Elizabeth Warren 2020

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Obsessed much 

[mchookem 16765]

yes, he is. in every candidate thread 😐

[bad_teammate 13496]

you are discriminating against me as a Poster-American and I will kindly request that you cease oppressing my people

[Hank Scorpio 17924]

1 hour ago, mchookem said:

yes, he is. in every candidate thread 😐

What do want him to do? Not post? Denying a poster his god given right to post is one of the most oppressive forms of discrimination and basically makes you a Nazi. You should be ashamed. 

[bad_teammate 13496]

first they came for the Posters, and I said nothing, because my postin' rig crashed

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

 

[bad_teammate 13496]

Grandma is not going to let us down

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

New Plan:

CONTINUED:

Funding for public schools is inadequate and inequitable, and our schools are more segregated now than decades ago. We don't treat teachers and staff like professionals, and we're diverting money from public schools. It's time to live up to our promise of a good public education.

I’ll start—as I promised in May—by replacing Betsy DeVos with a Secretary of Education who has been a public school teacher, believes in public education, and will listen to our public school teachers, parents, and students.

Next, I'll make sure that we fund schools adequately and equitably by quadrupling Title I funding—investing an additional $450 billion over the next 10 years—and working with public education leaders and school finance experts to ensure that this money is allocated equitably.

And we'll provide more funding for IDEA grants, repairing and improving school facilities and infrastructure, developing sustainable community schools, and providing grants to public schools for the programs and resources that are most important to their students.

Integrated schools improve educational outcomes for students of all races. And integrated schools are demanded by our Constitution. My administration will fund integration efforts, strengthen Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and robustly enforce it.

My administration will also protect the rights of students with disabilities, LGBTQ+ students, English Language Learners, and immigrant students and their families so that every kid has access to a high-quality public education.

I'll ensure that every student has the opportunity to learn in a welcoming and safe public school. That's why my administration will eliminate high-stakes testing, invest in evidenced-based school safety, and end zero-tolerance discipline policies.

I will also push to cancel all existing student meal debt and increase federal funding to school meal programs so that students everywhere can get free and nutritious school meals.

My administration will work with states to sustainably increase the pay of teachers, paraprofessionals, school staff, and school leaders, and ensure that they have the resources they need. And I'll strengthen their ability to organize and bargain collectively.

We must stop the privatization of public schools. My administration will end federal funding for the expansion of charter schools, ban for-profit charter schools, and ensure existing charter schools are held to the same level of transparency and accountability as public schools.

It's time to live up to the promise of a high-quality public education for every student. My plan makes big, structural changes that would help give every student the resources that they need to thrive.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Fox News cuts another ad for Liz 

 

[406W30th 1111]

I really feel for the .07% of Americans who will be taxed $.02 per dollar while working families go broke trying to replace a set of tires or buy eyeglasses for their 3rd-grader.

[bad_teammate 13496]

25 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

I really feel for the .07% of Americans who will be taxed $.02 per dollar while working families go broke trying to replace a set of tires or buy eyeglasses for their 3rd-grader.

Great, NOW who is going to buy all the private islands grown by hard-working private island farmers in the Midwest???

[Dbeasy 15573]

Her “I’ve got a plan for that” has worked pretty well so far in terms of marketing.

[Biff Tannen 46152]

48 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

I really feel for the .07% of Americans who will be taxed $.02 per dollar after their 10 MILLIONTH DOLLAR while working families go broke trying to replace a set of tires or buy eyeglasses for their 3rd-grader.

fixed

[Incredulity 11874]

 our schools are more segregated now than decades ago

 

what?

[406W30th 1111]

9 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

 our schools are more segregated now than decades ago

 

what?

Schools Are More Segregated Today Than During the Late 1960s

Segregation Worse in Schools 60 Years After Brown v Board of Education

Segregation Worsening in US Schools

 

[Incredulity 11874]

9 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

Schools Are More Segregated Today Than During the Late 1960s

Segregation Worse in Schools 60 Years After Brown v Board of Education

Segregation Worsening in US Schools

 

It’s completely disingenuous to compare current statistical distributions of students to government enforced segregation.

 

Guess what?  First generation Americans are statistically less affluent than other Americans.  Thats not fucking racism.  

 

Keep on keeping on comrade.

[wildcat09 29578]

44 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

It’s completely disingenuous to compare current statistical distributions of students to government enforced segregation.

 

Guess what?  First generation Americans are statistically less affluent than other Americans.  Thats not fucking racism.  

 

Keep on keeping on comrade.

"It's completely disingenuous to compare voting ID requirements to poll taxes."

[Incredulity 11874]

22 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

"It's completely disingenuous to compare voting ID requirements to poll taxes."

I am so sorry your mother was denied an abortion.  Those were barbaric times.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

It’s completely disingenuous to compare current statistical distributions of students to government enforced segregation.

 

Guess what?  First generation Americans are statistically less affluent than other Americans.  Thats not fucking racism.  

 

Keep on keeping on comrade.

I'm confused by your comment. When school boards draw school boundaries after a new school opens, if the Board only examines one parameter when determining attendance zones, it is easy to perpetuate racial and socioeconomic divisions.

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

Didn't hear anything about Nina Turner basically calling Warren gutless on Saturday until seeing this

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Didn't hear anything about Nina Turner basically calling Warren gutless on Saturday until seeing this

 

I didn’t take that as a shot at Warren.  Really more of an indictment of Bernie because he lost.  Good going Bernie, showing real courage in your failure. 

[Incredulity 11874]

23 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

I'm confused by your comment. When school boards draw school boundaries after a new school opens, if the Board only examines one parameter when determining attendance zones, it is easy to perpetuate racial and socioeconomic divisions.

What percentage of students attend “new schools”?

[Js1 87175]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I didn’t take that as a shot at Warren.  Really more of an indictment of Bernie because he lost.  Good going Bernie, showing real courage in your failure. 

What. The. Fuck?

It was def a shot at both Warren and Biden for sitting out 2016. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

What. The. Fuck?

It was def a shot at both Warren and Biden for sitting out 2016. 

Perhaps but I’m not offended.  Bernie’s surrogates credit claiming for his failed campaign is a weird flex considering his chances of success were enhanced without Warren or Biden in the race. 

[TwiceHorn 32073]

27 minutes ago, Js1 said:

What. The. Fuck?

It was def a shot at both Warren and Biden for sitting out 2016. 

Then Hillary was the establishment? Ok. In a roundabout way, she's acknowledging his role in electing Trump.

[Message Board User 12405]

 

[tantric superman 4668]

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Couple of cards, those two.

[tantric superman 4668]

11 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

All in if we get rid of the tuition free/debt forgiveness shit.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

What percentage of students attend “new schools”?

I do not know the answer to that. Do you believe schools today are defacto segregated?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2005 Elizabeth Warren, seven years before she ran for an elected position. 

[bad_teammate 13496]

Lucy is the one who kicked off the Creepy Joe testimonies earlier in the process.

 

[elfenix 34746]

On 10/21/2019 at 10:44 AM, 406W30th said:

I really feel for the .07% of Americans who will be taxed $.02 per dollar after their 50 MILLIONTH DOLLAR while working families go broke trying to replace a set of tires or buy eyeglasses for their 3rd-grader.

 

23 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

fixed

fixed again

big new yorker piece:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-political-scene/the-french-economist-who-helped-invent-elizabeth-warrens-wealth-tax?utm_source=pocket-newtab

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At rallies, she asks the crowd how many people own their own homes, and, once hands are in the air, points out that most Americans already pay a wealth tax on their biggest asset, they just call it a property tax

i've been pointing this out.  "we have a wealth tax, but it's only on one particular kind of wealth, and that's the kind of wealth that middle class households store most of their wealth as, so it's also regressive."

 

 

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The real resonance between Zucman and Saez’s proposals and the Presidential campaign of Elizabeth Warren, the champion of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, may be in their shared optimism about what the modern American administrative state can accomplish. When I asked William Gale, the co-director of the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, what distinguished Saez and Zucman from the center-left policymakers who had preceded them, he mentioned two elements. First, he said, they wanted steeper taxes on the wealthy than even most progressives in Washington—they were left, not center-left. The second difference, Gale said, was more pronounced. “What I would describe as the previous center-left consensus is that we ought to raise taxes on the very rich, but that’s really hard to do,” Gale said. “Saez and Zucman come in and say, ‘In fact, it’s quite possible; it’s just a matter of enforcement and getting the taxes right—pushing on both fronts.’ Their policy optimism is very different from the conversations that people had in the Obama Administration, where it was often about how the wealthy had these tax-avoidance strategies, these armies of lawyers, that the administrative problems were extreme.”

 

Edited October 22, 2019 by elfenix

[TwiceHorn 32073]

19 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

2005 Elizabeth Warren, seven years before she ran for an elected position. 

Yeah, I said somewhere that she learned about capitalism run amok -- hell you don't even have to call it capitalism, just rapacious business -- in connection with "bankruptcy reform."

[bad_teammate 13496]

I trust Liz 10x more than any of the other (non-Bernie) candidates because her desire for a fair economic life for working people is what motivated her into action. She didn't discover a need to involve herself in advancing social justice causes until she realized she needed  a wider voting coalition in this primary (and still hasn't developed any concept of a foreign policy), but her heart is in the right place on economics (the most important, IMO) and her track record there is great.

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

For clarification the video in link below is from August 23rd at a union meeting. Makes it more understandable why she's dodged the middle class tax question...I don't think she knows the answer just yet.  Her plan is supposed to come out in the next few weeks. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

8 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

For clarification the video in link below is from August 23rd at a union meeting. Makes it more understandable why she's dodged the middle class tax question...I don't think she knows the answer just yet.  Her plan is supposed to come out in the next few weeks. 

 

Tommy the troll doing his thing at Mediate.  This dude is digging deep in his oppo file.  He was one of the original propagators of Warren’s pregnancy smear.  This might as well be a Brietbart or Project Veritas piece.  Let’s see if it gets picked up by the MSM because that’s his goal with this shit. 

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tommy the troll doing his thing at Mediate.  This dude is digging deep in his oppo file.  He was one of the original propagators of Warren’s pregnancy smear.  This might as well be a Brietbart or Project Veritas piece.  Let’s see if it gets picked up by the MSM because that’s his goal with this shit. 

Interesting that you focus on the source instead of the actual video. 

Honestly, I don't think it's that bad. I'm sure her eventual plan will line up with what she says in the video. Of course I never believed that she was truly with Bernie on M4A, so there's nothing shocking in what she said. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Interesting that you focus on the source instead of the actual video. 

Honestly, I don't think it's that bad. I'm sure her eventual plan will line up with what she says in the video. Of course I never believed that she was truly with Bernie on M4A, so there's nothing shocking in what she said. 

 

I read the content and it doesn’t line up with Tommy’s clickbait headline.  He’s a grifter troll that pushes disinformation on the left, he has a history of this now.  

Read the comments here:

 

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

Hugo, I don't need to be told by other people what to believe about a video that I've watched. I can come to my own conclusions. Can you? 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

You are a fucking moron if you come away from that video thinking Warren is backing away from Medicare for All. 

[bad_teammate 13496]

Just watched that and...

She specifically talks about cutting private insurance profits out of the system. That's single-payer.

We don't even know what the question was.

What's the problem here?

[bad_teammate 13496]

Warren: "Medicare for All is the best and we are going to cut out the greed of private insurance companies!"

Concern Trolls: "Hmmm this is mystery speak what could it mean!?"

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

You are a fucking moron if you come away from that video thinking Warren is backing away from Medicare for All. 

Well, it's how we define "Medicare For All". Is she proposing Bernie's plan? Doesn't sound like it. 

She will release Elizabeth Warren's version of Medicare For All. Looking forward to the details. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

Well, it's how we define "Medicare For All". Is she proposing Bernie's plan? Doesn't sound like it. 

She will release Elizabeth Warren's version of Medicare For All. Looking forward to the details. 

 

She frames the whole discussion around what most effectively lowers healthcare costs and the answer is MFA (or a single payer system.) That is all that matters at the end of the day.  It doesn’t make a shit of difference if it’s Bernie’s plan or even if it’s called Medicare-for-all.  She goes out of her way at the end to say we need to get people in the system as fast as possible which suggests it could be more aggressive than Bernie’s plan. 

[bad_teammate 13496]

4 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Well, it's how we define "Medicare For All". Is she proposing Bernie's plan? Doesn't sound like it.

She mentioned the cost analysis of Medicare for All being cheaper than the alternatives and that was an analysis of Bernie's plan.

5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

She will release Elizabeth Warren's version of Medicare For All. Looking forward to the details.

If so, hopefully it's better than Bernie's.

Jayapal released a version of M4A in the House that was slightly better than Bernie's (basically more aggressive in the phase-in).

[bad_teammate 13496]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She goes out of her way at the end to say we need to get people in the system as fast as possible which suggests it could be more aggressive than Bernie’s plan. 

Which would be awesome. Hit Bernie from the left and I'll holler at the ancient prick to step up his game or lose my support.

These hoes ain't loyal, and I'm one of 'em.

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

She frames the whole discussion around what most effectively lowers healthcare costs and the answer is MFA (or a single payer system.) That is all that matters at the end of the day.  It doesn’t make a shit of difference if it’s Bernie’s plan or even if it’s called Medicare-for-all.  She goes out of her way at the end to say we need to get people in the system as fast as possible which suggests it could be more aggressive than Bernie’s plan. 

 

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

She mentioned the cost analysis of Medicare for All being cheaper than the alternatives and that was an analysis of Bernie's plan.

If so, hopefully it's better than Bernie's.

Jayapal released a version of M4A in the House that was slightly better than Bernie's (basically more aggressive in the phase-in).

I don't disagree with either of you.  She might very well put out the absolute best healthcare plan in the end. Just looking forward to her releasing the details. 

 

[Hank Kingsley 21756]

Sheryl Sandberg, the COO of Facebook, maxed out a donation to Warren last year. I don’t give a shit, but just a heads up for the purity testers.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Sheryl Sandberg, the COO of Facebook, maxed out a donation to Warren last year. I don’t give a shit, but just a heads up for the purity testers.

 

She probably maxed out to all the contenders including Trump.  We’re talking about $2700 here from a woman that’s worth $1.8 billion.