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The whole thing is just nuts.  Iran is the last country that wants a shooting war with the US.  Israel would be more subtle.
This feels like the Saudis - it's about as clumsy as kidnapping a journalist, cutting him up in an embassy, and sending the remains out in diplomatic pouches.

Like that would ever happen.
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1 hour ago, Victorious1 said:

Latest news has them being placed on the ships with drones.  Crews claimed to have seen "flying objects" just before explosions.

That sounds even more ginned up.   My brother-in-law has a couple of drones that he uses for photography/surveying stuff - they use a fancy camera (fancy being a DSLR), and it takes something like a 25 pound drone to carry a 4 or 5 pound DSLR.  And they are still pretty tight on the range.

I would imagine a drone capable of carrying a limpet mine would be Pretty Fucking Big.

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31 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Yutaka Katada, chief executive of the Japanese company operating the ship called Kokuka Courageous, one of two vessels attacked near the Strait of Hormuzon Thursday, said the damage could not have been caused by mines or torpedos that are shot underwater, since the damage was reportedly above the ship’s waterline. 

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eye witness account: 'flying objects"

us: no, no, it was mines.  we have convenient footage of idiot iranians returning to the scene of the crime to remove an unexploded mine.  because iranians are that stupid.

 

who should we believe??????

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Y’know, the rooskies are as desperate for more oil revenue to finance their military-industrial complex as the Saudis are to prop up their corrupt national welfare scheme for their citizen masses & their own personal opulent lifestyle.

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If this is some sort of a false flag it isn't intended to start a shooting war....it's intent is to further isolate Iran form the rest of humanity.

And yes.....if it is it's pretty clumsy

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2 hours ago, gecko said:

If this is some sort of a false flag it isn't intended to start a shooting war....it's intent is to further isolate Iran form the rest of humanity.

And yes.....if it is it's pretty clumsy

So you're saying it was definitely the CIA?

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We have never used a false flag of attack to engage in a war. Well, except the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam but most Americans who remember that are dead. So carry on Mr. Bolton!

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5 minutes ago, SDG said:

Even though I agree with alot of whats been said it’s probably time to move this thread to CR.  

Possibly but that’s like having a conversation in the Living Room and suggesting everyone go sit in the septic tank.

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2 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Possibly but that’s like having a conversation in the Living Room and suggesting everyone go sit in the septic tank.

Its only the living room because we have a septic tank to the keep shit contained.  

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Can someone please explain to me when it is ok to believe the US intelligence community? It seems that it depends on what narrative you want to support.

 

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33 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I trust the Japanese.  They wake up early, they have some real pearls of wisdom when it comes to this stuff, and they are midway to figuring this all out.  

We all know what happened at Midway.

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10 hours ago, Newdoc said:

We have never used a false flag of attack to engage in a war. Well, except the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam but most Americans who remember that are dead. So carry on Mr. Bolton!

Don't forget war against Iraq

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14 hours ago, Newdoc said:

We have never used a false flag of attack to engage in a war. Well, except the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam but most Americans who remember that are dead. So carry on Mr. Bolton!

some of us are still around, including a friend of mine who was on the Turner Joy.

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We have never used a false flag of attack to engage in a war. Well, except the Gulf of Tonkin and Vietnam but most Americans who remember that are dead. So carry on Mr. Bolton!

Armybrat remembers the Maine...
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59 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Putting aside that it’s the US reporting this, why do this:

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He said that the placement of the mines above the Japanese tanker’s water line, however, suggested that the intention was not to sink the vessel.

That part of the world, with those actors, there’s not a whole lot of difference between punching somebody in the face and giving them a black eye, and punching somebody in the face, knocking out teeth, breaking their nose and giving them a concussion.   It’s n act of war.  

Oh, and as the article mentions, or one of the others, Iran has sold/exported these for a while.  

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We assume that the leaders in Tehran have control over more radical elements.  It's entirely possible the left hand didn't approve of what the right hand was up to....

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From AP

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — The Latest on developments related to tensions between the U.S and Iran (all times local):

11:05 p.m.

The operator of oil tanker Stena Impero says it is unable to contact the ship after it was approached by unidentified vessels and a helicopter in the Strait of Hormuz.

Northern Marine Management and shipping firm Stena Bulk say in a statement that the vessel was in international waters and is now heading toward Iran. The ship has 23 crew aboard.

The British government says it is urgently seeking information after reports Iran has seized the British-flagged ship.

 

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