting," Dem version.

[bad_teammate 13223]

10 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

You LOVE to see it.

Tweet is right, it's a great campaign ad.

We embrace their hatred

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

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Some Austin pics.  No idea how many.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

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Edited September 11, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Bozo_Casanova 26521]

Big piece in the NYT on Warren's fundraising potential-hypocrisy and what insiders and outsiders think about it.

nobody gives a shit

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

uh oh...